The Mobius without the full temporial set is awesome. As I posted above 4 SCI consoles and 4 Tac consoles. Think about it? what other ship has that? and can load cannons? With Romulan Plasma weps with thier Disruptor Proc or Advanced Fleet Plasma Weps and 6 to 9skill points in Particle Gen and 4 Particle Gen consoles your DOT is going to be insane plus %36 damage boost from XII Embassy consoles on top of the boost from 4 Tac consoles. If your a Romulan forget it you can add even more Plasma damage boost with thier Boffs that boost plasma damage as well. The only other energy type that can be boosted beyond what can be gained from Tac consoles is Polaron. It can be boosted I think %13 from the XII Jem'Haddar space set. The Destroyers Console layout gives it an advantage over every other ship when is comes to damage output. Granted it's only plasma but hey it's making a comeback.
Rom/rem boffs boost all damage. Not just plasma.
That 36% boost is off base damage, so thats 10% increase to plasmas
Nukara weapon set gives 8% to tetryon
Plasma quad cannon set give a 8% to plasma
Jem hadar set gives 8% to polaron
Rom console set gives 8% to plasma again.
Plasma still does the most raw damage. But it isn't leaps and bounds beyond other types
My main flies a Mobius as its primary ship and I only recommnd getting the console from the lobi set, the torp and DBB are garbage, the set bonuses are useless (chroniton bonus damage) or borderline useless (5 min CD on the 3 piece power, NOT WORTH IT in a practical sense outside some PvP matches where folks stack it).
Incorrect -- Temporal Inversion only has a 3 minute CD, or 2 min 51 sec if you run 2 MACO pieces. You are probably confusing Temporal Inversion's CD with Temporal Backstep's since the latter has a 5 minute cooldown.
The full Temporal Set's effects are quite devastatiing, especially the +150% power recharge rate and -200% enemy movement slow. Complete description here: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Temporal_Warfare_Set
The Chroniton DBB is the only energy weapon currently in the game that has a slow proc, and +40 crit severity hits pretty hard even without Beam Overload.
The Temporal Disruption Device is decent, but when used with TS3 vs. a crowd, it's pretty spectacular to see 4x 50k-150k damage torps detonate simultaneously.
Temporal Backstep from the Tipler Cylinder is also pretty nice. Besides being an "Oh 5h!t" button to get your ship out of trouble, it also resets all BOFF skills. All for 1 console slot at 5 min CD, it's pretty difficult not to equip it. Unfortunately it only comes on the Wells and Rozhenko Timeships.
Of all the lock box ships I own (Galor, JHAS, S'Golth, TSAD, Wells, etc....), the Mobius is the most consistent at taking 1st in competition PVE maps. It does take a lot of resources to properly build it up (including 3 AP Conn Doff's, Marion Frances Dulmur, Bioneural Console, etc), but when complete, it's easily one of the most powerful ships in the game.
Actually Roms get a damage boost to plasma for _ground_ weapons. So, if your ship shrunk, as in "One Little Ship," then if your Romula Boff equipped it, he'd do more damage if it was firing plasma weapons.
Incorrect -- Temporal Inversion only has a 3 minute CD, or 2 min 51 sec if you run 2 MACO pieces. You are probably confusing Temporal Inversion's CD with Temporal Backstep's since the latter has a 5 minute cooldown.
The full Temporal Set's effects are quite devastatiing, especially the +150% power recharge rate and -200% enemy movement slow. Complete description here: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Temporal_Warfare_Set
The Chroniton DBB is the only energy weapon currently in the game that has a slow proc, and +40 crit severity hits pretty hard even without Beam Overload.
The Temporal Disruption Device is decent, but when used with TS3 vs. a crowd, it's pretty spectacular to see 4x 50k-150k damage torps detonate simultaneously.
Temporal Backstep from the Tipler Cylinder is also pretty nice. Besides being an "Oh 5h!t" button to get your ship out of trouble, it also resets all BOFF skills. All for 1 console slot at 5 min CD, it's pretty difficult not to equip it. Unfortunately it only comes on the Wells and Rozhenko Timeships.
Of all the lock box ships I own (Galor, JHAS, S'Golth, TSAD, Wells, etc....), the Mobius is the most consistent at taking 1st in competition PVE maps. It does take a lot of resources to properly build it up (including 3 AP Conn Doff's, Marion Frances Dulmur, Bioneural Console, etc), but when complete, it's easily one of the most powerful ships in the game.
Guess they have never gone up against a 5 man pre-made all using TIF cheese where the otherteam is basically shut down.
Temporal Backstep from the Tipler Cylinder is also pretty nice. Besides being an "Oh 5h!t" button to get your ship out of trouble, it also resets all BOFF skills.
-5 seconds to the current recharge time of abilities
Could you confirm which is accurate, please? Also, I assume neither it or TIF affects the cooldown of non-Boff abilities (such as abilities from universal consoles), or?
Could you confirm which is accurate, please? Also, I assume neither it or TIF affects the cooldown of non-Boff abilities (such as abilities from universal consoles), or?
It's probably -5 on all cooldowns, but I can't confirm until I get home. However, I do notice that -5 seconds recharge does affect every ability, even TIF's CD, much like MACO's 2-set magneto-plasma relays.
I seek enlightenment on the repulsion of such websites. How do they work differently from selling the ship on the exchange? Why does it risk having the account banned?
The last time Cryptic/PWE ran an 'ultimate game time card' promo, the 3rd website listed in their 'certified digital retailers' website : was one that sold STO 'gold' and had lockbox ships on its marketplace :P
So yeah, technically not something you should be talking about : but PWE are happy to take money from their zen cross promotions ;/
i think the adapted desroyer should be up there with the most valuable lockbox ships atleast for KDF and FED characters. And here is why:
a) has cloak which is a tremendous thing for FED players.
b) has sensor analasys
as i understand it, you can lock onto a target while cloaked, gathering stacks...then decloak and practically enjoy shooting the target.
the warpcore it comes with is usefull if you have no access to a t3 fleet mine...
so that ship is as much science vessel as you can go without actually using a sci vessel.
i think the adapted desroyer should be up there with the most valuable lockbox ships atleast for KDF and FED characters. And here is why:
a) has cloak which is a tremendous thing for FED players.
b) has sensor analasys
as i understand it, you can lock onto a target while cloaked, gathering stacks...then decloak and practically enjoy shooting the target.
the warpcore it comes with is usefull if you have no access to a t3 fleet mine...
so that ship is as much science vessel as you can go without actually using a sci vessel.
I have a TSAD, and I don't think it applied any sensor analysis debuff until in actual combat with the target.
The Shrapnel Torpedo should have been a magazine-based torpedo launcher instead of a 3-minute CD console. It's pretty laughable in its current form, much like the Gal-X phaser lance.
A somewhat overlooked ship I think is the Orb Weaver. I run one with 2P Temporal Warfare (Chroniton beam/tachyokinetic) and AP weapons. It's solid, and the web is very useful, it even works on the CE which somewhat surprises me.
As far as the Elachi S'golth I also recommend it. I have 2. Mt main's is outfitted with the full Silent Enemy set (Gods the grinding needed to get that), and Elachi DHC's forward. Cutting beam, Nanite Disruptor turret and tricobalt mines aft. My alt's S'Golth is all Refracting Tetryon DBB's forward, Phased tet turret/cutting beam/web mines aft. Can put out 7k-9k dps.
Only downside is that no consoles seem to boost the web mines. In any case The S'golth and Orb Weaver are decent ships. Have to take my Orb Weaver to the Dyson. It must be Woven :eek:
A somewhat overlooked ship I think is the Orb Weaver. I run one with 2P Temporal Warfare (Chroniton beam/tachyokinetic) and AP weapons. It's solid, and the web is very useful, it even works on the CE which somewhat surprises me.
As far as the Elachi S'golth I also recommend it. I have 2. Mt main's is outfitted with the full Silent Enemy set (Gods the grinding needed to get that), and Elachi DHC's forward. Cutting beam, Nanite Disruptor turret and tricobalt mines aft. My alt's S'Golth is all Refracting Tetryon DBB's forward, Phased tet turret/cutting beam/web mines aft. Can put out 7k-9k dps.
Only downside is that no consoles seem to boost the web mines. In any case The S'golth and Orb Weaver are decent ships. Have to take my Orb Weaver to the Dyson. It must be Woven :eek:
The Web works best on CE right before it unleashes the blast. Then the collapse would destroy nearby shards as well, pretty cool.
Though I have brief flings with other ships I always end up back on my Mobius. It's an Escort/Destroyer with a crazy amount of flexibility thanks to its universal LtC Boff station. Plus, the Temporal Warfare set is lovely. You have rainbow beams, a torpedo that turns into a black hole and looks like a miniature sun when you fire a High-Yield version, and a 3-piece power that turns YOU into a miniature sun. Except instead of heat and light you give off TIME POWER.
You can't say that for similar ships like the Kumari or even the dreaded Bug.
At this point I imagine that my Mobius will be the only ship I actually spring for fleet-class weapons and doffs on. It'll be cheaper, too, since with the full Temporal set and a Kinetic Cutting beam I only need to pay for four fleet weapons (and whatever consoles I like).
I have a TSAD, and I don't think it applied any sensor analysis debuff until in actual combat with the target.
The Shrapnel Torpedo should have been a magazine-based torpedo launcher instead of a 3-minute CD console. It's pretty laughable in its current form, much like the Gal-X phaser lance.
just tested it, to be absolutely sure...and yes you can apply sensor analasys when cloaked.
yeah, the console is semi usefull, and not even that...but who cares. i have enough options for my console slots that are way better anyway.
Well the thing is I'm using a fleet avenger at thr moment and I usually do alot of dmg with it(using DHCs/turrets) but at the same time I can tank alot.
So now I'm kind of looking for "a next ship" to buy and what I'm looking for is a ship capable of doing lots of damage(escorts mainly) but at the same time to be able to take a beating. So pretty much a ship doing more DPS than the fleet avenger but then tank a bi less than the avenger.
So that's why I'm asking if there is any good lock box ship or lobi store ship capable of doing this well for the EC price range of around 50-80m(which are most of the ships anyway, recluse carrier, jem hadar dreadnought, tal shiar adapted destroyer, tal shiar adapted battle cruiser, temporal destroyer, elachi S'golth escort, the monbosh battleship and so on) or would the fleet ships do the job better? perhaps the fleet escorts?
Well the thing is I'm using a fleet avenger at thr moment and I usually do alot of dmg with it(using DHCs/turrets) but at the same time I can tank alot.
So now I'm kind of looking for "a next ship" to buy and what I'm looking for is a ship capable of doing lots of damage(escorts mainly) but at the same time to be able to take a beating. So pretty much a ship doing more DPS than the fleet avenger but then tank a bi less than the avenger.
So that's why I'm asking if there is any good lock box ship or lobi store ship capable of doing this well for the EC price range of around 50-80m(which are most of the ships anyway, recluse carrier, jem hadar dreadnought, tal shiar adapted destroyer, tal shiar adapted battle cruiser, temporal destroyer, elachi S'golth escort, the monbosh battleship and so on) or would the fleet ships do the job better? perhaps the fleet escorts?
What you wanna do is level a rom and get a scimitar dreadnaught.
The Chroniton DBB is the only energy weapon currently in the game that has a slow proc, and +40 crit severity hits pretty hard even without Beam Overload.
The Temporal Disruption Device is decent, but when used with TS3 vs. a crowd, it's pretty spectacular to see 4x 50k-150k damage torps detonate simultaneously.
I have been running this set since the day it came out, and I must say it's good, but kinda "Meh". The chroniton beam almost never procs and the TDD torps have such a whacked out damage variance they almost NEVER hit even close to the amounts you are reporting here.
DPS? You mean that thing I OWN?
- Yes, I am a Plasma boat.
2xTac team
2xEmergency power to shield
2xReverse shield polarity
Secondary shield console
Quantum Absorption (Singularity power)
Resilient shield (MACO, though that was a toss-up to fleet...)
Tank? Yeah... I can do that ok too.
Turns at base 9 with the 3 console pack (if you can fit it)
just tested it, to be absolutely sure...and yes you can apply sensor analasys when cloaked.
yeah, the console is semi usefull, and not even that...but who cares. i have enough options for my console slots that are way better anyway.
This is good news
My TSAD is currently moth-balled due to the shrapnel torpedo's shortcomings, but I think I will re-arm with with Elachi weapons and Spiral Wave arrays to give it new life.
My TSAD is currently moth-balled due to the shrapnel torpedo's shortcomings, but I think I will re-arm with with Elachi weapons and Spiral Wave arrays to give it new life.
I have been running this set since the day it came out, and I must say it's good, but kinda "Meh". The chroniton beam almost never procs and the TDD torps have such a whacked out damage variance they almost NEVER hit even close to the amounts you are reporting here.
My Mobius build is heavily optimized for competition PVE maps (SB24, GMF, KSF, etc), and my tac captain has all maxed critical combat stats. I believe base crit chance = +12.9% with 2 SO-Romulan BOFF's, and +92% base critical severity.
i got my tal shiar adapted destroyer twice out of the lock box (only 2 ships i ever got in about 350 lockboxes)
so i thought: "the universe is trying to tell me to use this ship" so i sold both for 105 million and rebought one for 80 a few weeks later, and use it on my gorn engi since then.
And the universe was right...console was TRIBBLE, ditched it after 1 day of parsing data. stuck with the core until i got elite fleet core.
as i said earlier: it is all i want in an escort/destroyer + it has everything good from a sci vessel
and the cherry ontop is the cloak...amazing ship, same goes for the cruiser i'd asume.
on second thought, it might have been a better choice for a fed char of mine since those ships have practically no cloaks, but what ever.
the fact that this ship comes with sensor analasys and a cloak should put this ship (and the cruiser variant) ontop of every list of ships in the sci heavy department.
Yes, the TS Adapted Destroyer is a decent purchase, especially since it comes with 2 pieces of the Tal'Shiar adapted space set right out of the box for the passive hull regen. Its other features are icing on the cake.
I own the D'Kora on my Engineer, two JHAS on my TACS, A Recluse on a sci, and the Temporal Destroyer/ Science ship and they are all pretty damn awesome.
The only one I really regretted was the Jem'hadar Dreadnaught Carrier. It's been the only ship I completely failed in.
My most comfortable ship - The D'Kora without a doubt.
My most fun this - JHAS.
My best cc/ support - Temporal Sci.
My best defense - Recluse.
I gave a mate a Galor so never got to fly that beauty, but who knows perhaps one day.
I very much enjoy my Jem'hadar Dreadnought and Heavy Escort Carrier.
I can get my JHDC to equal a "Low end" Scimitar in an STF. I just wish Cryptic hadn't attached the attack ship pets to the actual Jem'hadar Attack Ship. I have no interest in actually flying one and I'm sure not buying one just to put some frigates on my ship.
The JHEC is more for PvP use (lol). In my opinion, it's the best "flight-deck-escort" in game. If you're in the ques and you see a JHEC with double fore torps, that's probably me. :cool:
Either way, I like their looks and their boff layouts. Alas, they are out of your price range.
A JHDC is 76m on exchange, and my budget is around 80m. I think I can afford that :P
And I've been leaning towards either getting the Wells or the Jem hadar dreadnought... or just a fleet advanced escort, can't make up my mind :x
The Fleet Advanced Escort is one of my all-time favorites. It has a number of features that make it worth while
-optional MVAM console for pet ships and more mobility
-5 tactical console slots for good weapon damage boost
-3 tac BOFF slots for Romulan superior operatives to crank up critical hit chance and severity
-lt.cmdr sci station for gravity wells and other T3 sci CC's or heals
I only picked up the Wells for the Tipler Cylinder. Otherwise it's been sitting in mothballs...
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Rom/rem boffs boost all damage. Not just plasma.
That 36% boost is off base damage, so thats 10% increase to plasmas
Nukara weapon set gives 8% to tetryon
Plasma quad cannon set give a 8% to plasma
Jem hadar set gives 8% to polaron
Rom console set gives 8% to plasma again.
Plasma still does the most raw damage. But it isn't leaps and bounds beyond other types
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
Incorrect -- Temporal Inversion only has a 3 minute CD, or 2 min 51 sec if you run 2 MACO pieces. You are probably confusing Temporal Inversion's CD with Temporal Backstep's since the latter has a 5 minute cooldown.
The full Temporal Set's effects are quite devastatiing, especially the +150% power recharge rate and -200% enemy movement slow. Complete description here:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Temporal_Warfare_Set
The Chroniton DBB is the only energy weapon currently in the game that has a slow proc, and +40 crit severity hits pretty hard even without Beam Overload.
The Temporal Disruption Device is decent, but when used with TS3 vs. a crowd, it's pretty spectacular to see 4x 50k-150k damage torps detonate simultaneously.
Temporal Backstep from the Tipler Cylinder is also pretty nice. Besides being an "Oh 5h!t" button to get your ship out of trouble, it also resets all BOFF skills. All for 1 console slot at 5 min CD, it's pretty difficult not to equip it. Unfortunately it only comes on the Wells and Rozhenko Timeships.
Of all the lock box ships I own (Galor, JHAS, S'Golth, TSAD, Wells, etc....), the Mobius is the most consistent at taking 1st in competition PVE maps. It does take a lot of resources to properly build it up (including 3 AP Conn Doff's, Marion Frances Dulmur, Bioneural Console, etc), but when complete, it's easily one of the most powerful ships in the game.
Actually Roms get a damage boost to plasma for _ground_ weapons. So, if your ship shrunk, as in "One Little Ship," then if your Romula Boff equipped it, he'd do more damage if it was firing plasma weapons.
Guess they have never gone up against a 5 man pre-made all using TIF cheese where the otherteam is basically shut down.
How much of a reduction would a 1 min cd get?
30 secs? 15?
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
According to http://sto.gamepedia.com/Temporal_Set
Could you confirm which is accurate, please? Also, I assume neither it or TIF affects the cooldown of non-Boff abilities (such as abilities from universal consoles), or?
It's probably -5 on all cooldowns, but I can't confirm until I get home. However, I do notice that -5 seconds recharge does affect every ability, even TIF's CD, much like MACO's 2-set magneto-plasma relays.
The last time Cryptic/PWE ran an 'ultimate game time card' promo, the 3rd website listed in their 'certified digital retailers' website : was one that sold STO 'gold' and had lockbox ships on its marketplace :P
So yeah, technically not something you should be talking about : but PWE are happy to take money from their zen cross promotions ;/
a) has cloak which is a tremendous thing for FED players.
b) has sensor analasys
as i understand it, you can lock onto a target while cloaked, gathering stacks...then decloak and practically enjoy shooting the target.
the warpcore it comes with is usefull if you have no access to a t3 fleet mine...
so that ship is as much science vessel as you can go without actually using a sci vessel.
I have a TSAD, and I don't think it applied any sensor analysis debuff until in actual combat with the target.
The Shrapnel Torpedo should have been a magazine-based torpedo launcher instead of a 3-minute CD console. It's pretty laughable in its current form, much like the Gal-X phaser lance.
As far as the Elachi S'golth I also recommend it. I have 2. Mt main's is outfitted with the full Silent Enemy set (Gods the grinding needed to get that), and Elachi DHC's forward. Cutting beam, Nanite Disruptor turret and tricobalt mines aft. My alt's S'Golth is all Refracting Tetryon DBB's forward, Phased tet turret/cutting beam/web mines aft. Can put out 7k-9k dps.
Only downside is that no consoles seem to boost the web mines. In any case The S'golth and Orb Weaver are decent ships. Have to take my Orb Weaver to the Dyson. It must be Woven :eek:
The OP asked whats a good box ship in the 80 million EC range...yet people are suggesting ships that are in the 100 mill + range...that's what.
The Web works best on CE right before it unleashes the blast. Then the collapse would destroy nearby shards as well, pretty cool.
You can't say that for similar ships like the Kumari or even the dreaded Bug.
At this point I imagine that my Mobius will be the only ship I actually spring for fleet-class weapons and doffs on. It'll be cheaper, too, since with the full Temporal set and a Kinetic Cutting beam I only need to pay for four fleet weapons (and whatever consoles I like).
just tested it, to be absolutely sure...and yes you can apply sensor analasys when cloaked.
yeah, the console is semi usefull, and not even that...but who cares. i have enough options for my console slots that are way better anyway.
So now I'm kind of looking for "a next ship" to buy and what I'm looking for is a ship capable of doing lots of damage(escorts mainly) but at the same time to be able to take a beating. So pretty much a ship doing more DPS than the fleet avenger but then tank a bi less than the avenger.
So that's why I'm asking if there is any good lock box ship or lobi store ship capable of doing this well for the EC price range of around 50-80m(which are most of the ships anyway, recluse carrier, jem hadar dreadnought, tal shiar adapted destroyer, tal shiar adapted battle cruiser, temporal destroyer, elachi S'golth escort, the monbosh battleship and so on) or would the fleet ships do the job better? perhaps the fleet escorts?
What you wanna do is level a rom and get a scimitar dreadnaught.
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
I have been running this set since the day it came out, and I must say it's good, but kinda "Meh". The chroniton beam almost never procs and the TDD torps have such a whacked out damage variance they almost NEVER hit even close to the amounts you are reporting here.
DPS? You mean that thing I OWN?
- Yes, I am a Plasma boat.
2xTac team
2xEmergency power to shield
2xReverse shield polarity
Secondary shield console
Quantum Absorption (Singularity power)
Resilient shield (MACO, though that was a toss-up to fleet...)
Tank? Yeah... I can do that ok too.
Turns at base 9 with the 3 console pack (if you can fit it)
If you want a poor man's Galor cruiser type, buy the Elachi Destoryer. It is a Galor clone without the spiral waves.
This is good news
My TSAD is currently moth-balled due to the shrapnel torpedo's shortcomings, but I think I will re-arm with with Elachi weapons and Spiral Wave arrays to give it new life.
Why not just ditch the console?
Only use 1 elachi weapon, due to its shortcomings
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
My Mobius build is heavily optimized for competition PVE maps (SB24, GMF, KSF, etc), and my tac captain has all maxed critical combat stats. I believe base crit chance = +12.9% with 2 SO-Romulan BOFF's, and +92% base critical severity.
How is your mobius + captain set-up?
so i thought: "the universe is trying to tell me to use this ship" so i sold both for 105 million and rebought one for 80 a few weeks later, and use it on my gorn engi since then.
And the universe was right...console was TRIBBLE, ditched it after 1 day of parsing data. stuck with the core until i got elite fleet core.
as i said earlier: it is all i want in an escort/destroyer + it has everything good from a sci vessel
and the cherry ontop is the cloak...amazing ship, same goes for the cruiser i'd asume.
on second thought, it might have been a better choice for a fed char of mine since those ships have practically no cloaks, but what ever.
the fact that this ship comes with sensor analasys and a cloak should put this ship (and the cruiser variant) ontop of every list of ships in the sci heavy department.
The only one I really regretted was the Jem'hadar Dreadnaught Carrier. It's been the only ship I completely failed in.
My most comfortable ship - The D'Kora without a doubt.
My most fun this - JHAS.
My best cc/ support - Temporal Sci.
My best defense - Recluse.
I gave a mate a Galor so never got to fly that beauty, but who knows perhaps one day.
I can get my JHDC to equal a "Low end" Scimitar in an STF. I just wish Cryptic hadn't attached the attack ship pets to the actual Jem'hadar Attack Ship. I have no interest in actually flying one and I'm sure not buying one just to put some frigates on my ship.
The JHEC is more for PvP use (lol). In my opinion, it's the best "flight-deck-escort" in game. If you're in the ques and you see a JHEC with double fore torps, that's probably me. :cool:
Either way, I like their looks and their boff layouts. Alas, they are out of your price range.
KDF Tac: Bortasqu' Tactical
Fed Tac: Fleet Gal-X
Keep those big guns a-thunderin'
And I've been leaning towards either getting the Wells or the Jem hadar dreadnought... or just a fleet advanced escort, can't make up my mind :x
The Fleet Advanced Escort is one of my all-time favorites. It has a number of features that make it worth while
-optional MVAM console for pet ships and more mobility
-5 tactical console slots for good weapon damage boost
-3 tac BOFF slots for Romulan superior operatives to crank up critical hit chance and severity
-lt.cmdr sci station for gravity wells and other T3 sci CC's or heals
I only picked up the Wells for the Tipler Cylinder. Otherwise it's been sitting in mothballs...