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edwardianed
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Firstly, let me just say, I like the Germans. As a people they are courteous, industrious, and despite what people say, they have a very good sense of humour. I don't have anything against the Germans. However, my understanding of German is basically limited to saying "which way is the beach?" in broken speech; so when I get teamed up in PvP with four Germans, I have absolutely no idea what it is their telling me to do, and we lose. It's not so bad in STFs as people tend to know what the plan is when you start.
So surely there is some method by which if I'm playing STO in English, I can only be teamed with other people also playing in English?
It's that or I have to get used to be scolded in German for losing us the match
EDIT: To avoid any confusion, I imply all language groups would be better off being teamed together for ease of communication. I only single out German speakers for this example because it happened recently.
Also, don't make this about race, it has nothing to do with race. I couldn't give a flying fig what colour your skin is or what country you come from, just what language you speak. Logic dictates a team that can't communicate will not operate at peak efficiency.
So surely there is some method by which if I'm playing STO in English, I can only be teamed with other people also playing in English?
It's that or I have to get used to be scolded in German for losing us the match
EDIT: To avoid any confusion, I imply all language groups would be better off being teamed together for ease of communication. I only single out German speakers for this example because it happened recently.
Also, don't make this about race, it has nothing to do with race. I couldn't give a flying fig what colour your skin is or what country you come from, just what language you speak. Logic dictates a team that can't communicate will not operate at peak efficiency.
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I know it's not easy. I'm just trying to help. Do you usally tell them you don't understand? Maybe some don't understand english too, but if one does, he can "translate". Keeping phrases/tactics simple also helps.
In this situation sounds like you were the literal fifth wheel in a premade and would have probably been a liability anyway whether they spoke English or not.
It's not just "the Germans" it's a general problem.
most germans do speak english, typically you will have 4-8 years english in school in germany
I've seen that suggested as the answer to almost every problem with team play in this whole game. Frankly, I think it's a damn stupid answer.
I'm not saying it wouldn't work, of course it would work, but it goes against every principle of good service I can think of. If, for example, you went to a restaurant and the food served to you was inedible, no one in their right mind would suggest "well, you should have made your own food", at least not with any seriousness. When a service is unsatisfactory (and others agree, not just you having some nonsense complaint), it is the duty of the service provider to improve it, not the customer.
The answer to bad PvP is not to get all the good PvP players to abandon it and only play in their own select groups, that will just kill it faster. PvP needs to become more inclusive not exclusive, all that's required is for the Devs to bring in systems for managing it; matchmaking, leaderboards, tutorials. PUGs are supposed to be where you get a random challenge based on the skill of the players involved. The "private queue only" attitude is why PUGs are currently where good players come to die at the hands of ineptitude and/or leeching.
On a side note, I probably was a fifth wheel in their group, and I'm sorry my lack of German understanding lost us the match
Well.......................
If you PUG it be happy with what you get. And if those people don't speak your language....have you ever considered that you don't speak theirs?
Yes I have, hence why I suggested that people are teamed with their respective language groups rather than insisting people have to learn each others language. I don't for a moment assume that English is a more correct, or dominant language that others should learn. In the same way I shouldn't have to learn German.
As far as I'm concerned, if we don't play the game in the same language, then it should be assumed we cannot adequately communicate.
yet every time I see a German fleet ad in zone chat I see someone hollering TRIBBLE's...
don't expect me to have much sympathy.
It is not a "sub par" service that one or all of your team didn't speak your language. Nor is it something Cryptic should address. This is an international game, not all players will speak your language deal with it. It's an unrealistic expectation to think that everyone will as a result.
If you want to discriminate who you play with for whatever reason, you should do that yourself or simply put up and shut up about it. Don't expect Cryptic or anyone else to apply some kind of filter to stop players from interacting legitimately in game.
As I said, if you are that concerned about people speaking in your language, you can form a private team and queue yourself because premade teams using voice chat, already haunt the queues (Pandas, TSI etc.) and if you're a fifth wheel already not in their team, you're behind from the get go it's just something you either have to live with or form your own.
Good PvP teams use things like Teamspeak and not the chat box so your lack of German didn't cost you the match. Good PvP matches aren't about an individual either; the team either works or it doesn't. Unless you really were so poor that you had absolutely no understanding of how to play at all, in which case German or English nothing would have helped you anyway.
Contrary to popular belief there are tutorials for PvP and they begin at Level 5. People by and large just don't PvP until they are 50 and that again is there own choice through acquiescence.
Portuguese isn't strange at all
1. Kindly read anything I have typed, and you will see I very clearly stated I do not assume people should speak English.
2. I did not suggest any kind of filter that would segregate players, I suggested changing the auto-teaming based on language filters. One would not be prevented from teaming internationally of their own volition.
3. I can play PvP. Your attempt at veiled insult does not contribute to the debate at hand.
4. I have been playing PvP since level 5, the tutorial of which was "Hey, go play some PvP".
That is a filter on that probably wouldn't work. Most people that speak other languages choose to remain together anyway and are treated badly by the English speaking population.
All that anyone needs to be able to do in this game is play it, there is no reason that you should need to be able to hold a conversation with the other players. Tactics just aren't that complicated and there is no reason why I shouldn't be able to PvP or STF with someone just because they speak German, French or Martian, provided that they know what they are doing which they should.
If you have the skill and competence, you should be able to play the game effectively whether the other people on your team speak English or Esperanto. It doesn't matter. Logically if you don't, it also doesn't matter. That wasn't an insult, simply a point of logic.
We don't need to add to the already prevalent racism directed at non English speakers in this game and validate it by banning their interaction with the majority through the teaming system.
If you get into a PUG team and you don't understand each other, then just do what you have to do, call targets if you need to and wing it. I wouldn't worry about it to be honest even if you could understand each other in the heat of battle typing out commands is not gonna happen anyway !
Other people saying you should learn basic languages should be telling that to their foreign language speaking friends that they should learn English. If the Germans in that team were educated they should have understood your speaking in English and if they didn't were probably deliberately ignoring you.
I'll be taking this as irony.
Actually we all should learn mandarin...
Yes for when the Chineese buy America and the West in general!
Always good to speak the language of your overlords.
Usually games that have localized versions, offer servers that are dedicated to that language, so people can choose weather they want to play on an english-speaking server or not.
LOL
I wasn't thinking on those lines. More on the subject that it has the greater number of speakers. More than the next ones put together.
1. I assumed no such thing, I politely requested it, based on a logical argument.
2. Again, I didn't suggest that you shouldn't. I suggest that it should not be part of the auto-team system.
3. Team based activities depend on the skill of the group as a whole, not the individual. There is no 'i' in 'team'.
4. Language has nothing to do with race. One can be of any race and speak any language.
Learning English has been mandatory in german schools since class 5 for ages, so in a group of 4 players there is bound to be someone able to at least have basic knowledge to give you directions.
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2. If you remove it from the auto team system as you suggested, you would probably find the waits in queues even longer if the server is having to discriminate against players in different localisations. That's if this was even feasible.
3. Yes they do. I said this. Hence you being unable to understand German in a team of Germans was unlikely to be the cause of either defeat or success. Hence logically your idea doesn't hold water except to add a perceived convenience factor. You also suggest erroneously that they were unable to understand you, as has been pointed out in this thread, English is compulsory in German schools.
4. Your original post refers to all Germans. You have used a national identity to justify a prejudice against playing with a certain group of people. That is de facto racism based on the nationality of the persons involved. It logically follows that discrimination against players of a specific language or preference for one specific language above all others is also racism.
You can tell them in english, I usually write and speak in german too but will gladly switch to english or at least play the translator when there are people in the group that don't speak german and/or the other germans are not as well versed in english as I am.
You don't need some fancy pancy filters or such if you just use common sense and common courtesy
If you honestly believe that communication is not required in team activities, then you clearly don't understand the point of team activities. There's nothing more I can say to you to debate the point whilst you still hold to such a crucial misunderstanding of being a team player.