To the stoers with open minds, props to ya. The ones that go "no /thread." why even post? Being a wet blanket is how you get your kicks?
Try a counter argument, makes you seem intelligent.
And yes, an exiled Q boff would probaly be the better title.
Would it be weird seeing everyone with a Q? In a word...tovan...in a few more words, all episode can be repeated by all captains. How many times has the borg queen been defeated? Or the doomsday machine.
It's a rather moot point that everyone having a Q makes no sense when sto follows typical game logic
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I swear... I've seen some dumb ideas or suggestions for overpowered ships or characters, but oh boy, does this ever take the fricking cake...
no...
I mean, the lockboxes somewhat makes sense. You got captured ships from other species. Quite possible as we are in an all out war and ships are short. The Federation accepts other species into starfleet and the klingons will take anyone who can fight with honour...
This? Q? No. It makes ZERO sense. I'm sorry to be brutal, but no. It's irrational, illogical and just plain senseless. End of thread, end of discussion.
No, now go back to your games with your god-mode, infinite ammo and all guns enabled. You're not getting that here.
You didn't really say why it would be god mode. I put forth the idea of a Q with diminished powers, have you seen deja Q? Q was turned to human by the continuum. Why couldn't the continuum strip a Q of most powers but still be able to so all boff abilities and have all traits...and the trait thing wouldn't be a deal breaker.
There's nothing senseless about it, I thought it was rather well thought out, a single universal boff would not be god mode.
To the stoers with open minds, props to ya. The ones that go "no /thread." why even post? Being a wet blanket is how you get your kicks?
Try a counter argument, makes you seem intelligent.
Actually, wasting time putting up counter-arguments to nonsense doesn't look too intelligent to me.
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a boff that can do anything? a universal boff? no.
7 of 9 was an engineer. She could fight, and treat people, yes... but she was better off with engineering stuff and astrophysics.
Harry Kim was an engineer. He could command and fight, yes, but he was better off with operations problems
Worf was a soldier. He could command, but never fix things.
Picard was a commander/pilot. Fly, yes, fight? heal? no... (he could think of brilliant plans though)
Data was an android. He was considered overpowered. He could fly, fight, treat, build, etc. However, he wasn't creative or emotional. He's the guy who'll leave you lying wounded, while he completed the mission. Then come back for you. Riker would drag you out under fire. Data would just shoot at them until they went away.
My point is, they all have weaknesses. What you're proposing would have no weakness. You said he'll have nothing more than normal traits. So what? Traits don't necessarily make such a huge difference.
You didn't really say why it would be god mode. I put forth the idea of a Q with diminished powers, have you seen deja Q? Q was turned to human by the continuum. Why couldn't the continuum strip a Q of most powers but still be able to so all boff abilities and have all traits...and the trait thing wouldn't be a deal breaker.
There's nothing senseless about it, I thought it was rather well thought out, a single universal boff would not be god mode.
Look at the way BOFF's work. They have predetermined skills that become active when you slot them into a bridge station or away team. You can swap those skills out out-of-combat but only within a single career.
A whole new mechanic would be needed for a BOFF with "on-the-fly" selectable skills, and I'm very sure that Cryptic has no near-term plans to do anything like that. I'm pretty confident that "never" is a very safe bet.
And I can easily see why it would be game-breaking if you could mix-and-match any powers from any career on the same BOFF and have it work no matter what station you plug them into. So obviously it wouldn't work like that.
And given what traits actually do, a BOFF that has the simultaneous benefits of every BOFF trait in the game would certainly be far more than a "minor benefit" with no downsides. In fact, it would become the next "gotta have" BOFF. Leadership? Check. Efficient? Check. Subterfuge? Check. Covert, Creative, Empathic, Telepathic, Logical, Lucky, Mental Discipline, Resilient, Stubborn, Sturdy, Sure-Footed, Telekinetic... Check and Check-Mate.
Don't even get me started on the traits that would conflict with each other (Aggressive Pacifist).
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Look at the way BOFF's work. They have predetermined skills that become active when you slot them into a bridge station or away team. You can swap those skills out out-of-combat but only within a single career.
A whole new mechanic would be needed for a BOFF with "on-the-fly" selectable skills, and I'm very sure that Cryptic has no near-term plans to do anything like that. I'm pretty confident that "never" is a very safe bet.
And I can easily see why it would be game-breaking if you could mix-and-match any powers from any career on the same BOFF and have it work no matter what station you plug them into. So obviously it wouldn't work like that.
And given what traits actually do, a BOFF that has the simultaneous benefits of every BOFF trait in the game would certainly be far more than a "minor benefit" with no downsides. In fact, it would become the next "gotta have" BOFF. Leadership? Check. Efficient? Check. Subterfuge? Check. Covert, Creative, Empathic, Telepathic, Logical, Lucky, Mental Discipline, Resilient, Stubborn, Sturdy, Sure-Footed, Telekinetic... Check and Check-Mate.
Don't even get me started on the traits that would conflict with each other (Aggressive Pacifist).
Could you tell me a universal boff that would be a game breaking layout?
The trait thing seems more work then game breaking. But I still can't picture a universal boff being broken
Remember, this isn't getting beta3 in an ensign slot,
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
One thing to add, I know cryptic won't add something like this...I admitted to that in my original post.
An alternate reality should mean "not in this lifetime."
But the forums were dead so I through the idea to the wolves...arguing is a decent past time when waiting for work to happen. and stoers for the most part, tend to be very untrollish
One thing to add, I know cryptic won't add something like this...I admitted to that in my original post.
An alternate reality should mean "not in this lifetime."
But the forums were dead so I through the idea to the wolves...arguing is a decent past time when waiting for work to happen. and stoers for the most part, tend to be very untrollish
"pastime" not "past time"
Oh, and creating a thread for the purpose of starting an argument is the very definition of trolling.
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A Q boff would very much fit within excepted Lore, and would be a fantastic addition. Now it would have to be balanced. But it could be done, and i for one would love to see it. .... i personally love the idea of Q boff being able to dip into all three professions as his skill slots. THats the question you need to be answering would that be op? to have a q with hazard emitters 1 Aux to bat 2 DEM 3 and Cannon scatter Volley 3?
Put another stipulation that a character may only have one Q boff EVER. Since a Q is omni bla bla bla, he would know what skills he would need coming to the ship to help his chosen Captain. Thus, the Captain could not change the initial skills once he conveyed to the Q what his needs are. It would not be "training" but would be what the Q has agreed to provide to help his pet captain. That would lock down the Q as well as keep to his omni bla bla bla lore concern.
This Q boff could not be sold on the exchange as a Q would never allow himself to be sold as a piece of meat or other insignificant entity. He is in control of the situation and he picked the captain.
The only acecptable place for Q as a member of the crew would be possibly as the bar tender,... all those crew lounges would become party central and maybe have a reason to be visited.
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Im sorry , but the more i read this the less sense i can see it making
so , you want a de-powered Q as a bridge officer correct ?
how is a de-powered Q physically any different from a human bridge officer candidate ?
As for wanting it to have any bridge officer skill from any career path, that is so broken I cant even describe it in words , its just as bluegeek put it , why would anyone ever have anything on their bridge that isnt this super boff , it just wouldnt make any sense.
Besides , its bad enough we have jem hadar , remans ,borg and breen on our bridge , a Q is stretching things a tad
Im sorry , but the more i read this the less sense i can see it making
so , you want a de-powered Q as a bridge officer correct ?
how is a de-powered Q physically any different from a human bridge officer candidate ?
As for wanting it to have any bridge officer skill from any career path, that is so broken I cant even describe it in words
Correct,
the continuum has de-powered a Q to join your crew. This Q does not know if it wants to be a Science officer, a tactical officer or an engineering officer. The continuum allows this Q to be all three at once
You can only have one of these boffs. Similar to having only one Jem hadar boff
I guess the problem is that it effectively puts a commander tac in any ship...i still don't see how that is op,
the continuum has de-powered a Q to join your crew. This Q does not know if it wants to be a Science officer, a tactical officer or an engineering officer. The continuum allows this Q to be all three at once
You can only have one of these boffs. Similar to having only one Jem hadar boff
I guess the problem is that it effectively puts a commander tac in any ship...i still don't see how that is op,
yes , but thats just it , its NOT just a commander tac in any ship
its a commander choice of tac/sci/ eng with lt commander choice of tac/sci/eng with lt choice of tac/sci/eng and ensign choice of tac/sci/eng
An officer that can cherry pick the best powers from any career path is monstrously overpowered , especially combined with regular ship doffs alongside it , especially if its on a ship with a universal Boff slot alongside it.
And thats not even going into the mess of it having every possible trait
Im sorry you cant seem to understand how overpowered this would be
the continuum has de-powered a Q to join your crew. This Q does not know if it wants to be a Science officer, a tactical officer or an engineering officer. The continuum allows this Q to be all three at once
You can only have one of these boffs. Similar to having only one Jem hadar boff
I guess the problem is that it effectively puts a commander tac in any ship...i still don't see how that is op,
A featured episode all about the Q and their...lets say "influence" on races the have encountered... with a culumination of an insane trip through the continuum where a Q decides to join your crew
Maybe your its punishment ala "deja q"
In an alternate reality, a Q boff would have all the traits and be able to choose. any commander ability, any lt. com. any lt. and any ensign
ah...if only
There is really NO WAY this could work! The 'Q' are almost (keyword: almost) god-like in nature. This includes immortality. Also, the Q are extremely prideful beings. Because of this reason, they would NEVER take orders from anyone save for, maybe, another Q! Because of these reasons, I have HUGE doubts that PWE will add Q BOFFs to the game!
yes , but thats just it , its NOT just a commander tac in any ship
its a commander choice of tac/sci/ eng with lt commander choice of tac/sci/eng with lt choice of tac/sci/eng and ensign choice of tac/sci/eng
An officer that can cherry pick the best powers from any career path is monstrously overpowered , especially combined with regular ship doffs alongside it , especially if its on a ship with a universal Boff slot alongside it.
And thats not even going into the mess of it having every possible trait
Im sorry you cant seem to understand how overpowered this would be
Could you just humor me and post an op build with a single "Q boff"
Maybe I'm letting the idea blind me but I can't think of anything game breaking
There is really NO WAY this could work! The 'Q' are almost (keyword: almost) god-like in nature. This includes immortality. Also, the Q are extremely prideful beings. Because of this reason, they would NEVER take orders from anyone save for, maybe, another Q! Because of these reasons, I have HUGE doubts that PWE will add Q BOFFs to the game!
Watch deja q, you'll see the plausibility of the idea
Watch deja q, you'll see the plausibility of the idea
I viewed bits and pieces of it already. But, even in his powerless state, Q still appeared to be overly arrogant. Now tell me, is THAT truly Starfleet material?
I viewed bits and pieces of it already. But, even in his powerless state, Q still appeared to be overly arrogant. Now tell me, is THAT truly Starfleet material?
Ah, but that is the John De Lance Q, why couldn't we have a more "starfleet/kdf" attuned Q?
dont need to post one to see itd be broken in all honesty but ill have a word with some fleeties who are into the number crunching thing and see what they can come up with
dont need to post one to see itd be broken in all honesty but ill have a word with some fleeties who are into the number crunching thing and see what they can come up with
Much obliged,
I consider myself person of fair intelligence...notice no name calling or trolling. And generally throwing builds at anyone that asks for one :P . So I'd like to think I help the community from time to time.
And this idea seemed plausible to implement, never will happen but plausible. If someone Posts a crazy game breaking build because of the Q boff, I'll admit defeat...but I just can't see it.
What I'm saying is, thanks to you and those that continue to have an open mind, even when dealing with an idea that seems too ridiculous to the point of trolling (really isn't a troll post, honest)
Ah, but that is the John De Lance Q, why couldn't we have a more "starfleet/kdf" attuned Q?
Because the John De Lancie Q is the most Starfleet/KDF attuned Q available. He actually cares about humans and other races while the other Q seem to be more interested in toying around with mortals or not even bother with mortals. So the other Borg would not even bother joining the crew or would play pranks like turning the Captain into a goldfish. The other Q that are friendly to mortals don't have that adventurous streak that the John De Lancie Q had. One was completely suicidal, one was indifferent to mortals except being jealous towards Janeway, and the other two are young enough that they have better things to do than babysit a Starfleet Crew.
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Try a counter argument, makes you seem intelligent.
And yes, an exiled Q boff would probaly be the better title.
Would it be weird seeing everyone with a Q? In a word...tovan...in a few more words, all episode can be repeated by all captains. How many times has the borg queen been defeated? Or the doomsday machine.
It's a rather moot point that everyone having a Q makes no sense when sto follows typical game logic
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Now if it was a NPC that followed you around off-duty, and had no impact on gameplay... he could turn random people into kittens, that's fine.
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You didn't really say why it would be god mode. I put forth the idea of a Q with diminished powers, have you seen deja Q? Q was turned to human by the continuum. Why couldn't the continuum strip a Q of most powers but still be able to so all boff abilities and have all traits...and the trait thing wouldn't be a deal breaker.
There's nothing senseless about it, I thought it was rather well thought out, a single universal boff would not be god mode.
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Actually, wasting time putting up counter-arguments to nonsense doesn't look too intelligent to me.
But how is it nonsense?
An omnipotent Q, that is nonsense
A continuum nerfed Q, I would say feasible
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Wouldn't that just be a human...or a Human Veteran BO.
7 of 9 was an engineer. She could fight, and treat people, yes... but she was better off with engineering stuff and astrophysics.
Harry Kim was an engineer. He could command and fight, yes, but he was better off with operations problems
Worf was a soldier. He could command, but never fix things.
Picard was a commander/pilot. Fly, yes, fight? heal? no... (he could think of brilliant plans though)
Data was an android. He was considered overpowered. He could fly, fight, treat, build, etc. However, he wasn't creative or emotional. He's the guy who'll leave you lying wounded, while he completed the mission. Then come back for you. Riker would drag you out under fire. Data would just shoot at them until they went away.
My point is, they all have weaknesses. What you're proposing would have no weakness. You said he'll have nothing more than normal traits. So what? Traits don't necessarily make such a huge difference.
Being that it a Q, loopholes can be created on the fly...
The counter argument one can make is how a universal boff would be op
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Look at the way BOFF's work. They have predetermined skills that become active when you slot them into a bridge station or away team. You can swap those skills out out-of-combat but only within a single career.
A whole new mechanic would be needed for a BOFF with "on-the-fly" selectable skills, and I'm very sure that Cryptic has no near-term plans to do anything like that. I'm pretty confident that "never" is a very safe bet.
And I can easily see why it would be game-breaking if you could mix-and-match any powers from any career on the same BOFF and have it work no matter what station you plug them into. So obviously it wouldn't work like that.
And given what traits actually do, a BOFF that has the simultaneous benefits of every BOFF trait in the game would certainly be far more than a "minor benefit" with no downsides. In fact, it would become the next "gotta have" BOFF. Leadership? Check. Efficient? Check. Subterfuge? Check. Covert, Creative, Empathic, Telepathic, Logical, Lucky, Mental Discipline, Resilient, Stubborn, Sturdy, Sure-Footed, Telekinetic... Check and Check-Mate.
Don't even get me started on the traits that would conflict with each other (Aggressive Pacifist).
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Could you tell me a universal boff that would be a game breaking layout?
The trait thing seems more work then game breaking. But I still can't picture a universal boff being broken
Remember, this isn't getting beta3 in an ensign slot,
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I'd just like to point out, for the record.....
Q was more scared of Guinan then The Borg.... and The Borg Assimilated the El Aurians
An alternate reality should mean "not in this lifetime."
But the forums were dead so I through the idea to the wolves...arguing is a decent past time when waiting for work to happen. and stoers for the most part, tend to be very untrollish
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"pastime" not "past time"
Oh, and creating a thread for the purpose of starting an argument is the very definition of trolling.
Put another stipulation that a character may only have one Q boff EVER. Since a Q is omni bla bla bla, he would know what skills he would need coming to the ship to help his chosen Captain. Thus, the Captain could not change the initial skills once he conveyed to the Q what his needs are. It would not be "training" but would be what the Q has agreed to provide to help his pet captain. That would lock down the Q as well as keep to his omni bla bla bla lore concern.
This Q boff could not be sold on the exchange as a Q would never allow himself to be sold as a piece of meat or other insignificant entity. He is in control of the situation and he picked the captain.
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so , you want a de-powered Q as a bridge officer correct ?
how is a de-powered Q physically any different from a human bridge officer candidate ?
As for wanting it to have any bridge officer skill from any career path, that is so broken I cant even describe it in words , its just as bluegeek put it , why would anyone ever have anything on their bridge that isnt this super boff , it just wouldnt make any sense.
Besides , its bad enough we have jem hadar , remans ,borg and breen on our bridge , a Q is stretching things a tad
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Correct,
the continuum has de-powered a Q to join your crew. This Q does not know if it wants to be a Science officer, a tactical officer or an engineering officer. The continuum allows this Q to be all three at once
You can only have one of these boffs. Similar to having only one Jem hadar boff
I guess the problem is that it effectively puts a commander tac in any ship...i still don't see how that is op,
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yes , but thats just it , its NOT just a commander tac in any ship
its a commander choice of tac/sci/ eng with lt commander choice of tac/sci/eng with lt choice of tac/sci/eng and ensign choice of tac/sci/eng
An officer that can cherry pick the best powers from any career path is monstrously overpowered , especially combined with regular ship doffs alongside it , especially if its on a ship with a universal Boff slot alongside it.
And thats not even going into the mess of it having every possible trait
Im sorry you cant seem to understand how overpowered this would be
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U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
Why does it need to be a Q?
What you're describing sounds more like an ECH
If it's mortal it's not a Q.
Edit: Unrelated note Cryptic Photonic cannon get on it please
There is really NO WAY this could work! The 'Q' are almost (keyword: almost) god-like in nature. This includes immortality. Also, the Q are extremely prideful beings. Because of this reason, they would NEVER take orders from anyone save for, maybe, another Q! Because of these reasons, I have HUGE doubts that PWE will add Q BOFFs to the game!
Could you just humor me and post an op build with a single "Q boff"
Maybe I'm letting the idea blind me but I can't think of anything game breaking
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Watch deja q, you'll see the plausibility of the idea
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I viewed bits and pieces of it already. But, even in his powerless state, Q still appeared to be overly arrogant. Now tell me, is THAT truly Starfleet material?
Ah, but that is the John De Lance Q, why couldn't we have a more "starfleet/kdf" attuned Q?
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Much obliged,
I consider myself person of fair intelligence...notice no name calling or trolling. And generally throwing builds at anyone that asks for one :P . So I'd like to think I help the community from time to time.
And this idea seemed plausible to implement, never will happen but plausible. If someone Posts a crazy game breaking build because of the Q boff, I'll admit defeat...but I just can't see it.
What I'm saying is, thanks to you and those that continue to have an open mind, even when dealing with an idea that seems too ridiculous to the point of trolling (really isn't a troll post, honest)
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Because the John De Lancie Q is the most Starfleet/KDF attuned Q available. He actually cares about humans and other races while the other Q seem to be more interested in toying around with mortals or not even bother with mortals. So the other Borg would not even bother joining the crew or would play pranks like turning the Captain into a goldfish. The other Q that are friendly to mortals don't have that adventurous streak that the John De Lancie Q had. One was completely suicidal, one was indifferent to mortals except being jealous towards Janeway, and the other two are young enough that they have better things to do than babysit a Starfleet Crew.