Average of T5 Cruisers across all factions: 43,032
Maybe in your wacky world of imagination, 1 + 1 = 3 but the numbers don't lie. No Federation Cruisers has hull below 39,600. The Elachi Cruiser having a hull of 39K is significantly below the average among cruisers, this fact is indisputable.
you left out the fleet Corsair with its 36000 hitpoints, but i understand, you dont want that lowering your average. look at all those fed pattern beam boats and carriers you compared this battle cruiser too. you are aware that this is a kdf style battle cruiser right? that sacrifices a bit of hull for turn rate, yes? how about a comparison of the good turning, DHC using battle cruiser types?
Fleet K't'inga- hull 34,450 shield mod 1.1
Fleet Kamarag- hull 38500 shield mod 1.1
Fleet Tor'Kaht- hulll 39600 shield mod 1.1
Fleet Neg'var- hull 42900 shield mod 1.1
eh, i suppose i'll throw these in too. not exactly good turning or battle cruisers necessarily, but they are close to the same concept.
Ferengi D'Kora- hull 39000, shield mod 1.1
Scimitar- hull 40000, shield mod 1.1
average= 39075, shield mods all obviously lower. if i throw out the not so great turners, and just compared this ship to cruisers with a 10 turn rate or better, the average would be WELL below 39000.
uh...are you new or pretend to be one? There are plenty of ships with Com Tac and LTC Sci stations or universal. Tal Shiar Battle Cruiser says hello for example? It can do APO3 while GW you. Then again, your emotional outbursts show you can't be reasoned with logically, even if someone used facts and smack your face with them. First time I heard choice & versatility is a bad thing. :rolleyes:
ive got some bad news for you. APO3 buffed GW1 is a threat to spam and npcs only. if you used the COM station on the tal dread for tac, i got some more bad news, your build is fail. do you even remembered why you decided to have a little fit and call out everything i say? its because i said its the best BATTLE CRUISER, a good turning tac heavy cruiser, i did not say its the best everything.
its really interesting how you are half historical and say im the one with emotional outbursts. my posts may be a bit sarcastic to punish the dumb, but i assure you i have been quite calm throughout my posting on these ships.
Which wasted one precious console slot as opposed to a hangar. NPC which fires VM is nothing to write home about. I wonder if its VM will last 0.5 of a second against most builds in PvP considering Minimax's super charged VM barely lasts 2 seconds? And if I want a pet which fires VM, no need to waste a console slot for it. The D'Deridex Distress Call consumable from Romulan Reputation will summon a DD Warbird that can and will do VM and the pack comes in a package of 10 calls. It requires no device slot nor console space, just placed it in your inventory. I am willing to bet most people gushing over the Elachi VM firing pet didn't know they can get a VM firing pet without this fancy console.
entertaining this misinformation is, considering how hard your trying to call me out over the same thing. the summoned d'deridex dont have VM. a concern was raised about a summonable haveing it, and it got something else instead, i dont recall what. a pet or summonable with VM is a new thing. on my dhlean and kamarang, i can thank quite a few kills on VM, and npc VM seems pretty strong thanks to all the flat modifiers npcs get, thankfully these arent spamable pets, the last thing we need are pets useing VM as often as runabouts tractor people.
uh...such a short memory, eh? Scimitar was just out last month and it appears you have forgot it completely. Same impulse mode of 0.18, higher than this Elachi cruiser, modified turn rate with console set bonus and post-clock effect (unique to Scim) is significantly higher than the 0.10 turn rate.
i guess 2 is many now huh? its a gigantic 7 turns flight deck warbird dreadnought thing, a bit removed from the battle cruiser, or even cruiser category, especially considering its station setup. its not so much a battle cruiser, as a god ship.
That's because kdf cruisers suck big time, they are only fit to be zombie tanks. The question is, does one want to spend all those money on an average cruiser or the best cruiser money can buy? If the answer is the latter, then clearly, it needs to be benchmarked against the best cruisers, not the worst ones.
kdf patern battle cruisers suck huh? well that explains your thinking as to how you can compare all those hitpoint spunge beam boats to one. they are the oposite of zombie tanks by the way, something you fly like an escort does not strike me as zombie like. if it wasn't already clear you have absolutely no idea what your talking about with regards to battlecrusiers, this should make it crystal.
It makes me wonder do you pvp or just pretend to be? Anyone who has pvp knows about the Recluse, you appear to be an exception.
lets compare a 5.5 turn carrier to a battle cruiser! with its 6 weapons and 2 hangers and everything! the recluse is not a cruiser, its a full carrier, so umm, ROFL to you too!
how short bus are you? why are you comparing a battle cruiser to ships increasingly nothing like battle cruisers? remember, your trying to prove me wrong when i said this is the best battle cruiser in the game.
This cruiser has 5 tact consoles, in my world 5 is > than 4, maybe not yours but that's another problem. It can do APO3, have 5 fore weapons, can battlecloak, can equip cannons, have more hull, have real pets - everything that is needed to be a more deadly tactical vessel.
I realize getting facts straight is not your forte, so it's best you refrain making a fool of yourself.
scimitar addressed above already. does not have a COM eng to start with, silly to compare it to battle cruisers. something that is tac heavy but retaining the COM eng is a defining feature of a battle cruiser, thats the cruiser part. the battle part is the tweener turn rate of about 10.
you should proboly stop now, i have better things to do then argue the most basic things with someone that spends more time at STO wiki then he does in the ques flying battle cruisers. not sure what your grudge is, this is clearly some kind of 'he is right to often' vendeta. thanks for all the attention! i love attention
That escort looks amazing. 1.3 shield? WOOT. I'd trade 8k hull for a .1 shield mod on any ship any day of the week, shield regens extremely quickly on it's own hull not so much once you get past 20 crew on the boat since for some reason a defiant has exactly the same number of medical staff as a Galaxy.
And the battle cruiser looks rock solid as well. By rock solid I mean even the Fleet Vor'Cha doesn't hold a candle to it.
Even with the elachi escort's crappy hull, a 1.3 shield modifier on the shields is just way over the top. No non-lock box cruiser even comes close to that and cruisers are supposed to have better shields than escorts in general. To give an example, the galor and the tal shiar adapted battle cruiser both have 1.3 shield modifiers but they are battle cruisers, not escorts. What makes even less sense is that the Monbosh has a worse shield modifier yet it's a battleship. Maybe the Monbosh should be escorting the S'gloth? Lol.
So, Cryptic, care to explain the reasoning behind giving an ESCORT the highest shield mod in the game? I'd LOVE to hear the rationalization behind THAT boneheaded move.
They don't really need to - it's the JHAS scenario all over again. It's a 'grand prize' so it has to be better than most other ships.
Saying that, it is at least a new design so-to-speak, unlike the stupid JHAS, which was seen in various episdoes of DS9 and was extremely mediocre at best, yet the game has seen fit to make one of the most powerful ships in the galaxy.
hmmm but the cruiser is 1.2 and the escort is 1.3, that's alone needs explaining in much more detail. I do tend to agree about what you saying with regard to the jhas. a kdf b'rel bop could easily handle a couple of bug ships lol in ds9.
It is actually the second weakest hull out of all the destroyers in the game. The lowest is the Aquarius and its Fleet version.
It also has standard amount impulse for a destroyer. Lowest impulse modifier is the Aquarius and its Fleet version.
The shield modifier is simply the best out of any destroyer. The second highest shield modifier is 1.05. The Wells & R'Mor do not count as they are both classified as science vessels.
It also has standard turn rate for a destroyer at 15. Usually they hover between 15-17. Only the Chimera has lower at 14.
In terms of weapons, it has the standard amount at 4-3. Only the Aquarius and its Fleet version has lower at 4-2.
Conclusion? The only issue with this ship is the ridiculous shield modifier for a destroyer. The only reason I can think of the shield modifier being 1.3 is someone forgot that the Wells & R'Mor (1.45) are science vessels. They are not destroyers and should not be compared against.
Lowering it from 1.3 to something more reasonable like 1.15 neighborhood would be for the best. It still would be better than the highest shield modifier for a destroyer and would also still be quite able to shield tank with its 4 science consoles. That's at least my two bits on this.
I will also add that the Aquarius and its Fleet version are woefully the weakest destroyer out there. Though fixing that would be highly difficult.
I like the ships and bridge STO crew. Nice work otherwise.
The trash talk in this thread is over the threshold of friendly banter and way over into flaming and trolling territory. Let's dial it back, eh?
Surely a group of intelligent adults can debate these ships without resorting to belittling each other?
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^^This. I was all set to switch my ENG to a Fleet Assault this Saturday when my fleet finishes its T5 shipyard, but the Monbosh looks like it might be even better. Of course, I am not sure if I can get over the design. A vertical profile? Ugh, no thanks. It looks like a squatting frog trying to give someone a hug while moonwalking.
The escort on the other hand looks like a serrated knife ready to cut through your ship, sleek, deadly, and glowy. The potential layouts have me curious enough to start using my tac characters a little more, they have always been traditional DSP first monsters.
I was really going to skip this lockbox all together, but these ships intrigue me.
Now I will have to buy a Fleet LRSVR, Fleet Assault Cruiser, S'golth Escort and maybe Monbosh all in the same week. Better start buying and selling keys right now.
I think I can agree with you that the Monbosh will take some getting used to. I think it's an acquired taste much like the Vo'quv that looks like a BOP that came out of a Mc'Donalds ship yard.
I'm sorry, but these ships interest me less and less, even though they technically get better and better. It's all been there, done that. The equipment system in STO just doesn't allow for enough differentiation anymore, so the only thing they can do to make things stand out is by adding unique features that were exclusive to certain classes to other classes. Sci shield mods on escorts, hangars on escorts or cruisers, DHCs on sci ships etc etc. Everything but the kitchen sink.
Where do you draw the line? What do you do when you run out of features to pile on the same ship? I already boycotted the ridiculous Scimitar even though I had more than enough Zen stored and ready if I had wanted to, and these new ships aren't unique enough either.
Just start selling skins and stats/layouts seperately so I can fly my Regent and Vesta with the OP BS layouts of the last few months. The cryptic originals are all pretty ugly, I'm sorry. Unfortunately the good looking original franchise ships aren't worth squat stat-wise anymore. But the only way to sell your meh alien designs into the playerbase is by making them OP as hell and you know that. If you made skins available seperately, almost no one would buy them. Everyone would have their favourite canon ship and then stop buying your ugly ships. Yeah I guess there is no way but your way, consequences be damned.
I'm just about ready for a loooong break from this game...
I do look forward to get a Monbosh as well. My personal ship preferences are Destroyers/Carriers in general for their decent turn rate and the tactical focus. I refuse to fly anything below a 9 for turn rate. I also have the Fleet Armitage, Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer & the Jem'Hadar HEC and I think they are awesome.
This one seems to have a good combination where I can put 4 Tact Consoles & allow 8 weapons in total. It reminds me of the Fleet Tor'Kaht and I like having that extra turret at the back. The subspace transceiver is a nice touch. That is the only thing I miss on this ship, a hanger. This console sort of/kind of fill that gap although the notes don't mention whether the control craft has any weapons other than the abilities.
I have always enjoy unique looking ships like the Kar'fi, Guramab so this 'thing' is right up my alley
In case you missed my other post on this earlier today, the Elachi Monbosh Battleship is not intended to have a cloak -- it will be removed in an upcoming patch. For stats on this ship, which does not include reference to a cloak, please see the blog linked in the OP.
We apologize that we missed this and will see you in-game!
How in the world do you accidentally give a ship a cloak? No testing whatsoever?
They make new ships based on templates of existing ships, they just make a ton of ships with cloaks, someone forgot to take the cloak off, which could be easily overlooked depending on how your tray layout is setup and how closely you look at your ability list.
I'm not saying they should of missed it, but its not nearly as outrageous as you are making it out to be.
I counter your comment with three words I never thought I'd say in STO:
PAY TO WIN.
I have to disagree with you, with the lock boxes its not pay to win. You don't have to get the ship to have a great build if you know how to set your skills. Look at my ship i am using advanced fleet weapons and put out 7k per cannon x3 on my forward arc plus a 6k torpedo, plus the addition of 5k turrets in the rear x 3 as well
So again just to have the better shield facing my escort has 12k per facing and a hull of 47k so i disagree get it if you want it but its not pay to win this is using the T4 MVAM fleet escort
Even though some like to think the Elachi Escort is the best escort ever since sliced bread, irrespective of all the data/stats/comparison that show otherwise - the fact is this lock box ship managed to crash on the Exchange on the very 1st day it came out, all the way below 70K into the 60K territory. For comparison, the Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer was selling for 120 million + for multiple days, just 2 months ago.
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you left out the fleet Corsair with its 36000 hitpoints, but i understand, you dont want that lowering your average. look at all those fed pattern beam boats and carriers you compared this battle cruiser too. you are aware that this is a kdf style battle cruiser right? that sacrifices a bit of hull for turn rate, yes? how about a comparison of the good turning, DHC using battle cruiser types?
Fleet K't'inga- hull 34,450 shield mod 1.1
Fleet Kamarag- hull 38500 shield mod 1.1
Fleet Tor'Kaht- hulll 39600 shield mod 1.1
Fleet Neg'var- hull 42900 shield mod 1.1
eh, i suppose i'll throw these in too. not exactly good turning or battle cruisers necessarily, but they are close to the same concept.
Ferengi D'Kora- hull 39000, shield mod 1.1
Scimitar- hull 40000, shield mod 1.1
average= 39075, shield mods all obviously lower. if i throw out the not so great turners, and just compared this ship to cruisers with a 10 turn rate or better, the average would be WELL below 39000.
its to bad you cant hear people snickering when you use PSW1 or GW1 on them from your cruiser, otherwise you would quietly drop this point.
ive got some bad news for you. APO3 buffed GW1 is a threat to spam and npcs only. if you used the COM station on the tal dread for tac, i got some more bad news, your build is fail. do you even remembered why you decided to have a little fit and call out everything i say? its because i said its the best BATTLE CRUISER, a good turning tac heavy cruiser, i did not say its the best everything.
its really interesting how you are half historical and say im the one with emotional outbursts. my posts may be a bit sarcastic to punish the dumb, but i assure you i have been quite calm throughout my posting on these ships.
entertaining this misinformation is, considering how hard your trying to call me out over the same thing. the summoned d'deridex dont have VM. a concern was raised about a summonable haveing it, and it got something else instead, i dont recall what. a pet or summonable with VM is a new thing. on my dhlean and kamarang, i can thank quite a few kills on VM, and npc VM seems pretty strong thanks to all the flat modifiers npcs get, thankfully these arent spamable pets, the last thing we need are pets useing VM as often as runabouts tractor people.
i guess 2 is many now huh? its a gigantic 7 turns flight deck warbird dreadnought thing, a bit removed from the battle cruiser, or even cruiser category, especially considering its station setup. its not so much a battle cruiser, as a god ship.
kdf patern battle cruisers suck huh? well that explains your thinking as to how you can compare all those hitpoint spunge beam boats to one. they are the oposite of zombie tanks by the way, something you fly like an escort does not strike me as zombie like. if it wasn't already clear you have absolutely no idea what your talking about with regards to battlecrusiers, this should make it crystal.
lets compare a 5.5 turn carrier to a battle cruiser! with its 6 weapons and 2 hangers and everything! the recluse is not a cruiser, its a full carrier, so umm, ROFL to you too!
how short bus are you? why are you comparing a battle cruiser to ships increasingly nothing like battle cruisers? remember, your trying to prove me wrong when i said this is the best battle cruiser in the game.
scimitar addressed above already. does not have a COM eng to start with, silly to compare it to battle cruisers. something that is tac heavy but retaining the COM eng is a defining feature of a battle cruiser, thats the cruiser part. the battle part is the tweener turn rate of about 10.
you should proboly stop now, i have better things to do then argue the most basic things with someone that spends more time at STO wiki then he does in the ques flying battle cruisers. not sure what your grudge is, this is clearly some kind of 'he is right to often' vendeta. thanks for all the attention! i love attention
And the battle cruiser looks rock solid as well. By rock solid I mean even the Fleet Vor'Cha doesn't hold a candle to it.
hmmm but the cruiser is 1.2 and the escort is 1.3, that's alone needs explaining in much more detail. I do tend to agree about what you saying with regard to the jhas. a kdf b'rel bop could easily handle a couple of bug ships lol in ds9.
It also has standard amount impulse for a destroyer. Lowest impulse modifier is the Aquarius and its Fleet version.
The shield modifier is simply the best out of any destroyer. The second highest shield modifier is 1.05. The Wells & R'Mor do not count as they are both classified as science vessels.
It also has standard turn rate for a destroyer at 15. Usually they hover between 15-17. Only the Chimera has lower at 14.
In terms of weapons, it has the standard amount at 4-3. Only the Aquarius and its Fleet version has lower at 4-2.
Conclusion? The only issue with this ship is the ridiculous shield modifier for a destroyer. The only reason I can think of the shield modifier being 1.3 is someone forgot that the Wells & R'Mor (1.45) are science vessels. They are not destroyers and should not be compared against.
Lowering it from 1.3 to something more reasonable like 1.15 neighborhood would be for the best. It still would be better than the highest shield modifier for a destroyer and would also still be quite able to shield tank with its 4 science consoles. That's at least my two bits on this.
I will also add that the Aquarius and its Fleet version are woefully the weakest destroyer out there. Though fixing that would be highly difficult.
I like the ships and bridge STO crew. Nice work otherwise.
It was one of the strongest ships in-game at that time.
Now: its almost becoming a joke.
It gets outgunned, outtanked and even outshielded!?!
WTH!
Join the Deltas today!
But it has a battle cloak - that is very powerful
The trash talk in this thread is over the threshold of friendly banter and way over into flaming and trolling territory. Let's dial it back, eh?
Surely a group of intelligent adults can debate these ships without resorting to belittling each other?
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I think I can agree with you that the Monbosh will take some getting used to. I think it's an acquired taste much like the Vo'quv that looks like a BOP that came out of a Mc'Donalds ship yard.
Where do you draw the line? What do you do when you run out of features to pile on the same ship? I already boycotted the ridiculous Scimitar even though I had more than enough Zen stored and ready if I had wanted to, and these new ships aren't unique enough either.
Just start selling skins and stats/layouts seperately so I can fly my Regent and Vesta with the OP BS layouts of the last few months. The cryptic originals are all pretty ugly, I'm sorry. Unfortunately the good looking original franchise ships aren't worth squat stat-wise anymore. But the only way to sell your meh alien designs into the playerbase is by making them OP as hell and you know that. If you made skins available seperately, almost no one would buy them. Everyone would have their favourite canon ship and then stop buying your ugly ships. Yeah I guess there is no way but your way, consequences be damned.
I'm just about ready for a loooong break from this game...
This one seems to have a good combination where I can put 4 Tact Consoles & allow 8 weapons in total. It reminds me of the Fleet Tor'Kaht and I like having that extra turret at the back. The subspace transceiver is a nice touch. That is the only thing I miss on this ship, a hanger. This console sort of/kind of fill that gap although the notes don't mention whether the control craft has any weapons other than the abilities.
I have always enjoy unique looking ships like the Kar'fi, Guramab so this 'thing' is right up my alley
PvP has been dead since the first Mage ship fired a Subnuc.
NO Captain in any Star Trek show or movie has EVER ordered a Subnuclear Beam to be fired.
I'm glad that this is a mage ship box as it will save me from going on the latest Pay to Win Jihad.
In case you missed my other post on this earlier today, the Elachi Monbosh Battleship is not intended to have a cloak -- it will be removed in an upcoming patch. For stats on this ship, which does not include reference to a cloak, please see the blog linked in the OP.
We apologize that we missed this and will see you in-game!
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
I used to wonder but then I realized this lockbox was made using their Klingon computer.
Can someone tell me if the 3 new Lobi Store Space items come boxed?
I have the Lobi Crystals in my Fed and I want the new items on my Romulan.
Thanks
They make new ships based on templates of existing ships, they just make a ton of ships with cloaks, someone forgot to take the cloak off, which could be easily overlooked depending on how your tray layout is setup and how closely you look at your ability list.
I'm not saying they should of missed it, but its not nearly as outrageous as you are making it out to be.
The Lobi space set items are not boxed. They are bind-on-pickup. You'll have to grind out Lobis on your Romulan, I'm afraid.
I have to disagree with you, with the lock boxes its not pay to win. You don't have to get the ship to have a great build if you know how to set your skills. Look at my ship i am using advanced fleet weapons and put out 7k per cannon x3 on my forward arc plus a 6k torpedo, plus the addition of 5k turrets in the rear x 3 as well
So again just to have the better shield facing my escort has 12k per facing and a hull of 47k so i disagree get it if you want it but its not pay to win this is using the T4 MVAM fleet escort
Nope. No rebreather is needed though it does have the glowing gas as **ahem** Atmosphere.
AWFUL PUN WARNING---Damn, Should be warning before pun...
Even though some like to think the Elachi Escort is the best escort ever since sliced bread, irrespective of all the data/stats/comparison that show otherwise - the fact is this lock box ship managed to crash on the Exchange on the very 1st day it came out, all the way below 70K into the 60K territory. For comparison, the Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer was selling for 120 million + for multiple days, just 2 months ago.
The truth is people have spoken / voted with their wallet via the Exchange just as I have predicted here : http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=11910081&postcount=21