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wiziero
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Yet again after opening around 350 cardassian lock boxes, i've tried these days to get me a JHAS...
I've opened 187 packs and got no ship...
REALLY, what's the actual drop ratio (because i think it's lower than 0.6%)?
I'm really tired of doing that, i want to find a ship in those damn boxes or packs not only to spend incredible amounts of cash and get nothing...
I don't say that i got nothing instead but, really are you serious???
I am really really upset about this...
No ship for the lock boxes, no ship for the romulan packs, what should i do to get one, who do i have to frack?
I've opened 187 packs and got no ship...
REALLY, what's the actual drop ratio (because i think it's lower than 0.6%)?
I'm really tired of doing that, i want to find a ship in those damn boxes or packs not only to spend incredible amounts of cash and get nothing...
I don't say that i got nothing instead but, really are you serious???
I am really really upset about this...
No ship for the lock boxes, no ship for the romulan packs, what should i do to get one, who do i have to frack?
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"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
If you would have sold all these packs on the exchange instead of opening them you could have easily bought 2-3 Jem Hadar Attack Ships. :rolleyes:
I totally agree with you... i have bought 20k zen and then with the ec from doffs another packs and so on trying to have the thrill of winning one as it supposed to but i' m stunned...
I demand to know my chances, it is my right to know...
Usually, via gambling (that's what this is) someone works out the odds of winning. They aren't always presented to you, and it isn't up to Cryptic to provide those odds. If you've opened that many boxes already without luck, then surely you already know the chances are minimal?
Even if it was a 0.6% (or whatever), that doesn't mean you're going to get a ship after opening 6 boxes in 600. There is no guarantee, it's all pure chance. If you want one that badly, save up and buy it off the exchange, or, alternatively, get yourself an Andorian Escort.
Well I'm not familiar with "rights" in the US but if you would classify the lockboxes etc. as gambling / game of chance then those laws would probably also apply to lockboxes etc.. And in that case I think the odds might have to be published. It serves to avoid people becoming addicted to gambling. Quite obvious why Cryptic doesn't want the odds to be known.
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Huh. Interesting. I've seen gamers incorrectly speak of "drop rate" before, when what they would have said had they known better is "drop chance," but I don't believe I've ever seen anyone speak of a "drop ratio." Let's review.
Probability and Statistics -- Not Identical.
Probability = Chance. In the case of game mechanics, this is a certain percentage, coded into the game by the developer(s). Where more than two outcomes are possible to any given trial, probability is not cumulative (to assume otherwise is to commit the Gambler's Fallacy). Symptoms of server latency ("lag" among other things) should not, in spite of superstition and the anecdotes of laypersons, affect this in any way.
Statistics = Rate, more or less -- to be more accurate, a "rate" can be semi-reliably estimated from the gathering of statistics (but this is a process which would require considerably more data than could be obtained from a mere 187 trials).
The chance in a case involving more than two possible outcomes cannot be determined with certainty by means of the gathering of data, precisely because each attempt is statistically independent of every other attempt. Given a large enough sample, a somewhat reliable rate can be estimated, but one should not mistake rate for chance. The developer could provide the chance; a rate can be estimated by empirical trial, which, if done correctly, will give an approximation of the chance. However, additional trials may change the estimated rate (giving a figure which is either closer to or further away from the coded chance).
The clarifications above having been made, the question to be asked of the OP is: Do you want to know the chance that is coded into the game's mechanics, or do you want to know a tested rate which may or may not be close to the chance? If the former, only the devs could provide the answer. If the latter, only someone who has done the testing correctly would be able to provide an answer (and note that another someone who has done the same may provide a different answer, because, again, in a case such as that of the lock boxes, each attempt would be statistically independent of every other attempt).
I'm sorry...
It looks that this was a lesson to learn for me...
I find this hard to believe.
You either spent 900 million EC on boxes off the exchange (conservative)
or you spent 51,425 zen ($500)
or you spent 6,376,700 dilithium.
Either way, if you had that much resources, you wouldn't be stupid enough to do that. You'd just buy one off the exchange for 300m.
Selling the packs would generate around 1 billion EC. You could have easily bought 3.
It doesn't add up, troll post is troll post.
Kirk's Protege.
Not hard to believe when there are actually people addicted to gambling, just look at how much money casino's bring in!!!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
QFT..... there are a lot of idio...er.... I mean 'players' on these forums alone who have admitted to throwing out thousands of dollars on lockboxes alone.
I seem to remember one guy who said he has spent 21,000 dollars in STO ..... just because he could.
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---- FIRE EVERYTHING ! ----
It's a random reward box, with the possibility to get a prize... Not a lottery.
Thanks to this explaination they once gave, it's not a lottery, just a way to buy random loot for real money.
I am not saying it's stupid to buy the lottery... I mean... Random loot boxes for real money, to get the ships, I am just saying it is not really so smart.
That's just their explanation. I doubt if it would uphold if actually legally challenged by someone. They just get away with it because no one will go that far for a few dollars.
In a lottery, I buy a ticket. There is also a chance I will get a prize! So because I got something for my purchase, that is a ticket, it's not a lottery.
WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF ASIAN MMOs.
Hah. So stupid. People really fall for these scams, it's unreal.
Kirk's Protege.
When you buy a Key to open a Lockbox you do so for 4 Lobi. The fact that there's a random chance that you might get something else too doesn't change the fact that you're buying Lobi. When you open up a Doff Pack you're doing so for the Doffs. The fact that there's a random chance you might get something else with your Doffs doesn't change that fact.
Since when was wealth related to IQ?
Cryptic Studios is based in Los Gatos, California ...
Now, of Asian MMOs, I've played a large number, and some of them definitely have rather dubious "try your luck" purchases that give far less on the average than the cost of the purchase. I've never been dissatisfied with the results of opening lock boxes in STO, except after getting more DOff packs than I could possibly use, and thinking "Eh, another stinkin' DOff pack" after opening another lock box and getting yet another one. I'd be less likely to think that if the DOff packs in the lock boxes were like the Romulan Survivor Officer Pack. Nevertheless, white DOffs are at least useful for fleet projects.
Its somewhere between 0.5% and 0.4%.
devs please feel free to refute this claim.
You literally have better chances playing scratch off tickets then taking your 'winnings' and buying keys or packs to sell for ec to buy the ship ffrom the exchange.
In short it means going from the winter packages at 125 zen chances are a freezing cold day in hell, to romulan survivor duty officer pack at 275 zen chances are the world coming to an end. Either way without them actually in numbers showing the odds you can open a million boxes and may never get a ship back than or currently, but than again you could get one or many!!! Either way you go it's still a gamble, and a bad one at that if all you are after is the ship!!!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
I haven't opened tons of lock boxes. However, I've gotten an Elachi S'golth, a R'Mor Temporal Science Vessel, and a Tal'Shiar Adapted Destroyer out of those I have opened (as well as several Mirror ships).
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=12278771#post12278771
That's still 0.5% and doesn't seem to be adjusted to the higher price of the survivor pack as promised. But since the drop rate on the Elachi box appears to have been decreased to 0.2-0.25%, Cryptic may ofc claim they _did_ adjust it - just not in favour of their customers...
There are no "rights" for those who gamble. Do it at your your own risk...if you read the forums ever since the creation of the infamous lockbox/packs...chances are about 1:200 or so.
Most people as pointed out here would buy a ship off the exchange rather than gambling....unless you are looking for the extras (at 187 boxes you should have gotten at least 748 lobbi crystals plus other goodies). Lobbis are good enough to get you a ship anyway and hopefully you are close to buy one off the lobbi store...might not be a Jem but still some decent ships in there
After a while i had no packs but a ton of DOFFs and i started selling them in order ot buy from exchange more of those packs
After a while i had, again, no packs but a ton of DOFFs and i started, again, selling them in order to buy from exchange more of those packs.
After almost a week with no ship i started to think to the hundreds of cardassian boxes opened in the past few months, with no ship, while i was aiming for the Galor cruiser.
I ain't neither stupid or addicted to gambling but just the type of person which understands that nothing comes for free in this world.
I started this topic when i saw that even if nothing comes for free when you pay you still get nothing, and i mean not like it was advertised...
And no, i'm not trolling and all those packs where opened by buying them in sets of 5-10 and after that selling the content in the past week!
so 100 people open a box 1 gets it for arguments sake. if you opened one and were only guy #59 you are S.O.L.
Sorry.
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Hey, I am not saying I am buying it... Just stating their little loop-hole in US laws, and the reason why they can still sell them.
I clearly remember a article talking about methods like this being investigated... Since they are still going on, one has to assume that the loop-hole was accepted.
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