Sort of sad as I like the its functional capabilities. But even here after some thought, I decided to pass. With the new Cruiser abilities I'll need to fly in formation with my wife's ship, and her Ambassador is a broadersider and this is a cannon boat. The two don't mix.
From an aesthetic point of view, I haven't liked anything created for Star Trek after the Excelsior (which is my primary ship). The best of the lot is the Ambassador and Akira and those are just good enough to accept, not outstanding.
It's like the Galaxy appeared and wrecked Star Trek design forever more. They've never recovered from that.
It looks mean, but even for a utilitarian warship it is rather on the ugly side. Though I like it quite a lot from a high rear angle (i.e. the first screenshot we saw of it).
I would say the worst features are the deflector dish and the flat underside of the saucer.
I like it why? its an actual federation warship
i think it looks cool its bulky its not got all the smooth contours
it has a more robust feel to it visually
but then again it is a warship its not supposed to be pretty its supposed to fight a war
there are people comparing it to the galaxy....first off the TNG galaxy was the frakking love boat in space.
Not that i dont like the old galaxy cause i do its the fact the galaxy was not built for a war it was built for peacefull long range exploration and first contact situations so it was made to not look like a threat.
the avenger looks like it wants to kick your teeth but as meantioned it is a warship
The design is growing on me. I like the overall shape of it. Some of the details could use some work, but maybe it'll look better with a... less bold hull pattern.
One look is all it takes to know it's true purpose. There is no mistaking the fact it means business.
This isn't the Starfleet of 2364 anymore. You don't hold ten conferences with your officers during a crisis, "communicate" with an obvious threat, needlessly put you ship/crew in danger to prove an obscure philosophical point (by withholding fire when it's called for).
This is the post-Dominion War Starfleet of 2409. Starfleet pays lip service to high-minded ideals, but is willing to use force when it's logical and necessary. Ships like the Avenger Class are merely a reflection of the new realities.
This is the post-Dominion War Starfleet of 2409. Starfleet pays lip service to high-minded ideals, but is willing to use force when it's logical and necessary. Ships like the Avenger Class are merely a reflection of the new realities.
Not for nothing, but the Federation/Starfleet used force when it was logical and necessary to do so long before the Dominion War.
Yeah, in the 23rd Century. And after that terrible winter of 2366-2367. It took the complete destruction of 39 star ships, and the loss of all hands on the one vessel that was salvageable, to start waking some people up. The coming of the Dominion was the final nail in the utopian coffin.
My complaint is the split neck failure. Anyone who thinks a split neck improves warp speed by reducing 'wake' is completely and utterly clueless about Star Trek. Fail design is fail.
Sir, may I see your degree in warp field mechanics?
Gotta love the fictional science discussions when they pop up. Also it is canon that warp theory isn't static and more is discovered which updates that theory. The warp scale retunings, Voyager's moving nacelles, quantum slipstream...sounds to me like the split neck is totally plausible to increase warp/transwarp speeds.
The "Avenger" is everything that's wrong with this game in a nutshell. Aesthetically and gameplay wise, in my opinion at least.
But its not a new problem. For generations there were those people that couldn't understand that it is entirely possible for a peaceful minded Federation of Planets to be powerful without building "aggressive looking" starships and without throwing around lame military terminology. A Starfleet Explorer type vessel is basically what other people would consider a "Battleship", yet it is not to be mistaken as a ship of war. But it is still a ship en par with other peoples ships of war, it just wasn't called bad TRIBBLE military names and didn't look like a Star Wars merchandising toy. But I guess it would hurt many folks personal pride if they would command a "Explorer type" vessel when they are fighting. Because everything that does not look and sound like a "warship" is basically a flying "love boat" isn't it?
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Sir, may I see your degree in warp field mechanics?
Gotta love the fictional science discussions when they pop up. Also it is canon that warp theory isn't static and more is discovered which updates that theory. The warp scale retunings, Voyager's moving nacelles, quantum slipstream...sounds to me like the split neck is totally plausible to increase warp/transwarp speeds.
Pretty much, even Rick Sternbach and Mike Okuda suggested a change in the TNG tech manual as to how the impulse engines work, after it was pointed out by physicist Lawrence Krauss how they couldn't possibly work as purely thrust driven engines. Hence they "invented" a subspace field generated in the driver coils, to lower the apparent mass of the ship.
Now if they can just make up stuff on the fly, why can't anyone else? Wasn't Cryptic's reason for the dual neck design more to do with the ship being more stable when using the quantum slipstream, which is why the Odyssey's version lasted longer than the normal version.
I think it's pretty ugly, but in all the right ways.
Too look at it, it gives me the distinct feeling that this sucker was built for purely functional reasons, with little attention devoted to aesthetics.
In other words, it's a very military design, and I love it.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
The only part of the avenger I find at all appealing is the top side of the saucer section.
I hate the nacelle pylons, I hate the deflector, I hate the nacelle fins, I hate the dome on the underside of the saucer I hate the cut-out section running from the saucer to the end of the engineering hull (hated this on the regent as well)
My apologies to who ever designed the ship. I am sure they put a lot of work into it and that they are probably very talented, but I just don't like this ship.
As for the proposed theories regarding people who like the galaxy and those who don't...
For My part I love the galaxy, the sovereign, the nebula, the akira, the defiant and the original constitution.
I am ok with the intrepid, though I have never loved it.
I don't like the excelsior.
As for cryptic's designs I have found them to be very hit and miss some I love, some I can stand and some I hate. The avenger goes in the hate pile.
i think the special colored material on the sceenshot of the lower side of ship that makes it look goofy yes i know its probably dark to make it look stealthy but then the upper side screen shots have the type 6 material and they look much better so do whole ship in screenshots in type 6 material and maybe it will look ok . this is supposed to be a battlecruiser so she ain't supposed to be a beauty queen.
The area around the deflector, and the deflector, is just plain sloppy. The oblong torpedo/cannon rods? Theres a reason why on ships they are recessed.......ironically the same reason Cryptic said they put them there....the rest of the ship Isn't too bad it will probably grown on me
So far from the screenshots and messing around on Redshirt, I like it. I will buy it.
The statement "It does not look like a Starfleet ship" confuses me. What does it look like? A Klingon ship? Cardassian? Borg? Khazon? What, tell me please. You want a ship that doesn't look Starfleet, go no farther than the Defiant.
I can't speak for others but to me the reason why it doesn't look like a Federation design is simply because she lacks elegance.
But I honestly could see this as a Mirror Universe Terran ship. They do need their own ship designs than the stupid copy and paste approach.
If anyone hasn't noticed what the "Avenger" is yet, it's the U.S.S. Vengeance that everyone wanted without any of the the copyright / lawsuit entanglements. It's a Fed warship, armed to the teeth, a bit boxy looking and with a material hull option that makes it dark. Size was made smaller due to player complaints about large starships clogging sector space.
If you liked the Vengeance, chances are you'll like the Avenger, and vice versa.
This is just a lame attempt at recreating the Vengence.
If they threw on an integrated classic round saucer and gave her better looking nacelles, then she would look better. But all the Ship team did is build a Regent out of Legos, threw on ugly concepts from their 2409 trash designs and called it "new". So really if you think about it, she is a kitbash of sorts.
My complaint is the split neck failure. Anyone who thinks a split neck improves warp speed by reducing 'wake' is completely and utterly clueless about Star Trek. Fail design is fail.
This is one of my biggest complaints about her, that dual neck absolutely does not go with that design. And is really stupid since that is a major vulnerable point in a warship. They should've gave her the integrated saucer.
All I can say is I'm growing more and more glad that STO isn't Star Trek canon. Because their 2409 designs are just pure ugly.
I like it why? its an actual federation warship
i think it looks cool its bulky its not got all the smooth contours
it has a more robust feel to it visually
but then again it is a warship its not supposed to be pretty its supposed to fight a war
there are people comparing it to the galaxy....first off the TNG galaxy was the frakking love boat in space.
Not that i dont like the old galaxy cause i do its the fact the galaxy was not built for a war it was built for peacefull long range exploration and first contact situations so it was made to not look like a threat.
the avenger looks like it wants to kick your teeth but as meantioned it is a warship
The Defiant, the Akira, the Steamrunner, the Sovereign, and the Galaxy Dreadnaught were built as Federation warships. But do you see this nonsense with canonical designs? NO!
I kinda like it. Slap some black paint on it and it looks like 31's back in the ship building business. If you think the Avenger's ugly, what do you think of the Imperial?
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I kinda like it. Slap some black paint on it and it looks like 31's back in the ship building business. If you think the Avenger's ugly, what do you think of the Imperial?
Jabba's sail Barge? Yeah that too can be flushed down the toilet as well.
I am not a fan of this ship in any way shape or form.
Yeah, but you don't like it because it's better then the Galaxy.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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Sort of sad as I like the its functional capabilities. But even here after some thought, I decided to pass. With the new Cruiser abilities I'll need to fly in formation with my wife's ship, and her Ambassador is a broadersider and this is a cannon boat. The two don't mix.
From an aesthetic point of view, I haven't liked anything created for Star Trek after the Excelsior (which is my primary ship). The best of the lot is the Ambassador and Akira and those are just good enough to accept, not outstanding.
It's like the Galaxy appeared and wrecked Star Trek design forever more. They've never recovered from that.
I would say the worst features are the deflector dish and the flat underside of the saucer.
i think it looks cool its bulky its not got all the smooth contours
it has a more robust feel to it visually
but then again it is a warship its not supposed to be pretty its supposed to fight a war
there are people comparing it to the galaxy....first off the TNG galaxy was the frakking love boat in space.
Not that i dont like the old galaxy cause i do its the fact the galaxy was not built for a war it was built for peacefull long range exploration and first contact situations so it was made to not look like a threat.
the avenger looks like it wants to kick your teeth but as meantioned it is a warship
I'd like to see if there are any costume variants before making a final judgement.
One look is all it takes to know it's true purpose. There is no mistaking the fact it means business.
This isn't the Starfleet of 2364 anymore. You don't hold ten conferences with your officers during a crisis, "communicate" with an obvious threat, needlessly put you ship/crew in danger to prove an obscure philosophical point (by withholding fire when it's called for).
This is the post-Dominion War Starfleet of 2409. Starfleet pays lip service to high-minded ideals, but is willing to use force when it's logical and necessary. Ships like the Avenger Class are merely a reflection of the new realities.
Then perhaps Section 31 have won...
Yeah, in the 23rd Century. And after that terrible winter of 2366-2367. It took the complete destruction of 39 star ships, and the loss of all hands on the one vessel that was salvageable, to start waking some people up. The coming of the Dominion was the final nail in the utopian coffin.
Sir, may I see your degree in warp field mechanics?
Gotta love the fictional science discussions when they pop up. Also it is canon that warp theory isn't static and more is discovered which updates that theory. The warp scale retunings, Voyager's moving nacelles, quantum slipstream...sounds to me like the split neck is totally plausible to increase warp/transwarp speeds.
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But its not a new problem. For generations there were those people that couldn't understand that it is entirely possible for a peaceful minded Federation of Planets to be powerful without building "aggressive looking" starships and without throwing around lame military terminology. A Starfleet Explorer type vessel is basically what other people would consider a "Battleship", yet it is not to be mistaken as a ship of war. But it is still a ship en par with other peoples ships of war, it just wasn't called bad TRIBBLE military names and didn't look like a Star Wars merchandising toy. But I guess it would hurt many folks personal pride if they would command a "Explorer type" vessel when they are fighting. Because everything that does not look and sound like a "warship" is basically a flying "love boat" isn't it?
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Pretty much, even Rick Sternbach and Mike Okuda suggested a change in the TNG tech manual as to how the impulse engines work, after it was pointed out by physicist Lawrence Krauss how they couldn't possibly work as purely thrust driven engines. Hence they "invented" a subspace field generated in the driver coils, to lower the apparent mass of the ship.
Now if they can just make up stuff on the fly, why can't anyone else? Wasn't Cryptic's reason for the dual neck design more to do with the ship being more stable when using the quantum slipstream, which is why the Odyssey's version lasted longer than the normal version.
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Too look at it, it gives me the distinct feeling that this sucker was built for purely functional reasons, with little attention devoted to aesthetics.
In other words, it's a very military design, and I love it.
I hate the nacelle pylons, I hate the deflector, I hate the nacelle fins, I hate the dome on the underside of the saucer I hate the cut-out section running from the saucer to the end of the engineering hull (hated this on the regent as well)
My apologies to who ever designed the ship. I am sure they put a lot of work into it and that they are probably very talented, but I just don't like this ship.
As for the proposed theories regarding people who like the galaxy and those who don't...
For My part I love the galaxy, the sovereign, the nebula, the akira, the defiant and the original constitution.
I am ok with the intrepid, though I have never loved it.
I don't like the excelsior.
As for cryptic's designs I have found them to be very hit and miss some I love, some I can stand and some I hate. The avenger goes in the hate pile.
I can't speak for others but to me the reason why it doesn't look like a Federation design is simply because she lacks elegance.
But I honestly could see this as a Mirror Universe Terran ship. They do need their own ship designs than the stupid copy and paste approach.
This is just a lame attempt at recreating the Vengence.
If they threw on an integrated classic round saucer and gave her better looking nacelles, then she would look better. But all the Ship team did is build a Regent out of Legos, threw on ugly concepts from their 2409 trash designs and called it "new". So really if you think about it, she is a kitbash of sorts.
This is one of my biggest complaints about her, that dual neck absolutely does not go with that design. And is really stupid since that is a major vulnerable point in a warship. They should've gave her the integrated saucer.
All I can say is I'm growing more and more glad that STO isn't Star Trek canon. Because their 2409 designs are just pure ugly.
The Defiant, the Akira, the Steamrunner, the Sovereign, and the Galaxy Dreadnaught were built as Federation warships. But do you see this nonsense with canonical designs? NO!
I support the Star Trek Battles channel.
Jabba's sail Barge? Yeah that too can be flushed down the toilet as well.
That's what female Remans are for. :eek:
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Some people actually care about looks. Else we might as well be flying in boxes.
ya any one want to drive a station wagon or a Ashton Martin?
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I don't like it because it makes most other Starfleet Cruiser obsolete but also it is ugly.
Cue the crowd that desperately wants a playable Borg Cube...