dilith for exchange instead of ec

givearandomname

Just currious as somebody who came here after playing neverwinter.

wondering how the community here would feel with a system like neverwinter has.

for thos who have never played it in that game astral diamonds Is the equal to dilth here.

the only diffrence is the auction house in neverwinter doesn't use gold < energy credits>

all the player traded equipment is bought and sold for astral diamonds. <dilithium>


I think would be cool feature for this game either make the exchange dilth based or make it option to sell your items for ec or dilth.

pro's I can think of is would make dilth a bit faster to aquire due to profit from sales it wuld increase company sales of zen as people would have even more reason to want to buy extra zen to exchange for dilth

downside all equipment becomes harder to get for lower level toons also the cost of items could go higher then what some players would like.

whats everyone elses opinion?

starkaos

Dilithium Exploits become more prevalent if one currency is used for almost everything. The biggest problem is players having to adjust to a new Exchange. Energy Credits become worthless. If the Exchange initially used Dilithium, then it wouldn't be a problem, but now it is too late.

brokenmirror2012

This bit of theorycraft would work in theory, if Dilithium was = to Diamonds...

However,

1dilithium>1Astral diamond

3Astral Diamond=1dilithium.

And Dilithium also has 100x more sinks.

Not only that, but it isn't just hard for low levels to get Dilithium, making Dilithium cap before level 45 is next to impossible. Which makes it IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who isn't level 50 to use this AH.

A Dilithium sink in this game is rediculus, I havnt played much of NW, but I hear they have it better.

Here we can make 8000dil/day And on average we sink 14k Dil. Which is... well higher then what we make. Assuming u have a fleet.

You can argue that u don't, but u really do. That Assimilated set we all have was a very very large amount of dil, About 2-4 weeks of grinding.

Not to mention you need hundreads of thousands of Dilithium to buy a ship, and you cant play the game without a Valid T5 ship, (well you can, but ur at a significant disadvantage)

The application COULD work, just not with the current system.

givearandomname

brokenmirror2012 wrote: »

This bit of theorycraft would work in theory, if Dilithium was = to Diamonds...

However,

1dilithium>1Astral diamond

3Astral Diamond=1dilithium.

And Dilithium also has 100x more sinks.

Not only that, but it isn't just hard for low levels to get Dilithium, making Dilithium cap before level 45 is next to impossible. Which makes it IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who isn't level 50 to use this AH.

A Dilithium sink in this game is rediculus, I havnt played much of NW, but I hear they have it better.

Here we can make 8000dil/day And on average we sink 14k Dil. Which is... well higher then what we make. Assuming u have a fleet.

You can argue that u don't, but u really do. That Assimilated set we all have was a very very large amount of dil, About 2-4 weeks of grinding.

Not to mention you need hundreads of thousands of Dilithium to buy a ship, and you cant play the game without a Valid T5 ship, (well you can, but ur at a significant disadvantage)

The application COULD work, just not with the current system.

i beg to differ its not nearly impossable to get dilth cap as early as 10 I know i do it every single day

lvl 10 sci cap make 8k a day on him 2k mineing 2149 foundry spotlight 480 per hour on foundry starbase 24 and gorn minefiled take about 10 to 15 min each can do it every 30 mins for another 480 each and if realy freaky explore strange new worlds mission 1449 to do 3 explore missions takes about 20 to 30 min depending on mission. also midterm another 480 for ansering question takes less then min.

thats over 7 k in about 2 hours and can be done at lvl 10


makeing the daily cap is not hard for any level it simply takes effort and knowledge of what and were to go.

wolfpacknz

In short, no... Just no... Grinding dil is already a pain in the guess where, and exchange prices are out of control for a lot of things anyways. Imagine the outcome combining those two in STO...

starkaos

Neverwinter has some major Astral Diamond sinks. If you want to upgrade your Companion or Mount to uncommon, rare, or very rare, then you are going to be using up a lot of astral diamonds.

bridgern

Only if every mission you do in this game gives dilithium from LV 1 - 50 and even than NO!

oldkirkfan

wolfpacknz wrote: »

In short, no... Just no... Grinding dil is already a pain in the guess where, and exchange prices are out of control for a lot of things anyways. Imagine the outcome combining those two in STO...

Come on Wolf... We are all mature players here.

You don't have to say "In the guess where". You can say "patootie".

jetwtf

There is already too many needs for dilithium as it is, converting the item exchange to a dilithium exchange would effectively make it where all you do everyday is grind dilithium. Forget about just having fun! you need to grind out that dilithium!

If they removed the whole ore bullpucky part of it and converted EC to dilithium in all the ways to get EC without 1 nerf then yeah sure convert it, 1 less currency is a good thing. BUT they need to add a new way to make ZEN since nobody will be selling it for dilithium and if they do it will be for crazy high amounts of dilithium per bringing back the grind.

So how about you go back to NW with the resulting answer of NO. :P:P:P:P

frtoaster

givearandomname wrote: »

Just currious as somebody who came here after playing neverwinter.

wondering how the community here would feel with a system like neverwinter has.

for thos who have never played it in that game astral diamonds Is the equal to dilth here.

the only diffrence is the auction house in neverwinter doesn't use gold < energy credits>

all the player traded equipment is bought and sold for astral diamonds. <dilithium>


I think would be cool feature for this game either make the exchange dilth based or make it option to sell your items for ec or dilth.

pro's I can think of is would make dilth a bit faster to aquire due to profit from sales it wuld increase company sales of zen as people would have even more reason to want to buy extra zen to exchange for dilth

downside all equipment becomes harder to get for lower level toons also the cost of items could go higher then what some players would like.

whats everyone elses opinion?

You may not be aware of this, but there is already a way to convert Zen to EC: Buy master keys or other desirable items like fleet ship modules from the C-store and sell them on the Exchange.

Currently, dilithium is harder to acquire than EC due to the daily refining cap, though you can work around this with multiple characters. Furthermore, there are currently more demands on dilithium than EC. The proportion of a player's EC income consumed by EC sinks (fleet projects and reputation projects) is smaller than the proportion of a player's income consumed by dilithium sinks (fleet projects and high-end gear).

givearandomname

jetwtf wrote: »

There is already too many needs for dilithium as it is, converting the item exchange to a dilithium exchange would effectively make it where all you do everyday is grind dilithium. Forget about just having fun! you need to grind out that dilithium!

If they removed the whole ore bullpucky part of it and converted EC to dilithium in all the ways to get EC without 1 nerf then yeah sure convert it, 1 less currency is a good thing. BUT they need to add a new way to make ZEN since nobody will be selling it for dilithium and if they do it will be for crazy high amounts of dilithium per bringing back the grind.

So how about you go back to NW with the resulting answer of NO. :P:P:P:P

what you just said supports a system like this not argue against it because as it is now all you do is grind dilth and have to do it on multiple chars at least

with a system like this you would't have to grind it on multiple toons

and as for your comments about nobody would sell dilth for zen lol i am willing to bet they sell more zen in neverwinter then sto easly so to you learn a little economics more demand = more sales not the other way around

THE THING ALL OF YOU AGAINST ARE MISSIGN IS THIS LITTLE FACT

all thos nice little drops you put on the exchange for ec now would sell for dilth

let me break it down in terms maybe people will understand

my char on neverwinter at 60 in 3 days earned over 6000 zen for thos that can't read so good

3 days earned enough diamonds on the exchange for 6000 zen

not going to log on and get exact diamond to zen = dollars ratio but its pretty much equal to dilth to zen = dollars

thats just 3 days selling not going to go into detals all the diamonds i have made and turned into zen as would make post to long.

let me see any of you make 6000 zen in 3 days with current system hell try and earn 6000 zen in a month and good luck doing it.

lter

That could work if Dilithium werent capped at 8k daily, I've heard that Neverwinter is something like 20k daily, but I'm not sure about that. But in the case they'd consider that, I'll be with this idea.

notapwefan

The current system is just fine. It may not be the best but it is fine.
daily dil grinding by playing (doff or shooting whatever suits you) which can be used to buy fleet stuff, dumped into fleet projects or goes to dil exchange.

you don't have to equip your all toons with best of the best gear, unless you are really some kind of psychopath sentimental type

I don't have problems to hit the daily dil cap but again I have one toon which I play.

Please no astral diamonds or some TRIBBLE from Winterland. It can stay there.

givearandomname

lter wrote: »

That could work if Dilithium werent capped at 8k daily, I've heard that Neverwinter is something like 20k daily, but I'm not sure about that. But in the case they'd consider that, I'll be with this idea.

its caped at 24k a day but it doesn't matter if its 24k a day or 8k or 2k the value is still the same

example you make 24k a day 1 zen goes for about 345 diamonds in sto you get 8k a day 1 zen goes for 125 or so thats

so as you see you get 1/3 the amount per day but its still worth the same zen wise if we got 24k dilth aday the price of zen would only increase its simple economics

lter

notapwefan wrote: »

unless you are really some kind of psychopath sentimental type

Or unless you like pvp.

notapwefan

lter wrote: »

Or unless you like pvp.

now who would do pvp with each and every toon in arsenal? One toon for PvE and one toon for PvP sounds understandable but the army of clones for PvE and/or PvP sounds a new undiscovered level of insanity :rolleyes:

angelphoenix12

givearandomname wrote: »

my char on neverwinter at 60 in 3 days earned over 6000 zen for thos that can't read so good

3 days earned enough diamonds on the exchange for 6000 zen

not going to log on and get exact diamond to zen = dollars ratio but its pretty much equal to dilth to zen = dollars

thats just 3 days selling not going to go into detals all the diamonds i have made and turned into zen as would make post to long.

let me see any of you make 6000 zen in 3 days with current system hell try and earn 6000 zen in a month and good luck doing it.

and what you are missing is if something works for 1 game there is no guarantee it would work for other games.
this is star trek this game has a lot of ways to spend dil as is; it does not need another way.

givearandomname

angelphoenix12 wrote: »

and what you are missing is if something works for 1 game there is no guarantee it would work for other games.
this is star trek this game has a lot of ways to spend dil as is; it does not need another way.

your absolutely right things are better way they are instead of grinding one currency you get to waste your time grinding two then grind some marks makeing it 3 this way you get to waste even more time

instead of one currency to buy your upgrades and ec to buy your consumables.

i surrender to the ignorant masses and let folks grind it out the hard way thos who know better would much rather sell that mk xii item they got on the ah for enough dilth to go to fleet and buy that item they realy wanted.

and thos who don't have access to the good fleet gea would be happy to spend there dilth on the exchange to get the mk xii item they prob would't be able to get otherwise.

psychickitty

givearandomname wrote: »

Just currious as somebody who came here after playing neverwinter.

wondering how the community here would feel with a system like neverwinter has.

for thos who have never played it in that game astral diamonds Is the equal to dilth here.

the only diffrence is the auction house in neverwinter doesn't use gold < energy credits>

all the player traded equipment is bought and sold for astral diamonds. <dilithium>


I think would be cool feature for this game either make the exchange dilth based or make it option to sell your items for ec or dilth.

pro's I can think of is would make dilth a bit faster to aquire due to profit from sales it wuld increase company sales of zen as people would have even more reason to want to buy extra zen to exchange for dilth

downside all equipment becomes harder to get for lower level toons also the cost of items could go higher then what some players would like.

whats everyone elses opinion?

I think your first sentence kind of answers the question.

You came here from neverwinter.

If the astral diamond system was so great why would you ever leave it.

Short answer is that its a terrible system. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to notice.
otherwise you wouldnt be in a different game.

Nor would all those people have left that game.

Not to mention the constant exploits and cheating that go on in neverwinter....and the saddest part is that every single gold selling site has billions of astral diamonds to sell...in fact they had them when the game first started.....if they didn't cheat or exploit they wouldn't have billions to mess around with....and yet cryptic didn't lift a finger to do anything......they said they did...but they did diddly.

givearandomname

psychickitty wrote: »

I think your first sentence kind of answers the question.

You came here from neverwinter.

If the astral diamond system was so great why would you ever leave it.

Short answer is that its a terrible system. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to notice.
otherwise you would be in a different game.

Nor would allthose people have left that game.

actualy i still play strange concept but people actualy do play more then one game as matter of fact I just checked my mail made another 400k diamonds sadly nothing left i need zen for

and never said they did everything right starting people off with 2.5 million diamonds was wrong thos thousans of starter packs with 2.5 mil diamonds each is were alot of thos millions you speak of came from were you think most of thos diamonds went? straight to the zen exchange were the gold sites taded them zen in exchange then sold said diamonds to players for real cash at a profit cause the average gamer isn't smart enough to know better and relize they could have just bought zen and traded it for the diamonds themselves

lter

notapwefan wrote: »

now who would do pvp with each and every toon in arsenal? One toon for PvE and one toon for PvP sounds understandable but the army of clones for PvE and/or PvP sounds a new undiscovered level of insanity :rolleyes:

What? NO! It's pretty simple: You'll want to have you tac-escort-trek-online character, I know I'd want it, now I'm stuck with my sci-sci character, but I'd also want a sci-escort one and I dont want to reset my skills every time I swap ships, you'll also want your KDF BoP experience, now, hell, you want fo fly a Scimitar, and of course you'll probrably want to fly your tac-a2b-cruiser, and you'd may even want to use an engineer!


Yeah you can do all that in PVE almost naked and have your fun, but if you also wanna PVP with all those toys, you'll need your borg/rom/omega stuff, your elite fleet shields, warpcores and some enh.neutronium, expensive as $$$ doffs, and no talk about all reputations at t5 for the insanely op skills they give you...

psychickitty

givearandomname wrote: »

actualy i still play strange concept but people actualy do play more then one game

yep but you are taking the time to post on a differing games forum...thus are spending more time with this game then that one.

Again the proof is in the posting.

givearandomname

psychickitty wrote: »

yep but you are taking the time to post on a differing games forum...thus are spending more time with this game then that one.

Again the proof is in the posting.

so by posting here i don't play there what if i go post in the everquest fourms does that mean i don't play star trek?

lol your funny makeing a post doen't mean you don't play a game or do play a game for all you know i play star trek 15 min a day and 12 hours a day in never winter or the other way around makeing a post tells you absolutely nothing about how much time i spend in either game.

angelphoenix12

givearandomname wrote: »

your absolutely right things are better way they are instead of grinding one currency you get to waste your time grinding two then grind some marks makeing it 3 this way you get to waste even more time

instead of one currency to buy your upgrades and ec to buy your consumables.

i surrender to the ignorant masses and let folks grind it out the hard way thos who know better would much rather sell that mk xii item they got on the ah for enough dilth to go to fleet and buy that item they realy wanted.

and thos who don't have access to the good fleet gea would be happy to spend there dilth on the exchange to get the mk xii item they prob would't be able to get otherwise.

what are you even talking about dilith is not necessary to play the game. there is only 1 currency that this game needs and that is energy credits.
the people who want those purple mk 12's do what I do I grind for them or someone gives them to me. or they can do doff missions and get purple mk 11's.

angelphoenix12

givearandomname wrote: »

so by posting here i don't play there what if i go post in the everquest fourms does that mean i don't play star trek?

lol your funny makeing a post doen't mean you don't play a game or do play a game for all you know i play star trek 15 min a day and 12 hours a day in never winter or the other way around makeing a post tells you absolutely nothing about how much time i spend in either game.

no what he is saying is your trying to change a game you don't play into something that has ways to cheat.

he hasn't said anything about not posting here, all he said was if you don't like it here go back to neverwinter.
why haven't you posted this suggestion on the champions boards?

psychickitty

givearandomname wrote: »

and never said they did everything right starting people off with 2.5 million diamonds was wrong thos thousans of starter packs with 2.5 mil diamonds each is were alot of thos millions you speak of came from were you think most of thos diamonds went? straight to the zen exchange were the gold sites taded them zen in exchange then sold said diamonds to players for real cash at a profit cause the average gamer isn't smart enough to know better and relize they could have just bought zen and traded it for the diamonds themselves

actually you miss read what I said...I said billions not millions.

And this was from day one...as in sites like IXGE where sending me spam to sell me millions of diamonds....100,000k diamonds for only 50 dollars or something like that.

And day one as in the jumpstart for getting special edition pack which gave the spider mount and renegade drow race...and the bonus 2.5 million diamonds.

jetwtf

givearandomname wrote: »

what you just said supports a system like this not argue against it because as it is now all you do is grind dilth and have to do it on multiple chars at least

Snip

Please read my post a tad more OR snip it down to what you are replying to, Either way i am against the idea as per my final sentance/paragraph.

givearandomname

psychickitty wrote: »

actually you miss read what I said...I said billions not millions.

And this was from day one...as in sites like IXGE where sending me spam to sell me millions of diamonds....100,000k diamonds for only 50 dollars or something like that.

And day one as in the jumpstart for getting special edition pack which gave the spider mount and renegade drow race...and the bonus 2.5 million diamonds.

100k diamonds for 50 bucks now thats a scam the highest I have ever seen the diamonds to zen exchange rate was 380 even at that price 100k diamonds would be 263 zen less then 5 bucks

going by scam sites like that you can't get a real picture of how much diamonds are realy out there nobody truely knows how much is realy out there but the developers and there not telling

yes in the begining there was some ways to exploit and earn millions of diamonds but the largest majority were takeing out sure they missed some but from what i seen they got most of them other wise the price of diamonds would have fluxuated alot more then they did.

psychickitty

givearandomname wrote: »

so by posting here i don't play there what if i go post in the everquest fourms does that mean i don't play star trek?

lol your funny makeing a post doen't mean you don't play a game or do play a game for all you know i play star trek 15 min a day and 12 hours a day in never winter or the other way around makeing a post tells you absolutely nothing about how much time i spend in either game.

actually it tells me a lot when you respond, and the fact that accounts are the same on all the perfect world games we can see you have not posted once in neverwinter or any other game.

I expect a quick response saying.....something like..."I am using a differing account" or better still "I play on brother's/uncle's/sister's machine"

but then we are getting off topic.....so you have been told why the system on neverwinter fails....and why it wont work here....so

Now post some reasons you think it would work here...why it wont be exploited and why your think its superior.

I mean spamville neverwinter has such a wonderful system..why ever would you ignore neverwinter and post here after all.

givearandomname

angelphoenix12 wrote: »

what are you even talking about dilith is not necessary to play the game. there is only 1 currency that this game needs and that is energy credits.
the people who want those purple mk 12's do what I do I grind for them or someone gives them to me. or they can do doff missions and get purple mk 11's.

other then consumeables what do you realy need ec for?

i have found nothing that haveing more then few million ec would be needed on daily basis i don't think i spend more then 100k if lucky and make 500 to 600k just from running one foundry

only thing you need large amounts of ec for is if you wish to buy one of the lobi ships or one of the other ships thats tradeable.

angelphoenix12

givearandomname wrote: »

other then consumeables what do you realy need ec for?

i have found nothing that haveing more then few million ec would be needed on daily basis i don't think i spend more then 100k if lucky and make 500 to 600k just from running one foundry

only thing you need large amounts of ec for is if you wish to buy one of the lobi ships or one of the other ships thats tradeable.

how I play I don't buy consums not once I use drops, I do however use ecs extensively to buy rare boffs equipment and such and im willing to bet 12 mil ec I am not the only 1 who plays like this. ph you are also forgetting training boffs in new powers.