Perhaps due to age I am a little more patient than the average player. I am in no hurry to grind the rep system and generally do it as and when I feel like it for my 9 toons. Some of them will probably never get it, those that I use the most are gradually filling up. In the fleet we have so many other activities that it's a lot of fun to go run a couple of STFs, do a Nukara external, hand around shooting Borg on Defera or running story missions as a group in between messing around in Kerrat and arenas.
I think if you take a different approach, one of spreading the load over time, you'll find that it gets done fairly easily and faster than you would think, and all the time you won't begrudge the experience. I hear of people repping 14 toons one after the other and then complaining like hell about the grind. Well nobody is making them do it that way other than their own compulsion to have everything finished as soon as possible.
And when you get to the end of the rep system for all your toons, then what? Are you just going to wait for the next season? Take your time and enjoy it, if you don't feel like doing it then don't. go do something else for a while, then when you do go back and do a bit more it will be fun, which is what gaming is all about and why we are here after all.
This is what happens when you don't read and understand the issue properly and start writing wall of texts.
I am glad you are very patient but it has nothing do with it. It is about doing the same boring reputation tasks over and over again especially if you are one of those with 4 or more alts.
I am also very patient but expecting players to do rep grind on every single character is just borderline insanity.
Playing alts is one of the main strengths of this game and gives it a longevity but the current system discourages alts.
Like someone else mentioned Cryptic need to take look at legacy reputation system of SWTOR which is account bind and encourages players to play more and not less.
I personally know a lot of players in fleet who stopped playing alts and are logging in less and less everyday.Even i am logging less everyday..earlier i used to be very active with alts. Now i grind dili and log out.
So you sort of agreeing with his point you won't be "enjoying" reputation on another 6 characters?
I am actually looking at the delete button of the last alt I will ever make right now still thinking about deleting him because I refuse to re-re-re-re-unlock the same old gear.
I got enough resources for a new ship for him but he is just too far behind...
If the reputation store was unlocked I'd be grinding on him and making more characters.
Now I don't know if they want us to stop making characters but that's certainly the impression you get.
I understand the issue very well indeed, I just don't care to let it bother me. None of the reputation equipment or passives are necessary to play any of the content in STO. Unless you are min/maxing for PvP then it makes only a marginal difference overall in story missions. I have plenty of toons, 6 of them have zero rep, and it certainly doesn't stop any of them from PvPing and running STFs when I fancy a change of toon.
I hardly think that what I wrote corresponds to a wall of text either. If you can't understand or appreciate my advice or choose to ignore it that is your prerogative, I was simply trying to offer a possible alternative way of looking at the issue.
Nothing is necessary really. Even logging in game is not necessary but that is not the point. We are discussing about how to give more longevity to game by making it more alt friendly so that players have more reasons to play their alts beyond 50 not less.
I understood your point very well but your point had nothing to do with original topic in discussion. You made a strawman argument about being patient. If someone is doing all 3 rep grinds on one character, he is surely not impatient.
The old system forced people to do various mission, as the only way to have a given item was to do a certain mission. IE MK XII ground weapon dropping on CGE, nowhere else. Now, everyone is farming ISE for Omega marks, Epohhs for Romulan marks, and CCE or ground Nukara boss during event for Nukara marks. I'm building a MKXII omega ground gear for my Romulan using space mission only. Once I got it, I'll do the accolades for ground mission to unlock to the costume, never to play them again.
Why should I do a long and somewhat difficult IGE for 100marks, when I can do an easy and fast ISE for the same amount of marks ?
There is a lot of good instance in STO, but most of them award so little, and you need to grind so hard, they are barely played. Atmospheric assault is awesome, for example, but the reward is BS. I'd want to do it, but honestly, I don't have time for it. My play time is dedicated to the grind it is to have some reputation gear. Especially if you don't have a big fleet and access to fleet store, and rely entirely on reputation items for endgame gear.
I won't even mention the normal ground mission, like the ones on New Romulus. You need to bring back 10 plants that randomly spawn around the map, for an astonishing 1 mark reward. No, it's not a typo or a joke, it's really 1 mark.
I'm with you on the laughable low amounts of Romulan and Nukara marks that we earn when compared to the amounts that we can get of Omega Marks for running STF's.
The one major complaint that I have about both the Romulan and Nukara rep systems is that neither of them have an STF system that can be used to amass large amounts of Marks quickly.
I on my 60 day old Romulan Character I already have something like 10000 Omega Marks but just about 200 of the Romulan and Nukara Marks.
If Cryptic is unwilling to create STF level missions to support the new Rep Systems that they add to STO then they should add the option to earn Romulan and Nukara marks to the existing STF that we have.
Perhaps changing the Optional Missions in our STF's to reward an optional Mark Box just like we get with the CE and Mind Trap that gives us the option to choose between Omega, Romulan or Nukara marks; get it, it ties in with the term Optional :eek:
Maybe at the very least add a mark converter so players like myself that have more Omega marks that we'll ever need can convert them to other Marks that we can barely get enough of.
Get a second game switch back and forth it helps break things up when you feel burnt. Better than getting burnt on the game as a whole. I rock some World of Tanks and Defiance with a little swtor mixed in. Everything is free to play so it doesn't matter these days how many you play. However Swtor really is only worth playing if you pay.
If you PVP, you need to if you want to be competitive and not get lol-face-steamrolled. Those rep abilities and gear make a big difference. If you had 2 PVPers who are of equal skill and mistakes are at a minimum, then gear and any character / ship benefits start playing an increasingly larger role. If you don't have decent equipment, and you don't have reputation buffs, then you will be increasingly at a disadvantage.
Without the high end rep stuff, you are missing out on some of the game's most sought after benefits and equipment. The STF sets that are so crucial to every build. The Romulan Rep stuff like Elite Scorpions and Hyper-Plasma Torps which rock in PVE (takes alot of care to make these work in PVP), and not to mention the Plasma weapons. The Romulan Rep placate, and all the other buffs from Omega & Romulan tiers. And I haven't even counted Nukara stuff.
There will be those that have these mastered to varying degrees. Some all 3. And if you do not take care to work up those rep tiers, again, you will be at a disadvantage.
This "entry level cost" for PVP is something that has been brought up a bit. New players, new PVPers are totally left behind.
This man is right, and PvP in this game will keep failing unless cryptic finally does somethinga bout it and makes it interesting for other people as well.
Why not want more competition then a dumb NPC? The problem is that with every patch or addition they add to this game the gap between newer players and older ones is increasing significantly.
At its current form, its already in critical condition. Add a few more reps and PvP is ruined beyond repair (For whatever this is not already true)
Adding rep's make no sense, it destroys PvP and apparently it adds very little to 99% of the PVE'ers in this game because from what I can see nobody likes grinding up for it. And it makes no sense either, because you can pretty much finish an STF solo'ing or 2 manning, or even 5 shuttles can do the job.
Its merely a bad implementation of content wheras they could invest their time in new featured episodes etc but you know... Cryptic.
Get a second game switch back and forth it helps break things up when you feel burnt. Better than getting burnt on the game as a whole. I rock some World of Tanks and Defiance with a little swtor mixed in. Everything is free to play so it doesn't matter these days how many you play. However Swtor really is only worth playing if you pay.
I play Skyrim on pc as my calm down game. But that also mean that STO is more work than fun now. I have to play another game to de-stress.. @_@
ersonally, i play this game less and less every day because of the rep system. worse yet ( apparently ) i only have three alts. i dont even play them any more.. I didnt buy a Scimitar to take into estf's eight to ten times a day every day just to get dil to build rep. i bought it to run missions and have fun with, but no, you gotta build that rep. you gotta grind that dil, and for what? So you can go back out and grind even more dil.. It takes one day of grinding to get the dil for one piece of T2 equipment. it takes two days to refine that dil so its usable. multiply that buy the amount of sets you have to buy to increase that rep to the next tier, and you have a spiraling and constantly widening ladder of rep grinding.. Thats not a game. thats mind numbing factory work.. I aint no youngster either, but i am running out of patience quickly.. If they want rep system fine, but it needs to be completely reworked and made enjoyable.. right now its anything but.
I play Skyrim on pc as my calm down game. But that also mean that STO is more work than fun now. I have to play another game to de-stress.. @_@
Istarted getting the impression that DStahl and co. were purposefully trying to kill the game.. I have seen nothing to make me think different so far. I'm getting to where i really want tosee star citizen released just so i have something fun to play.
Istarted getting the impression that DStahl and co. were purposefully trying to kill the game.. I have seen nothing to make me think different so far. I'm getting to where i really want tosee star citizen released just so i have something fun to play.
If Star Citizen ends up being even half the game they claim it will be, STO's days are numbered.
I think at the very least cooldown timers on rep projects should be removed if you have completed that tier of rep on another character. If I have done it before on another character why should I wait 20 hours. Also those rep projects should give bonus rep points if you have completed that tier on another character. I won't need to buy character slots until this happens because I won't make anymore.
I think at the very least cooldown timers on rep projects should be removed if you have completed that tier of rep on another character. If I have done it before on another character why should I wait 20 hours. Also those rep projects should give bonus rep points if you have completed that tier on another character. I won't need to buy character slots until this happens because I won't make anymore.
I have only 3 alts but even then i will never do it again on any of my alts. My fed sci hit 50 recently and now its only purpose it to grind dili. Whenever i see those boring reputation tasks and 100K rep each..i just lose the will to play it. And like i said earlier a lot feel the same way. So you are not alone.
Actually, I'd rather expect them to take up the challenge and develop STO more into that direction.
I don't know what it is anymore, but why do people continiously defend this game?
This is how the conversations usually go:
1. Someone complains on the forums that something needs to be changed.
2. Cryptic either doesn't listen, or doesn't change it.
3. People whine that people are whining on troll on them. Some of them being veteran players.
4. Other people come in with the same complaints.
5. Other people defend Cryptic saying "it's the way it's mean to be."
6. Cryptic comes out with a "fix" that gives them more profit. Rather then listening to the players.
You see I used to be a veteran EverQuest player. By content and difficulty alone it puts this game to shame.
Not only that the customer service with EverQuest was SUPERB. Even more so that they had a Guide program that listened to people's issues, and petitions/tickets were answered in a very timely fashion. (I WAS a Guide, I know how it was.) The stuff that Cryptic does to the player base would of never flew over well. The game would of gone under in a matter of months. (EverQuest) that is.
However it seems Cryptic at this point is trying to grab every last penny they can from the player base. I have since canceled my gold, and will NOT spend one more cent on this game. I have spent probably over $250.00 worth of ZEN on this game from buying stuff and + subs + converting Zen to DIL. Then what do I get in return? Bugs. A bugged character for the lat 3 months, horrible customer service. A company that does not care about it's customers or fan base.
You see I don't have time to grind 10 different ALTs to get the amount of DIL i need. That is NEITHER realistic nor should have to be done to get the amount required just for one item. This doesn't make it a "challenging" game. It just forces people to logon to get Cryptic = More profit.
This company has the worst and utterly the most inconceivable idea of what they call customer service.
I need to know why the heck people are defending Cryptic on every single aspect of this a game, when a lot of players can agree something is either broken, or needs to be fixed or improved upon. I don't know if you guys are a glutton for punishment, or just have a lot of money so it doesn't bother you, but for us poorer people, yet it get sickening.
I never seen a player base so scared, and just defend a horrible company. Why because the game is named "Star Trek." Put any other name to this game and NO ONE would play it. The people that keep this game alive, are either rich, or just so far gone with Star Trek, they will say and do ANYTHING for Cryptic to defend them.
People complain because it helps things improve, tells a company there is something wrong with their product.
All the tactics that Cryptic does, the 8K dil limit, (and TRIBBLE you over for that day if you don't refine, why?) no benefit of becoming a gold member, every new ship, new item costing money? Fleet Modules costing a buttload, the ridiculous grind and pricing for a Starbase. This s all okay with people though? Bugs in the game that have been in the game since launch/CB/OB. Bugged zones, bugged missions, bugged equipment?
This is okay by everyone? Everyone just keeps paying money and defending this company. I don't understand this, what do you hope to accomplish, get brownie points for Cryptic so they give you something free? They will drop you like a hat if they wanted to. You get NOTHING for bending over backwards for them.
Where is the Tribble reward they promised everyone?
There have been SEVERAL posts that either have gone to the wayside, or been delted or moved, so they can't be seen on this forum, about the Reputation grind.
They aren't going to do anything about it, they know the more grind you have to do the more money you spend. IF you are stupid enough to do that, it's your own fault.
There is a difference with difficulty and then grinding. Making something a long grind that takes you months, or almost a year to get doesn't make it a challenging game. It makes it a money sink. I guess people are too ignorant to see this (and being stupid and ignorant are two different things.)
I am playing less and less due to this fact, it's sad that the game has become this.
This game will get so bad eventually that there will be no way out of paying for something, maybe a new item, or a new ship. What's going to happen when the raise the level limit "Buy Zen for more SKill Points!" People think that would be ludicrous but Cryptic has lured you slowly into this trap, that when it comes people like "okay ill bend over for you."
How people accept this game as it is, and continually pay a company with horrible customer service, is still beyond me.
I've taken a break as I burned out on romulus and omega marks before LOR and then got to tier 3 of Nukara before I got bored of that/. My laptop then packed in so forced me tot take a break rather then me taking one which would have happened and I possibly wouldn't have returned. So once my laptop is sorted I can come back refreshed and ready to kick some tholian TRIBBLE. What would be good is if when I do get back if Cryptic can run the double mark weekend again that actually works rather than feeding us a load of bull **** like last time.
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I'm with you guys here, I haven't logged in to my other toons unless I need dil for the one I'm currently running rep on. The grind has taken the fun out of the game. I haven't even started the rep on a couple toons and I'm just not sure if I can stomach it...maybe I will just delete them.
I don't know what it is anymore, but why do people continiously defend this game?.........................How people accept this game as it is, and continually pay a company with horrible customer service, is still beyond me.
...no offense meant by the snip, just don't want a wall of text.....+2000 to this guy.....
Interesting, and you have proof of these haxxors as you put it? Do not name anyone but I would be interested, as I suspect would many others, in exactly what type of hacks, scripts and cheats are employed or available within STO to exploit.
If you have evidence of these then submit them to Cryptic as a matter of urgency and give a listing of them (not how to reproduce them) in the reply to this post.
Actually, discussing such things at all would be a violation of forum rules so posting them here in the forums is not a good idea. Reporting any exploits via more private channels is the right way to go.
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This is a joke right, come on!!! We don't want anymore rep grinds!! Seriously this is just completely ignoring the community at this point, COMPLETELY>
They have also confirmed there will be a robust new endgame system implemented at the same time. That could make it actually worth doing if they do it right, such as randomly generated scenarios/enemies etc.
I think half the problem with this game is that people are just tired of the same old content once you hit L50. And then having to hammer said content over and over for reputation.
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This is what happens when you don't read and understand the issue properly and start writing wall of texts.
I am glad you are very patient but it has nothing do with it. It is about doing the same boring reputation tasks over and over again especially if you are one of those with 4 or more alts.
I am also very patient but expecting players to do rep grind on every single character is just borderline insanity.
Playing alts is one of the main strengths of this game and gives it a longevity but the current system discourages alts.
Like someone else mentioned Cryptic need to take look at legacy reputation system of SWTOR which is account bind and encourages players to play more and not less.
I personally know a lot of players in fleet who stopped playing alts and are logging in less and less everyday.Even i am logging less everyday..earlier i used to be very active with alts. Now i grind dili and log out.
I am actually looking at the delete button of the last alt I will ever make right now still thinking about deleting him because I refuse to re-re-re-re-unlock the same old gear.
I got enough resources for a new ship for him but he is just too far behind...
If the reputation store was unlocked I'd be grinding on him and making more characters.
Now I don't know if they want us to stop making characters but that's certainly the impression you get.
Nothing is necessary really. Even logging in game is not necessary but that is not the point. We are discussing about how to give more longevity to game by making it more alt friendly so that players have more reasons to play their alts beyond 50 not less.
I understood your point very well but your point had nothing to do with original topic in discussion. You made a strawman argument about being patient. If someone is doing all 3 rep grinds on one character, he is surely not impatient.
I'm with you on the laughable low amounts of Romulan and Nukara marks that we earn when compared to the amounts that we can get of Omega Marks for running STF's.
The one major complaint that I have about both the Romulan and Nukara rep systems is that neither of them have an STF system that can be used to amass large amounts of Marks quickly.
I on my 60 day old Romulan Character I already have something like 10000 Omega Marks but just about 200 of the Romulan and Nukara Marks.
If Cryptic is unwilling to create STF level missions to support the new Rep Systems that they add to STO then they should add the option to earn Romulan and Nukara marks to the existing STF that we have.
Perhaps changing the Optional Missions in our STF's to reward an optional Mark Box just like we get with the CE and Mind Trap that gives us the option to choose between Omega, Romulan or Nukara marks; get it, it ties in with the term Optional :eek:
Maybe at the very least add a mark converter so players like myself that have more Omega marks that we'll ever need can convert them to other Marks that we can barely get enough of.
This man is right, and PvP in this game will keep failing unless cryptic finally does somethinga bout it and makes it interesting for other people as well.
Why not want more competition then a dumb NPC? The problem is that with every patch or addition they add to this game the gap between newer players and older ones is increasing significantly.
At its current form, its already in critical condition. Add a few more reps and PvP is ruined beyond repair (For whatever this is not already true)
Adding rep's make no sense, it destroys PvP and apparently it adds very little to 99% of the PVE'ers in this game because from what I can see nobody likes grinding up for it. And it makes no sense either, because you can pretty much finish an STF solo'ing or 2 manning, or even 5 shuttles can do the job.
Its merely a bad implementation of content wheras they could invest their time in new featured episodes etc but you know... Cryptic.
I play Skyrim on pc as my calm down game. But that also mean that STO is more work than fun now. I have to play another game to de-stress.. @_@
Istarted getting the impression that DStahl and co. were purposefully trying to kill the game.. I have seen nothing to make me think different so far. I'm getting to where i really want tosee star citizen released just so i have something fun to play.
Or maybe he's just right and your ad hominem attempt indicates your lack of arguments..
If Star Citizen ends up being even half the game they claim it will be, STO's days are numbered.
I have only 3 alts but even then i will never do it again on any of my alts. My fed sci hit 50 recently and now its only purpose it to grind dili. Whenever i see those boring reputation tasks and 100K rep each..i just lose the will to play it. And like i said earlier a lot feel the same way. So you are not alone.
I don't know what it is anymore, but why do people continiously defend this game?
This is how the conversations usually go:
1. Someone complains on the forums that something needs to be changed.
2. Cryptic either doesn't listen, or doesn't change it.
3. People whine that people are whining on troll on them. Some of them being veteran players.
4. Other people come in with the same complaints.
5. Other people defend Cryptic saying "it's the way it's mean to be."
6. Cryptic comes out with a "fix" that gives them more profit. Rather then listening to the players.
You see I used to be a veteran EverQuest player. By content and difficulty alone it puts this game to shame.
Not only that the customer service with EverQuest was SUPERB. Even more so that they had a Guide program that listened to people's issues, and petitions/tickets were answered in a very timely fashion. (I WAS a Guide, I know how it was.) The stuff that Cryptic does to the player base would of never flew over well. The game would of gone under in a matter of months. (EverQuest) that is.
However it seems Cryptic at this point is trying to grab every last penny they can from the player base. I have since canceled my gold, and will NOT spend one more cent on this game. I have spent probably over $250.00 worth of ZEN on this game from buying stuff and + subs + converting Zen to DIL. Then what do I get in return? Bugs. A bugged character for the lat 3 months, horrible customer service. A company that does not care about it's customers or fan base.
You see I don't have time to grind 10 different ALTs to get the amount of DIL i need. That is NEITHER realistic nor should have to be done to get the amount required just for one item. This doesn't make it a "challenging" game. It just forces people to logon to get Cryptic = More profit.
This company has the worst and utterly the most inconceivable idea of what they call customer service.
I need to know why the heck people are defending Cryptic on every single aspect of this a game, when a lot of players can agree something is either broken, or needs to be fixed or improved upon. I don't know if you guys are a glutton for punishment, or just have a lot of money so it doesn't bother you, but for us poorer people, yet it get sickening.
I never seen a player base so scared, and just defend a horrible company. Why because the game is named "Star Trek." Put any other name to this game and NO ONE would play it. The people that keep this game alive, are either rich, or just so far gone with Star Trek, they will say and do ANYTHING for Cryptic to defend them.
People complain because it helps things improve, tells a company there is something wrong with their product.
All the tactics that Cryptic does, the 8K dil limit, (and TRIBBLE you over for that day if you don't refine, why?) no benefit of becoming a gold member, every new ship, new item costing money? Fleet Modules costing a buttload, the ridiculous grind and pricing for a Starbase. This s all okay with people though? Bugs in the game that have been in the game since launch/CB/OB. Bugged zones, bugged missions, bugged equipment?
This is okay by everyone? Everyone just keeps paying money and defending this company. I don't understand this, what do you hope to accomplish, get brownie points for Cryptic so they give you something free? They will drop you like a hat if they wanted to. You get NOTHING for bending over backwards for them.
Where is the Tribble reward they promised everyone?
There have been SEVERAL posts that either have gone to the wayside, or been delted or moved, so they can't be seen on this forum, about the Reputation grind.
They aren't going to do anything about it, they know the more grind you have to do the more money you spend. IF you are stupid enough to do that, it's your own fault.
There is a difference with difficulty and then grinding. Making something a long grind that takes you months, or almost a year to get doesn't make it a challenging game. It makes it a money sink. I guess people are too ignorant to see this (and being stupid and ignorant are two different things.)
I am playing less and less due to this fact, it's sad that the game has become this.
This game will get so bad eventually that there will be no way out of paying for something, maybe a new item, or a new ship. What's going to happen when the raise the level limit "Buy Zen for more SKill Points!" People think that would be ludicrous but Cryptic has lured you slowly into this trap, that when it comes people like "okay ill bend over for you."
How people accept this game as it is, and continually pay a company with horrible customer service, is still beyond me.
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
*bangs head on desk*
Instead of blaming Cryptic for happily letting you act upon your obsessiveness and avarice?
You sure you belong here?
... and Dan wants to implement a PvP reputation.
...no offense meant by the snip, just don't want a wall of text.....+2000 to this guy.....
Actually, discussing such things at all would be a violation of forum rules so posting them here in the forums is not a good idea. Reporting any exploits via more private channels is the right way to go.
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They are thinking of making ANOTHER reputation according to this interview:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/07/08/captains-log-interview-with-star-trek-onlines-al-rivera-part/
This is a joke right, come on!!! We don't want anymore rep grinds!! Seriously this is just completely ignoring the community at this point, COMPLETELY>
I think half the problem with this game is that people are just tired of the same old content once you hit L50. And then having to hammer said content over and over for reputation.