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nafeasonto1
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I have been playing for nearly 3 weeks again, (I quit OVER a year ago) and noticed something and now it's starting to annoy me.
The biggest issue is, the stuff you "really really" want, the game almost forces you to buy off the Zen store.
Dilthium is the most valued commodity in the game and you are only allowed to refine 8K a day. You get ore which is useless until refined, hence the 24hr restriction to refine. DIL is used to buy nearly everything. If you want to get more then a days worth you would have to buy Zen with real money then convert the Zen to fake (DIL) money. (Hence the nearly FORCED having to buy Zen to get DIL.)
Some ships costs ZEN AND DIL. This makes no sense because now you are paying almost double to get something.
Lock boxes are dropped which need "master keys" which of course you have to buy on the Zen store, which costs real money. Or buy it off the exchange for about 1.7Mil EC a piece. This is obvious the biggest money maker in the game, and probably the biggest rip off due to the fact most of the time you get TRIBBLE or you buy 10 keys at a time which cost 1200 ZEN which is ridiculous.
If you can deal with the insane prices for items and ships for the game, go ahead and play. If you can't afford to pay out the bucks don't bother to play. In all honesty. There is also no real advantage to subscribing. Why not even give people a discount off the store so now you are paying 15 dollars a month plus ZEN ? That is INSANE. Getting 500 ZEN a month is not worth it, as you would get that ANYWAY if you played the game for free.
When you join a FLEET you can get FLEET ships, but the only way to get THOSE is a FLEET MODULE. WHICH AGAIN OF COURSE you have to buy off then Zen store. (THAT IS A FORCED BUY. Don't tell me IT ISN'T).
They are 500 ZEN A PIECE. (That is INSANE). some ships need FIVE Modules. You can buy the equivalent refit ship on the ZEN STORE, to make it cost ONE fleet module but again it's half a dozen one way or the other, there is no difference. You end up paying the same thing.
So not only do you have to work your butt off in the game, you have to work your real job very hard and earn real money to play a game to earn fake stuff. It's become a very lucrative business this game and makes me more and more angry the more I find out how they nickel and dime you, and they set it up PERFECTLY.
This game is loaded with content now, but the way it's nickel and dimming you is insanity. It makes me angry I am having a lot of fun, but I become more angry as I find out what needs to be done just to earn things in the game.
Don't tell me it's the same thing if you paid 15.00 a month back in the day. You can spend well over $100.00 in this game in a DAY, then you did in a YEAR with other sub games. Still earn the same stuff.
How can NO ONE else be annoyed by this?
The biggest issue is, the stuff you "really really" want, the game almost forces you to buy off the Zen store.
Dilthium is the most valued commodity in the game and you are only allowed to refine 8K a day. You get ore which is useless until refined, hence the 24hr restriction to refine. DIL is used to buy nearly everything. If you want to get more then a days worth you would have to buy Zen with real money then convert the Zen to fake (DIL) money. (Hence the nearly FORCED having to buy Zen to get DIL.)
Some ships costs ZEN AND DIL. This makes no sense because now you are paying almost double to get something.
Lock boxes are dropped which need "master keys" which of course you have to buy on the Zen store, which costs real money. Or buy it off the exchange for about 1.7Mil EC a piece. This is obvious the biggest money maker in the game, and probably the biggest rip off due to the fact most of the time you get TRIBBLE or you buy 10 keys at a time which cost 1200 ZEN which is ridiculous.
If you can deal with the insane prices for items and ships for the game, go ahead and play. If you can't afford to pay out the bucks don't bother to play. In all honesty. There is also no real advantage to subscribing. Why not even give people a discount off the store so now you are paying 15 dollars a month plus ZEN ? That is INSANE. Getting 500 ZEN a month is not worth it, as you would get that ANYWAY if you played the game for free.
When you join a FLEET you can get FLEET ships, but the only way to get THOSE is a FLEET MODULE. WHICH AGAIN OF COURSE you have to buy off then Zen store. (THAT IS A FORCED BUY. Don't tell me IT ISN'T).
They are 500 ZEN A PIECE. (That is INSANE). some ships need FIVE Modules. You can buy the equivalent refit ship on the ZEN STORE, to make it cost ONE fleet module but again it's half a dozen one way or the other, there is no difference. You end up paying the same thing.
So not only do you have to work your butt off in the game, you have to work your real job very hard and earn real money to play a game to earn fake stuff. It's become a very lucrative business this game and makes me more and more angry the more I find out how they nickel and dime you, and they set it up PERFECTLY.
This game is loaded with content now, but the way it's nickel and dimming you is insanity. It makes me angry I am having a lot of fun, but I become more angry as I find out what needs to be done just to earn things in the game.
Don't tell me it's the same thing if you paid 15.00 a month back in the day. You can spend well over $100.00 in this game in a DAY, then you did in a YEAR with other sub games. Still earn the same stuff.
How can NO ONE else be annoyed by this?
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nobody is forcing you to pay any real money to play.. everything can be obtained for free if you work for it.
think you are suffering from the need it now syndrome.
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BUT
in the end its really easy to get basically everything in the game without payout so much as a dime. Even the lobi ships are accessable via the exchange for in the end low prices.. okay its like 80mios but if you're at least modest in your play you can easily farm that in under a week if need be. ofc you cant get everything all at once for free but if you really set your mind to say getting a jey'hadar dread you can. It may take some time but you will get there eventually.. the better player you are the fast you'll get there. Also there will come a time when you did all the repu stuff and got all the items you wanted so you will have nothing really to spend your dili on except perhaps fleet projects or you can trade it for zen. Even with current high prices with 3 chars you can make 24k dili a day which translates into about 200 zen.. so even a vesta pack for 5k zen could be obtained in less then a month and with only about 1-2 hours of playtime each day.
in the end its a tradeoff between time and money.. some ppl like to get the stuff fast or dont wanna grind for it so they spend money and thus help finance f2p. Others take their time and they also get the stuff but it takes a while and some efford. Everyone can pick their comfort zone in between so you can grind half and pay for the rest or something like that.
and need well, it would be really nice if you really needed all that stuff i bought^^ but if we exclude high lvl pvp basically every mission, every estf even can easily done with mk xi or even lower stuff from the exchange for say 1-2mio EC and you do fine with that. Maybe not exceptionally well but good enough.
As for being a gold member, well, its quite useful to be gold while lvling a char, but most of the advantages of being a gold member stay even after you have discontinued your sub so really its more of a "pls support us" than a must have.
so YES some prices are a bit steep but in no way shape or form is it necessary for you to spend any real money on this game to achieve whatever your goal is, except for stuff like the 1000day vet ship but its not that great anyway.
LOTRO and DDO have really solid F2P models.
I have not purchased a single point of Zen since the game has gone FTP yet own every Fed item in the C-Store and several Fleet ships. I am not unique.
Beyond all that, there's nothing wrong with spending a few bucks on a game you like. Earning even 8k in Dilithium per day means you're refining 240,000 per month. At 135 per, that means you're making 1,700 Zen per month - which means you can buy 3 Modules for free, or 4 Modules and only need to spend $3.00 of your own money. Spending a few bucks a month to get an idem you want isn't unreasonable.
Hey man what's up yeah I am back in a cool fleet how are you?
OFC it suck to be capped, but there is a reason why, and it's not only because they want to make more money.
Which one ? Honest question.
Hate that to. But every f2p have gamblebox now. SWTOR, LOTRO, Defiance...
And you can grind money for a gamblebox ship anyway. I did it for a Wells, didn't spent a cent for it. It took me about 2-3months, but I did it. And while playing casually.
This game can be freely played, including ALL content released to date. You can also play endgame with a fine ship, or even a good ship if you include event related ships (Chel grett, odyssey...).
And if you are a 600d vets/LTS, you simply have no excuses, as you receive a free ship token at 50.
500zen/months>>>>discount. 500zen/month means you can unlock stuff without paying. Discount mean you can unlock stuff if you pay.
Which mean it's quite easy to earn 500zen ? You said it.
Or you just buy them from the exchange for some EC. Or you trade dil for zen, and buy them. Or you do both.
Come on, that's not even difficult to grind enough money for it.
And you'll have an awesome ship, maybe even better than any Cstore ship. For free. And yet, you complain.
Yep, and everything free. Forever. Strange you forget to mention it.
It's obviously not the same thing. Now, if you can refrain yourself a bit, you can have everything you want, for the same amount of money, or even less than before
I am LTS on LOTRO. I never spent a cent on LOTRO since then, and still bought every add on released so far, and some useless thing I would never had before f2p (storage extension, vanity costumes, xp/reput boost....).
One word : stipend. Another proof stipend beats discount everytime.
Now, it seems OP is annoyed because he want some ship, but don't want to wait for it. Or pay for it.
Or maybe he spent a lot more than expected, and he/wife realized that, and he is now angry against cryptic.
Thanks to DOFFing I'm making 1000 zen+ a week at current exchange rates off of four whole characters. Never mind the people with like 20 of the things.
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DDO? Solid F2P model?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
I may however, be a bit biased. Seriously, TRIBBLE that game.
Keep in mind OP, things exist for a reason, and most players never reach the 8K limit anyway. It's there to keep power gamers from TRIBBLE with the numbers and giving you an excuse to shell out money in exchange for progress. It's not a bad thing at all.
- the game is f2p and you are allowed to play EVERY bit of the content for free
- the things you "really want" - you are right - want, not need. you can play through every bit of content with the free options and stay compatable.
- if you want - you are free to grind for Zen, or buy Zen. It is your choice.
stop complaining. STO has the best f2p model there is. what it lacks is more in-depth content and more PVE group content. PVP revamp. crafting revamp.
also, cross-faction teaming everywhere and the opportunity of choosing the mark reward for every PVE group queue.
and you can buy fleet module for about 5M , which is pretty easy to get.
Because we clearly have a different view on life. And I don't have to be a Lifer ... and I do not have to buy ships ... game is probably quite good without a few perks, it is excellent with ... but for a random person who appears to not like Trek ... yeah ...
Or your trolling
I hope STO get's better ...
That comes out to $10/month average.
And it's a Trek game so still a better return on investment than playing a P2P game :P
That said I do still spend some cash, from time to time.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Now onto op:
You do not need c-store ships, I am still using the ships I got at RA level, and the Oddesey I got from the anniversary event. I have a MVAE and I regretted it wish I hadn't wasted the dilithium on it and we are talking when it was 200+ dil to the c-point. I am still debating on the Vesta line it looks interesting but it is not something that makes me go "want, want, want".
As others have said it is 8k per character per day. However it is the cap that keeps its' value at a generally level footing. I do think they need to relook at some of its' uses in game, with the possability of a few of the minor or old sinks being removed.
On the subscription. You are forgetting a couple of things:
- bank and inventory space increases for free as you level f2p pay for them from the beginning.
- more character slots to start with, again an f2p has to play zen for that.
- respec tokens as you level, f2ps pay for those.
Therefore the 500 zen isn't the only advantage.
It is all these people willing to pay for zen that has kept the game alive and it is nowhere near as bad as some free to play games out there where you can be nickle and dimmed to death for the pay to win items.
No they are not forced buys no matter how much of your sentence is in capital letters.
1) you can get them for EC off the exchange for free.
2) you can get them by trading dilithium for free. do you understand that any player can completely circumvent the need to put any money into this game if they want.
3) they offer fractionally better stats. like 10% extra hull and shields and i think a console slot. thats it. the change is so minor to the human eye no one is going to notice that tiny uptick in ability during the middle of combat. No one is forcing you to buy them, and you can play the game quite happily without them.
But as the rest of the people have commented, there's hardly anything but titles you can't get without real money with a bit of effort.
Kinda but some content can only be unlocked if you pay. All content in STO (sans Steamrunner) is 'free'.
At the rate of 130 dil per Zen at the exchange, I earn 50 Zen per captain daily. Just from doffing (about 5-8 minutes of 'clicking'). During another 10 minutes wandering around while waiting for STFs to begin, I try getting 3-4 support colonization missions, worth around 1-2mil EC (33% chance of a critical success, then grind that purple into 3 rares, at worst 100k EC each).
Yeah, so you are definitely not alone. I know of someone who has a few million REFINED dil... it's shockingly easy to get EC, unrefined dil or Zen. The only 'hard to get' would be Lobi and you can just use Zen to buy those keys.
Yeah, the only thing that still irritates me about them is the space they take up
STO and CO, are the only F2P games I know off where not only is everything 'free'*, but it's actually quite easy to grind up whatever you need in a short amount of time. No other game comes close. Sometimes, it makes me wonder how they even break even, let alone turn a profit on STO. On the other paw, I firmly believe the KDF faction has the superior ships, consoles and captains... perhaps I'm just looking at the silver lining of things.
*Steamrunner only available via Steam, AFAIK.
You'll get your answer tomorrow when the inevitable threads with "I bought keys for 200$ and got no ship!!1" will pop up. (Assuming the servers don't crash in which case you know how the forum will look)
amen brother im right behind you at about 1800 and climbing in the end you are correct it allows mw to have fun and I enjoy myself I have to ask a serious question though I see a lot of people on here that in there sigs they say thing like 'haven't spent a dime on evil cryptic " and I jus wonder .....why do so many people act like its a crime for these guys to charge money for stuff I just don't get it theses people aren't fanbois who made a game they are a BUSINESS and they are here to make money in exchange for something YOU like and if and it keeps the game going I mean really if people like us didn't buy what would be the reason for them to even make LOR out of the kindness of their hearts ? don't delude yourself but basically to come on here and gripe because you have no money to buy anything ...........your sense of entitlement is ......nm you are dismissed!!
It's not so much a crime as this is a model we are not that used to in the western areas, it can look like a pay to win system which can be an uncomfortable system for gamers. We are used to a subscription model where you pay a fee and have full access to everything and it was time that mattered not your bank balance. Given how it has saved some games and more seem to be going along the dual system we have, neither pure sub based nor pure free to play, people are getting used to it.
I think part of the problem also was when the game went free to play, that is when I joined, was the drop rate of the lock boxes, it sent out a bad message where maybe there was none to be sent. They were literaly dropping from pretty much anything, mines, the metreon gas clouds in one of the misions, etc, and the numbers of them was ridiculous. This created a bad impression of what was to come and it is first impressions that can matter in this sort of area.
Though I do agree with my fellow STO people that this game is truly indeed the best F2P online right now, (especially after trying dc universe online and champions online), I do agree too with you, nafeasonto1.
I don't think things should cost so much in this game. I think , for example, the Jem'hadar ships and ferengi and all those good ones in the lock boxes, should be in the zen store.
Just think how many people would buy them?
So I do agree with you about alot of what you said, yet at the same time, STO seems to be the only game online that allows such a great exchange of zen for fake money.
I don't mind trading some zen at times, as I do, for the dil, it's just I wish certain things only cost zen and were in the zen store.
I personally think, STO is the number one F2P (and I voted for STO ), anyhow, it's the best one , in my opinion because of the exchange rate, and for the fact that it exists.
It's a smart/ wise business move, cause then there is a constant interaction for people online. Those who really like the game, will remain.
I like the idea that people who can't afford to spend real money, can go to the exchange and get zen, while the people who CAN use real Money, can trade for dil.
Meanwhile, (so far as I know), a game like DC Universe Online, you can't get ANY of the good stuff, unless you actually pay real money.
Live long and Prosper everyone.
and STO is in my opinion the best, by far actually.
here is why: Lotro and DDO are good f2p models too, but all content past lvl 40 is to pay, period. You can grind some of the currency, but the cap is around 2800 with free charslots you get...and you have to do all the deads possible.
DDO is kind of better if you know somebody who can buy you the content, or you grind up too to buy some content.
SWTOR is the worst of all f2p models so far, but it offers a really nice level 1-50 experiance, maybe the best of all of those mmos
too many limitations though for f2p users...and even for "once paying" players
STO's content is free to everybody, anything you see in the market is within your reach without opening the pocket.
You do not feel that you miss something on your silver account, yet upgrading to gold, really feels like upgrading.
the only negative thing is the lockbox lottery...each time i open one, i feel like i lost something, especially before lobi was introduced. There is still not enough lobi in a box to convince me to invest my zen into those.