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nerf bops

saxfiresaxfire Member Posts: 558 Arc User
edited June 2013 in Klingon Discussion
please nerf bops
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    snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    lulz, nerf bops! i r PveER! i need 70 f4rm k3rrayt!
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    curs0rcurs0r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Would you care to elaborate on why you feel they should be nerfed? We're all willing to listen as long as it isn't an emotionally based rant that ends in "I keep losing to them in PvP".
    I'll sell you some weapons from New Romulus. Never fired, only dropped once.
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    mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    the t'varo light is a versatile weapon like the defiant retro and b'rel/variant ship types. you just need to know how to deal with them by flying them and getting an idea of what you are up against..

    until that judgement is made which is not stated from the op end, no, the bops should not be nerfed.
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    newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited June 2013
    saxfire wrote: »
    please nerf bops

    Are the 22k hulls too much? maybe a nerf to say 15k hull would be less OP?
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    hbirdjameshbirdjames Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    BoPs are OP, just the other day I was outDPSed in an ISN by one! And it wasn't even running beams - all it had were these tiny green blobs being fired out from its wings. Pls, nerf BoPs so my Gal-X can rule STFs like it should!
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    curs0rcurs0r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    the t'varo light is a versatile weapon like the defiant retro and b'rel/variant ship types. you just need to know how to deal with them by flying them and getting an idea of what you are up against..

    until that judgement is made which is not stated from the op end, no, the bops should not be nerfed.

    You make a good point. I had no idea how good a defiant could be until I spent some time in a BoP and was forced to learn a new way to attack.
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    mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    hbirdjames wrote: »
    BoPs are OP, just the other day I was outDPSed in an ISN by one! And it wasn't even running beams - all it had were these tiny green blobs being fired out from its wings. Pls, nerf BoPs so my Gal-X can rule STFs like it should!

    even had people screaming in my ear for gal-x to be buffed again. apparently its so slow and clumsy moving the spinal lance is useless.
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    newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited June 2013
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    even had people screaming in my ear for gal-x to be buffed again. apparently its so slow and clumsy moving the spinal lance is useless.

    I heard the lance has been fixed so it actually hits targets now - maybe not your target but still it's a start.
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    lunateclunatec Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I totally agree with the OP. BoPs need to be nerfed badly. You see, most of the good pvpers are KDF. BoPs being only slightly underbalanced means that they are still effective somewhat in the hands of a kdf toon which is just an alt of their Fed toon. Therefore, in the hands of a good pvper, they are OP because you just can't slightly nerf a pvp god. So, to alleviate this problem, nerfing BoPs to oblivion and giving them a max power of 25 to all will make it so the hardcore pvpers have to struggle against the fed teams replete with fbp, plasma beams and plasma torp spam.

    Also, can you please give feds a super enhanced battle cloak to all of their ships? By super enhanced, I mean that you can shoot, launch torps, do all the sci spam, and even have your shields up while cloaked. This would be fair and balanced.

    Thank you.
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    delerouxdeleroux Member Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I disagree. BoPs need to be universally buffed. I suggest granting KDF BoPs, and KDF BoPs only, an ultra enhanced battlecloak that allows them to fire cannons from cloak. I think this would be a good way of bringing BoPs back up to par with other ships, since they are currently weaker than they should be at the moment.
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    curs0rcurs0r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    All humor aside (and very good humor so far at that) I'd still like to know the OP's basis for making this request. What precisely is it about the BoP that warrants a nerf?
    I'll sell you some weapons from New Romulus. Never fired, only dropped once.
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    baelogventurebaelogventure Member Posts: 1,002 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Troll Thread has successfully drew the flames!

    Naturally, PvPers come in, crying about PvE players.
    lulz, nerf bops! i r PveER! i need 70 f4rm k3rrayt!



    KDF comes in, crying about Feds.
    I totally agree with the OP. BoPs need to be nerfed badly. You see, most of the good pvpers are KDF. BoPs being only slightly underbalanced means that they are still effective somewhat in the hands of a kdf toon which is just an alt of their Fed toon. Therefore, in the hands of a good pvper, they are OP because you just can't slightly nerf a pvp god. So, to alleviate this problem, nerfing BoPs to oblivion and giving them a max power of 25 to all will make it so the hardcore pvpers have to struggle against the fed teams replete with fbp, plasma beams and plasma torp spam.

    Also, can you please give feds a super enhanced battle cloak to all of their ships? By super enhanced, I mean that you can shoot, launch torps, do all the sci spam, and even have your shields up while cloaked. This would be fair and balanced.

    Thank you.



    BoP fans comes in, wanting BoPs to be buffed.
    I disagree. BoPs need to be universally buffed. I suggest granting KDF BoPs, and KDF BoPs only, an ultra enhanced battlecloak that allows them to fire cannons from cloak. I think this would be a good way of bringing BoPs back up to par with other ships, since they are currently weaker than they should be at the moment


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    lunateclunatec Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Personally, I think that in the spirit of Star Trek, that all ships should be buffed a lot so that all you need is a hypospray and holodeck to complete pve missions. Pvp should be removed from the game as it violates Roddenberry's vision of finding peaceful co-existance with alien species and ourselves.

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    delerouxdeleroux Member Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Also, I think it's time BoPs have a 5th fore weapons slot, as well as 5 of each console slot. This would be a step in the right direction of balancing BoPs.
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    jacknm1jacknm1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Cryptic don't know how to Slightly nerf, so this will be Nerfed into oblivion like everything else....and rightly so, no one likes klingons, they smell and no one likes Bops, theyre annoying.
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    curs0rcurs0r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    jacknm1 wrote: »
    Cryptic don't know how to Slightly nerf, so this will be Nerfed into oblivion like everything else....and rightly so, no one likes klingons, they smell and no one likes Bops, theyre annoying.

    My only real objection to the Klingon experience is that they need something more to talk about than honor, lineage, and bloodwine.
    I'll sell you some weapons from New Romulus. Never fired, only dropped once.
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    jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Oh how this thread made me LOL
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    spyker3spyker3 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I am the one who said to nerf BoPs and said it a chat everyone who believes in this I thank you for saying what's right because in all honesty the BoPs are basic cheats for players to kick the good PVP players' and make them look weak and cause the people to get angry and start a war with them. The BoPs should have a basic battle cloak not a ehanced battle cloak so that way they could rule the roster of the game. Because if they get the cloaks and klingons get the cloaks then how come feds get normal cloaks its plain unfairness and people are gonna quit the game because players can not play like normal people and makes everyone look weak and starts wars
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    twamtwam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Thank you for helping me remember to put that disclaimer sign at the back of my BoP.

    Once more, for the record: it was nothing personal, it could've been anybody and you needn't feel bad about it.

    Next time, if you notice me in time, just sneeze in my general direction and you'll score the point instead.
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    curs0rcurs0r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    spyker3 wrote: »
    I am the one who said to nerf BoPs and said it a chat everyone who believes in this I thank you for saying what's right because in all honesty the BoPs are basic cheats for players to kick the good PVP players' and make them look weak and cause the people to get angry and start a war with them. The BoPs should have a basic battle cloak not a ehanced battle cloak so that way they could rule the roster of the game. Because if they get the cloaks and klingons get the cloaks then how come feds get normal cloaks its plain unfairness and people are gonna quit the game because players can not play like normal people and makes everyone look weak and starts wars

    All I can say to that is be glad certain treaties are now null and void allowing feds to have a cloak at all. Considering the Feds just got them in Trek terms it is quite reasonable that their cloaking technology may not be as advanced.
    I'll sell you some weapons from New Romulus. Never fired, only dropped once.
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    stevehalestevehale Member Posts: 437
    edited June 2013
    Just stay the course. Don't misunderestimate them. You are doing a heck of a job, Crypty.
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    veepnovaveepnova Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Actually, I'm not sure I agree here. If anything, Bops need a buff. EBC isnt that useful really, I mean, Sure you can fire torps, but torps are pretty useless against shielded targets. What bops need are options, since all they can really do is drop mines and torps from cloak. What they need is a console that can be used only on bops. If equipped on a B'Rel, it returns the EBC to a standard battle cloak, for balance. What it does is allows the BoP's energy weapons match the modulation of their targets shields, so that their shots pass through the shields of their target. That way they can really be a match for their target. Just like in Star Trek Generations. This effect could last for 30 seconds or something. And it shouldnt be cleared by SNB, because seriously, that skill is too OP already. Buff Bops with a console, Nerf SNB.
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,424 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    lunatec wrote: »
    I totally agree with the OP. BoPs need to be nerfed badly. You see, most of the good pvpers are KDF. BoPs being only slightly underbalanced means that they are still effective somewhat in the hands of a kdf toon which is just an alt of their Fed toon. Therefore, in the hands of a good pvper, they are OP because you just can't slightly nerf a pvp god. So, to alleviate this problem, nerfing BoPs to oblivion and giving them a max power of 25 to all will make it so the hardcore pvpers have to struggle against the fed teams replete with fbp, plasma beams and plasma torp spam.

    Also, can you please give feds a super enhanced battle cloak to all of their ships? By super enhanced, I mean that you can shoot, launch torps, do all the sci spam, and even have your shields up while cloaked. This would be fair and balanced.

    Thank you.

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    Romulan BoP is the same story. Added a base 40 and singularity abilities. No nerf please.
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    cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    ..............NO.
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    omgrandalthoromgrandalthor Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    The ship it self is not op... The skills you can stack on it to insta kill someone and they cannot do anything about it because all skills are shut down that can get a little op at times.
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    papabloodpapablood Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    LOL are you freakin serious ... Bops like the B-rel with the advanced battle cloak are more of a nuisance than anything... Sure they can fire torpedoes and mines while cloaked but really unless you are a lame player all they are is a nuisance at best...They are easily takin out once you can actually drag them out of thier cloaked state... Several ways of doing it A sci can sensor scan them and almost anybody can add CPB to their BO skills ... They are visible for a split second while firing ... long enough to hit them with a tractor beam if your watching for them... Once they have been drawn out of cloak they really are no match for any decent escort or catch and hold sci ... I really dont understand the thinking behind this thread ... lol
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    papabloodpapablood Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    omgrandalthor wrote: »
    The ship it self is not op... The skills you can stack on it to insta kill someone and they cannot do anything about it because all skills are shut down that can get a little op at times.

    Almost any good escort can build a ship that can insta kill ppl ... sure its easier with a cloak and that dont have to be a advanced battle 1 either just from the surprise aspect of it ...
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    stevehalestevehale Member Posts: 437
    edited June 2013
    Spell BoP without OP. Just try it.

    Check and mate.
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    omgrandalthoromgrandalthor Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    papablood wrote: »
    Almost any good escort can build a ship that can insta kill ppl ... sure its easier with a cloak and that dont have to be a advanced battle 1 either just from the surprise aspect of it ...

    There is no other escort in the game that can insta kill a good player without the help of another ship. The way you can set up the bos on the bop and bo skills makes it a one man decloaking shutdown instakilling machine. The defiant cant even do it because you cannot have the shutdown skills on it like shockwave ect.

    When a defiant decloaks on you you have the chance to hit rsp tac team ect when a bop decloaks on you (if built right) all yous skills are greyed out for a good 5 sec and that is long enough to get off 2 bol 2 torp spreads and a iso which will kill any ship.
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    omgrandalthoromgrandalthor Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    stevehale wrote: »
    Spell BoP without OP. Just try it.

    Check and mate.

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