2. Someone else suggested that earlier. Are you implying it can actually be done in game? In which case that's solved a great deal of problems. Or are you implying you'd like it to be so? In which case I've already said it's much better than my idea.
I think he meant something like "generator left 10%" should be easy to understand by everyone.
Another possibility that was once discussed long ago in another thread was a short message sytem similar to "World of Tanks" where pushing the F buttons allows people to throw out preset messages to everyone.
Preset of course means they're preset like the emotes are, not that the player can preset new ones.
For example "follow me" lets an icon appear over that player for teammates to see and of course that short message is translated to other languages depending on their localization setting.
When a player selects an enemy target he can also use another shortcut to let the other know he's attacking that target...if he wants to tell them of course.
Also, it's possible to select an ally and then hit the "follow me!" shortcut which means only that partciular player gets the message "edwardianed, follow me!"...or whatever "follow me" in that particular language.
It's not perfect but it's short and to the point.:)
"When playing online video games, I choose to discriminate against people with whom I cannot communicate due to language barrier issues on the side of either party. I do this as I do not feel that it in the present structure of the game it is conducive to team gameplay to play with other language speakers without choice on my part, due to the limitations on the part of the game engine that prevent me from knowing before hand that such a situation is to occur in order to allow me to make adequate preparation for, or retract my intention to partake in the activity."
Were the situation to be such that I were able to either know such an eventuality was to occur, or know it was not to occur I believe that any problems caused by language barriers on the part of either party would be mitigated at the cost of having to manually engage, by conscious decision, in in-game activities with other language speakers with deliberate action on my part.
My opinion on this matter does not extend to outside of online video games, as I feel that when presented with a language barrier between myself and another person in an activity in which we are both physically present, we would both be able to employ alternate means of communication that would sufficiently mitigate any problems that would arise due to an inability to communicate through speech."
You are aware due to the nature of the game provided of the possibility of being teamed with members from other countries who may or may not have an understanding of the same language as you. You are also consciously aware that by partaking in the public queues you are consenting to play with any such individual who is also a member of the same queue; due to the random nature of the queue in question whether they speak your language or not. You accept by partaking in the public queue system that you may be placed in an instance with one or more players with whom you may be unable to communicate with, for whatever reason or who may be unable to play the game effectively.
You accept under the Terms of Service that your use and continued use of the service is "at your own risk" in terms of your interaction with others in this respect.
You are consciously aware that you have the option to create a private queue of an instance of any map for yourself and up to 19 others of your choosing to play as you see fit. You are therefore able by conscious decision, able to discriminate against other players with whom you believe you would be unable to communicate with, allow you to make adequate preparation for such issues or retract your consent to partake in the activity at any time.
You freely admit that your conduct with regard to this and other statements is contrary to anti discrimination laws present in both the USA where the game is based and the UK where you are based and that such conduct is a violation of the Terms of Service which you agreed to be bound to by playing and continuing to use the service.
You freely admit that your idea to create a system would effectively marginalise and restrict gameplay of another group which is also against the law and the terms of service as defined based upon your own needs which you deem superior.
Whilst you and others may debate the issue of the word racism and it's application in this context, which whilst academically correct is rejected. As such a more open definition of bigotry can be applied in this sense and is again freely admitted to and as such will be applied in lieu of racist henceforth.
Translation options are available in game already for large numbers of things including but not limited to, loot drops, skills and bridge officers. Some emotes and other client side automatic typing is usually done in the clients language, this could be made into set translated pieces however the use of such would not apply in all circumstances and could be extremely situational to the point of no use.
Common sense would dictate that a certain amount of give and take with regard to language (in any form) should take place between all involved so as to facilitate better communication however this will not always be possible in every scenario.
Certain items such as help commands when the character is defeated or target calling on specific targets whilst the character is firing, should be immediately apparent but could however be translated locally so that the other members of the team could understand directly. This is unlikely to be of use in PvP however due to the nature of player names.
i dont know about you but most the german's i been grouped with in elite STF's have been the best players and have the best gear and we can usally beat it in 4 min if we have alot of them i really dont care if i can understand them or they can understand me aslong as we get the job done
i dont know about you but most the german's i been grouped with in elite STF's have been the best players and have the best gear and we can usally beat it in 4 min if we have alot of them i really dont care if i can understand them or they can understand me aslong as we get the job done
I agree, some players I know who are "foreign" are also some of the best players I know.
We don't need a system introduced like the one described. It damages everyone.
You freely admit that your conduct with regard to this and other statements is contrary to anti discrimination laws present in both the USA where the game is based and the UK where you are based and that such conduct is a violation of the Terms of Service which you agreed to be bound to by playing and continuing to use the service.
Although my knowledge of US law is limited, my conduct is covered and protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, please see US Supreme Court Case "R.A.V. v City of St. Paul" (I'm afraid I don't know the citation from memory). Also, I have already explained, with sources, that my conduct is acceptable in all EU member states, including the UK. Further, regardless of where the game is based, the only law that applies to me is the law of the country in which I am playing.
You can't claim a right to free speech in a country you aren't resident in. In order to be protected by it, you'd need to be actually in the US whether a citizen or not.
Your idea doesn't apply to you because you are asking a company trading with the general public to implement a policy of discrimination. Which is against US law and EU law should PWE implement it because they would arbitrarily be discriminating against others for no genuine reason.
As I said earlier, what you do as a private individual in a private queue is up to you. You should try utilising it as I suggested earlier.
EDIT: My friend who is a Metropolitan Police Officer advises me of the possibility of there being a case under the Malicious Communications Act for sending grossly offensive messages with the intent to cause anxiety in the recipients on the basis of perceived racial prejudice. If you want to try your luck on that one, I have a crime reference number that I probably can't post here.
You can't claim a right to free speech in a country you aren't resident in. In order to be protected by it, you'd need to be actually in the US whether a citizen or not.
I realise I am not covered, I wouldn't need to be. I said my conduct was covered, not myself as a legal entity. My point served to illustrate that if an American citizen acted in the same way as I have, they would not face prosecution.
Unfortunately, however much I have enjoyed debating points of law with you (and although you are a rather aggressive opponent, you are a good one), I do not feel that your points further the topic at hand and will no longer be responding to your posts. (Unless, of course, they do return to the topic at hand).
EDIT: My friend who is a Metropolitan Police Officer advises me of the possibility of there being a case under the Malicious Communications Act for sending grossly offensive messages with the intent to cause anxiety in the recipients on the basis of perceived racial prejudice. If you want to try your luck on that one, I have a crime reference number that I probably can't post here.
Just saw your Edit, thought I should respond before adhering to my previous post (so as to ensure you can feel justice has been done).
By all means, If you feel your crime reference number presents a case strong enough to warrant extradition to the US on the basis of an apparent breach of a US law by a UK citizen, residing in the UK, committing said infringement in the UK without committing an infringement of the law of England and Wales; then you go right ahead and bring in whatever relevant authorities you feel are necessary. I'm off for the summer and it would be nice to see the US again.
Best to do it through a PM though rather than in open forum, so as to avoid breaching the terms of service. Oh and be aware that said terms of service make anything said here inadmissible due to the corporate ownership of Perfect World Entertainment (which is based in China).
I apologise for assuming you were an American (or based in America). Aside from extradition, I stand by everything else I said. PM me to take the matter further.
EDIT: This makes me think they totally should have made a Star Trek: JAG series.
MORE EDIT: A quick glance at the Malicious Communications Act 1988, section 1, subsection 1 shows that it is not applicable to this matter, my original post was open forum and not directed to a specific person. Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 also falls at the same hurdle.
You're an idiot if you think the police in any country can arrest any of us for "racism". Go ahead and waste your time kid. Not even in the UK. I would say none of us are that stupid, but this is the Internet.
Due to the subject matter of this thread and the fact that my previous warning to stop with the hostile responses is going ignored, I don't think it's profitable to allow this thread to continue any longer. I'm closing it down with my trusty [Wide Angle Forum Phaser Mk XIV [+Mod][-Flames]].
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I think he meant something like "generator left 10%" should be easy to understand by everyone.
Another possibility that was once discussed long ago in another thread was a short message sytem similar to "World of Tanks" where pushing the F buttons allows people to throw out preset messages to everyone.
Preset of course means they're preset like the emotes are, not that the player can preset new ones.
For example "follow me" lets an icon appear over that player for teammates to see and of course that short message is translated to other languages depending on their localization setting.
When a player selects an enemy target he can also use another shortcut to let the other know he's attacking that target...if he wants to tell them of course.
Also, it's possible to select an ally and then hit the "follow me!" shortcut which means only that partciular player gets the message "edwardianed, follow me!"...or whatever "follow me" in that particular language.
It's not perfect but it's short and to the point.:)
You are aware due to the nature of the game provided of the possibility of being teamed with members from other countries who may or may not have an understanding of the same language as you. You are also consciously aware that by partaking in the public queues you are consenting to play with any such individual who is also a member of the same queue; due to the random nature of the queue in question whether they speak your language or not. You accept by partaking in the public queue system that you may be placed in an instance with one or more players with whom you may be unable to communicate with, for whatever reason or who may be unable to play the game effectively.
You accept under the Terms of Service that your use and continued use of the service is "at your own risk" in terms of your interaction with others in this respect.
You are consciously aware that you have the option to create a private queue of an instance of any map for yourself and up to 19 others of your choosing to play as you see fit. You are therefore able by conscious decision, able to discriminate against other players with whom you believe you would be unable to communicate with, allow you to make adequate preparation for such issues or retract your consent to partake in the activity at any time.
You freely admit that your conduct with regard to this and other statements is contrary to anti discrimination laws present in both the USA where the game is based and the UK where you are based and that such conduct is a violation of the Terms of Service which you agreed to be bound to by playing and continuing to use the service.
You freely admit that your idea to create a system would effectively marginalise and restrict gameplay of another group which is also against the law and the terms of service as defined based upon your own needs which you deem superior.
Whilst you and others may debate the issue of the word racism and it's application in this context, which whilst academically correct is rejected. As such a more open definition of bigotry can be applied in this sense and is again freely admitted to and as such will be applied in lieu of racist henceforth.
Translation options are available in game already for large numbers of things including but not limited to, loot drops, skills and bridge officers. Some emotes and other client side automatic typing is usually done in the clients language, this could be made into set translated pieces however the use of such would not apply in all circumstances and could be extremely situational to the point of no use.
Common sense would dictate that a certain amount of give and take with regard to language (in any form) should take place between all involved so as to facilitate better communication however this will not always be possible in every scenario.
Certain items such as help commands when the character is defeated or target calling on specific targets whilst the character is firing, should be immediately apparent but could however be translated locally so that the other members of the team could understand directly. This is unlikely to be of use in PvP however due to the nature of player names.
I agree, some players I know who are "foreign" are also some of the best players I know.
We don't need a system introduced like the one described. It damages everyone.
Although my knowledge of US law is limited, my conduct is covered and protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, please see US Supreme Court Case "R.A.V. v City of St. Paul" (I'm afraid I don't know the citation from memory). Also, I have already explained, with sources, that my conduct is acceptable in all EU member states, including the UK. Further, regardless of where the game is based, the only law that applies to me is the law of the country in which I am playing.
EDIT: grammar.
Your idea doesn't apply to you because you are asking a company trading with the general public to implement a policy of discrimination. Which is against US law and EU law should PWE implement it because they would arbitrarily be discriminating against others for no genuine reason.
As I said earlier, what you do as a private individual in a private queue is up to you. You should try utilising it as I suggested earlier.
EDIT: My friend who is a Metropolitan Police Officer advises me of the possibility of there being a case under the Malicious Communications Act for sending grossly offensive messages with the intent to cause anxiety in the recipients on the basis of perceived racial prejudice. If you want to try your luck on that one, I have a crime reference number that I probably can't post here.
I realise I am not covered, I wouldn't need to be. I said my conduct was covered, not myself as a legal entity. My point served to illustrate that if an American citizen acted in the same way as I have, they would not face prosecution.
Unfortunately, however much I have enjoyed debating points of law with you (and although you are a rather aggressive opponent, you are a good one), I do not feel that your points further the topic at hand and will no longer be responding to your posts. (Unless, of course, they do return to the topic at hand).
Just saw your Edit, thought I should respond before adhering to my previous post (so as to ensure you can feel justice has been done).
By all means, If you feel your crime reference number presents a case strong enough to warrant extradition to the US on the basis of an apparent breach of a US law by a UK citizen, residing in the UK, committing said infringement in the UK without committing an infringement of the law of England and Wales; then you go right ahead and bring in whatever relevant authorities you feel are necessary. I'm off for the summer and it would be nice to see the US again.
Best to do it through a PM though rather than in open forum, so as to avoid breaching the terms of service. Oh and be aware that said terms of service make anything said here inadmissible due to the corporate ownership of Perfect World Entertainment (which is based in China).
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you are a funny one i know that
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I apologise for assuming you were an American (or based in America). Aside from extradition, I stand by everything else I said. PM me to take the matter further.
EDIT: This makes me think they totally should have made a Star Trek: JAG series.
MORE EDIT: A quick glance at the Malicious Communications Act 1988, section 1, subsection 1 shows that it is not applicable to this matter, my original post was open forum and not directed to a specific person. Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 also falls at the same hurdle.
You're an idiot if you think the police in any country can arrest any of us for "racism". Go ahead and waste your time kid. Not even in the UK. I would say none of us are that stupid, but this is the Internet.
Due to the subject matter of this thread and the fact that my previous warning to stop with the hostile responses is going ignored, I don't think it's profitable to allow this thread to continue any longer. I'm closing it down with my trusty [Wide Angle Forum Phaser Mk XIV [+Mod][-Flames]].
"ZAP!"
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If you think any of your posts within a thread have violated the PWE Community Rules and Policies, please edit your posts before a moderator takes action.
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