The Somraw Raptor Retrofit is a good option if you prefer the integrated Cloak. While it does give up a little speed and some shield modifier, it gains a tad in hull and allows you to go full cannons without wasting that Ensign boff seat. You don't get the 5 Tac consoles in the Fleet version either, but you can't have everything, lol.
Really, I just wanted to point out that there are options as far as ships; you just have to play this as a game and not obsess over getting everything on one faction. Try the others out, see if you like how they play a bit more than the other, and more than anything... have fun with it :P
Seriously... you do know you can just make a Klingon character right? I suppose the devs could just copy the Somraw's stats into the Defiant... but why?
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Just a little information for the people that cry nerving the Fleet Defiant. She is the only fleet ship that only gets an additional ship console and a 10% hull bonus all other ships get an additional console +10% more hull and 10% more shields and some other ships even get universal boff slots.
I believe that since the U.S.S Defiant had a cloak that any star fleet ship should have one seeing as how the Romulan Empire and the federation are just about at war with each other and the no starfleet cloak treaty is now dust with the rest of the treaties due to the conflict
star fleet scientists start making cloaks
starfleet corps of engineers start installing so we can make our ships unseen and unheard
Even so, even if they did use a Romulan cloak as the starting point...it would still end up being a Federation cloak more, because they would adjust it and change it to work the most efficiently it can in a Federation ship. So it would still honestly be a Federation cloak at the end, because they probably would change a considerable amount on it.
maybe fed cloak but stat wise would be similar to rommie design thus it would be a BATTLE CLOAK. Note This version should only be for the zen defiant. and the Galx has a standard cloak
Does it mean better cloak? As i understand it, it's just a different approach to the problem.
Better cloak means harder to detect. And as we've seen with the interphase cloak in "The Next Phase", which seems to be somewhat similar in its application, Geordi and Ro could still be detected just fine while "cloaked" even though the crew of the Enterprise didn't intentionally looked for their emissions...or had any clue what the readings actually meant;)
no the pegasus cloak could not be detected it was equal to rommies cloak except the phase part which gave it an edge.
Seriously... you do know you can just make a Klingon character right? I suppose the devs could just copy the Somraw's stats into the Defiant... but why?
How would a KDF player react to being told "you should just play a Federation character if you want [X] feature"?
The answer is, not well. They've wanted faction equality for the entire run of the game so far, and rightly so.
Still, I don't want to get into a discussion on faction parity. All people want is Federation ships that currently already cloak to not have arbitrary restrictions on their cloaking devices that no other ship in the game has. With the inclusion of Romulan ships with integrated battle cloaks, giving three Federation ships integrated regular cloaks isn't asking a whole lot.
I've said it before though, I really don't believe these Fed ships need battle cloaks. Just the regular cloaks they already have, but as integrated systems.
How would a KDF player react to being told "you should just play a Federation character if you want [X] feature"?
The answer is, not well. They've wanted faction equality for the entire run of the game so far, and rightly so.
Still, I don't want to get into a discussion on faction parity. All people want is Federation ships that currently already cloak to not have arbitrary restrictions on their cloaking devices that no other ship in the game has. With the inclusion of Romulan ships with integrated battle cloaks, giving three Federation ships integrated regular cloaks isn't asking a whole lot.
I've said it before though, I really don't believe these Fed ships need battle cloaks. Just the regular cloaks they already have, but as integrated systems.
Yeah but that's not what everyone is asking for and even in the name of this thread they want battlecloak and even integrated battlecloak.
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Yeah but that's not what everyone is asking for and even in the name of this thread they want battlecloak and even integrated battlecloak.
While the OP wants an integrated battle cloak, I would say the overwhelming opinion in the thread itself is that people just want the regular cloak integrated into the ship.
Like I said before I would love it if she gets a battle cloak, but if they give her a build in cloak again I would be also happy. This should count for both the C-Store and the Fleet Defiant and of course also for the Galaxy-X and the Fleet Galaxy-X (if we ever get her).
How would a KDF player react to being told "you should just play a Federation character if you want [X] feature"?
The answer is, not well. They've wanted faction equality for the entire run of the game so far, and rightly so.
Still, I don't want to get into a discussion on faction parity. All people want is Federation ships that currently already cloak to not have arbitrary restrictions on their cloaking devices that no other ship in the game has. With the inclusion of Romulan ships with integrated battle cloaks, giving three Federation ships integrated regular cloaks isn't asking a whole lot.
I've said it before though, I really don't believe these Fed ships need battle cloaks. Just the regular cloaks they already have, but as integrated systems.
Fair enough, though I actually have a character in each of the factions. I like getting the opportunity to try out different gameplay options, and therefore... did so.
Think of it this way... why don't Kar'Fi have an integrated Phase Shift Generator? The console has a 3 minute cooldown, and can only be used on the Kar'Fi. Most of the other ships in the KDF have integrated cloak in the first place, so it's silly to take up a console slot with a technology that they have access to anyway, in a variety only available to that design. There aren't even any political implications to worry about, since they haven't signed any treaties preventing them from developing or improving cloaking technology.
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I can agree with it being battle cloak on the grounds it was a romulan device and that seems their standard issue
However I can't agree with it being integrated(It was installed AFTER the ship was commisioned or as effective(it wasn't part of the design) if it's going to be battle cloak it has to give a lower bonus and have a worse cooldown than standard romulan battle cloak.
Otherwise? well the ship is fine with or without it so i'm not going to demand that it be changed.
I can agree with it being battle cloak on the grounds it was a romulan device and that seems their standard issue
However I can't agree with it being integrated(It was installed AFTER the ship was commisioned or as effective(it wasn't part of the design) if it's going to be battle cloak it has to give a lower bonus and have a worse cooldown than standard romulan battle cloak.
Otherwise? well the ship is fine with or without it so i'm not going to demand that it be changed.
Didn't the Original Romulan cloak get replaced with a Klingon design?
The problem is all Cloaks in the TV show where Battle Cloaks, this game decided that Cloaking would be Divided into Cloak out of Combat and Cloak when ever you want.
I'd argue every Cloaking Device should be a Battle Cloak and that as a Result the KDF BoP series of ships needs a small Buff because it's Battle Cloak was a Special feature that resulted in lower hull and shields.
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Didn't the Original Romulan cloak get replaced with a Klingon design?
The problem is all Cloaks in the TV show where Battle Cloaks, this game decided that Cloaking would be Divided into Cloak out of Combat and Cloak when ever you want.
I'd argue every Cloaking Device should be a Battle Cloak and that as a Result the KDF BoP series of ships needs a small Buff because it's Battle Cloak was a Special feature that resulted in lower hull and shields.
I have the T5 Defiant from the C store. Even though it has it, I don't even use it. Why? Since most of the Fed ships don't have it. I don't need it. And I can still blow my target into dust. Now if I want to run around cloaked. I get on my KDF or Romulan.
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I don't use the cloak often either. I usually have it in my bank, but allowing the use of the cloak as an integrated feature of the ship allow the player who paid for the ship to get the ability to be able to use it freely.
Didn't the Original Romulan cloak get replaced with a Klingon design?
The problem is all Cloaks in the TV show where Battle Cloaks, this game decided that Cloaking would be Divided into Cloak out of Combat and Cloak when ever you want.
I'd argue every Cloaking Device should be a Battle Cloak and that as a Result the KDF BoP series of ships needs a small Buff because it's Battle Cloak was a Special feature that resulted in lower hull and shields.
Another issue is, that like shields, weapons, engines etc, in cannon cloaks can be damaged and taken offline, in game the cloak cannot get damaged.
Yes but in the TV shows all systems where vulnerable to damage. They didn't just have Hull and Shields like we do.
While I'm actually for system damage and repair, I don't think the game engine is capable of supporting it.
Cloaking Devices now work like Battle Cloak but have a chance to be taken offline by damage.
Battle Cloaks are tougher and far less likely to go offline and quicker to bring back online.
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Yes it's time for built in battle cloak on the Defiant & the Galaxy X, as with EVERY Klingon ship that only has standard cloak & the console should grant any ship the ability to enter battle cloak.
Sorry guys, but the Romulans changed everything. They all have battle cloak & that has changed the power balance. With the new Rom/Rem boffs you can get a lot of damage from the ambush buff, and that buffs every weapon on your ship including kinetic weapons.
First I want to rant and say damaged ships should be locked out of ques till repairs are carried out. It's free at a starbase so no big deal. Also healing a guy who won't repair his ship is generally a waste of time.
While similar to what I meant, it's a different system.
It's a on/off percentile de-buff.
I meant more of your repair crews are trying to keep things up so the more hammered you get the harder they work, this would also make crew size and count be a worthwhile stat.
So avoiding getting hammered means your systems get restored. But this would increase the difficulty of the game no end. Zombie Cruisers would be a thing of the past. Escorts would be glass Cannons, Crew would matter, Engineering team would be as vital to ships as Tac Team...
You know that's starting to sound pretty good isn't it. Not sure how it would effect PVP but.
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Seriously... you do know you can just make a Klingon character right? I suppose the devs could just copy the Somraw's stats into the Defiant... but why?
star fleet scientists start making cloaks
starfleet corps of engineers start installing so we can make our ships unseen and unheard
maybe fed cloak but stat wise would be similar to rommie design thus it would be a BATTLE CLOAK. Note This version should only be for the zen defiant. and the Galx has a standard cloak
no the pegasus cloak could not be detected it was equal to rommies cloak except the phase part which gave it an edge.
How would a KDF player react to being told "you should just play a Federation character if you want [X] feature"?
The answer is, not well. They've wanted faction equality for the entire run of the game so far, and rightly so.
Still, I don't want to get into a discussion on faction parity. All people want is Federation ships that currently already cloak to not have arbitrary restrictions on their cloaking devices that no other ship in the game has. With the inclusion of Romulan ships with integrated battle cloaks, giving three Federation ships integrated regular cloaks isn't asking a whole lot.
I've said it before though, I really don't believe these Fed ships need battle cloaks. Just the regular cloaks they already have, but as integrated systems.
Yeah but that's not what everyone is asking for and even in the name of this thread they want battlecloak and even integrated battlecloak.
While the OP wants an integrated battle cloak, I would say the overwhelming opinion in the thread itself is that people just want the regular cloak integrated into the ship.
Fair enough, though I actually have a character in each of the factions. I like getting the opportunity to try out different gameplay options, and therefore... did so.
Think of it this way... why don't Kar'Fi have an integrated Phase Shift Generator? The console has a 3 minute cooldown, and can only be used on the Kar'Fi. Most of the other ships in the KDF have integrated cloak in the first place, so it's silly to take up a console slot with a technology that they have access to anyway, in a variety only available to that design. There aren't even any political implications to worry about, since they haven't signed any treaties preventing them from developing or improving cloaking technology.
I can agree with it being battle cloak on the grounds it was a romulan device and that seems their standard issue
However I can't agree with it being integrated(It was installed AFTER the ship was commisioned or as effective(it wasn't part of the design) if it's going to be battle cloak it has to give a lower bonus and have a worse cooldown than standard romulan battle cloak.
Otherwise? well the ship is fine with or without it so i'm not going to demand that it be changed.
Didn't the Original Romulan cloak get replaced with a Klingon design?
The problem is all Cloaks in the TV show where Battle Cloaks, this game decided that Cloaking would be Divided into Cloak out of Combat and Cloak when ever you want.
I'd argue every Cloaking Device should be a Battle Cloak and that as a Result the KDF BoP series of ships needs a small Buff because it's Battle Cloak was a Special feature that resulted in lower hull and shields.
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I'm for that.
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Another issue is, that like shields, weapons, engines etc, in cannon cloaks can be damaged and taken offline, in game the cloak cannot get damaged.
While I'm actually for system damage and repair, I don't think the game engine is capable of supporting it.
Cloaking Devices now work like Battle Cloak but have a chance to be taken offline by damage.
Battle Cloaks are tougher and far less likely to go offline and quicker to bring back online.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Sorry guys, but the Romulans changed everything. They all have battle cloak & that has changed the power balance. With the new Rom/Rem boffs you can get a lot of damage from the ambush buff, and that buffs every weapon on your ship including kinetic weapons.
While similar to what I meant, it's a different system.
It's a on/off percentile de-buff.
I meant more of your repair crews are trying to keep things up so the more hammered you get the harder they work, this would also make crew size and count be a worthwhile stat.
So avoiding getting hammered means your systems get restored. But this would increase the difficulty of the game no end. Zombie Cruisers would be a thing of the past. Escorts would be glass Cannons, Crew would matter, Engineering team would be as vital to ships as Tac Team...
You know that's starting to sound pretty good isn't it. Not sure how it would effect PVP but.
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