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  • phoeniciusphoenicius Member Posts: 762 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    tacofangs wrote: »

    lol, mini odysseys.
  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Originally when I heard that they were putting in the Dyson Sphere I was ecstatic. Relics is one of my top ten all time favorite Star Trek episodes, and the mystery surrounding the Dyson Sphere and how it worked, who built it and why was always interesting to me. On top of that, I had always thought that the Dyson Sphere would be best explored in a videogame even before STO was a thing. And when New Romulus was created I knew it was only a matter of time before they did something similar for space, and the Dyson Sphere was the first thing that came to mind. So naturally when it was announced that the first Space Adventure zone would be the Dyson Sphere, I was so excited I literally screamed like a little girl when I read it. (Please don't post cool updates while I'm in school, thank you).

    And then I saw the concept art.

    And then I read todays Dev blog.

    And all that excitement just died.

    Not only is it not the Dyson Sphere from Relics, it doesn't even look even remotely like the Dyson Sphere from Relics. I'm, really disappointed about this. This may sound really stupid, but if it's not connected to the Dyson Sphere from Relics, why are you putting in a Dyson Sphere at all? One of the major complaints about this game is that it doesn't feel like Star Trek, and this is one of the big reasons why!

    When you have opportunities to include things from canon Trek,

    You. Don't. Do it!!!!! Why??? :confused:

    I apologize if this sounds really whiny, but I don't really care.

    CHAAAAAAAAAANGEE IITTT.
    How about they don't change it, just because you want them to change it? I am fine with the way that Cryptic is going to go with this Dyson Sphere. It may not be the Jenolan Dyson Sphere, and I am fine with it. Having the Jenolan Dyson Sphere not be a part of the game is not a deal breaker for me.

    Regarding the yellowed emphasized part, that's just your opinion, and I'm sorry, but I don't really care which Dyson Sphere is used, as long as it works. You are perfectly fine to have your opinion, but don't tell the devs that they should do what you want them to do because you may be a bit dissatisfied with some of the work they've been doing.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Eh, Neelix, while being completely irritating, wasn't nearly that bad. Save your plans of genocide for Jar Jar.

    The most annoying character ever, Jar Jar Neelix. Makes Neelix and Jar Jar seem tolerable.
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I have no heartburn over the Dyson Sphere.

    But I will say, a science advisor would not necessarily be a bad idea. I mean, ultimately it won't be real science because this is Star Trek. Real science can't find one alien civilization let alone thousands. But somewhere under the gobbledygook there ought to be at least a few nuggets of theoretical science.

    But since I'm sure Cryptic can't hire a science advisor, that's moot.
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  • elessymelessym Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bluegeek wrote: »
    But I will say, a science advisor would not necessarily be a bad idea. I mean, ultimately it won't be real science because this is Star Trek. Real science can't find one alien civilization let alone thousands. But somewhere under the gobbledygook there ought to be at least a few nuggets of theoretical science.

    Doesn't that boil down to "a designer who reads about science"? I'd bet they have at least one, probably more.
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  • trwarbucktrwarbuck Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Stop your whining! Poetic licensing, ever heard of that concept?
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    elessym wrote: »
    Doesn't that boil down to "a designer who reads about science"? I'd bet they have at least one, probably more.

    Yeah, I don't think we need actual scientists to help. It's fiction after all.

    The late (great) Iain Banks wrote what I consider to be the best science fiction series without having a scientific background, but his Culture universe never seems unrealistic despite the end-game level technologies involved.
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  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    elessym wrote: »
    At least we know where the dark matter is.

    In Nibblers litter box?
  • issueman1issueman1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Why is everyone overly excited by an vacuum designed by an extremely feministic Englishman?
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Assuming the dying sun in the Relics' Sphere eventually goes nova, it would be interesting to see what happens to the Sphere. Does it absorb all that nova energy and beam it somewhere? Does it open up a rift in space before collapsing into a blackhole? Does it just explode and all the matter making up the shell start forming new planets like a huge Genesis Device?

    Write that Mission, Cryptic. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    issueman1 wrote: »
    Why is everyone overly excited by an vacuum designed by an extremely feministic Englishman?
    Because it has a lot of suction. :D
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Assuming the dying sun in the Relics' Sphere eventually goes nova, it would be interesting to see what happens to the Sphere. Does it absorb all that nova energy and beam it somewhere? Does it open up a rift in space before collapsing into a blackhole? Does it just explode and all the matter making up the shell start forming new planets like a huge Genesis Device?

    Write that Mission, Cryptic. :)
    Depends on whether the blast is strong enough to crack the crust of the sphere. It might just blow the hatch open. Sure it would also melt several of the buildings inside, but.... it wasn't quite livable before. If the star becomes more stable afterwards it might be an improvement.
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Assuming the dying sun in the Relics' Sphere eventually goes nova, it would be interesting to see what happens to the Sphere. Does it absorb all that nova energy and beam it somewhere? Does it open up a rift in space before collapsing into a blackhole? Does it just explode and all the matter making up the shell start forming new planets like a huge Genesis Device?

    Write that Mission, Cryptic. :)

    Most stars expand in their final phases. The forces generated by their expansion are orders of magnitude larger than their normal energy output - unless the sphere is immensely overengineered (and it's already dealing with incomprehensible energy levels and the difficulty of radiating excess energy so the interior does not heat out of control), it will fail long before the star dies if the star's maximum radius exceeds the sphere's, and even if it does not direct exposure to the corona is potentially worse since stars' atmospheres are hotter than their surfaces.

    Presuming it does somehow survive, most main sequence stars die pretty gently, and it would survive that if it survived the giant phase. If the star is large enough to explode, the energy output of even the weakest types of supernovae can exceed the energy output of small *galaxies* let alone the star's normal output. The sphere would be destroyed even if it was immensely overengineered.


    And there's no reason to overpower the sphere to survive that. The sphere was abandoned long before the star did any of these things. If this was planned, the sphere would be discarded and its survival irrelevant. If this was unplanned, the builders clearly had an epic lack of foresight despite their technological mastery and it's likely they said, "Four billion years? What's the odds of that much time happening!?" and didn't bother to plan for it.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I wasn't actually looking for a realistic explanation. I was thinking more of a Trek-science explanation, where events always tie into adventures. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Assuming the dying sun in the Relics' Sphere eventually goes nova, it would be interesting to see what happens to the Sphere. Does it absorb all that nova energy and beam it somewhere? Does it open up a rift in space before collapsing into a blackhole? Does it just explode and all the matter making up the shell start forming new planets like a huge Genesis Device?

    Write that Mission, Cryptic. :)

    Wait, nova or super nova? Because they're two separate things. Your comments seem to indicate a super nova, and that's rather unlikely for a main sequence star like the one in relics. It doesn't have enough mass to go super nova.

    Now, it could go nova, and that's probably what it was doing. A nova is what happens when something changes in the fusion processes of a star and it becomes brighter than it was before, putting out larger levels of energy.
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I wasn't actually looking for a realistic explanation. I was thinking more of a Trek-science explanation, where events always tie into adventures. :)

    Star Trek science: The sphere would still be obliterated, just like most realistic scenarios, but its power storage system would collapse creating a gravitic subspace instability that would threaten several sectors of space if it wasn't neutralized. But neutralizing it would require more chronitons than every emitter in the known galaxy could create, even if they were all connected directly through warp cores. Unless... maybe if you routed the warp plasma through the shield array first. It's risky, but I think if we can get enough ships we might just be able to do this, but we'd only get one shot and it has to be timed perfectly.
  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Wait, nova or super nova? Because they're two separate things. Your comments seem to indicate a super nova, and that's rather unlikely for a main sequence star like the one in relics. It doesn't have enough mass to go super nova.

    Now, it could go nova, and that's probably what it was doing. A nova is what happens when something changes in the fusion processes of a star and it becomes brighter than it was before, putting out larger levels of energy.

    It's not just somebody turning the star up a bit brighter, novae still expel stellar matter. It's not the apocalyptic kaboom that a supernova is, but it'd still be more than enough to do potentially fatal damage to the shell if not dealt with.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Assuming the dying sun in the Relics' Sphere eventually goes nova, it would be interesting to see what happens to the Sphere. Does it absorb all that nova energy and beam it somewhere? Does it open up a rift in space before collapsing into a blackhole? Does it just explode and all the matter making up the shell start forming new planets like a huge Genesis Device?

    Write that Mission, Cryptic. :)
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I wasn't actually looking for a realistic explanation. I was thinking more of a Trek-science explanation, where events always tie into adventures. :)

    Simple, it likely still go boom. It's just a gigantic example of a simple bomb like a grenade.


    If you want a more spectacular explanation, maybe it will force it to collapse into a black hole and the sphere ultra compresses into a tiny sphere.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Simple, it likely still go boom. It's just a gigantic example of a simple bomb like a grenade.


    If you want a more spectacular explanation, maybe it will force it to collapse into a black hole and the sphere ultra compresses into a tiny sphere.

    Either way, I would like to see the big kaboom. :D
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Wait, nova or super nova? Because they're two separate things. Your comments seem to indicate a super nova, and that's rather unlikely for a main sequence star like the one in relics. It doesn't have enough mass to go super nova.

    Now, it could go nova, and that's probably what it was doing. A nova is what happens when something changes in the fusion processes of a star and it becomes brighter than it was before, putting out larger levels of energy.
    I was thinking regular nova myself. A large but temporary increase in luminosity. If it's a violent one it might shed an outer layer or two.

    Yeah, honestly I'm thinking we don't know enough about the builders of the Jenolan Sphere to say for sure what they were thinking there. What actually did them in? Did they die? where did they go?
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