Minor note: We're updating the 2 piece set bonus to also give a bonus to Starship Energy Weapon Specialization skill. This way you receive a moderate bump in energy damage output even if you opt not to use all Plasma weapons.
Why do you guys hate Torps so much?
75% innate resistance.
Singularity Ability: Energy Weapons - Singularity Overcharge.
Reputation: Enhanced Shield Penetration (Your directed energy attacks...)
Etc, etc, etc.
To be honest, the only real problem is the boff seating.
As it stands there is no reason to get this ship if you are a vet, and/or you have any of the other current (T'Varo, Dhelan, Mogai and Ha'Feh) warbirds.
Make it a Vesta clone, or the very least a Cmdr Science station, and you will have a place for it
The Talvath is the only one that can match the BOFF seating, but you're still going to have console differences, turn differences, hull, shield mod, subsystem power, gear...and...one is going to be a Zen ship while the other is a Lobi/Exchange ship.
edit: And in the end, it's a Tactical Warbird...not a Science Warbird. Which does raise the question (Oh, another Tac boat?)...meh.
A Rom Vesta down the road, heh - well, like all Rom boats or boats that Roms fly...it would be better because of the Romulan BOFFs. Even the R'Mor are more better than the Wells/Korath because of that. Any lockbox ship is better with a Rom because of that. Any Rom clone of another ship would be better because of that.
Minor note: We're updating the 2 piece set bonus to also give a bonus to Starship Energy Weapon Specialization skill. This way you receive a moderate bump in energy damage output even if you opt not to use all Plasma weapons.
Now I have to ask:
Is the Defiant (and the KDF ship that has Quads) going to get an update to the VA ship console (the cloak console on the Defiant, not sure that there is a KDF VA ship) so that they get a set bonus as well?
It seems rather unfair that the New Hotness get a set bonus for their Quad using ships and that the First-Born and Stepchild get left out.
Formerly Known as Protector from June 2008 to June 20, 2012
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
To be honest, the only real problem is the boff seating.
As it stands there is no reason to get this ship if you are a vet, and/or you have any of the other current (T'Varo, Dhelan, Mogai and Ha'Feh) warbirds.
Make it a Vesta clone, or the very least a Cmdr Science station, and you will have a place for it
Speaking as a lifetime vet and a legacy pack owner.
I personally love the boff setup. Just complaining about it because it's not a science ship is old. Seriously, it's just getting really old hearing that. yes roms need sci ships but this isn't one of them. Ad you could actually have 5 sci boff stations if you want which is really nice.
Also, probably my biggest reason for wanting this ship is that it's very similar to the ha'feh but with more surviability with the uni and much much better looking. IMO this is actually the best looking rom ship.
@Devs: in addition to the missing reman skins, just a reminder that the maco engines when equipped show the maco graphic but still show the romulan one as well.
Is the Defiant (and the KDF ship that has Quads) going to get an update to the VA ship console (the cloak console on the Defiant, not sure that there is a KDF VA ship) so that they get a set bonus as well?
It seems rather unfair that the New Hotness get a set bonus for their Quad using ships and that the First-Born and Stepchild get left out.
We'd love to do set bonuses for many/all of the Refit and Retrofit ships that could have them. They have to fight for time on the schedule, but at some point we'd like to be able to update them.
Jeff "Adjudicator Hawk" Hamilton
Systems Designer - Cryptic Studios
Twitter: @JeffAHamilton
Is the Defiant (and the KDF ship that has Quads) going to get an update to the VA ship console (the cloak console on the Defiant, not sure that there is a KDF VA ship) so that they get a set bonus as well?
It seems rather unfair that the New Hotness get a set bonus for their Quad using ships and that the First-Born and Stepchild get left out.
This is something...well, it's a trend - wasn't just the original boats, but here we have a non-3pack boat where the same is happening. Kind of makes one look at the various Fed & KDF ships in general, eh?
They changed the Excelsior/Excelsior Retro. The Steamrunner Retro doesn't have a console. The B'rel Retro doesn't have a console. The Norgh Refit has the Disruptor Quads, but there's no Norgh Retro. The Vor'cha Retro doesn't have a console. So there are no KDF boats to 2pc.
We'd love to do set bonuses for many/all of the Refit and Retrofit ships that could have them. They have to fight for time on the schedule, but at some point we'd like to be able to update them.
There's only 4...and they're Fed.
It's just a case of looking at this being a precedent...are all of the future Refit/Retro, Ship/Retro, etc - that are Rom going to do this?
I mean, there's little reason not to fly Rom for so many reasons (yes, there will be the folks that don't care and will fly whatever...heh, I do that for the most part)...and well, that's not going to change until the Cardassians or Liberated Borg, eh? That will be the new hotness and forget about those wussy Roms. Depending on which is next, when the next one after comes out...the next will be forgotten in favor of the one after...
edit: Heh, I have to be honest...if it were +Weapons Training instead of +Energy Weapons...la, la, la...I might not have said anything.
My only problem with it that will prevent me from buying it is the ensign engineer boff
Ever since LoR buffed up emergency powers it made it so where you have to run damage control doffs to keep EPTE and EPTS up full time to keep up with other escorts in pvp. This means if I have to waste space on damage control doffs I only want a single Lt eng or Lt Cmdr eng station so I can run epte1 and either epts2 or epts3. I own a JHAS and hardly use it anymore because of that. I don't want another ensign station with these setups because there is nothing else to good to put there that doesn't share a cooldown with anything else im using.
Either move that ensign to sci or make it universal or nerf epte so I can get away with 2x epts again or there is no chance I buy it.
I would like this boff layout, whether it has universals or not doesn't matter to me as long as I can make this layout with it I will buy it.
We'd love to do set bonuses for many/all of the Refit and Retrofit ships that could have them. They have to fight for time on the schedule, but at some point we'd like to be able to update them.
Thanks for answering me.
Btw -- if you want to have people fly the "Hero" Fed ships (Defiant, Galaxy, Intrepid), one thing that would go a LONG way to "fixing" them is to have the Fleet Versions take that really useless Ensign BOff (Tac, Eng and Sci, respectively), and make it a universal. That and giving them 2-piece set bonuses would have me at least, flying them again.
Oh and as to this ship: I really like it, handles fine and it seems fine as is (minus the actual bugs people have already pointed to).
Sorry for the derail, but I really want to fly the Hero Ships.
Formerly Known as Protector from June 2008 to June 20, 2012
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
I've noticed a bug with the Annihilation mode animation; when cloaked in the Ar'kif Retrofit if Annihilation mode is deactivated the animation played is the ship decloaking. The ship returns to the appearance it has when decloaked and Annihilation mode is not active. The cloaking power itself though remains active.
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Btw -- if you want to have people fly the "Hero" Fed ships (Defiant, Galaxy, Intrepid), one thing that would go a LONG way to "fixing" them is to have the Fleet Versions take that really useless Ensign BOff (Tac, Eng and Sci, respectively), and make it a universal. That and giving them 2-piece set bonuses would have me at least, flying them again.
Oh and as to this ship: I really like it, handles fine and it seems fine as is (minus the actual bugs people have already pointed to).
Sorry for the derail, but I really want to fly the Hero Ships.
yeah i would love to go to my fleet defiant with a 2 piece bonus and a uni ensign boff. would probably never leave that ship lol
I've noticed a bug with the Annihilation mode animation; when cloaked in the Ar'kif Retrofit if Annihilation mode is deactivated the animation played is the ship decloaking. The ship returns to the appearance it has when decloaked and Annihilation mode is not active. The cloaking power itself though remains active.
I had the same experience, wile cloaked I activated the Annihilation mode and had no problems. When I deactivated the annihilation mode the ship seemed to decloak it self, when I clicked the cloak button to re-cloak nothing happens, after the cool down from the failed re-cloak times out I was able to re-cloak as normal.
Tested out the animation, same cloak bug as everyone else, loving the animation though looks really cool. might use it from time to time in normal missions. Doubt i'd ever use it in elite due to the massive power loss with the quads and the console.
Also, just reporting again:
Default inpulse trails are not removed when using MACO engines
No Reman skins.
Speaking as a lifetime vet and a legacy pack owner.
I personally love the boff setup. Just complaining about it because it's not a science ship is old. Seriously, it's just getting really old hearing that. yes roms need sci ships but this isn't one of them. Ad you could actually have 5 sci boff stations if you want which is really nice.
Also, probably my biggest reason for wanting this ship is that it's very similar to the ha'feh but with more surviability with the uni and much much better looking. IMO this is actually the best looking rom ship.
@Devs: in addition to the missing reman skins, just a reminder that the maco engines when equipped show the maco graphic but still show the romulan one as well.
First of all i dont think any1 cares if you speak as a vet or a legacy pack buyer. Lots of peaple have allmost every rom ships.... That person just stated an opinion, nothing more, about a really pressing need for romulans. Every1 is entitled to its opninion, and posting a few times about it wont matter more. Heck i dont even think will matter at all and this ship will go as it is with just minor changes. And not just "a few people" complained about its boff layout, preatty much the majority of peaple who tested this think the boff layout its awefull and need to be change to a battlecruiser or fleet patrol escort layout. Even if romulans really need a sci ship, I highly doubt that this will ever be turned into one tho.
And to be onest whats so good about this boff layout that the other rom tactical warbirds/destroyers cant do? In fact the Lt.Com uni is a somewhat of a fake one. Allmost no player will put a tac boff in the Lt.Com uni becouse 3 tac boffs its redundant. And if you put a Sci boff you will struggle with just one ensign eng slot. So the logical choice remains a Lt.Com Eng wich turns this into a weaker Mogai actually. At least on Mogai, for exemple, if you use an aux2bat build you still have room for a DEM 2 or RSP 2, while on this ship you end up with just 2 ensign eng skills.
I would still prefer the fleet patrol escort boff layout since the romulans have few true escorts. Other then the Ha'feh and the Scimitar (wich isnt really an escort), there are none.
+10% Plasma damage with the Quad cannons equipped.
Singularity Beam (need to be in Annihilation Mode and be attacking a target/have Singularity charge to fire) specs: http://i.imgur.com/3SKUl3e.jpg -- works with Plasmonic Leech http://i.imgur.com/0oHKuvZ.jpg -- buffed by [Pla] Embassy Consoles and Tac consoles
First of all i dont think any1 cares if you speak as a vet or a legacy pack buyer. Lots of peaple have allmost every rom ships.... That person just stated an opinion, nothing more, about a really pressing need for romulans. Every1 is entitled to its opninion, and posting a few times about it wont matter more. Heck i dont even think will matter at all and this ship will go as it is with just minor changes. And not just "a few people" complained about its boff layout, preatty much the majority of peaple who tested this think the boff layout its awefull and need to be change to a battlecruiser or fleet patrol escort layout. Even if romulans really need a sci ship, I highly doubt that this will ever be turned into one tho.
And to be onest whats so good about this boff layout that the other rom tactical warbirds/destroyers cant do? In fact the Lt.Com uni is a somewhat of a fake one. Allmost no player will put a tac boff in the Lt.Com uni becouse 3 tac boffs its redundant. And if you put a Sci boff you will struggle with just one ensign eng slot. So the logical choice remains a Lt.Com Eng wich turns this into a weaker Mogai actually. At least on Mogai, for exemple, if you use an aux2bat build you still have room for a DEM 2 or RSP 2, while on this ship you end up with just 2 ensign eng skills.
I would still prefer the fleet patrol escort boff layout since the romulans have few true escorts. Other then the Ha'feh and the Scimitar (wich isnt really an escort), there are none.
I was responding to someone who specificially said that if you were a vet and/or owned every ship (meaning legacy pack) that there was absolutely no reason for you to buy this ship, so i started off by disagreeing with that.
I strongly agree that romulans need a science ship, but when a ship is announced as the 'tactical warbird' it's dumb to say you want it to turn into a vesta, they've already decided thats not what this is telling us right from the start that it's the romulan defiant more or less.
Now we can all agree that roms need more science ships and i hope lots are coming, but if they do come they'll be announced as a science ship and not as a tactical one.
As i've said my biggest reason for loving this ship is the looks, in my opinion it's one of the best looking romulan ships in the game and it resembles a combination of the mogai and d'dex my two favorite ships.
as far as stats go, it's not some godly insta win ship. and your right, from many standpoints the mogai is a better ship. personally i'm getting this to replace my ha'feh. Why? very simple, the 4th eng slot can be very useful on that ship and as i already mentioned it looks a lot better.
I'll also still use my scimitar for it's massive firepower from time to time, but this ship will probably be my primary. and after playing around with it on tribble a lot i enjoy flying with it a lot more than the valdore and ha'feh and in some cases i'm doing more DPS.
So far, I'm really enjoying the new Warbird. Love the look of it, and how it handles. The Annihilation mode is a fun little gimmick with the extra weapon tacked on. I do wish it had a Lt. Cmdr. Tac slot so I can run CSV 2 x2 and TS2 x2 on it. Otherwise, I'm not having problem with the ship so far.
Not that I read carefully all the thread, but it seems some dislike the Boff slots on the Ar'kif.
Well, let me say i quite like them, actually:
- 6 tac slots: good for 2xTT, 2 attack patterns and 2 cannon skills.
- (for me, most probably) 4 eng slots: 2xEPtX abilities with DCE doffs and the luxury of having both EWP and RSP, or DEM and RSP, or RSP and Aux2SIF.
- 2 typical sci slots for HE and TSS.
I might actually like it better than the Mogai. Unless I want to improvise with Aux2Batt, then both the Mogai and certainly the Dhelan are better.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
I currently beleve the new Warbird does not hold a candle to the currently available Warbirds. From both a PvP and PvE point of view.
Here is my justifications.
Its Turn Rate is already beaten by the T'Varo.
Its Flight feels like you are in a Mogai... Which has a better Boff loadout.
Its Console feels 100% worthless to me, as it is hard enough to hold a target in it, but the Dmg does not feel right for the amount of investment in the attack.
Its Weapons are basic, and make it fly like a non fleet Defiant.
Its Consoles seem to indicate it having no real specialty despite being a Tactical Warbird.
This ship feels like a T4 version of a Defiant, with a nerfed Turn Rate to account for a Battle Cloak. The ships I got from the Legacy Pack, will easily out shadow this one. Which makes me wonder why I should get it.
Don't get me wrong I bought a Scimitar (Which is a monster), but my Scimitar, Dhelan, Mogai, and even D'deridex will rofl stomp this in terms of performance. Please reconsider its Turn Rate, and Inirtia. If it can not out Damage, out Turn, or out Run another ship, then it is truly sub par.
I just wanted to pop into the thread and give you all a quick update. After a brief discussion we decided that we felt the -20 power (-10 from Shields and -10 from Aux) was a bit too punitive given the bonuses provided by Annihilation mode. So, we removed the -Aux penalty. Annihilation Mode now has the following modifiers:
+10 Weapon Power
+50% Singularity Gain Rate
-10 Shield Power
I just wanted to pop into the thread and give you all a quick update. After a brief discussion we decided that we felt the -20 power (-10 from Shields and -10 from Aux) was a bit too punitive given the bonuses provided by Annihilation mode. So, we removed the -Aux penalty. Annihilation Mode now has the following modifiers:
+10 Weapon Power
+50% Singularity Gain Rate
-10 Shield Power
Regards,
Gorngonzolla
Well personally i would of rather had -aux than -shield but thanks for this change nontheless. looking forward to testing it out.
Also just another reminder about the MACO engine trails bug and no reman skins.
First of all i dont think any1 cares if you speak as a vet or a legacy pack buyer. Lots of peaple have allmost every rom ships.... That person just stated an opinion, nothing more, about a really pressing need for romulans. Every1 is entitled to its opninion, and posting a few times about it wont matter more. Heck i dont even think will matter at all and this ship will go as it is with just minor changes. And not just "a few people" complained about its boff layout, preatty much the majority of peaple who tested this think the boff layout its awefull and need to be change to a battlecruiser or fleet patrol escort layout. Even if romulans really need a sci ship, I highly doubt that this will ever be turned into one tho.
And to be onest whats so good about this boff layout that the other rom tactical warbirds/destroyers cant do? In fact the Lt.Com uni is a somewhat of a fake one. Allmost no player will put a tac boff in the Lt.Com uni becouse 3 tac boffs its redundant. And if you put a Sci boff you will struggle with just one ensign eng slot. So the logical choice remains a Lt.Com Eng wich turns this into a weaker Mogai actually. At least on Mogai, for exemple, if you use an aux2bat build you still have room for a DEM 2 or RSP 2, while on this ship you end up with just 2 ensign eng skills.
I would still prefer the fleet patrol escort boff layout since the romulans have few true escorts. Other then the Ha'feh and the Scimitar (wich isnt really an escort), there are none.
Yup, some of us want different ships other than the current tactical warbirds.
I wont be buying this nor wasting Dilithium, as I already have the other warbirds that do the exact same role.
I currently beleve the new Warbird does not hold a candle to the currently available Warbirds. From both a PvP and PvE point of view.
Here is my justifications.
Its Turn Rate is already beaten by the T'Varo.
Its Flight feels like you are in a Mogai... Which has a better Boff loadout.
Its Console feels 100% worthless to me, as it is hard enough to hold a target in it, but the Dmg does not feel right for the amount of investment in the attack.
Its Weapons are basic, and make it fly like a non fleet Defiant.
Its Consoles seem to indicate it having no real specialty despite being a Tactical Warbird.
This ship feels like a T4 version of a Defiant, with a nerfed Turn Rate to account for a Battle Cloak. The ships I got from the Legacy Pack, will easily out shadow this one. Which makes me wonder why I should get it.
Don't get me wrong I bought a Scimitar (Which is a monster), but my Scimitar, Dhelan, Mogai, and even D'deridex will rofl stomp this in terms of performance. Please reconsider its Turn Rate, and Inirtia. If it can not out Damage, out Turn, or out Run another ship, then it is truly sub par.
Okay so just finished flying the new Warbirds. The first problem I had was cosmetic. In the ship customization window type 1 didn't show up nor did any paint pattern. Small things. The performance I found a bit wanting when compared to my normal Warbird. She could take a hit or two, the cannons on her are fun, with the bonus to singularity beam working for my normal play style it seems an odd choice for a ship that would benefit more from a bonus that would work to increase her cannon fire or something else. Less you are someone who likes to mash up beams and cannons on a Warbird.
Flew her with both her base set up and the setup on my Mogai. The performance of the Mogai was still above this ship. One thing that was a bit annoying was the hardpoints for firing forward single beam arrays. It didn't seem natural for a warbird to be firing the single beams from the mid upper wings only.
Her base performance is good, she takes hits well, and has some punching potential. Wont spend money on her with the current set up. A little tweaking, fine tuning and she can be a lot of fun. Though as she stands other ships in the Romulan fleet still hold a good edge over her.
Space is vast, it's wonderful and maddening. Yet in that madness is some of the greatest beauty I have ever seen.
However, with the higher ranking ship, I was able to pop ships in Tau Dewa with ease. I want to give some video and screenshots but my website is acting up.
I just wanted to pop into the thread and give you all a quick update. After a brief discussion we decided that we felt the -20 power (-10 from Shields and -10 from Aux) was a bit too punitive given the bonuses provided by Annihilation mode. So, we removed the -Aux penalty. Annihilation Mode now has the following modifiers:
+10 Weapon Power
+50% Singularity Gain Rate
-10 Shield Power
Regards,
Gorngonzolla
I am hoping this is the first of many changes coming to the new Warbird. It really would have been a great ship about 2 years or so ago. But now with fleet ships being very popular, it is somewhat sub par. The ship is slated as the first "True" Romulan Escort. That means she needs to be a variant of a Warbird, with characteristics similar to that of the Bug. Why do I use the Bug as an example? It has a very tactical loadout, no real scientific value, and is focused on doing damage and getting out alive. From a standpoint of a person who buys ships for the performance as opposed to being a collector, I would not purchase any ship that is not atleast competetive with the current ships available.
She is just way too weak to compete. Even the best boff designs will still leave her out in the cold, meaning it is a bad ship as she stands.
Ways to make it a Truly tempting purchase, and why?
Boff Loadout
Cmdr Tactical
Ltcmdr Uni
Lt Engie
Lt Uni
Ens Sci
Justifications. They are Romulans, they are very war like by nature, the ship this way has options with which to choose from, but is very Tactical in nature. She will perform in both PvE and PvP as a monster. This way people will see them do well, and will want them to compliment a play style not currently available.
Consoles:
T3 Version 3 Engie, 1 Sci, 3 Tac
T5 Version 4 Engie, 1 Sci, 4 Tac
Fleet Variant 5 Engie, 1 Sci, 4 Tac
The Consoles here aim for the ship to tank better, but stray away from giving the romulans an outright bug ship. This way she will still have usefull Firepower, Very good Tanking, and lack in the areas she is not ment to fill a roll in. Such as Science...
Turn Rate:
18+
It is an escort, not a hybrid Cruiser, this ship should run circles around the Mogai, and Dhelan. Not pace them in a circle race. Lets be real, this turn rate is still lower then the bug ship, but still competetive with available ships while fulfilling her intended roll.
Cloak turn is not what she should be designed to use in combat, she is not a BOP, will not fill that roll, and is no where neer able to effectively launch super strikes. Please do not let the aspect that it might be superior to T5 Patrol Escorts nerf a ship before it hits the market. The Patrol Escort is after all, T1 Fleet... it should be weaker then T4+ Fleet.
Though you have some good ideas i really have to disagree that the ship is useless and terrible. I've spent about 5 hours testing it on tribble even on elite difficulty and it's been very enjoyable and not the piece of garbage so many of you seem to think it will be.
it flys basically the same as my ha'feh but with an extra eng ability than tac and i've been able to work around that just fine.
And yes it's not on par with a fleet ship because we don't have the fleet version to test. It's very obvious that this ship will get a fleet version that will have the +10% hull and shields and the 10th console
One thing most seem to be overlooking is that this new Warbird is intended to a) get the quad-plasma cannons into the game and b) provide an alternative to the D'Deridex at captain level due to the many complaints about going from the escort-like Warbirds previously available to one of the top contenders for "slowest turning ship in STO."
Though you have some good ideas i really have to disagree that the ship is useless and terrible. I've spent about 5 hours testing it on tribble even on elite difficulty and it's been very enjoyable and not the piece of garbage so many of you seem to think it will be.
it flys basically the same as my ha'feh but with an extra eng ability than tac and i've been able to work around that just fine.
And yes it's not on par with a fleet ship because we don't have the fleet version to test. It's very obvious that this ship will get a fleet version that will have the +10% hull and shields and the 10th console
I do not think it is terrible, far from it. I love it's looks and is a really pretty ship.
The problem is (as I have already said), it does nothing that the current tactical focused warbirds do very well.
Should have just made this a T4 free alternative to the D'Deridex, with a cstore version for the quad cannons, and maybe a 4 console fleet version to mimic the KDF Ning'tao.
Just wish the devs would use some imgaination on the boff seating, and maybe worked in a Cmdr sci station just to be different for a change.
Though maybe this is more a reflection on how rigid they are on boff seating in general...
One thing most seem to be overlooking is that this new Warbird is intended to a) get the quad-plasma cannons into the game and b) provide an alternative to the D'Deridex at captain level due to the many complaints about going from the escort-like Warbirds previously available to one of the top contenders for "slowest turning ship in STO."
Very correct. I remember testing the roms on tribble and the day people started hitting level 30 was just nuts because you had probably 10-20 posts an hour complaining about the d'dex and that you were "forced" to use a slow ship.
Personally i just used my mogai until i hit 40 but for new romulans this will be a great ship for them. and even old romulans who just want another good looking ship and an alternative to the huge mogai and ha'feh that many people find very ugly.
Overall, the ships are great. The only problems I have are:
-Odd BOFF Seating: Most Tac-Heavy ships run CMDR and LTC Tac Seating. This doesnt, so it loses a decent amount of DPS unless you sacrifice the Universal station for more Tac Powers.
-No Interchangable parts in Customization: Just as it says.
-T5 Does not have "Romulan Material 3" like the other T5 Warbirds.
Comments
Why do you guys hate Torps so much?
75% innate resistance.
Singularity Ability: Energy Weapons - Singularity Overcharge.
Reputation: Enhanced Shield Penetration (Your directed energy attacks...)
Etc, etc, etc.
Projectile Players are Players too! :P
Ha'feh: Cmdr/LCdr - Lt/En - Lt
MU Ha'feh: Cmdr/LCdr - Lt - Lt/En
Dhelan Retro: Cmdr/En - Lt - LCdr - Lt
Mogai Retro: Cmdr/Lt - LCdr - En - Lt
T'varo Retro: Cmdr/En - Lt - Lt - LCdr
Falchion: Cmdr - Lt - Lt - LCdr/En
Scimitar: Cmdr - Lt - Lt - LCdr/En
Tulwar: Cmdr - Lt - Lt - LCdr/En
Fleet Dhelan: Cmdr/En - Lt - LCdr - Lt
Fleet Ha'feh: Cmdr - Lt/En - Lt - LCdr
Fleet Mogai: Cmdr/Lt - LCdr - En - Lt
Fleet T'varo: Cmdr/En - Lt - Lt - LCdr
Talvath: Cmdr/Lt - En - LCdr/Lt
Daeinos: Cmdr - Lt - Lt - LCdr/En
Ar'kif Retro: Cmdr/Lt - En - Lt - LCdr
The Talvath is the only one that can match the BOFF seating, but you're still going to have console differences, turn differences, hull, shield mod, subsystem power, gear...and...one is going to be a Zen ship while the other is a Lobi/Exchange ship.
edit: And in the end, it's a Tactical Warbird...not a Science Warbird. Which does raise the question (Oh, another Tac boat?)...meh.
A Rom Vesta down the road, heh - well, like all Rom boats or boats that Roms fly...it would be better because of the Romulan BOFFs. Even the R'Mor are more better than the Wells/Korath because of that. Any lockbox ship is better with a Rom because of that. Any Rom clone of another ship would be better because of that.
Now I have to ask:
Is the Defiant (and the KDF ship that has Quads) going to get an update to the VA ship console (the cloak console on the Defiant, not sure that there is a KDF VA ship) so that they get a set bonus as well?
It seems rather unfair that the New Hotness get a set bonus for their Quad using ships and that the First-Born and Stepchild get left out.
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Speaking as a lifetime vet and a legacy pack owner.
I personally love the boff setup. Just complaining about it because it's not a science ship is old. Seriously, it's just getting really old hearing that. yes roms need sci ships but this isn't one of them. Ad you could actually have 5 sci boff stations if you want which is really nice.
Also, probably my biggest reason for wanting this ship is that it's very similar to the ha'feh but with more surviability with the uni and much much better looking. IMO this is actually the best looking rom ship.
@Devs: in addition to the missing reman skins, just a reminder that the maco engines when equipped show the maco graphic but still show the romulan one as well.
We'd love to do set bonuses for many/all of the Refit and Retrofit ships that could have them. They have to fight for time on the schedule, but at some point we'd like to be able to update them.
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This is something...well, it's a trend - wasn't just the original boats, but here we have a non-3pack boat where the same is happening. Kind of makes one look at the various Fed & KDF ships in general, eh?
They changed the Excelsior/Excelsior Retro. The Steamrunner Retro doesn't have a console. The B'rel Retro doesn't have a console. The Norgh Refit has the Disruptor Quads, but there's no Norgh Retro. The Vor'cha Retro doesn't have a console. So there are no KDF boats to 2pc.
Galaxy Refit/Galaxy Retrofit: Anti-Matter Spread + Saucer Separation
Defiant Refit/Defiant Retrofit: Phaser Quads + Cloak
Nebula/Nebula Retrofit: Tachyon Detection Field + Tachyon Detection Grid
Intrepid Refit/Intrepid Retrofit: Nadeon Detonator + Ablative Generator
4 boats that could 2pc, but don't. Compared to 4 (soon to be 5) that can...if you're a Rom.
One can see where it goes from 0 KDF that can, to 4 Fed that can but don't, to 5 Rom that do...
...the new hotness. Meh.
There's only 4...and they're Fed.
It's just a case of looking at this being a precedent...are all of the future Refit/Retro, Ship/Retro, etc - that are Rom going to do this?
I mean, there's little reason not to fly Rom for so many reasons (yes, there will be the folks that don't care and will fly whatever...heh, I do that for the most part)...and well, that's not going to change until the Cardassians or Liberated Borg, eh? That will be the new hotness and forget about those wussy Roms. Depending on which is next, when the next one after comes out...the next will be forgotten in favor of the one after...
edit: Heh, I have to be honest...if it were +Weapons Training instead of +Energy Weapons...la, la, la...I might not have said anything.
Ever since LoR buffed up emergency powers it made it so where you have to run damage control doffs to keep EPTE and EPTS up full time to keep up with other escorts in pvp. This means if I have to waste space on damage control doffs I only want a single Lt eng or Lt Cmdr eng station so I can run epte1 and either epts2 or epts3. I own a JHAS and hardly use it anymore because of that. I don't want another ensign station with these setups because there is nothing else to good to put there that doesn't share a cooldown with anything else im using.
Either move that ensign to sci or make it universal or nerf epte so I can get away with 2x epts again or there is no chance I buy it.
I would like this boff layout, whether it has universals or not doesn't matter to me as long as I can make this layout with it I will buy it.
Cmdr Tac
Lt Tac
Lt eng
Lt Cmdr sci
ensign sci
Thanks for answering me.
Btw -- if you want to have people fly the "Hero" Fed ships (Defiant, Galaxy, Intrepid), one thing that would go a LONG way to "fixing" them is to have the Fleet Versions take that really useless Ensign BOff (Tac, Eng and Sci, respectively), and make it a universal. That and giving them 2-piece set bonuses would have me at least, flying them again.
Oh and as to this ship: I really like it, handles fine and it seems fine as is (minus the actual bugs people have already pointed to).
Sorry for the derail, but I really want to fly the Hero Ships.
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
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yeah i would love to go to my fleet defiant with a 2 piece bonus and a uni ensign boff. would probably never leave that ship lol
I had the same experience, wile cloaked I activated the Annihilation mode and had no problems. When I deactivated the annihilation mode the ship seemed to decloak it self, when I clicked the cloak button to re-cloak nothing happens, after the cool down from the failed re-cloak times out I was able to re-cloak as normal.
Also, just reporting again:
Default inpulse trails are not removed when using MACO engines
No Reman skins.
First of all i dont think any1 cares if you speak as a vet or a legacy pack buyer. Lots of peaple have allmost every rom ships.... That person just stated an opinion, nothing more, about a really pressing need for romulans. Every1 is entitled to its opninion, and posting a few times about it wont matter more. Heck i dont even think will matter at all and this ship will go as it is with just minor changes. And not just "a few people" complained about its boff layout, preatty much the majority of peaple who tested this think the boff layout its awefull and need to be change to a battlecruiser or fleet patrol escort layout. Even if romulans really need a sci ship, I highly doubt that this will ever be turned into one tho.
And to be onest whats so good about this boff layout that the other rom tactical warbirds/destroyers cant do? In fact the Lt.Com uni is a somewhat of a fake one. Allmost no player will put a tac boff in the Lt.Com uni becouse 3 tac boffs its redundant. And if you put a Sci boff you will struggle with just one ensign eng slot. So the logical choice remains a Lt.Com Eng wich turns this into a weaker Mogai actually. At least on Mogai, for exemple, if you use an aux2bat build you still have room for a DEM 2 or RSP 2, while on this ship you end up with just 2 ensign eng skills.
I would still prefer the fleet patrol escort boff layout since the romulans have few true escorts. Other then the Ha'feh and the Scimitar (wich isnt really an escort), there are none.
Thank you so much for showing me this ship I want it
New idea: how about you guys install tribble and check that yourself? Would stop a log of bugs from reaching holodeck.
I was responding to someone who specificially said that if you were a vet and/or owned every ship (meaning legacy pack) that there was absolutely no reason for you to buy this ship, so i started off by disagreeing with that.
I strongly agree that romulans need a science ship, but when a ship is announced as the 'tactical warbird' it's dumb to say you want it to turn into a vesta, they've already decided thats not what this is telling us right from the start that it's the romulan defiant more or less.
Now we can all agree that roms need more science ships and i hope lots are coming, but if they do come they'll be announced as a science ship and not as a tactical one.
As i've said my biggest reason for loving this ship is the looks, in my opinion it's one of the best looking romulan ships in the game and it resembles a combination of the mogai and d'dex my two favorite ships.
as far as stats go, it's not some godly insta win ship. and your right, from many standpoints the mogai is a better ship. personally i'm getting this to replace my ha'feh. Why? very simple, the 4th eng slot can be very useful on that ship and as i already mentioned it looks a lot better.
I'll also still use my scimitar for it's massive firepower from time to time, but this ship will probably be my primary. and after playing around with it on tribble a lot i enjoy flying with it a lot more than the valdore and ha'feh and in some cases i'm doing more DPS.
Well, let me say i quite like them, actually:
- 6 tac slots: good for 2xTT, 2 attack patterns and 2 cannon skills.
- (for me, most probably) 4 eng slots: 2xEPtX abilities with DCE doffs and the luxury of having both EWP and RSP, or DEM and RSP, or RSP and Aux2SIF.
- 2 typical sci slots for HE and TSS.
I might actually like it better than the Mogai. Unless I want to improvise with Aux2Batt, then both the Mogai and certainly the Dhelan are better.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Here is my justifications.
Its Turn Rate is already beaten by the T'Varo.
Its Flight feels like you are in a Mogai... Which has a better Boff loadout.
Its Console feels 100% worthless to me, as it is hard enough to hold a target in it, but the Dmg does not feel right for the amount of investment in the attack.
Its Weapons are basic, and make it fly like a non fleet Defiant.
Its Consoles seem to indicate it having no real specialty despite being a Tactical Warbird.
This ship feels like a T4 version of a Defiant, with a nerfed Turn Rate to account for a Battle Cloak. The ships I got from the Legacy Pack, will easily out shadow this one. Which makes me wonder why I should get it.
Don't get me wrong I bought a Scimitar (Which is a monster), but my Scimitar, Dhelan, Mogai, and even D'deridex will rofl stomp this in terms of performance. Please reconsider its Turn Rate, and Inirtia. If it can not out Damage, out Turn, or out Run another ship, then it is truly sub par.
I just wanted to pop into the thread and give you all a quick update. After a brief discussion we decided that we felt the -20 power (-10 from Shields and -10 from Aux) was a bit too punitive given the bonuses provided by Annihilation mode. So, we removed the -Aux penalty. Annihilation Mode now has the following modifiers:
+10 Weapon Power
+50% Singularity Gain Rate
-10 Shield Power
Regards,
Gorngonzolla
Well personally i would of rather had -aux than -shield but thanks for this change nontheless. looking forward to testing it out.
Also just another reminder about the MACO engine trails bug and no reman skins.
Yup, some of us want different ships other than the current tactical warbirds.
I wont be buying this nor wasting Dilithium, as I already have the other warbirds that do the exact same role.
Agreed.
/10 char
Flew her with both her base set up and the setup on my Mogai. The performance of the Mogai was still above this ship. One thing that was a bit annoying was the hardpoints for firing forward single beam arrays. It didn't seem natural for a warbird to be firing the single beams from the mid upper wings only.
Her base performance is good, she takes hits well, and has some punching potential. Wont spend money on her with the current set up. A little tweaking, fine tuning and she can be a lot of fun. Though as she stands other ships in the Romulan fleet still hold a good edge over her.
However, with the higher ranking ship, I was able to pop ships in Tau Dewa with ease. I want to give some video and screenshots but my website is acting up.
I am hoping this is the first of many changes coming to the new Warbird. It really would have been a great ship about 2 years or so ago. But now with fleet ships being very popular, it is somewhat sub par. The ship is slated as the first "True" Romulan Escort. That means she needs to be a variant of a Warbird, with characteristics similar to that of the Bug. Why do I use the Bug as an example? It has a very tactical loadout, no real scientific value, and is focused on doing damage and getting out alive. From a standpoint of a person who buys ships for the performance as opposed to being a collector, I would not purchase any ship that is not atleast competetive with the current ships available.
She is just way too weak to compete. Even the best boff designs will still leave her out in the cold, meaning it is a bad ship as she stands.
Ways to make it a Truly tempting purchase, and why?
Boff Loadout
Cmdr Tactical
Ltcmdr Uni
Lt Engie
Lt Uni
Ens Sci
Justifications. They are Romulans, they are very war like by nature, the ship this way has options with which to choose from, but is very Tactical in nature. She will perform in both PvE and PvP as a monster. This way people will see them do well, and will want them to compliment a play style not currently available.
Consoles:
T3 Version 3 Engie, 1 Sci, 3 Tac
T5 Version 4 Engie, 1 Sci, 4 Tac
Fleet Variant 5 Engie, 1 Sci, 4 Tac
The Consoles here aim for the ship to tank better, but stray away from giving the romulans an outright bug ship. This way she will still have usefull Firepower, Very good Tanking, and lack in the areas she is not ment to fill a roll in. Such as Science...
Turn Rate:
18+
It is an escort, not a hybrid Cruiser, this ship should run circles around the Mogai, and Dhelan. Not pace them in a circle race. Lets be real, this turn rate is still lower then the bug ship, but still competetive with available ships while fulfilling her intended roll.
Cloak turn is not what she should be designed to use in combat, she is not a BOP, will not fill that roll, and is no where neer able to effectively launch super strikes. Please do not let the aspect that it might be superior to T5 Patrol Escorts nerf a ship before it hits the market. The Patrol Escort is after all, T1 Fleet... it should be weaker then T4+ Fleet.
it flys basically the same as my ha'feh but with an extra eng ability than tac and i've been able to work around that just fine.
And yes it's not on par with a fleet ship because we don't have the fleet version to test. It's very obvious that this ship will get a fleet version that will have the +10% hull and shields and the 10th console
I do not think it is terrible, far from it. I love it's looks and is a really pretty ship.
The problem is (as I have already said), it does nothing that the current tactical focused warbirds do very well.
Should have just made this a T4 free alternative to the D'Deridex, with a cstore version for the quad cannons, and maybe a 4 console fleet version to mimic the KDF Ning'tao.
Just wish the devs would use some imgaination on the boff seating, and maybe worked in a Cmdr sci station just to be different for a change.
Though maybe this is more a reflection on how rigid they are on boff seating in general...
Very correct. I remember testing the roms on tribble and the day people started hitting level 30 was just nuts because you had probably 10-20 posts an hour complaining about the d'dex and that you were "forced" to use a slow ship.
Personally i just used my mogai until i hit 40 but for new romulans this will be a great ship for them. and even old romulans who just want another good looking ship and an alternative to the huge mogai and ha'feh that many people find very ugly.
-Odd BOFF Seating: Most Tac-Heavy ships run CMDR and LTC Tac Seating. This doesnt, so it loses a decent amount of DPS unless you sacrifice the Universal station for more Tac Powers.
-No Interchangable parts in Customization: Just as it says.
-T5 Does not have "Romulan Material 3" like the other T5 Warbirds.