I think you misrepresented the grinding part- there's no loot drops in SC for killing opponents, it's all done thru a type of job market/reward system, with exploration and salvage as a bonus.
I consider flying around an asteroid for 3 hours a day shooting my mining laser at it to be grinding. I'm grinding to get ore to buy gear. I don't see that as functionally any different then grinding a Rep System to get gear. Both require monotonous repetitive activities to achieve their goal.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I consider flying around an asteroid for 3 hours a day shooting my mining laser at it to be grinding. I'm grinding to get ore to buy gear. I don't see that as functionally any different then grinding a Rep System to get gear. Both require monotonous repetitive activities to achieve their goal.
...But your confusing the entire mechanic STO is built around with 1 of 50 different activities possible in SC.
I think you misrepresented the grinding part- there's no loot drops in SC for killing opponents, it's all done thru a type of job market/reward system, with exploration and salvage as a bonus.
Basically take Freelancer, crank it up to 15, then toss in pieces of Privateer, Wing Commander, EVE, EnB and Firefly, shake it all up, then throw it at the fans to mod the hell out of while still maintaining a "vanilla" server, and you've got what SC is aiming to be.
In short, if Chris et al at CIG can pull this off it's potentially going to be as impactful as the original WC was back in 1990.
Basically take Freelancer, crank it up to 15, then toss in pieces of Privateer, Wing Commander, EVE, EnB and Firefly, shake it all up, then throw it at the fans to mod the hell out of while still maintaining a "vanilla" server, and you've got what SC is aiming to be.
In short, if Chris et al at CIG can pull this off it's potentially going to be as impactful as the original WC was back in 1990.
You know it, luckily they don't have to build their own GE like they did back in the 90's.
...But your confusing the entire mechanic STO is built around with 1 of 50 different activities possible in SC.
No, I'm well versed in what SC is. I have several hundred dollars invested into it and have been following for nearly a year. I know exactly what it will be: a flashier Eve clone.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
No, I'm well versed in what SC is. I have several hundred dollars invested into it and have been following for nearly a year. I know exactly what it will be: a flashier Eve clone.
No, I'm well versed in what SC is. I have several hundred dollars invested into it and have been following for nearly a year. I know exactly what it will be: a flashier Eve clone.
Calling SC an EVE clone is doing a disservice to both titles. They're radically different things.
I'm actually far more interested in Squadron 42, as I'm more interested in story then I am just flying around trying to make in-game money to upgrade my ship.
And that's going to be the big difference between SC and STO. Even though we've done all the missions dozens of times the STO experience is still about the story rather then just delivering cargo, or mining or, or hunting pirate ships to make money. SC is about objectives rather then story-missions.
Anyway, I think we're way off topic now.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I'm actually far more interested in Squadron 42, as I'm more interested in story then I am just flying around trying to make in-game money to upgrade my ship.
And that's going to be the big difference between SC and STO. Even though we've done all the missions dozens of times the STO experience is still about the story rather then just delivering cargo, or mining or, or hunting pirate ships to make money. SC is about objectives rather then story-missions.
Doing the same handful of grinder mission over-and-over without the threat of live players attacking me is insanely boring, and one of the biggest reasons I can't wait to purge STO from my hard drive. Heck, surfing their forums is more fun than playing STO lately.
Doing the same handful of grinder mission over-and-over without the threat of live players attacking me is insanely boring, and one of the biggest reasons I can't wait to purge STO from my hard drive. Heck, surfing their forums is more fun than playing STO lately.
Where as I find PvP to be extremely boring and tedious. To each their own.
And haven't you been threatening to purge STO from your hard drive for years?
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I'm actually far more interested in Squadron 42, as I'm more interested in story then I am just flying around trying to make in-game money to upgrade my ship.
And that's going to be the big difference between SC and STO. Even though we've done all the missions dozens of times the STO experience is still about the story rather then just delivering cargo, or mining or, or hunting pirate ships to make money. SC is about objectives rather then story-missions.
Anyway, I think we're way off topic now.
This thread has a serious topic?
Eve is similar to what your describing. PVE is more objective based than story driven.
STOP THIS AT ONCE!! There is not supposed to be a serious topic - this is a satire thread to counter all the doom threads that pop up!!
So basically trolling other trolls all for the sake of lolz? As Spock would say, "fascinating." And by extension, the mods are trolling by letting this thread go on for this long. Trololololollol! Ha ... Ha...ha...ha...ha!!!! La....la...la.la...la.laaaaaaa....laaaaaa!!!
Where as I find PvP to be extremely boring and tedious. To each their own.
And haven't you been threatening to purge STO from your hard drive for years?
Ya, it's only been in the last couple seasons I became serious about it. I just hate to throw away all the cash purchases, 10k+ zen, hundreds of thousands of dilith and millions of EC. Besides, I don't really need the drive space, the entire computer is being replaced for the SC dogfight module in the next few weeks.
So basically trolling other trolls all for the sake of lolz? As Spock would say, "fascinating." And by extension, the mods are trolling by letting this thread go on for this long. Trololololollol! Ha ... Ha...ha...ha...ha!!!! La....la...la.la...la.laaaaaaa....laaaaaa!!!
Heh, you waiting for a mod to lock the thread because it's off topic ?
So basically trolling other trolls all for the sake of lolz? As Spock would say, "fascinating." And by extension, the mods are trolling by letting this thread go on for this long. Trololololollol! Ha ... Ha...ha...ha...ha!!!! La....la...la.la...la.laaaaaaa....laaaaaa!!!
Actually others have carried this thread on their shoulders far far far more then me - a big thank you to them.
I think as far as the mods go - they know its in good fun - and perhaps they get tried of seeing the same type of "normal" doom thread - the game sucks, the game is dying - pop up like every few hours these days.
At least this thread has been kept quite entertaining - while the "real" doom threads usually turn into flame wars.
Think of it as one of those 'End of the World Parties' that kept popping up all 2012.
In fact, by the absolute lack of authority that has not been invested in me whatsoever... I hearby declare R.E.M.'s "It's The End of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" to be the utterly unofficial theme song of this topic!
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Think of it as one of those 'End of the World Parties' that kept popping up all 2012.
In fact, by the absolute lack of authority that has not been invested in me whatsoever... I hearby declare R.E.M.'s "It's The End of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" to be the utterly unofficial theme song of this topic!
In accordance with the thread you are supposed to put a link to the song and embed it in the word "DOOM"
STO can be around for years but it's entirely up to the DEV's and its publisher has to how long it will exist.
PWE must continue to spend money in STO if they expect to make money off of it.
The DEV's of STO should take a page from the Borg and constantly be working on improving existing systems here in STO and trying to replicate things that work well in other MMOs here in STO where it might apply.
The DEV's also need to remember that not all of us only play Tactical Captains :rolleyes:
STO is far from doomed but it is becoming Predictable and Stagnant IMO.
Doom-and-Doomer reporting in, sir. The prospects have gotten more negative. Pessimistically speaking, we should be suspicious of anything even remotely positive and uplifting. Otherwise, we will have to be cheerful, smile, and take everything with a grain of NaCl. This would not do. We are indulgently depressing. We are doomed, and we're doomed proud of it. If anyone tries to stop us, we will secede and start an Uncivil War, in the hopes that it will be the ugliest and worst conflict ever. Anything overly attractive will be eliminated on sight. Here's mud in your eye. Over, under, front, back, left, right, inside, and out.
DOOM sends Its apologies..., but wants everyone to know that It is going to be partying at my house for a few days, as I have just acquired a substantial addition to the Dungeon of Doom in my basement...
Once DOOM is finished exploring and cataloging the multitude of devices (mostly an assortment of sharp-looking crochet needles and seasonal knitting yarns), It will be back to Its normal trolling of this thread.
It has authorized me to invite anyone who wishes to meet their doom immediately...,
... to leave a message here and it will be forwarded to Its 'IDoom-phone5' through the proper spiritual channels.
:cool:
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...But your confusing the entire mechanic STO is built around with 1 of 50 different activities possible in SC.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Basically take Freelancer, crank it up to 15, then toss in pieces of Privateer, Wing Commander, EVE, EnB and Firefly, shake it all up, then throw it at the fans to mod the hell out of while still maintaining a "vanilla" server, and you've got what SC is aiming to be.
In short, if Chris et al at CIG can pull this off it's potentially going to be as impactful as the original WC was back in 1990.
You know it, luckily they don't have to build their own GE like they did back in the 90's.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
well OK then. I'm missing you already.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Calling SC an EVE clone is doing a disservice to both titles. They're radically different things.
22 million stretch goal perhaps?
Mmmmm, Linux support would be so sweet but isn't crytech working on it already ?
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
And that's going to be the big difference between SC and STO. Even though we've done all the missions dozens of times the STO experience is still about the story rather then just delivering cargo, or mining or, or hunting pirate ships to make money. SC is about objectives rather then story-missions.
Anyway, I think we're way off topic now.
Doing the same handful of grinder mission over-and-over without the threat of live players attacking me is insanely boring, and one of the biggest reasons I can't wait to purge STO from my hard drive. Heck, surfing their forums is more fun than playing STO lately.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
And haven't you been threatening to purge STO from your hard drive for years?
No its only been since around season 7 when STO doom infected his machine and gave him problems running the doom properly.
This thread has a serious topic?
Eve is similar to what your describing. PVE is more objective based than story driven.
STOP THIS AT ONCE!! There is not supposed to be a serious topic - this is a satire thread to counter all the doom threads that pop up!!
I thought....the DOOM...
HAVE YOU BEEN LYING TO ME ALL ALONG!?
So basically trolling other trolls all for the sake of lolz? As Spock would say, "fascinating." And by extension, the mods are trolling by letting this thread go on for this long. Trololololollol! Ha ... Ha...ha...ha...ha!!!! La....la...la.la...la.laaaaaaa....laaaaaa!!!
Ya, it's only been in the last couple seasons I became serious about it. I just hate to throw away all the cash purchases, 10k+ zen, hundreds of thousands of dilith and millions of EC. Besides, I don't really need the drive space, the entire computer is being replaced for the SC dogfight module in the next few weeks.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Heh, you waiting for a mod to lock the thread because it's off topic ?
LOL
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Actually others have carried this thread on their shoulders far far far more then me - a big thank you to them.
I think as far as the mods go - they know its in good fun - and perhaps they get tried of seeing the same type of "normal" doom thread - the game sucks, the game is dying - pop up like every few hours these days.
At least this thread has been kept quite entertaining - while the "real" doom threads usually turn into flame wars.
In fact, by the absolute lack of authority that has not been invested in me whatsoever... I hearby declare R.E.M.'s "It's The End of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" to be the utterly unofficial theme song of this topic!
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
In accordance with the thread you are supposed to put a link to the song and embed it in the word "DOOM"
You didn't hear? Turns out the Mayans were off by one year! We only have three months left!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PWE must continue to spend money in STO if they expect to make money off of it.
The DEV's of STO should take a page from the Borg and constantly be working on improving existing systems here in STO and trying to replicate things that work well in other MMOs here in STO where it might apply.
The DEV's also need to remember that not all of us only play Tactical Captains :rolleyes:
STO is far from doomed but it is becoming Predictable and Stagnant IMO.
Doom, it's the gift that keeps on giving....
Most threads quickly fade into the nothingness that is the back pages fairly quickly - then there is DOOM - the thread that just keeps on giving!!
so for this special occasion here is a video ....Enjoy the end of the game
Have a Nice day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsxavPANO8s
Once DOOM is finished exploring and cataloging the multitude of devices (mostly an assortment of sharp-looking crochet needles and seasonal knitting yarns), It will be back to Its normal trolling of this thread.
It has authorized me to invite anyone who wishes to meet their doom immediately...,
... to leave a message here and it will be forwarded to Its 'IDoom-phone5' through the proper spiritual channels.
:cool:
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion