actually it tells me a lot when you respond, and the fact that accounts are the same on all the perfect world games we can see you have not posted once in neverwinter or any other game.
I expect a quick response saying.....something like..."I am using a differing account" or better still "I play on brother's/uncle's/sister's machine"
but then we are getting off topic.....so you have been told why the system on neverwinter fails....and why it wont work here....so
Now post some reasons you think it would work here...why it wont be exploited and why your think its superior.
I mean spamville neverwinter has such a wonderful system..why ever would you ignore neverwinter and post here after all.
sorry wasn't quick response but you are correct i do play neverwinter on a diffrent accout but i do have chars on this account as well to be excact i have neverwinter chars on 3 accounts and sto chars on 2.
due to char limits
why it would work one it would allow thos who put the time in to be rewarded with there dilthium for items they do not need instead of selling it for worthless ec that frankly serve no purpose unless you want to buy keys fleet mods or lobi ships other then that ec serves no real purpose
dilithum is were the best gear comes from being able to trade items directly for it would benifit everyone from the low level who gets a purple from fleet action he can't use. he sells that item on the ah for enough dilth to go into store or the exchange and buy an item he does need.
with current system you can buy stuff on the exchange if anything you need is forsale but you can't get items from other sources like the store or fleet the system is very limited and you need to manage yoru farming over multiple currencys then rep items.
but thats just my opinion
do i think it would work prob not as to many people are to deeply invested in the current system and have hundred of millions of ec that would be completly worthless even more so then it is.
maybe a system that allows the seller to chose to sell for dilth or ec give players a choice and an alternative to grinding on multiple toons to get it.
would it hurt anything that depends on how you look at it thos who have stockpiled hundreds of millions of ec would be upset other then that it realy would't change anything the first few weeks would be rough but once people started getting sales they would see that its not that bad.
I knwo for one the first time i got a rare item droped in neverwinter and put it up on the auction house and it sold right away for enough diamonds to then trade the diamons for zen and buy 2 extra char slots all with one sale. I relized it was a good system
if wasn't for that first sale I would have had to grind out diamonds 24k a day for 2 or 3 weeks.
other then consumeables what do you realy need ec for?
i have found nothing that haveing more then few million ec would be needed on daily basis i don't think i spend more then 100k if lucky and make 500 to 600k just from running one foundry
only thing you need large amounts of ec for is if you wish to buy one of the lobi ships or one of the other ships thats tradeable.
and replication of items...like for your starbase or your needed items fro the reputation system...or for the consumables.....or for the ability to jump around with transwarp...or for crafting.....
100k can buy you a stack of 100 medical provisions...of course its takes 100 of them as one commodity for somethings......25700 can buy you a single mk ix photon torpedo....but since fleet projects require 500+ of them at times....it can cost.
lets see.....standard working on 3 differing reputations you will need 6 differing commodities and 4 differing consumables..in stacks of 50+.....so 100k is barely anything in EC.
in this game you at least have uses for the EC..you can also buy ships....and purchase bridge officers and retrain them for EC. You can even retrain your self....and buy equipment you can use for EC.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
sorry wasn't quick response but you are correct i do play neverwinter on a diffrent accout but i do have chars on this account as well to be excact i have neverwinter chars on 3 accounts and sto chars on 2.
due to char limits
why it would work one it would allow thos who put the time in to be rewarded with there dilthium for items they do not need instead of selling it for worthless ec that frankly serve no purpose unless you want to buy keys fleet mods or lobi ships other then that ec serves no real purpose
dilithum is were the best gear comes from being able to trade items directly for it would benifit everyone from the low level who gets a purple from fleet action he can't use. he sells that item on the ah for enough dilth to go into store or the exchange and buy an item he does need.
with current system you can buy stuff on the exchange if anything you need is forsale but you can't get items from other sources like the store or fleet the system is very limited and you need to manage yoru farming over multiple currencys then rep items.
but thats just my opinion
do i think it would work prob not as to many people are to deeply invested in the current system and have hundred of millions of ec that would be completly worthless even more so then it is.
maybe a system that allows the seller to chose to sell for dilth or ec give players a choice and an alternative to grinding on multiple toons to get it.
would it hurt anything that depends on how you look at it thos who have stockpiled hundreds of millions of ec would be upset other then that it realy would't change anything the first few weeks would be rough but once people started getting sales they would see that its not that bad.
I knwo for one the first time i got a rare item droped in neverwinter and put it up on the auction house and it sold right away for enough diamonds to then trade the diamons for zen and buy 2 extra char slots all with one sale. I relized it was a good system
if wasn't for that first sale I would have had to grind out diamonds 24k a day for 2 or 3 weeks.
oh goodness....you mentioned the people crying....
It reminds me of the in game mail fiasco of a month or two ago.....
What was that the person said...."its not fair I have over 1000+ in game mails its how I keep all the bridge officers and duty officers I hold onto"
yes a change would make some people who have been hoarding EC very unhappy....but then it would also make this game kind of not really rewarding.
I mean right now you get EC for things....if it no longer mattered for the exchange....like gold doesn't matter in never winter....then what would people do with it....nothing....they would simply throw away pretty much everything in this game.
They would then do what happens in never winter....stand around only in the conclave and spam sell all day and night...and the reason is because its easier for people to not play and simply get the items they want.(yeah do a search and notice on all servers 90% of all the players are in the conclave only and never leave)
its funny....but its the type of thinking that a system like the astral diamonds only is what made diablo 3 decide to abolish the market system entirely....as they noticed it didn't give them more players it made them lose them as there was no point to keep the items you got.
Astral diamonds only in never winter does that right now....the drops are not really considered that great because there is no point to them...unless they have that uber purple item no one wants them, and with no real rewards the actual game play becomes less fun....people rush through dungeons with no thought to explore...and thus the actual game play becomes lost as people simply grind the game....using third party programs and not even try to play.
Which is the other factor....the EC being the defacto value in the market system adds a cusion to the potential exploits and counterfeiting.....it also gives the new player a sense of accomplishment.....as they got a bunch of EC
And as for the uses of dilithium....actually its not the only way to buy high level items....if your fleet doesn't have the items you didn't spend your EC....dilithum does not buy the best items....fleet marks and zen get the best
The EC in this game with its usage however...even though its trivial....still has value...and it makes this game have rewards.
I am sure many people have noticed just how many people no longer play neverwinter...its not the astral diamonds per say.....its the fact the rewards from the game play just are not there.....people get a chest filled with 1000 gold and think wow that kind of is lame.
because its worthless....and the reason its worthless is because people only trade astral diamonds.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
and replication of items...like for your starbase or your needed items fro the reputation system...or for the consumables.....or for the ability to jump around with transwarp...or for crafting.....
100k can buy you a stack of 100 medical provisions...of course its takes 100 of them as one commodity for somethings......25700 can buy you a single mk ix photon torpedo....but since fleet projects require 500+ of them at times....it can cost.
lets see.....standard working on 3 differing reputations you will need 6 differing commodities and 4 differing consumables..in stacks of 50+.....so 100k is barely anything in EC.
in this game you at least have uses for the EC..you can also buy ships....and purchase bridge officers and retrain them for EC. You can even retrain your self....and buy equipment you can use for EC.
100 medical supplies cost 10,000 not 100k ix torp cost 8648 not 25700 and talking fleet projects are something that should be done by a fleet if your fitting the bill for all the items on a project your doing it wrong as well as cheating your fleet out of the chance to earn fleet credits.
the most expensive item you can replicate is 1800 each a stack of 100 would be 180k
now my reps are not very high so can't speak of later teirs but i have't came across any project needing them for rep seen fleet projects requreing them but that is split up between all your fleet the burden shoudl't be carried by 1 person.
oh goodness....you mentioned the people crying....
It reminds me of the in game mail fiasco of a month or two ago.....
What was that the person said...."its not fair I have over 1000+ in game mails its how I keep all the bridge officers and duty officers I hold onto"
yes a change would make some people who have been hoarding EC very unhappy....but then it would also make this game kind of not really rewarding.
I mean right now you get EC for things....if it no longer mattered for the exchange....like gold doesn't matter in never winter....then what would people do with it....nothing....they would simply throw away pretty much everything in this game.
They would then do what happens in never winter....stand around only in the conclave and spam sell all day and night...and the reason is because its easier for people to not play and simply get the items they want.(yeah do a search and notice on all servers 90% of all the players are in the conclave only and never leave)
its funny....but its the type of thinking that a system like the astral diamonds only is what made diablo 3 decide to abolish the market system entirely....as they noticed it didn't give them more players it made them lose them as there was no point to keep the items you got.
Astral diamonds only in never winter does that right now....the drops are not really considered that great because there is no point to them...unless they have that uber purple item no one wants them, and with no real rewards the actual game play becomes less fun....people rush through dungeons with no thought to explore...and thus the actual game play becomes lost as people simply grind the game....using third party programs and not even try to play.
Which is the other factor....the EC being the defacto value in the market system adds a cusion to the potential exploits and counterfeiting.....it also gives the new player a sense of accomplishment.....as they got a bunch of EC
And as for the uses of dilithium....actually its not the only way to buy high level items....if your fleet doesn't have the items you didn't spend your EC....dilithum does not buy the best items....fleet marks and zen get the best
The EC in this game with its usage however...even though its trivial....still has value...and it makes this game have rewards.
I am sure many people have noticed just how many people no longer play neverwinter...its not the astral diamonds per say.....its the fact the rewards from the game play just are not there.....people get a chest filled with 1000 gold and think wow that kind of is lame.
because its worthless....and the reason its worthless is because people only trade astral diamonds.
as somebody stated above ec would still have value as you still would need it for replicator goods for rep and projects as well as common weaposn for fleet projects and other things.
if your grinding dilith for gear your aiming at the mk xii gear from fleet vendors which require dlth and fleet credits and to earn fleet credits you need ec and dilth so the value is still there
also you have me confused about the zen fleet marks the only thing i know of to do with fleet marks is use them on projects to earn fleet credits and i have not seen any items other then fluff items that cost zen
they all cost dilth and fleet credits only ships cost zen
anyway feel free to continue to dicuss headed to bed
other then consumeables what do you realy need ec for?
i have found nothing that haveing more then few million ec would be needed on daily basis i don't think i spend more then 100k if lucky and make 500 to 600k just from running one foundry
only thing you need large amounts of ec for is if you wish to buy one of the lobi ships or one of the other ships thats tradeable.
why it would work one it would allow thos who put the time in to be rewarded with there dilthium for items they do not need instead of selling it for worthless ec that frankly serve no purpose unless you want to buy keys fleet mods or lobi ships other then that ec serves no real purpose
dilithum is were the best gear comes from being able to trade items directly for it would benifit everyone from the low level who gets a purple from fleet action he can't use. he sells that item on the ah for enough dilth to go into store or the exchange and buy an item he does need.
with current system you can buy stuff on the exchange if anything you need is forsale but you can't get items from other sources like the store or fleet the system is very limited and you need to manage yoru farming over multiple currencys then rep items.
It's not really true that the best gear is purchased for dilithium. Perhaps, you are not aware of all the things that sell on the Exchange. It's not just lockbox and Lobi ships. For example, purple Mk XII [Acc]x3 energy weapons compete directly with fleet weapons. Some things such as boffs with special abilities and lockbox traits cannot be purchased for dilithium at all. You have to either hope for a lucky drop from a lockbox or doff pack or purchase them from the Exchange.
You may think it's disadvantageous to grind multiple currencies. I agree that multiple currencies makes the system more complicated and it would be better if we had started with a single currency in the first place. But if the Exchange currency were switched to dilithium and no other changes were made, then many players would see a reduction in disposable income. The reason is as follows. Currently, a player can grind dilithium to buy fleet and reputation gear and grind EC to buy items from the Exchange. If the Exchange currency were switched to dilithium, then the player can no longer grind EC to buy things from the Exchange and would have to grind more dilithium to compensate. If he were already reaching the 8k daily refining cap, then he would have to buy more character slots and work more characters in order to maintain same the purchasing power.
im finding it a pain in the TRIBBLE as it is to log in every single day to refine my dill to cap as it is just for a few weapons when i have unrefined dill just sat there doing nothing that i worked hard for and have to log on every day to refine it bit by bit. and then there would be all the lesser mundane stuff to purchase for dill on top of that, there are way to many dill sinks for the pittance that we can refine atm.
I wonder what would happen to the economy if they took away the ability to transfer dilithium via the zen exchange to your alts.
>_> Most people I know have 1 or 2 main characters they play, and anywhere from 4-10 or even more pure dilithium farm characters they use to fuel their mains.
Considering if you have 10 characters you grind dilithium on every day... (not as hard as it sounds, my six characters hit cap doing contraband/mine doff missions and STF runs in about 2-3 hours playtime total)
that is 80000 dilithium (at current exchange rates about 650 zen)
That is five master keys... which in turn sell for about 1.6 million EC on the exchange.
So with 10 alts grinding dilithium one of three things will happen (or some combination of the three)
- You will make 80000 dilithium
- You will make 650 Zen
- You will make 8 million EC
Every single day.
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Ughhh...this reminds me of the EPIC fail of Diablo 3 AH's
The dreaded GOLD AUCTION HOUSE, and the even more dreaded REAL MONEY AUCTION HOUSE...
These two things alone destroyed the Diablo series...
I'd hate to see something like that implemented in STO.
I would support more high end items available in the dilithium store, just for the fact that Ferengi's could not control the market as they already do on the EC exchange. Inflated prices have been a plague on the exchange. 30+ million for a 30% dmg tac console is ridiculous. Amongst other ways they control the markets... i.e: Take a look at how they own the particle traces market...its just sick.
Be careful what you wish for...You just might get "Star Trek Auction House Online" controlled by bots, chinese farmers and other scum of the earth.
Ughhh...this reminds me of the EPIC fail of Diablo 3 AH's
The dreaded GOLD AUCTION HOUSE, and the even more dreaded REAL MONEY AUCTION HOUSE...
These two things alone destroyed the Diablo series...
I'd hate to see something like that implemented in STO.
Good news for you then. Both the gold and real money AHs in D3 are getting shut down in March. So even Bliz thinks it's a bad idea in retrospect lol.
I should also note...Diablo 3 has finally annouced that they will be getting rid of their AH systems due to market controlling Bots, chinese farmers and other such scum of the earth..
I'm actually happy about that, and might start playing it again.
Diablo was always a P2P trade game, it was socially superior, if not as efficient. Part of the fun was wheeling and dealing your high end items. once the AH was in the equation....it took the magic out of "finding good gear" and interacting with other player became... non exsistant.
Not saying D3 is a great game...(it's not and their lack of online players shows this)
cause I actually hate it compared to Diablo 2 LoD...
But it just shows what AH's can do to a game.
In some cases it would work, in others...not so much.
I don't want to see any form of AH's in STO.
STO saved me from D3....havent looked back since. Don't promote the same ida here. The devs might get some funny ideas.
Whoops, looks like I'm a bit too quick on the trigger this morning haha.
But yeah I'm with you. I don't think it's a good idea either. Actually the AD exchange is a small part of why I don't play NW and really don't want to see that here.
Edit: Oh and you had it right the first time. It's Lan, but the forums decided to make it lowercase instead of a capital L. Silly forum downgrade when PWE took over messed up my name. >.>
Just currious as somebody who came here after playing neverwinter.
wondering how the community here would feel with a system like neverwinter has.
for thos who have never played it in that game astral diamonds Is the equal to dilth here.
the only diffrence is the auction house in neverwinter doesn't use gold < energy credits>
all the player traded equipment is bought and sold for astral diamonds. <dilithium>
I think would be cool feature for this game either make the exchange dilth based or make it option to sell your items for ec or dilth.
pro's I can think of is would make dilth a bit faster to aquire due to profit from sales it wuld increase company sales of zen as people would have even more reason to want to buy extra zen to exchange for dilth
downside all equipment becomes harder to get for lower level toons also the cost of items could go higher then what some players would like.
whats everyone elses opinion?
I don't think that it would be possible for Cryptic to convert our Dilithium over to an exchange currency like Astral Diamonds are used in Neverwinter at this stage in STO's existence.
If Cryptic were to attempt such a feat I'd imagine that they would have to go with a dual payment option of both Dilithium and Energy Credits here in STO and let the players themselves phase out Energy Credits in favor of the more valuable Dilithium.
I don't think that it would be possible for Cryptic to convert our Dilithium over to an exchange currency like Astral Diamonds are used in Neverwinter at this stage in STO's existence.
If Cryptic were to attempt such a feat I'd imagine that they would have to go with a dual payment option of both Dilithium and Energy Credits here in STO and let the players themselves phase out Energy Credits in favor of the more valuable Dilithium.
Except that a lot of people would refuse to buy anything being sold for dil.
I'd like to see other currencies up on the exchange, but not Dilithium. GPL springs to mind, and Lobi's, but I am not sure whether having a separate exchange for those items, or having the option of selecting what currency you want to sell your item(s) in would make more sense?
I'd like to see other currencies up on the exchange, but not Dilithium. GPL springs to mind, and Lobi's, but I am not sure whether having a separate exchange for those items, or having the option of selecting what currency you want to sell your item(s) in would make more sense?
It would bring in more options.
GPL should have been the main currency to begin with and Lobi should just not exist as a currency if you ever watched the first episode of Voyager. fact is Lobi crystals got its 2 minuttes of fame with Quark trying to rip off ensign Kim and now it is the hardest currency to get in STO when it sheould be the easiest. But you know someone at the lead of Cryptic derped on that one.
I could go on about dilithium as a currency, it is only used in warp drives so i do not see how it is usefull in building a starbase in the billions of crystals or why anyone would trade 30k for a weapon.
Energy Credits? What is this california during the rolling blackouts and energy crisis? Need EC to get a reduction in the electric and gas bill from PG&E? Oh wait our warp core provides the majority of power and what it doesnt is provided from the fusion generators in the impulse engines. Energy is not a problem.
Meh the whole currency issue in STO is so messed up now it is pathetic. but NO dilithium for buying junk off the exchange!
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Leave the Exchange as it is. Trust me, there's a reason why people keep looking for exploits in Neverwinter with the Astral Diamond bs. Also note, I've logged into NW a few times and watched the Auction House there for a while, marking prices of mid to high end gear and I've noticed that there's virtually no commerce there. People only buy what they REALLY need, other then that they seem to go and farm epic dungeons etc.
At least in STO the ECs have a value along with dilithium. It's a perfect balance and it should be preserved as it is. Gold Pressed Latinum could be a bit more prevalent in some categories, it would be nice if Cryptic released some cosmetic items like clothing every now and then in a GPL store.
But people, trust me... leave the exchange as it is or economy will fare as in Neverwinter... virtually non-existent and full of exploits.
well i think having BOOTH echanges one for ec second for dil will make it surely interesing, and well if many ppl move thier top stuff from ec to dil...well that will amke sure that ppls which sell these rate items for EC will make even nicer profits
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sorry wasn't quick response but you are correct i do play neverwinter on a diffrent accout but i do have chars on this account as well to be excact i have neverwinter chars on 3 accounts and sto chars on 2.
due to char limits
why it would work one it would allow thos who put the time in to be rewarded with there dilthium for items they do not need instead of selling it for worthless ec that frankly serve no purpose unless you want to buy keys fleet mods or lobi ships other then that ec serves no real purpose
dilithum is were the best gear comes from being able to trade items directly for it would benifit everyone from the low level who gets a purple from fleet action he can't use. he sells that item on the ah for enough dilth to go into store or the exchange and buy an item he does need.
with current system you can buy stuff on the exchange if anything you need is forsale but you can't get items from other sources like the store or fleet the system is very limited and you need to manage yoru farming over multiple currencys then rep items.
but thats just my opinion
do i think it would work prob not as to many people are to deeply invested in the current system and have hundred of millions of ec that would be completly worthless even more so then it is.
maybe a system that allows the seller to chose to sell for dilth or ec give players a choice and an alternative to grinding on multiple toons to get it.
would it hurt anything that depends on how you look at it thos who have stockpiled hundreds of millions of ec would be upset other then that it realy would't change anything the first few weeks would be rough but once people started getting sales they would see that its not that bad.
I knwo for one the first time i got a rare item droped in neverwinter and put it up on the auction house and it sold right away for enough diamonds to then trade the diamons for zen and buy 2 extra char slots all with one sale. I relized it was a good system
if wasn't for that first sale I would have had to grind out diamonds 24k a day for 2 or 3 weeks.
NW-DHNVMMGVJ Dragons horde part one.
http://youtu.be/0KbqTWeJqxc
and replication of items...like for your starbase or your needed items fro the reputation system...or for the consumables.....or for the ability to jump around with transwarp...or for crafting.....
100k can buy you a stack of 100 medical provisions...of course its takes 100 of them as one commodity for somethings......25700 can buy you a single mk ix photon torpedo....but since fleet projects require 500+ of them at times....it can cost.
lets see.....standard working on 3 differing reputations you will need 6 differing commodities and 4 differing consumables..in stacks of 50+.....so 100k is barely anything in EC.
in this game you at least have uses for the EC..you can also buy ships....and purchase bridge officers and retrain them for EC. You can even retrain your self....and buy equipment you can use for EC.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
=^_^=
oh goodness....you mentioned the people crying....
It reminds me of the in game mail fiasco of a month or two ago.....
What was that the person said...."its not fair I have over 1000+ in game mails its how I keep all the bridge officers and duty officers I hold onto"
yes a change would make some people who have been hoarding EC very unhappy....but then it would also make this game kind of not really rewarding.
I mean right now you get EC for things....if it no longer mattered for the exchange....like gold doesn't matter in never winter....then what would people do with it....nothing....they would simply throw away pretty much everything in this game.
They would then do what happens in never winter....stand around only in the conclave and spam sell all day and night...and the reason is because its easier for people to not play and simply get the items they want.(yeah do a search and notice on all servers 90% of all the players are in the conclave only and never leave)
its funny....but its the type of thinking that a system like the astral diamonds only is what made diablo 3 decide to abolish the market system entirely....as they noticed it didn't give them more players it made them lose them as there was no point to keep the items you got.
Astral diamonds only in never winter does that right now....the drops are not really considered that great because there is no point to them...unless they have that uber purple item no one wants them, and with no real rewards the actual game play becomes less fun....people rush through dungeons with no thought to explore...and thus the actual game play becomes lost as people simply grind the game....using third party programs and not even try to play.
Which is the other factor....the EC being the defacto value in the market system adds a cusion to the potential exploits and counterfeiting.....it also gives the new player a sense of accomplishment.....as they got a bunch of EC
And as for the uses of dilithium....actually its not the only way to buy high level items....if your fleet doesn't have the items you didn't spend your EC....dilithum does not buy the best items....fleet marks and zen get the best
The EC in this game with its usage however...even though its trivial....still has value...and it makes this game have rewards.
I am sure many people have noticed just how many people no longer play neverwinter...its not the astral diamonds per say.....its the fact the rewards from the game play just are not there.....people get a chest filled with 1000 gold and think wow that kind of is lame.
because its worthless....and the reason its worthless is because people only trade astral diamonds.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
=^_^=
100 medical supplies cost 10,000 not 100k ix torp cost 8648 not 25700 and talking fleet projects are something that should be done by a fleet if your fitting the bill for all the items on a project your doing it wrong as well as cheating your fleet out of the chance to earn fleet credits.
the most expensive item you can replicate is 1800 each a stack of 100 would be 180k
now my reps are not very high so can't speak of later teirs but i have't came across any project needing them for rep seen fleet projects requreing them but that is split up between all your fleet the burden shoudl't be carried by 1 person.
NW-DHNVMMGVJ Dragons horde part one.
http://youtu.be/0KbqTWeJqxc
as somebody stated above ec would still have value as you still would need it for replicator goods for rep and projects as well as common weaposn for fleet projects and other things.
if your grinding dilith for gear your aiming at the mk xii gear from fleet vendors which require dlth and fleet credits and to earn fleet credits you need ec and dilth so the value is still there
also you have me confused about the zen fleet marks the only thing i know of to do with fleet marks is use them on projects to earn fleet credits and i have not seen any items other then fluff items that cost zen
they all cost dilth and fleet credits only ships cost zen
anyway feel free to continue to dicuss headed to bed
NW-DHNVMMGVJ Dragons horde part one.
http://youtu.be/0KbqTWeJqxc
It's not really true that the best gear is purchased for dilithium. Perhaps, you are not aware of all the things that sell on the Exchange. It's not just lockbox and Lobi ships. For example, purple Mk XII [Acc]x3 energy weapons compete directly with fleet weapons. Some things such as boffs with special abilities and lockbox traits cannot be purchased for dilithium at all. You have to either hope for a lucky drop from a lockbox or doff pack or purchase them from the Exchange.
You may think it's disadvantageous to grind multiple currencies. I agree that multiple currencies makes the system more complicated and it would be better if we had started with a single currency in the first place. But if the Exchange currency were switched to dilithium and no other changes were made, then many players would see a reduction in disposable income. The reason is as follows. Currently, a player can grind dilithium to buy fleet and reputation gear and grind EC to buy items from the Exchange. If the Exchange currency were switched to dilithium, then the player can no longer grind EC to buy things from the Exchange and would have to grind more dilithium to compensate. If he were already reaching the 8k daily refining cap, then he would have to buy more character slots and work more characters in order to maintain same the purchasing power.
>_> Most people I know have 1 or 2 main characters they play, and anywhere from 4-10 or even more pure dilithium farm characters they use to fuel their mains.
Considering if you have 10 characters you grind dilithium on every day... (not as hard as it sounds, my six characters hit cap doing contraband/mine doff missions and STF runs in about 2-3 hours playtime total)
that is 80000 dilithium (at current exchange rates about 650 zen)
That is five master keys... which in turn sell for about 1.6 million EC on the exchange.
So with 10 alts grinding dilithium one of three things will happen (or some combination of the three)
- You will make 80000 dilithium
- You will make 650 Zen
- You will make 8 million EC
Every single day.
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Especially when I make more refined astrals off a couple level 24ish blues, than I get for all of Rhix's dailies combined.
The dreaded GOLD AUCTION HOUSE, and the even more dreaded REAL MONEY AUCTION HOUSE...
These two things alone destroyed the Diablo series...
I'd hate to see something like that implemented in STO.
I would support more high end items available in the dilithium store, just for the fact that Ferengi's could not control the market as they already do on the EC exchange. Inflated prices have been a plague on the exchange. 30+ million for a 30% dmg tac console is ridiculous. Amongst other ways they control the markets... i.e: Take a look at how they own the particle traces market...its just sick.
Be careful what you wish for...You just might get "Star Trek Auction House Online" controlled by bots, chinese farmers and other scum of the earth.
Good news for you then. Both the gold and real money AHs in D3 are getting shut down in March. So even Bliz thinks it's a bad idea in retrospect lol.
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I'm actually happy about that, and might start playing it again.
Diablo was always a P2P trade game, it was socially superior, if not as efficient. Part of the fun was wheeling and dealing your high end items. once the AH was in the equation....it took the magic out of "finding good gear" and interacting with other player became... non exsistant.
Not saying D3 is a great game...(it's not and their lack of online players shows this)
cause I actually hate it compared to Diablo 2 LoD...
But it just shows what AH's can do to a game.
In some cases it would work, in others...not so much.
I don't want to see any form of AH's in STO.
STO saved me from D3....havent looked back since. Don't promote the same ida here. The devs might get some funny ideas.
I was just mentioning that
Whoops, looks like I'm a bit too quick on the trigger this morning haha.
But yeah I'm with you. I don't think it's a good idea either. Actually the AD exchange is a small part of why I don't play NW and really don't want to see that here.
Edit: Oh and you had it right the first time. It's Lan, but the forums decided to make it lowercase instead of a capital L. Silly forum downgrade when PWE took over messed up my name. >.>
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I don't think that it would be possible for Cryptic to convert our Dilithium over to an exchange currency like Astral Diamonds are used in Neverwinter at this stage in STO's existence.
If Cryptic were to attempt such a feat I'd imagine that they would have to go with a dual payment option of both Dilithium and Energy Credits here in STO and let the players themselves phase out Energy Credits in favor of the more valuable Dilithium.
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if that were the case then nobody would ever spend dilth if they want it they would buy it no matter the currency
NW-DHNVMMGVJ Dragons horde part one.
http://youtu.be/0KbqTWeJqxc
It would bring in more options.
GPL should have been the main currency to begin with and Lobi should just not exist as a currency if you ever watched the first episode of Voyager. fact is Lobi crystals got its 2 minuttes of fame with Quark trying to rip off ensign Kim and now it is the hardest currency to get in STO when it sheould be the easiest. But you know someone at the lead of Cryptic derped on that one.
I could go on about dilithium as a currency, it is only used in warp drives so i do not see how it is usefull in building a starbase in the billions of crystals or why anyone would trade 30k for a weapon.
Energy Credits? What is this california during the rolling blackouts and energy crisis? Need EC to get a reduction in the electric and gas bill from PG&E? Oh wait our warp core provides the majority of power and what it doesnt is provided from the fusion generators in the impulse engines. Energy is not a problem.
Meh the whole currency issue in STO is so messed up now it is pathetic. but NO dilithium for buying junk off the exchange!
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
At least in STO the ECs have a value along with dilithium. It's a perfect balance and it should be preserved as it is. Gold Pressed Latinum could be a bit more prevalent in some categories, it would be nice if Cryptic released some cosmetic items like clothing every now and then in a GPL store.
But people, trust me... leave the exchange as it is or economy will fare as in Neverwinter... virtually non-existent and full of exploits.