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Perfect World, Cryptic...it's time. We need a new Constitution class.
sagerothwell
Member Posts: 5 Arc User
Dear Cryptic and Perfect World
I think it's really cool that we get Fleet refits of older ships. I personally find many of the older ships to be more aesthetically pleasing than the newer ones, and I love my Fleet Excelsior class. But with all the refits and re-releases, one must wonder why we still don't have the ultimate iconic federation ship. In my opinion, out've all the ships in the line, no class is cooler than The Constitution Class and Connie Refit. (The Miranda Class is a close second...darn scary looking...)
Here's what I propose. Don't just re-release The TOS Constitution Cruiser, Cruiser set, and Cruiser Refit with upgraded stats and "Unique" material. (Though you should definitely do that.) Make some new ships based on the Connie Class. None that are exactly like the little cruisers, but bigger, updated ones that have the feel of the ships we know and love.
For example, I think that
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080207200510/startrek/images/6/6c/Koerner_Enterprise.jpg
would make a great "tactical" version of the beloved vessel.
Not everyone will agree with me, but I think the Abrams version of The Enterprise was beautiful, so if we could get one that looks a bit more like that, maybe as a science vessel version.
http://trekazoid.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/tlw_enterprise_new_a.jpg
TOS version would make a nice "standard" version
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/362/c/0/star_trek___constitution_class__starship_by_roen911-d5pfo63.jpg
and the refit
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100518022539/memoryalpha/en/images/d/df/USS_Enterprise-A_quarter.jpg
could be a retrofit of some kind.
Also, having seen Star Trek: Into Darkness and loved it, I really want a U.S.S. Vengance style Dreadnought.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130518131118/memoryalpha/en/images/6/69/USS_Vengeance.jpg
I think all these ships should be released as one, as opposed to the way The Odyssey class and Strategic, Reconnaissance, and Surveillance Science vessels were, that way we can mix-and-match ship parts. I think the customization of the ships is half the fun of having them. Also these ships would have to be huge as well, at least ad big as the Odyssey class. I miss old Enterprise, and nothing would fill my Trekkie heart with glee more than fling around in a re-imagined classic Enterprise with enough weapons and armor to make the Iconians nervous and a size that would make a Borg queen blink.
Please take these suggestions into consideration.
Sincerely, A Dedicated Member
(What're your thoughts on all this, STOers?)
I think it's really cool that we get Fleet refits of older ships. I personally find many of the older ships to be more aesthetically pleasing than the newer ones, and I love my Fleet Excelsior class. But with all the refits and re-releases, one must wonder why we still don't have the ultimate iconic federation ship. In my opinion, out've all the ships in the line, no class is cooler than The Constitution Class and Connie Refit. (The Miranda Class is a close second...darn scary looking...)
Here's what I propose. Don't just re-release The TOS Constitution Cruiser, Cruiser set, and Cruiser Refit with upgraded stats and "Unique" material. (Though you should definitely do that.) Make some new ships based on the Connie Class. None that are exactly like the little cruisers, but bigger, updated ones that have the feel of the ships we know and love.
For example, I think that
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080207200510/startrek/images/6/6c/Koerner_Enterprise.jpg
would make a great "tactical" version of the beloved vessel.
Not everyone will agree with me, but I think the Abrams version of The Enterprise was beautiful, so if we could get one that looks a bit more like that, maybe as a science vessel version.
http://trekazoid.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/tlw_enterprise_new_a.jpg
TOS version would make a nice "standard" version
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/362/c/0/star_trek___constitution_class__starship_by_roen911-d5pfo63.jpg
and the refit
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100518022539/memoryalpha/en/images/d/df/USS_Enterprise-A_quarter.jpg
could be a retrofit of some kind.
Also, having seen Star Trek: Into Darkness and loved it, I really want a U.S.S. Vengance style Dreadnought.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130518131118/memoryalpha/en/images/6/69/USS_Vengeance.jpg
I think all these ships should be released as one, as opposed to the way The Odyssey class and Strategic, Reconnaissance, and Surveillance Science vessels were, that way we can mix-and-match ship parts. I think the customization of the ships is half the fun of having them. Also these ships would have to be huge as well, at least ad big as the Odyssey class. I miss old Enterprise, and nothing would fill my Trekkie heart with glee more than fling around in a re-imagined classic Enterprise with enough weapons and armor to make the Iconians nervous and a size that would make a Borg queen blink.
Please take these suggestions into consideration.
Sincerely, A Dedicated Member
(What're your thoughts on all this, STOers?)
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Those were very well done, weren't they.
As far as any of Abram's Star Trek stuff goes, it is currently off limits for STO due to licensing issues. I would like to have the Vengeance in the game, but it is not going to happen.
Start your over/under pools for June. This month's number is 15 T5 Connie/NX threads.
Personally, I'm going with over.
The Constitution is an OLD class, and has been long retired.
A redesigned ship would be a new ship class, and it's not like the federation lacks for cruisers. The Excelsior that you mentioned is a great ship. I have one with the veteran skin, and I love it.
The Constitution class should stay where it is.
The Excelsior can handle all your classic "cool ship" needs.
One thing I'd like to see are the Wrath of Kahn uniforms having changeable ranks.
The Constitution Class in no way should be a T5 ship, it is , by modern standards, a small, underpowered ship that may have earned its heavy cruiser title in its day, but now rates as little more than a frigate, even light cruiser is pushing it.
If it was completely stripped back and rebuilt from the framework up with modern systems, it would be a T3 at absolute best!!!
I fly an Excel retrofit, and love it....but to be completely honest, even she should not really be a T5 or fleet ship given her age, T4 is a more realistic level for her.
T5 and fleet ships should really be those of modern design only, I am even undecided weather the Galaxy would truely qualify, and if she did, it would be due to her size and having gone through a substantial refit.
If I tweaked a Steamship I could easily destroy a Nuclear Sub, which in itself is a Steamship, so I would be using the same reactor tech, armor and ordinance as the sub, but keeping the ship small and maneuverable.
Sub would never know what hit it.
That's what a T5 Connie would be all about.
Looks like a Connie, has firepower, armor and weapons from latest ships.
That's a retrofit.
Oh and to head off the usual lame, empty and wholly incorrect excuses: Defiant and D'kyr respectively as to size and age.
Can you imagine turning a 200 year ship (the water ones) into a modern day Naval standard vessel? It would have to be completely rebuilt. Its not time or cost effective, nor would the end result be on par with the new designs. The excelsior is a stretch already.
Really a modified steamship could defeat a nuclear sub? A periscope and torpedoes would make short work of any steamship no matter how well modified. It first has to locate the sub to do any damage to it and a periscope gives a smaller surface area to detect compared to a ship. Adding a reactor to the ship no longer makes it a steamship.
No matter what technology is added to an old ship, it will never be as good as the latest model. You could replace parts of the ship, but then it would eventually reach the point where it can no longer be classified as its previous designation. So a Tier 5 Constitution is not a Constitution. The Vulcans have had over a thousand years to perfect their ship design so don't need to change their ship design as much as humans do.
Also, you are missing one very important issue. The NX and Constitution have already been heavily modified with current technology and they were only able to achieve Tier 1 status. We are not piloting ships from hundreds of years ago, but ships that have been made a few years ago.
Is there some kind of pathology that makes people on forums blind?
It's a modern era starship that just looks like a steamship!
It's like the sub had a little brother same age as him that could kick his but because he was smaller and more maneuverable.
It's not a steamship anymore, it's a retrofit modern era defiant class starship that looks like a steamship!!!
A 29th Century ship would devastate all ships in the game. I would not be surprised if one could easily destroy the Borg Homeworld. When they were introduced, the devs stated that the temporal ships were stripped of all useful equipment so their weapons were stripped, their engines were stripped, their shields were stripped, and their sensors were stripped. A true 29th Century ship could be considered as a Tier 10 or Tier 20 ship while the ones in the game have been nerfed so ship balance is maintained. After all, why pilot any other ship when a 29th Century ship could solo an STF.
For ship comparison, it would be like comparing a canoe to a F-22 Raptor.
No... Just No!!
***Disenchanted***
Real Join Date: Monday, 17 May 2010
Is there some kind of pathology that makes people on forums blind?
The design of the ship determines its potential. No matter how much technology is added to an old design, it can only reach a certain potential and that potential is a Tier 1 ship.
CBS owns the Star Trek license, talk to them.
This argument would carry some weight if it wasn't already contradicted in-game. But since the B'Rel, D'Kyr and Kumari are all Tier-5 compatible, this argument has already been disproven.
Why the hell not, we have Andorian Ships from 200 years ago destroying Wells Class Timeships from the 29th Century... How is that not stupid? Your argument is invalid.
Here here, and by no means do we *need* it, the game will live in without it.
I actually like Delta Rising.
Like its been said, those 29th century ships have been stripped of all of their useful tech...they're nothing more than a shell.
I suppose with these kind of arguments, why would Starfleet want to work with shells they abandoned centuries ago when they have fancy ships from the future?
This is what I was suggesting. I guess I didn't explain that very well. But thank you for putting it better than I did. ^_^
Eheh, I want a "holo-borg-cube" for a Miranda!
Booo! Everyone runs
Partially as a consequence, Congress passed Pub. L. 109-364, the National Defense Authorization Act 2007, requiring the battleships be kept and maintained in a state of readiness should they ever be needed again.[29] Congress has ordered that the following measures be implemented to ensure that, if need be, Iowa and Wisconsin can be returned to active duty:
1.Iowa and Wisconsin must not be altered in any way that would impair their military utility;
2.The battleships must be preserved in their present condition through the continued use of cathodic protection, dehumidification systems, and any other preservation methods as needed;
3.Spare parts and unique equipment such as the 16-inch (410 mm) gun barrels and projectiles be preserved in adequate numbers to support Iowa and Wisconsin, if reactivated;
4.The navy must prepare plans for the rapid reactivation of Iowa and Wisconsin should they be returned to the navy in the event of a national emergency.[29]
These four conditions closely mirror the original three conditions that the Nation Defense Authorization Act of 1996 laid out for the maintenance of Iowa and Wisconsin while they were in the Mothball Fleet.[4][10]
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