Outrageous price for commander level tac warbird D:<

haddenham1

This is an in general rant to cryptic:

I am glad to see that there are some new ships available to the Romulan faction. The only vocation I play is Tactical and just a couple days ago I decided to create my first Romulan Tactical Officer. I have had fun with up up until last night when I had obtained level 30. I had a few federation ship choices and only a single Warbird to get. the D'deredix Warbird Battle Cruiser. Big, slow, unwieldy, yet it was my only choice for a pure Romulan setup. So I went to the ship yard, got the free Battle cruiser, and went to bed. I wake up and there is now Tactical warbirds. I cant be mad about it, I should have read up on the new patch content or something. So yeah, I am unable to redeem a free tactical warbird because I got a d'deridix cruiser right before server maintenance.

What I am mad about is this, I got excited went to the shipyard and was going to buy the tactical romulan warbird with some energy credits, yay! Nope, at some point you guys changed it from EC's to refined dilithium. Its at this point I done the math and got angry. That commander lvel ship costs 80,000 (Eighty Thousand) refined dilithium. That price for any none admiral level ship is Outrageous. You do realize that a character can only refine 8,000 dilithium per day right? You do also realize that it will take a few days for any average player to obtain 8,000 dilithium to refine right? Even if its best case scenario, if you can reach the 8,000 dilithium per day, it will still take Ten Days to refine it. Im sorry no player, not one single noob, not one single veteran player takes 10 days to reach the next rank. Let me put it to you another way. With EVERY mission that gives a player dilithium to refine it also give you expereince points and expertise amng other things. You will receive more exp than you will dilithium. by the time you get 1 quater the amount of dilithium you would need (that is 20,000 dilithium) you would have already been an admiral. Do the math. What is the point in charging so much dilithium to buy a ship? No one can get that amount of dilithium without reaching another level. By the time you do have that amount of dilithium you will be level 50. At that time there is no point, no reason to buy that commander level ship aside from just saying you have it. yeah great, its not that good of a ship, its only a ship for a commander and its free. But for people like me, I would like to have that option to buy it or get it for free the day you drop a bombshell like this. Please to go, re-evaluate the worth of your non C-store ship prices. Please put it back to energy credits, and make it affordable to ALL players.

I am not complaining that its so hard to get, I am mad because it is impossible to get that ship at commander level 30-39.

corelogik

C-Store ships have been Zen or Dilithium for ages,... it was never EC as far as I know,...

As for the rest, 80k isn't that much and is inline with all the other pricings ranging from 80 to 120k,.... In fact I don't think they sell a ship that's NOT a shuttle or fighter, for less,...

robdmc

The did this back during the emblem to dill cut over around the s5 changes. What your rant should be about is that it is not even possible for a level 30 - 40 captain to make much dilithium at all since most dilithium is made via emblem level missions which are va missions. you can get some in stfs at level 45 but at that point it is too late.

The only place for a captain at level 30 to make dilithium is by the foundry, pvp and tribble petting for 5 dil/hr.

reginamala78

All T4 ships cost 80k dil. You get one for free at rank up, any extras cost dil. Thats not even close to a new thing. The new free ship is for new characters. If you already used for Lvl30 token on a D'deridex, just use your D'deridex.

gholendhor

I'd have liked to see a fleet ship for romulans that you can get with just fleet credits.they have it for Federation characters and Kligons(not sure about Klingons since I don't have a Klingon)

z3ndor99

Since dillithium was introduce the any other standard ship ( not c-store ) has cost dillithium. Standard shuttles cost ec.

haddenham1

I think you guys are misunderstanding what I am talking about. This is not a c-store ship. This is not a rear-admiral ship. This is a ship for people that is lvl 30. Dosnt matter if you are new to the game, or have been playing since beta. THere is no way to get a second ship at that level with 80,000 dilithium. the price is outrageous. a few years ago, you could simply buy a second ship with energy credits if you didnt like your chice or wanted to change things up. 80,000 dilithium is not an amount of dilithium you can obtain at level 30. I am level 30, it is impossible for me to get that ship before I level up. Thats what I am saying. No player can get 80,000 dilithium at lvel 30 to buy that ship. If you can, I challenge you do post a youtube video or a strategy guide.

I can understand the price for a low level ship being so huge for a level 50 Vice Admiral, but damn, they need to adjust the price for these ships for people at a low level. The price needs to be adjusted for the worth of the craft at a particular level. it shouldnt cost no more than 1 maybe 2 thousand refined dilithium for that ship. Because thats ALL the dilithium I have been able to obtain since level 5. It should not be a vice admiral price for a commander ship for a commander level player.

gholendhor

Let's see,at that level you can do the war zone mission,a foundry mission,go mining in two places(if your fleet has a good Dilithium mine).you can also do all the duty officer missions that give away dilithium and hope a few have critical success.do an exploration mission.Go to each sector of space and do a red alert mission.the point is it is possible to get your 8000 a day to refine,it will take a lot of time from your day,and you can have your new ship in 10 days

reginamala78

haddenham1 wrote: »

I think you guys are misunderstanding what I am talking about.

I think we do get what you're talking about. I can't speak for years ago, but in the 18 months I've been playing, a level 30-39 ship has always been 80k dil. It means you have to pick your ship carefully, because odds are you aren't getting a second one. Lots of people have learned to handle the D'deridex, or stuck by their Mogai. Both options work. And you'll be 40 in like 3 days anyways. Its not work the rant.

baudl

haddenham1 wrote: »

I am not complaining that its so hard to get, I am mad because it is impossible to get that ship at commander level 30-39.

not impossible, just open your wallet and throw some damn money on cryptic and you can have your ship.

virusdancer

T4 is a level 30 ship.
T5 is level 40 through 50, including RA, VA, Fleet, and Lockbox.

80k Dil for a T4/level 30 ship...is the standard price.

8000 for T1 (Starter)
15000 for T2 (Level 10)
40000 for T3 (Level 20)
80000 for T4 (Level 30)
200000 for T5 (RA, Level 40)

warmaker001b

corelogik wrote: »

C-Store ships have been Zen or Dilithium for ages,... it was never EC as far as I know,...

As for the rest, 80k isn't that much and is inline with all the other pricings ranging from 80 to 120k,.... In fact I don't think they sell a ship that's NOT a shuttle or fighter, for less,...

In the earliest days of STO, all ships were purchasable for EC. There were no c-store ships :cool:

Getting a Negh'var upon reaching BGen (max rank back then) only costed like 200k EC.

knuhteb5

virusdancer wrote: »

T4 is a level 30 ship.
T5 is level 40 through 50, including RA, VA, Fleet, and Lockbox.

80k Dil for a T4/level 30 ship...is the standard price.

8000 for T1 (Starter)
15000 for T2 (Level 10)
40000 for T3 (Level 20)
80000 for T4 (Level 30)
200000 for T5 (RA, Level 40)

You aren't addressing the OP's concerns. Explain why those prices at those tiers are reasonable if by the time you've grinded enough dilithium for the other ship, you've leveled up to the next rank. Where's the logic in that? Why have those other options then if they aren't feasible?

reginamala78

knuhteb5 wrote: »

You aren't addressing the OP's concerns. Explain why those prices at those tiers are reasonable if by the time you've grinded enough dilithium for the other ship, you've leveled up to the next rank. Where's the logic in that? Which have those other options then if they aren't feasible?

To prevent you from ginding and instead to get you to pay actual money.

grouchyotaku

warmaker001b wrote: »

In the earliest days of STO, all ships were purchasable for EC. There were no c-store ships :cool:

Getting a Negh'var upon reaching BGen (max rank back then) only costed like 200k EC.

And in the earliest days, STO was subscription only, and not F2P... Where do you think the money to run STO comes from???

knuhteb5

reginamala78 wrote: »

To prevent you from ginding and instead to get you to pay actual money.

Here's your answer OP. Devs went from one extreme to the other (ships costing reasonable amounts of ec to exorbitant dilithium costs).

knuhteb5

grouchyotaku wrote: »

And in the earliest days, STO was subscription only, and not F2P... Where do you think the money to run STO comes from???

Mostly from lock box ship sales. C-store sales are peanuts compared to how much mula they make from the chance boxes.

theindefatigable

Yes, Cryptic/PWE needs to make money, but I think most of us can agree that ships purchasable with dilithium are overpriced even compared to C-store ships. Romulans in particular are faced with this issue in an interesting way at endgame because since there are no C-store variants of the Ha'nom and Ha'feh, a Romulan is faced with the necessity of buying one of those with dilithium even if s/he owns the Haakona if said Rommie wants both ships. At current dilithium prices, the cost seems high for a per-character unlock and particularly considering that mirror variants of those ships are easily obtainable (but not quite a direct replacement).

haddenham1

Again there is a misunderstanding son. I said I challenge you to make a video or guide on how to make 80,000 dilithium BEFORE you level up. By the time you are done with these warzones, PVP missions, duty officer missions, I would be level 50. in 10 days of grinding for that limited amount of Dilithium, I Would be level 50 before I could buy that ship.

2ndly, I already have better ships to use. I can use my Thunderchild at this level and be happy. I do not need that tactical warbird. I do not need to open my wallet.

The whole point of my topic isn't about not having the ship. The point of this is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to obtain a second ship at any given level. I understand that ship marks and others in the mark system were converted to dilithium. Understand this, that the free ship plaque is just the same as the free ship token you get now every time you advance a rank. After you spent that, year ago, you guys buy another ship with energy credits. I understand that now it is dilithium that is used to buy a second ship. what I can not comprehend is why they charge so much for any low level ship. I don't understand why I can get other Standard ships of the same tier, rank, quality at less than half that price. Why is the heavy escort, heavy cruiser, research science vessel only around 40,000 dilithium , when the romulan d'deredix and tactical warbird are 80,000? TO be honest, 40,000 is still an outrageous price for the average player. 40k is still unreasonable.

yes its possible to buy that ship. It is Impossible to buy that ship before reaching level 50. Unless I buy zen, sell it on the exchange for dilithium, then transfer that dilithium to my character.

Let me do the math for you. Right now, this second, Dilithium is being bought and sold at 127 dilithium per zen. The ship costs 88,000 dilithium. Divid 88,000 into 127 pieces, that equals 692.913... Zen. THat is almost 700 Zen. I could buy the damned c-store version of that ship with that amount of zen! 700 zen = the retrofit. Why is the value of that standard warbird Equal to the retrofit version? Thats with the market for dili/zen conversion being high. on avereage one get even more zen when the price goes back down to 100-115 dilithium per zen. its up now due to the jem'hadar attack ship.

The price is too much. THe price for that ship needs to be lowered. drastically lowered for regular, non 10 day grindings to get another ship. its ridiculous.

reginamala78

haddenham1 wrote: »

The price is too much. THe price for that ship needs to be lowered. drastically lowered for regular, non 10 day grindings to get another ship. its ridiculous.

It also doesn't matter. You'll be driving a Ha'feh in a week at most. By the end of tomorrow, if you hit a Mirror Event and run a couple of story missions. You're going ballistic over a mild inconvenience. There are things in this game worth getting annoyed over, but this isn't one of them. You have to fly a DD for a few days. Or use your Mogai a little while longer, which is totally doable (how I did it on my tac). Life goes on, and your DD will be gathering dust before you know it.

haddenham1

theindefatigable wrote: »

Yes, Cryptic/PWE needs to make money, but I think most of us can agree that ships purchasable with dilithium are overpriced even compared to C-store ships. Romulans in particular are faced with this issue in an interesting way at endgame because since there are no C-store variants of the Ha'nom and Ha'feh, a Romulan is faced with the necessity of buying one of those with dilithium even if s/he owns the Haakona if said Rommie wants both ships. At current dilithium prices, the cost seems high for a per-character unlock and particularly considering that mirror variants of those ships are easily obtainable (but not quite a direct replacement).

Exactly! Thats my whole point of this topic. Yes you are correct that all ships are over priced for the romulan side. But this much for a standard ship? a non unique, non rare, non c-store ship is 80,000 dilithium? No player can obtain that without buying zen to convert to dilithium. the amount of zen required to do do that is more expensive then buying the damned c-store variant.

The ship in question is the AR'KIF Tactical Warbird. Look it up at the rommy shipyard. The c-store variant of that very ship is the AR'KALA Tactical Warbird. It comes with Quad Plasma cannons! An extra tactical slot, better stats. Both ships with Cryptics current dilithium vs zen pricing the ships cost the same.

theindefatigable

I agree. Most players at that level will pick one ship to use and spend their free ship token, or buy and use C-store ships, but for a player in your situation (having spent the free token on another ship right before this nifty new "free-but-not-for-you" ship came out) it stinks.

neoakiraii

This has been like this since F2P started and now you notice?? :eek:


Is this one of those it's not my problem till it is my problem threads?

jorantomalak

The OP is saying 80K dil is impossible to get?

I can get 80K dil in about 2-3 days its not hard if you know how to grind for dil

so stop whining princess and get to grinding dil if you want your shiny

edwardianed

haddenham1 wrote: »

I said I challenge you to make a video or guide on how to make 80,000 dilithium BEFORE you level up.

haddenham1 wrote: »

Unless I buy zen, sell it on the exchange for dilithium, then transfer that dilithium to my character.

Well done for successfully answering to your own challenge.

meimeitoo

corelogik wrote: »

C-Store ships have been Zen or Dilithium for ages,... it was never EC as far as I know,...

As for the rest, 80k isn't that much and is inline with all the other pricings ranging from 80 to 120k,.... In fact I don't think they sell a ship that's NOT a shuttle or fighter, for less,...

^^ This.

Not sure what game the OP has been plasying of late, but, far as memory goes back, C-store/shipyard vessels were never for sale for EC.

And 80,000 Dilithium? You lucky, priviliged, Rom b*stard! :P Our Fed (Dilithium) ships usually cost 200,000 Dilithium.

Pro-tip: don't buy Dilithium ships to begin with: they're usually TRIBBLE. Get yourself 20,000 fleet credits and some ship modules, and treat yourself to a real ship. Or get one from the C-Store.

coupaholic

meimeitoo wrote: »

Pro-tip: don't buy Dilithium ships to begin with: they're usually TRIBBLE. Get yourself 20,000 fleet credits and some ship modules, and treat yourself to a real ship. Or get one from the C-Store.

Agreed.

If it is reasonable to guess a fleet version of that ship will be made available I'd wait until it arrives. Much easier to farm EC for modules than it is to grind dil, and 20k FC can be earned in no time at all.

hasukurobi

Well I hear you OP. I do not get why everyone else wants to say "Well every other ship is like that too."... Yeah and those are also WAY too expensive.

Unless we are talking an end level ship there should never be a Dil cost higher than 10 to 20K period.

erei1

jorantomalak wrote: »

The OP is saying 80K dil is impossible to get?

I can get 80K dil in about 2-3 days its not hard if you know how to grind for dil

so stop whining princess and get to grinding dil if you want your shiny

80K dil at lvl30 is impossible to get. You'll be 50 by the time you grind enough dil, doing a lot of annoying missions (no stf at 30).

Also, 80K dil, with an average 113 dil/zen, is worth 708zen (635 with the current rate, which is inflated). To have that much zen, you need to buy the 1100 zen pack. With 1K zen, you can buy the Cstore version of the lvl30 ship, and have a more powerful ship, and the quad plasma cannon.

So, you have the choice of : grinding dil and reach 50 before buying the ship (making it useless), buy 1K zen and buy a useless ship instead of a good C store ship, use alts to grind the dil (knowing your character will be 50 by the end of the week anyway).

Anyway, 500-700zen for a free ship is expensive.

jockey1979

meimeitoo wrote: »

^^ This.

Not sure what game the OP has been plasying of late, but, far as memory goes back, C-store/shipyard vessels were never for sale for EC.

Congratulations, you're an idiot!

When the game came out, once you used your free ship token, all the non c-store ships were listed for sale with EC, the expensive ones were 250,000 EC for RA level.

So, unless you know what you're talking about, shut the F up.

As for the OP, I actually understand you mate, yes the current system makes no sense and while you level a character you won't be having a 2nd or 3rd ship like you could in the old days.

I knew the move to Dill was going to be a con, a single currency, yea right, biggest lie and con ever

captainrevo1

I agree the pricing is ridiculously high and quite impractical to obtain. once you grind out that much you will be well beyond level 40 anyway and back to getting another free ship.

this is basically there to get you to splash some cash to buy it. at first this was not terrible as the dilithium exchange was quite high so you at least go some decent dilithium for a few $ but now its quite low and if you wanted to spend money you might as well just buy the advanced c-store ship and be done with it.

considering you can get the ship for free but if you make a mistake (of they release a ship after you have the free one then you are kind of stuck. Its not the end of the world as the OP can muddle though with his d'deridex but I think a review of the pricing is in order just to make it semi practical at least.