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The Romulan Faction (The biggest elephant in the room)
rylanadionysis
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So basically when you break it all down... a romulan character is:
- A special species with a few unique traits that
- can use a few different ships than a kdf or fed original player cant...
and that is about it.
I refer to my KDF aligned romulan as a pointy eared klingon because of this.
We should be our own standalone faction. We should not have to be allied to one of the existing ones.
Other than the special themepark mission series for legacy of romulus, I am very underwhelmed at the actual faction of the romulans. We should have our own fleets, starbases, pvp teams and queues, and so forth.
We need to be a standalone faction without having to rely on an already existing one!
- A special species with a few unique traits that
- can use a few different ships than a kdf or fed original player cant...
and that is about it.
I refer to my KDF aligned romulan as a pointy eared klingon because of this.
We should be our own standalone faction. We should not have to be allied to one of the existing ones.
Other than the special themepark mission series for legacy of romulus, I am very underwhelmed at the actual faction of the romulans. We should have our own fleets, starbases, pvp teams and queues, and so forth.
We need to be a standalone faction without having to rely on an already existing one!
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You'll get no argument from me! Let's restore the Romulan Empire to it's former glory. Just because we lost our home world (or worlds in the case of Remus) that's no reason for us to be stuck as servants to the FED or KDF.
The Romulan Empire was an EMPIRE after all, meaning it had established major civilizations on other worlds, so there's no reason to assume we couldn't have picked up the pieces right away ... and we certainly would have gotten our act together after all this time even in the face of a civil war between the Tal Shiar and D'Tan's rebel alliance.
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
Whatever. The development cost requirements do not allow sufficient/any profit [everything else is just excuses].
Sigh. How are you servants? You can fly ships that the Fed and Klink toons can't.
And why would you assume you could pick up pieces right away? The main hub of the empire is gone. All the resources and command structure. What makes you think that any empire could just pick up and go on their merry little way? Empires fall. It's all over history in real life.
If you really want to do your on faction thing, then ally with a faction, but make your own fleet. Personally, I'm not grinding yet another fleet starbase. I work 40+ hours a week as it is. I want to play the game to enjoy it and not spend my entire playing time grinding.
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The Romulan Republic are NOT servants, never do you get ordered by them to do anything save for Admiral T'nae during the Romulan FE series and even then, its for the benefit of Romulans everywhere by ending Hakeev and Selas reign.
The story with the Elachi is very intriguing, they are a cool new foe to bring into the game. A Romulan foe that the Feds nor KDF face, much like the Fek'ihri hordes on the KDF side. I, and a lot of other players, lets call them, I don't know, the majority, really enjoy playing as a Romulan, fighting for Romulans, flying Romulan ships and strange new Romulan worlds.
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What I meant to say is that I understand that the Federation and the KDF is helping the New Romulus goverment in the story. Since they may need help with defense and building up their forces. But what I guess is the problem is that, at least the Romulans should be against having outside interference. It's parallel with the story of the Bajorans on DS9. They need help but do not want the Federation to dominate their goverment.
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High school history classes (and a quick Google search to refresh my memory of the specific dates) make me think a massive empire can pick up after the hub of the empire is destroyed.
Rome was sacked on several occasions prior to the fall of the Roman Empire (the original "Western" part anyway) in 476 AD. The Eastern Roman Empire based in Constantinople still existed (more or less) until 1453 AD.
The first sack of Rome was the Battle of the Allia in 390 and there was the "Sack of Rome" in 410 by the Visigoths. Both those events essentially destroyed the heart of the Roman Empire but the original Western Roman Empire still survived for more than 70 years and the Eastern empire lasted far longer.
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just saying.
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From the Path to 2409:
"Tradition is very important in this new order," the SI source said. "Sela is consciously recalling a golden age on the old homeworld, and using those memories to inspire the people. They're talking about mnhei'sahe again, and a lot of people have started referring to Nova Roma as Mol'Rihan, which is 'New Romulus' in High Rihannsu."
All arguments about RSE not being a valid target for a Romulan faction fall flat on their faces in light of the fact that there already was a RSE faction in the game that was recovering and going into a new age of prosperity, and the fact that the RR only came about as the result of various retcons.
Oh that sounds like a challenge to overcome! Wonderful!
That essentially destroyed the heart of the Klingon Empire for many years until they were able to reclaim the planet but the Klingon Empire didn't fall apart during those decades.
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Joking aside, they're not a full faction yet as it will take a lot of working at to do it and there will no doubt be clashes with CBS about what can and cannot go in etc. See Romulans as work in progress with the intention to seperate later and it makes more sense. It's not there yet so is a fraction but will become a full faction if enough people play them.
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That said, maybe the things we were expecting are still works in progress.
Cryptic.
They cant (or refuse) to fix months, and sometimes years old bugs...in favour of rolling out more shiny to entice people to grind/buy zen to keep their bottom line.
I watched the videos (especially the one with branflakes and some captain woman) getting all excited about Denise Crosby doing a voice over...
ummm...what planet was Branflakes on? What voice over work? I must have heard her speak 15, maybe 20 lines at best, and then gone.
The romulan cruisers are a mess, slow turning piles of dung, and please, don't say "well they are BIG ships they MUST turn slow. Currently I am in the level 40 escort... its BIGGER than a sovereign, completely DWARFS an Excelsior...and has a base turn rate of 16.
PMSL!
I hit level 50 after 2 days of play.
I am utterly underwhelmed with this "major expansion". I have went back to my Fed character as I have no interest in spending money to get dil to do the reputation...no interest at all.
Do Romulans fly ships than others can't fly? Yes.
Do Romulans wear uniforms others can't wear? Yes.
Does RR have unique species that only belong to them? Yes.
Do they have their own social zones not accessible by other factions? Yes, they do - a faction hub and a flotilla in space.
Do Romulans have unique to them game mechanic? They sure do, completely different starships and space combat.
What is the colour of my default UI? Green.
What logo do I see on other members of the faction? The Romulan Republic one on players allied with KDF as well as players allied with Fed.
Do they have their story progression? Not only they have, but they have the best one in STO.
Do Romulans have exclusive nemessis? Yes, Elachi.
Who do I take my orders from? Romulan Republic representatives.
Oh, and I just read - there will be 16 new traits on the Doffs from the Tal'Shiar Lockbox, 8 of which are exclusive to the Romulan Republic and not availible for Fed/KDF. Hmmm...
Yup, sounds like a faction to me!
It's not fair to say the Romulan Republic is not a faction only on the basis of the alliances and Starbases. Like another player mentioned in this thread - the Romulan Republic is a work in progress. Eventually, more and more gaps will be filled for them and it will work well with the story the devs. started to tell - they start from ashes and slowly start rebuilding their power and the Romulan influence in the quadrant through the new Republic. I personally love the story they're telling, it's very Trek and I hope they develop it and continue telling it in seasons to come.
Orions also have unique clothign options. Does this make them a faction?
Only if you consider them to be part of a unique faction in the first palce, instead of part of the Fds/KDF. Circular logic there.
Gold have their own social zone If I recall correctly. Are they a faction?
They have warp cores with a glorified console-esque ability.
Seriously? UI color?
The logo? Again, this is superficial nonsense.
best story progression. In your opinion. I consider it to be a horribly hamfisted and badly telegraphed vehicle for this laughable 'good guy' rebel alliance/Bajoran resistance faction they are trying to sell us. One that is completely at odds with the Romulans from the show and Cryptic's own backstory which had to be retconned to herald this abomination into being.
Not a very good Nemesis, IMO. They could just as easily be borg, and it would have had more connection to the previously established story.
Except on the missions where you take orders from the KDF or Federation. Or the missions where you get mistaken for Klingons or Federation because Cryptic just copy/pasted over content from your allies.
Same lockbox gives Romulan ships to non-romulans. Something that Cryptic said they'd never do to a faction.
Many people have already mentioend the things the RR does *not* have that the other factions do. I think the evidence speaks for itself.
However, he agrees wholeheartedly with the idea of building a new Romulus, away from the corruption and degradation of the Tal-Shiar-dominated old Empire. It's not the first time the Declared have abandoned previous ties in the name of mnhei'sahe, after all. The only real difference is, this time the Sundering involved the total destruction of the last homeworld, not just its abandonment to a bunch of naive peaceniks.
Lock box ships do not count, other wise the frengi, dominan, cardasian empire, and so forth would never be a faction cause anyone can fly lock box ships.
Also the free ship token romulans get do not work on their allies ships, so that point is nulled
In my opinion they have enough uniqueness to be consided their own faction. and they can easily be given there own unique story past lvl 35, after all your a lend lease officer for your KDF/Fed friends.
On the subject of lockbox ships, I haven't noticed a Romulan timeship, have you? (certainly would have come in handy to stop their homeworlds getting nuked) Another thing that the other two factions have that Rommies do not.
Free ship tokens not working on FED/KDF ships does not 'nullify' my argument because it does not stop the fact that Rommies can still buy them, and that they have access to the Zen ships of their overlords.
The reason why people are not calling them a faction isn't because of what they have it's more what they do not have. Everything you mention the feds and KDF have in buckets and more. 1000 day ships, the captains yacht, a way to get romulan specific bridge officers outside of leveling. Even the duty officer system is tiny compared to Fed/KDF and they end up using their allies.
The idea of the alliance is so they can get the fraction out there and being played and for you to use systems already in the game to alleviate the work needed to be done. Until it is equal to the other two in terms of ship diversity while leveling, has it's own fleets and allegiance (currently you are classed as fed or kdf unless you never picked an alliance) then it will not be a complete faction.
Also I think I do have to say creating a whole new fraction, from what little there is in the series and everything, is no small feat. While I do not consider it a full faction I think the devs have worked very hard on it, much harder to make the servers stable and fix bugs and should congratulate themselves on a job well done. I look forward to what comes after.
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As you play through all the missions and learn the truth about the Hobus Supernova it becomes pretty obvious that the Tal Shiar and Hakeev specifically are the traitors. You are defending the Romulan people from these psychopaths that knowingly caused the supernova. It makes sense to me that we are not on their side.
They can fly Fed./KDF ships up to T4. And since 95% of the game in STO is happening at lvl 50, that doesn't really matter. The Romulans have just started building their new homeworld and their allies lend them ships for portection in exchnage for technology. However neither the KDF nor Starfleet lend them their T5 pinnacles of their technology.
Tal'Shiar ships are not Romulan ships. Romulan ships have an elegant and firece look to them, these ships look like a nightmare from hellraiser. I believe that much is obvious.
You're making a strawman argument here and I think that you're aware of it. Do Orions have all the other things I mentioned besides unique uniforms? Do Gold subscribers have all the other things Romulans have besides the Captain's Table and 1 special uniform?
And how is that not different and unique?
Yeah, why not? The 'default' one. If Romulans are servants to the Feds. and KDF like you say, wouldn't their default UI be their masters' one?
Superficial? Maybe. But they have it. They should have the Starfleet and KDF logos after lvl 10 if they are only playable species for KDF/Fed.
Well, we can't debate personal taste and preferences. To me, it's the best and most Trek like story progression that is currently availible in STO. Only the new KDF missions and the Fek'ihr arc are able to compete with the Romulan story, again in my humble opinion.
Also, I'm puzzled that you see no difference between Cardassian ocupation on Bajor and Romulan civil war after the destruction of the homeworld.
Again, personal preferences can't be discussed. I think that it's better to have sth. mysterious and fresh as nemessis than to use the Borg again. Borg are awesome vilains for everyone in ST, but they are being used too much.
The Klingons have more than half (which I believe is an understatement) of their content copy-pasted from the Federation. I have heard "You're the pride of Starfleet!" many times on my Klingon chars. Are you saying that the KDF is not a faction as well?
Yes, there are couple of missions that are given by officers from your allies. Is this so strange to happen in a alliance? When, let's say, Canadian troops receive orders from a British general within NATO, would that mean that Canada is a part of the UK?
Once again, those are not Romulan ships. Those are Borg abominations. They don't have the warbird game mechanic and have a weak-a** cloak. Those are mini-Naradas, a little tribute to Abrams' Star Trek fans in STO.
Cryptic didn't give any Romulan ships in a lockbox. The Romulan faction does not have those 2 ships in their roster, neither do they posses the unique to Romulan ships singularity core and it's special abilities. They considered the Scimitar for it for a moment, but stepped back when they saw the comunity's outcry on it and the interest in the Romulan faction. Then they said that Romulan ships won't go in a box.
I think that having 85% of everything that makes up the other factions qualifies them as a faction, rather than the 15% they don't have yet makes them a non-faction. Many people are bitter or angered that the Romulan faction did not come up exactly as they wanted or imagined it, but that doesn't make this one any less of a faction.
The evidence I saw in game does speak for itself and it tells me that we have 3 factions now.
I'm going to say again, noone can debate or reason against personal preferences. You probably wont change your opinion of the Republic, while I'll continue to enjoy them and treat them as a faction.
I'll just say that all Romulan fans should treat this as a faction, especially since the devs. themselves announced it as a complete 3-rd faction, because it makes it easier to put the pressure on them in the future to complete the things that are missing, like Starbases. If every Romulan player says "it's not a faction", then the answer may be "Why are you asking for Starbases, etc., it's not a faction."
Do you think that the Klingon faction would have got everything they got since launch if the KDF players didn't treat the KDF as a faction and therefore demanded content? The KDF had next to nothing at launch, but the dedicated and devoted KDF veterans never said it's not a faction and today we can all taste the fruits of their efforts.
Agreed. However, I'm glad they brought the faction in regardless of the strange set up. Personally, I find it disturbing that as Romulan Republic separatists we have to murder one another fighting for the KDF and SF. It's just ridiculous.
This was clearly done to prevent population drift from the established fed and klin fleets. I believe they also couldn't figure out how to implement a third combatant faction in a cost effective manner.
Really, though, it would have been better to allow the Rom players to declare Tal Shiar or Republic and then join the existing war; either the klingon side for Imperialists, or the Fed for republicans.
Makes the most sense and would explain our internecine blood letting. I mean really...I'm eating breakfast with my best romy friend and then blowing him to bits at lunch because we're nothing but mercenaries for the warring factions?????
As already stated ... yes/no. The Republic is a faction, but it is not as full a faction as the Klingons, whom aren't as full a faction as the Federation. There's room for additions and since STO is a MMO, that's how these games work. Having players play Rolumans but still keep those Tier 3, 4, or 5 starbases that they've invested a lot of dilithium into(which could also mean real money), was an excellent decision. They could make it an option one day for Romulan characters to choose to strictly stay Romulan and have their own fleets.
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The Romulans we all know and love (or hate, love/hate?) from the show died with the decision to blow up Romulus and Remus. Not saying this is a bad thing. The Cardassians we all know and etc. were killed off during the show. They have their own rebuilding history and now they're good guys, except for this extremist group (similarity?). Hm, maybe there's still a chance to get a Cardassian faction.
This is an excellent point, which could easily be fixed ... separate players that choose to align to different factions. Have Fed favoring Romulans treat KDF favoring Romulans exactly like Feds treat KDF ... game mechanics-wise. However, that involves a mechanic system based on four factions, when we have three. Splitting up already restricted zones (which sucks, because I want to see the hubs with my Fed) isn't a great game idea. So that little plothole takes the bench for the sake of smoother gameplay.
Errr ... what 95% are you talking about ?
8 mini-raids (STF's) and a bunch of pointless grind missions for starbases & reputations ?
That's 95% of the game for you ??
Also , as to your faction argument -- which faction in STO do you know of that you can play 10 levels of , and then to proceed in the story , you HAVE TO JOIN another faction ?
Do you know of any such other factions in STO ?
I don't .
And I am puzzled that you don't see the similarities .
The Bajorans needed the Federation and leaned heavily on it for protection .
New Romulus needs (according tp D'Tan) the Feds/Kdf , and leans heavily on both to catch Eppohs ... , and exterminate insects and Tal Shiar agents within walking distance .
Good for you .
Cool Aid .
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