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Faces in the Flames (The Chase, Season 2) Fanfic.

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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    i did not even think a post could be as long as the one i just saw :confused:
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    i did not even think a post could be as long as the one i just saw :confused:
    And yet, somehow, it still wasn't long enough. :)
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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    And yet, somehow, it still wasn't long enough. :)

    Don't worry. We'll get 4.4 out pretty soon. We'd actually thought we finished that before we had all the parts of 4.3 complete, but then we felt compelled to go back and add a bit more to 4.4. Look for that to drop tonight.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Best section yet :cool: Loved Cardassian 'Ahmed' :D
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Haha, I was wondering if anybody would catch that!!! He is now a dead terrorist.

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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    gulberat wrote: »
    Haha, I was wondering if anybody would catch that!!! He is now a dead terrorist.

    I'm not much of a fan of Jeff Dunham's stuff, but I do like Ahmed :D His other material is a bit 'samey' for me...
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Same here, pretty much.

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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    gulberat wrote: »
    Same here, pretty much.

    At first, Ahmed was fantastic, but I think that was his share of the creative spark used up, and everything since then has just seemed like a poor copy... I doubt Locan had any copies of Romulan Babes either ;)
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    No, he strikes me as much more refined--if it's rare, has literary value, or is foreign (and you can see why the True Way hates that) and is a bound book as opposed to an ebook or holonovel, he wants it. This is a very cultured individual, and I suspect he welcomes customers of all races (not just out of politeness and interest but because they can get him more rare stuff). I was also kind of inspired by the scene from Beauty and the Beast where Gaston tries to read Belle's book and complains that it doesn't have any pictures.

    I got the distinct feeling that what made him stand up to the True Way despite being utterly unprepared for it was that they were threatening his home AND his BOOKS. And that the latter part was even worse.

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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The music sounded pleasant enough, at first. Synthesized piano and strings, with some soft spoken-word in English. But then track two opened up with a cacophony of duelling electric guitars, savage drumbeats and a pounding bass line.
    When I read this, I began to wonder if Avenged Sevenfold's recordings had somehow survived World War III and the subsequent four hundred years... :)
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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    When I read this, I began to wonder if Avenged Sevenfold's recordings had somehow survived World War III and the subsequent four hundred years... :)

    Coheed & Cambria, actually. :cool:
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    gulberat wrote: »
    No, he strikes me as much more refined--if it's rare, has literary value, or is foreign (and you can see why the True Way hates that) and is a bound book as opposed to an ebook or holonovel, he wants it. This is a very cultured individual, and I suspect he welcomes customers of all races (not just out of politeness and interest but because they can get him more rare stuff). I was also kind of inspired by the scene from Beauty and the Beast where Gaston tries to read Belle's book and complains that it doesn't have any pictures.

    I got the distinct feeling that what made him stand up to the True Way despite being utterly unprepared for it was that they were threatening his home AND his BOOKS. And that the latter part was even worse.

    Absolutely, I suspect he has some very interesting volumes from various worlds among his stock :cool:

    Something which this chapter also made me think of, is the fabled Cardassian memory. Given Lisa's selective amnesia, I am leaning towards the theory that their eidetic memories are the result of their mental training, rather than a biological inability to forget, such as with Alyosha...
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Alyosha does not have perfect recall...the difference is that his infant memories are not destroyed by childhood amnesia as a human's are.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood_amnesia

    One possible explanation is that my Devidians hatch with their equivalent of the limbic system much more developed than a human infant is born. The "recapitulation" is then their coming to grips with those early memories and categorizing them into the rational and emotional systems that develop as they get older.


    As far as Cardassians go, at least personally I've always suspected it to be a combination of both--but I do think intensive training is a part of it and that the untrained Cardassian memory, while very good by our standards, is not fully eidetic.

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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    gulberat wrote: »
    Alyosha does not have perfect recall...the difference is that his infant memories are not destroyed by childhood amnesia as a human's are.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood_amnesia

    One possible explanation is that my Devidians hatch with their equivalent of the limbic system much more developed than a human infant is born. The "recapitulation" is then their coming to grips with those early memories and categorizing them into the rational and emotional systems that develop as they get older.


    As far as Cardassians go, at least personally I've always suspected it to be a combination of both--but I do think intensive training is a part of it and that the untrained Cardassian memory, while very good by our standards, is not fully eidetic.

    Ahh, I see the difference... It had occurred to me a while ago that having been raised as if she was Human, Meliden would not have gone through the Cardassian education system, so never developed the eidetic memory. It was Lisa's amnesia which brought it to mind that the biology of the Cardassian memory can be flawed, so reinforced my thought that the mental training was the key :)
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Lisa's selective amnesia seems to be more psychological than neurological, though, related to her PTSD rather than to any organic damage. Something about the guitar reminds her of something so horrible her conscious mind refuses to process it, so rather than deal with whatever is buried there it just refuses to recall how to play. (That actually argues for Cardassian eidetic memory being largely due to neurology - a Human could admit to having forgotten something not practiced for years without feeling terrified at the ability to forget it. Lisa's acting as if this is the first time she's ever realized she's forgotten anything.)
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    Lisa's selective amnesia seems to be more psychological than neurological, though, related to her PTSD rather than to any organic damage. Something about the guitar reminds her of something so horrible her conscious mind refuses to process it, so rather than deal with whatever is buried there it just refuses to recall how to play. (That actually argues for Cardassian eidetic memory being largely due to neurology - a Human could admit to having forgotten something not practiced for years without feeling terrified at the ability to forget it. Lisa's acting as if this is the first time she's ever realized she's forgotten anything.)

    I agree, absolutely psychological rather than neurological, but, if a species had a biological eidetic memory, I don't think it would be able to compartmentalise itself in such a way (for example, Gul Veska is still clearly haunted by her ordeal, rather than the memory 'erasing itself') The Vulcan neurology, on the other hand, was described by the EMH as being able to compartmentalise to such an extent that it can literally self-lobotomise rather than deal with traumatic memories,
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    A fun episode :cool: Pistol-whipping someone in the bathroom is cold :D Really enjoyed Glinn Tosska, I want to see more of her for sure :cool:
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    A fun episode :cool: Pistol-whipping someone in the bathroom is cold :D

    While people like to say stuff like that is fighting dirty, Cardassians are pragmatic, and I tend to think that if the opportunity presents itself, stuff like that, or shooting in the back, is not considered dishonorable. Even with Sa'kat being an Oralian, I suspect his morality would not consider this action and torture to be in the same category (with the latter being reprehensible, the first being pragmatic).

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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    gulberat wrote: »
    While people like to say stuff like that is fighting dirty, Cardassians are pragmatic, and I tend to think that if the opportunity presents itself, stuff like that, or shooting in the back, is not considered dishonorable. Even with Sa'kat being an Oralian, I suspect his morality would not consider this action and torture to be in the same category (with the latter being reprehensible, the first being pragmatic).

    I wouldn't exactly call it fighting dirty, but certainly a more -- aggressive -- move than simply putting a choke hold (or Cardassian equivalent :D ) on the person... I didn't disapprove, I was just surprised to see it :cool:
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Well...putting a choke hold on a Cardassian would be a much more challenging thing to do to a conscious person than it would be with a human. That's why I didn't have Sa'kat snap the guy's neck until he was already down: it probably takes a longer application of force than it would with a human--enough so that attempting it could be risky while the subject is conscious.

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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    gulberat wrote: »
    Well...putting a choke hold on a Cardassian would be a much more challenging thing to do to a conscious person than it would be with a human. That's why I didn't have Sa'kat snap the guy's neck until he was already down: it probably takes a longer application of force than it would with a human--enough so that attempting it could be risky while the subject is conscious.

    :D Just a bit :D

    Wouldn't've worked in that scenario, as has to be a frontal attack, but Meliden told me a while back that smacking a Cardassian in the chufa is the quickest way to put them down (and throw their endocrine system out of whack for a while once they come round ;) )
  • ambassadormolariambassadormolari Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Really like the way this is progressing so far. I really like Frek (and Rin for that matter...why is it, do you think, that so many of us have tough-as-nails Ferengi Tactical officers on our bridge crews?), and the scene with the many Sa'kats was awesome. I don't know why, but for some reason I envision Sa'kat as the Cardassian version of the stiff-backed, monacle-wearing archetypal British officer.

    I should add, even if it is a little late to add it, that the whole bit with R'Garno was interesting. Throughout the entire "Cult of the Good Masters" arc, I don't think we've ever before seen a Cultist who is NOT a mindless fanatic. I'm very interested to see what is done with her.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I'm going to enjoy seeing Schrodi's TRIBBLE nailed to the wall then cashiered out of the fleet :cool: If Jesu doesn't do it, ch'Harrell will :cool: She's getting too much of a liability to remain in command, and her crew can see it. Might even be cool to see a 'mutiny' of sorts to remove her from command :cool:
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