I wholeheartedly agree with this thread. Have the servers been down, yes. Have queues been up, yes. Does that mean we need to complain, no.
There is a reason patience is a virtue, and the STO community has proved it. As someone who's actually spoken to the devs, I am truly amazed that they managed to get Legacy of Romulus up at all. Daniel Stahl has recently suffered the loss of his grandfather, yet he's still going and he got the game up for us. The devs have lives that they lead and they take the time out of them to bring you this expansion and game. I am truly amazed at their patience with everyone without it on these forums. These people have a true passion, and you repay their dedication with scorn.
A lot of Trekkies ( and I will admit on occasion even myself) are selfish, egotistical, and self-centered. Obviously not all, and those who aren't I applaud you. Star Trek is a franchise about the good of humanity and here we are showing the worst of it. I'm ashamed at this behavior out of the fanbase.
Now, if you're uncontent with the game right now, go elsewhere. If you think servers will be switched out because so many people want on, you may as well sit and wait for a million years, no one's going to pamper you. Cryptic does the best they can but it's never enough for people who complain.
One of these days I fear PerfectWorld's going to get tired of all this negativity and order Cryptic to shut down STO for good. When that day comes, remember that you didn't show respect to people who bent over backwards for you. Cryptic devs if you're reading this, thank you for everything you've done in spite of us not deserving it. Mr. Stahl, you have my deepest sympathies on the passing of your grandfather, and can not thank you enough for getting LoR up in spite of his passing. Thank you.
Some time recently I had an epiphany... As long as Star Trek exists, so will this game, with all its faults. People complaining are just a sign that the community is vibrant, active, and wants continuous updates. From a business perspective, this is an excellent indicator. However, STO is still in the success-story range for F2P MMO, not only due to the Star Trek name, but the rich ideas and in-game content. Having not played in many months due to time constraints and other priorities, I still find the game intriguing enough to check out. I am a long time Star Trek fan. I met my girlfriend in February and every weekend we meet up and watch an episode of Enterprise and plan to watch all of the televised shows from every series in order. I've done that already, like twice, but just to do it with someone I love and care about, is something special. She wants to go to Comic Con to meet Daryl and Merle from The Walking Dead and.... I'm going there to thank William Shatner for inspiring me to go into information technology... for giving me a show to watch in the 80s as a kid. We used to tune in to a local channel in New Jersey from here across the river and we'd have to adjust the antennas on the TV. It was fuzzy, and there'd be interference, but I went to bed watching that show every night. As long as there are people like me, who have these stories, and have had their perspective on life improved by Star Trek, STO will be around. Let the complaints and feature requests continue! As long as someone is listening, things are going well.
People argue there is not enough Star Trek in STO. I once commented long ago, which got a reply from someone at Cryptic, and quite a few laughs, that I had massacred potentially hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Klingons, and that this could not be a Star Trek game. I started thinking after that.... I should have stayed Captain... I should never have let them promote me to admiral. I should have taken more of the exploration missions, as repetitive as they were. I came to the realization that the game mechanics do not force you to do anything. Encourage it, perhaps, but for all intents and purposes, you are in command. And maybe that phaser is set to stun.
Good to see a post full of people willing to put up with bad management and mistakes by the Dev team. Also good to know you will take anything given to you and make excuses for them.
None of you guys think you are special? Aren't deserving of more? You just want to 'normal' and conform? I don't. I'm different. I demand excellence. I demand to be treated well. I demand. You call me entitled. I call it having higher standards.
It not until someone is willing to call BS on the MMO industry that this madness will end. Making excuses and taking it only encourages them to keep giving you bad service by keeping the status quo.
As for Tribble... Well its documented that bug reports sent to them don't do much. Game breaking bugs still make it onto Holodeck regularly. Why have testers if those testers don't have an impact?
Cheers from Antonio Valerio Cortez III, Half-Celestial Archduke of the Free Marches Confederacy.
The human race is full of people like this, complaining about them will not, unfortunately, make them go away, especially when the service they are complaining about is free of charge. I just ignore these idiots in game, on forums and in RL and spend my time enjoying what is the most amazing Star Trek game available right now and thanking the team at Cryptic for doing such a wonderful job.
Why do people say this is free? You have to have at some point purchased a computer to download and play STO on right? Was that free? Say you got it for a gift, fine. You have to pay for the internet that you are using to connect to STO. What about the electricity to run the modem and the computer you are using? None of that is free!
Okay sure that is nit picky but nothing if free. And I love how people are saying that it is out of the goodness of Cryptic's corporate heart that they allow the plebs to play their game. Someone somewhere has to throw money at STO otherwise you couldn't play your "free" game. Otherwise Crytpic wouldn't give a damn about you. Want to see real free games from the goodness of people's hearts? Search for Trek Fan games. Those are freer and definitely out of the love of the fandom, not the chance to make money.
Cheers from Antonio Valerio Cortez III, Half-Celestial Archduke of the Free Marches Confederacy.
"Cryptic, you should have prepared better! You should've gotten more servers!"
"Boycott Cryptic!" This has to be the most ludicrous of them all. This accomplishes nothing. As stated above, all this was expected to happen. You want to blame them for something that isn't even a crime nor anything within their control? See below.
"I hate you devs! You took down the servers while I was playing/why can't you keep them running?!" Please. Don't blame the ones who develop this in the first place for some nonexistent crime. You shout at them because they have to take down the servers to fix the other stuff you are whining about.
You, the people that are whining and complaining, disappoint me. Severely. The devs give you so much stuff you asked for over and over and over and over and over for, and all you can seem to do is verbally punish them for it. It makes no sense. Guess what: they could have turned off the game entirely, but no, they put in a ton of content. Don't rage that it's down for the first few days. You can wait.
Honestly... While no one was that surprised that there were some bugs the epic server instability was quite rough. Cryptic knew ahead of time that this was going to be big and that people were going to SLAM them the moment they could. They would have been wise to either have extra capacity ready or do like power companies after turning off the power to an area and try to choke the flow onto the servers until it was at tolerable levels.
This would have made more of the Ques but it would have been a saving grace for the server performance.
As for the rest of what you said there: I agree 100%. Not even just in regards to this expansion but even as a track record.
I would say look at the Vet Rewards (Those 1K day ships are actually very solid, especially the KDF one). Look at how they threw in an extra ship into the LOR Pack and a uniform and did not make you pay extra for it. (I LOVE how people whine that they are Gold so should get a discount on the LoR DISCOUNT Bundle... :rolleyes: )
I even recently reviewed the Chel'Gret... It is honestly one very powerful ship that setup correctly you can really compete and even beat Fleet/C-Store ships with its performance and it was FREE! The Devs made it and just GAVE it to ANYONE (Silver or Gold) who did the races. Generosity is not one of the weak spots for the Devs around here.
That said: I do not agree with much of PWE's policies nor am I a "Cryptic Fangirl" but I DO believe in giving credit where it is due.
I got two friends that have gone the vanilla route. It's pretty barren. The thing that hit me the most was how small their inventory is off the bat. That and not having a ship token at VA hit them pretty hard.
Mr. Pedant. Neat. Well I suppose a person could download and play the game without paying anything themselves. Only because the cost was carried by someone else, like a Lifer/Gold or Silvers who buy zen. I'd like to think even if you're completely 'free' player wouldn't put up with a queue that is over 25k long and want better service.
Cheers from Antonio Valerio Cortez III, Half-Celestial Archduke of the Free Marches Confederacy.
I got two friends that have gone the vanilla route. It's pretty barren. The thing that hit me the most was how small their inventory is off the bat. That and not having a ship token at VA hit them pretty hard.
Mr. Pedant. Neat. Well I suppose a person could download and play the game without paying anything themselves. Only because the cost was carried by someone else, like a Lifer/Gold or Silvers who buy zen. I'd like to think even if you're completely 'free' player wouldn't put up with a queue that is over 25k long and want better service.
that is curious, I think I'd like to survey a good number of real vanilla sto players and their experience regarding, very interesting.
I find it okay. Then again I am a casual player and have no plans of going into PvP, just PvE. Serious answer.
thanks for that. I might have to hit you up in the future, although you do bring up something else interesting... im going to hazard a good guess that there are no serious vanilla pvp players.
as far as pve goes for you, would you say its ok "i get by", ok "it hampers me", ok "other"
sry for the lack of options, feel free to input or describe however. having gotten lts when it came out, i really have little understanding on what vanilla involves, will have to forum search tomorrow
I went the free route initially on one of my characters ( The Klingon ).. I tried going the free route with my fed character, but yeah, its pretty dismal. The ships could be better, and the stuff you get from drops to put into the ships could be better.. I truly believe that one gentleman in another thread put it correctly when he stated that you really need fine tuned end game ships and equipment to be able to do anything ( not just pvp ) in this game.. You CAN free play it, but unless your a really casual player ( i'm not ) its my opinion that it's going to burn you out after not too long of a time..
(I LOVE how people whine that they are Gold so should get a discount on the LoR DISCOUNT Bundle... :rolleyes: )
This I found the most hilarious as well.
People moaning how it's soooo expensive yet if they look in the C-Store now at all of the items the pack contains and the zen prices attached to those individual items, you'll see you easily got your worth for the 120 bucks the Legacy Pack costs.
In any case the log in queues,the lag and the server downtime aren't doing Cryptic any favors,they are losing money.Do you really think the impulse buyers,people with no patience,will stick around for hours in the queues to get in?
The PWE/Cryptic sweatshop...not where the game is made,but where the game is played!
Take back your home,end the grind!
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Well said vaporak.
But it doesn't count considering the rage people have and not trying to replace it with something constructive.
Geeks are what they are - they can't yell and fight on the outside but on the forums, under their pseudonym, they are the "strongest".
And the other bunch are just spoiled brats who want what they want and there's nothing else that can replace that desire.
One thing is for sure; the developers don't pay much attention to that jibberish- they have more important things to pay attention to than scrolling through lines of some frustrated person who doesn't know better.
So I think it shouldn't matter, those rude and short sided comments, and just leave it alone, not "fueling" the rage with our response as it is. We have better things to do, like enjoying the game and have fun in it. And when we can't, we DO have a book, a bike, friends to go out with and a lot of other things..
That's it, I'm for a bike ride. C ya some other time!
Well, whiners - guess what? Being unable to log into a damned GAME at the exact moment YOU want to is NOT going to scar you for life. GET OVER IT!!
Anyway, thanks for the post/thread voporak - good to see a post like yours.
Ya knowww, some of those so called whiners are Combat vets or have other trauma that they're working on healing and this game is helping them to heal.. When you pick up your best friends guts out of the dirt and try to shove them back in a hole that used to be the guys stomach in order to keep him alive for one second longer, only to get shipped home to happy happy joy joy land where everything is all smiles till you turn your back: you just might want to give people a little bit of a break.
I know Cryptic probably cant afford a new server room at this point to make it easy on everyone, and thats a real shame, but it doesnt give anyof us the right to insult anyone by calling them whiners, and acting all high and mighty like little Ahabs, but neither does it mean these folks shouldnt have a right to express their frustration.. Regardless of their life experiences..
Well I would have thought that had you been in such an unfortunate situation and witnessed such horror with consequent whole life inducing trauma that being unable to login to a computer game would somehow pale into absolute insignificance.
Actually, its quite the opposite. The deeper the trauma, the easier it is to trigger. One guy i knew who was a seal in panama, saw three penneys in a line on the floor and immediately did a tuck and roll grabbing for his rifle.. That kind of **** never leaves you and like whiskey, only intensifies with age as it boroughs deeper into you.
The irony of whining about whiners is also not lost on me and we do often see that, it's because people who are genuinely appreciative of the game and the work put into it feel a need to defend something they love against the insults and half truths of a vocal minority who, let's face it, would complain if they won the lottery that they had to pay for a ticket.
:::LOL:: agreed, and i can certainly understand the frustration of those frustrated by the frustrated complainers.. but at that point, isnt it just a kind of round robin circle jerk??
i would like to raise the issue of the oversized world as it looks TRIBBLE and i have been complaining about it since closed beta and will continue to complain about it until they do something about it
i would like to raise the issue of the oversized world as it looks TRIBBLE and i have been complaining about it since closed beta and will continue to complain about it until they do something about it
Which world giant??
I laughed my butt off the first time i ran my ship into one.. here they looked so big that i thought they had done them to scale, and then i ran into one with my ship and found out how small it was.. kinda like the one we live in ya know.. god it was funny..
Have you seen all the things these people have been calling Cryptic for the last few days?
It makes us calling them whiners pale in comparisson.
I think I've called cryptic a few things myself.. Oh hell, i'm not trying to defend any one, nor am i trying to say anyone is wrong.. But if Cryptic wanted me to defend it, it would get me a gun and ammo and set me in a tree somewhere where i could have a good firing arc on whoever is coming or going.. they dont need me or anyone to play hero.. Theyre big kids now. yeah sure we're all very passionate about this game, and we all hate to see it put down and seemingly marred by people, but well, i guess i believe we arent doing it any better by lowering ourselves to these other peoples standards is all..
I guess my old coach said it best.. Play hard, play real. save it for the court and then givem hell..
In which case, playing a game that, basically, revolves around shooting people and blowing things up might be considered, by some, to be counterproductive toward any sort of recovery.
Nahhh. Ya see, theres a big difference between people and pixels.. When i do an stf or a foundry mission, thats pixels.. no one gets hurt.. But when i PVP. One of us is going to lose. one of us is not going to be happy and one of us gets hurt.. Thats where anything inside gets triggered.. the rest of it.. Well, we dont need to go there, but ready aim pew pew pew, is NOT going to trigger anyone..
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There is a reason patience is a virtue, and the STO community has proved it. As someone who's actually spoken to the devs, I am truly amazed that they managed to get Legacy of Romulus up at all. Daniel Stahl has recently suffered the loss of his grandfather, yet he's still going and he got the game up for us. The devs have lives that they lead and they take the time out of them to bring you this expansion and game. I am truly amazed at their patience with everyone without it on these forums. These people have a true passion, and you repay their dedication with scorn.
A lot of Trekkies ( and I will admit on occasion even myself) are selfish, egotistical, and self-centered. Obviously not all, and those who aren't I applaud you. Star Trek is a franchise about the good of humanity and here we are showing the worst of it. I'm ashamed at this behavior out of the fanbase.
Now, if you're uncontent with the game right now, go elsewhere. If you think servers will be switched out because so many people want on, you may as well sit and wait for a million years, no one's going to pamper you. Cryptic does the best they can but it's never enough for people who complain.
One of these days I fear PerfectWorld's going to get tired of all this negativity and order Cryptic to shut down STO for good. When that day comes, remember that you didn't show respect to people who bent over backwards for you. Cryptic devs if you're reading this, thank you for everything you've done in spite of us not deserving it. Mr. Stahl, you have my deepest sympathies on the passing of your grandfather, and can not thank you enough for getting LoR up in spite of his passing. Thank you.
People argue there is not enough Star Trek in STO. I once commented long ago, which got a reply from someone at Cryptic, and quite a few laughs, that I had massacred potentially hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Klingons, and that this could not be a Star Trek game. I started thinking after that.... I should have stayed Captain... I should never have let them promote me to admiral. I should have taken more of the exploration missions, as repetitive as they were. I came to the realization that the game mechanics do not force you to do anything. Encourage it, perhaps, but for all intents and purposes, you are in command. And maybe that phaser is set to stun.
Engage.
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None of you guys think you are special? Aren't deserving of more? You just want to 'normal' and conform? I don't. I'm different. I demand excellence. I demand to be treated well. I demand. You call me entitled. I call it having higher standards.
It not until someone is willing to call BS on the MMO industry that this madness will end. Making excuses and taking it only encourages them to keep giving you bad service by keeping the status quo.
As for Tribble... Well its documented that bug reports sent to them don't do much. Game breaking bugs still make it onto Holodeck regularly. Why have testers if those testers don't have an impact?
Popcorn.
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Why do people say this is free? You have to have at some point purchased a computer to download and play STO on right? Was that free? Say you got it for a gift, fine. You have to pay for the internet that you are using to connect to STO. What about the electricity to run the modem and the computer you are using? None of that is free!
Okay sure that is nit picky but nothing if free. And I love how people are saying that it is out of the goodness of Cryptic's corporate heart that they allow the plebs to play their game. Someone somewhere has to throw money at STO otherwise you couldn't play your "free" game. Otherwise Crytpic wouldn't give a damn about you. Want to see real free games from the goodness of people's hearts? Search for Trek Fan games. Those are freer and definitely out of the love of the fandom, not the chance to make money.
Honestly... While no one was that surprised that there were some bugs the epic server instability was quite rough. Cryptic knew ahead of time that this was going to be big and that people were going to SLAM them the moment they could. They would have been wise to either have extra capacity ready or do like power companies after turning off the power to an area and try to choke the flow onto the servers until it was at tolerable levels.
This would have made more of the Ques but it would have been a saving grace for the server performance.
As for the rest of what you said there: I agree 100%. Not even just in regards to this expansion but even as a track record.
I would say look at the Vet Rewards (Those 1K day ships are actually very solid, especially the KDF one). Look at how they threw in an extra ship into the LOR Pack and a uniform and did not make you pay extra for it. (I LOVE how people whine that they are Gold so should get a discount on the LoR DISCOUNT Bundle... :rolleyes: )
I even recently reviewed the Chel'Gret... It is honestly one very powerful ship that setup correctly you can really compete and even beat Fleet/C-Store ships with its performance and it was FREE! The Devs made it and just GAVE it to ANYONE (Silver or Gold) who did the races. Generosity is not one of the weak spots for the Devs around here.
That said: I do not agree with much of PWE's policies nor am I a "Cryptic Fangirl" but I DO believe in giving credit where it is due.
Chillax. No Ego. No Drama.
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Mr. Pedant. Neat. Well I suppose a person could download and play the game without paying anything themselves. Only because the cost was carried by someone else, like a Lifer/Gold or Silvers who buy zen. I'd like to think even if you're completely 'free' player wouldn't put up with a queue that is over 25k long and want better service.
that is curious, I think I'd like to survey a good number of real vanilla sto players and their experience regarding, very interesting.
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I find it okay. Then again I am a casual player and have no plans of going into PvP, just PvE. Serious answer.
thanks for that. I might have to hit you up in the future, although you do bring up something else interesting... im going to hazard a good guess that there are no serious vanilla pvp players.
as far as pve goes for you, would you say its ok "i get by", ok "it hampers me", ok "other"
sry for the lack of options, feel free to input or describe however. having gotten lts when it came out, i really have little understanding on what vanilla involves, will have to forum search tomorrow
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This I found the most hilarious as well.
People moaning how it's soooo expensive yet if they look in the C-Store now at all of the items the pack contains and the zen prices attached to those individual items, you'll see you easily got your worth for the 120 bucks the Legacy Pack costs.
The ships alone already cover it.
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
But it doesn't count considering the rage people have and not trying to replace it with something constructive.
Geeks are what they are - they can't yell and fight on the outside but on the forums, under their pseudonym, they are the "strongest".
And the other bunch are just spoiled brats who want what they want and there's nothing else that can replace that desire.
One thing is for sure; the developers don't pay much attention to that jibberish- they have more important things to pay attention to than scrolling through lines of some frustrated person who doesn't know better.
So I think it shouldn't matter, those rude and short sided comments, and just leave it alone, not "fueling" the rage with our response as it is. We have better things to do, like enjoying the game and have fun in it. And when we can't, we DO have a book, a bike, friends to go out with and a lot of other things..
That's it, I'm for a bike ride. C ya some other time!
Ya knowww, some of those so called whiners are Combat vets or have other trauma that they're working on healing and this game is helping them to heal.. When you pick up your best friends guts out of the dirt and try to shove them back in a hole that used to be the guys stomach in order to keep him alive for one second longer, only to get shipped home to happy happy joy joy land where everything is all smiles till you turn your back: you just might want to give people a little bit of a break.
I know Cryptic probably cant afford a new server room at this point to make it easy on everyone, and thats a real shame, but it doesnt give anyof us the right to insult anyone by calling them whiners, and acting all high and mighty like little Ahabs, but neither does it mean these folks shouldnt have a right to express their frustration.. Regardless of their life experiences..
Oh yeahh.. i'm F2P by the way..
Actually, its quite the opposite. The deeper the trauma, the easier it is to trigger. One guy i knew who was a seal in panama, saw three penneys in a line on the floor and immediately did a tuck and roll grabbing for his rifle.. That kind of **** never leaves you and like whiskey, only intensifies with age as it boroughs deeper into you.
:::LOL:: agreed, and i can certainly understand the frustration of those frustrated by the frustrated complainers.. but at that point, isnt it just a kind of round robin circle jerk??
Have you seen all the things these people have been calling Cryptic for the last few days?
It makes us calling them whiners pale in comparisson.
Which world giant??
I laughed my butt off the first time i ran my ship into one.. here they looked so big that i thought they had done them to scale, and then i ran into one with my ship and found out how small it was.. kinda like the one we live in ya know.. god it was funny..
I think I've called cryptic a few things myself.. Oh hell, i'm not trying to defend any one, nor am i trying to say anyone is wrong.. But if Cryptic wanted me to defend it, it would get me a gun and ammo and set me in a tree somewhere where i could have a good firing arc on whoever is coming or going.. they dont need me or anyone to play hero.. Theyre big kids now. yeah sure we're all very passionate about this game, and we all hate to see it put down and seemingly marred by people, but well, i guess i believe we arent doing it any better by lowering ourselves to these other peoples standards is all..
I guess my old coach said it best.. Play hard, play real. save it for the court and then givem hell..
Nahhh. Ya see, theres a big difference between people and pixels.. When i do an stf or a foundry mission, thats pixels.. no one gets hurt.. But when i PVP. One of us is going to lose. one of us is not going to be happy and one of us gets hurt.. Thats where anything inside gets triggered.. the rest of it.. Well, we dont need to go there, but ready aim pew pew pew, is NOT going to trigger anyone..
Now where did you learn of pogmahone?? Thats a name i havent heard in a long long time..