and im sorry you and a few others don't get that no true or die hard fan of romulans will like this RR
While I am not a Romulan fan I do agree with you. The problem is that LoR is not really about pleasing Romulan fans. Its about bringing in new players. Ideally from the ranks of non trek fans. The average dev may not even be aware of it but I'm certain that the decision makers at Cryptic deliberately went with a "Rebel Alliance" copy to appeal to as broad an audience as possible.
From a marketing standpoint it works out great, from a fan of the series its a mixed bag at best. A lot of fans are trying really, REALLY hard to like it simply because its the first story content (aside from that ONE mission during the anniversary) that the game has gotten in a long time. Heck, some even argue that its a beautiful story of a society growing up... to me that's just a bunch of self righteous nonsense.
We know that Cryptic will do what it predicts will generate the most income, in this case bringing in new players is what will do that, as well as making it possible for existing players to have whole new characters to spend cash on.
While I am not a Romulan fan I do agree with you. The problem is that LoR is not really about pleasing Romulan fans. Its about bringing in new players. Ideally from the ranks of non trek fans. The average dev may not even be aware of it but I'm certain that the decision makers at Cryptic deliberately went with a "Rebel Alliance" copy to appeal to as broad an audience as possible.
From a marketing standpoint it works out great, from a fan of the series its a mixed bag at best. A lot of fans are trying really, REALLY hard to like it simply because its the first story content (aside from that ONE mission during the anniversary) that the game has gotten in a long time. Heck, some even argue that its a beautiful story of a society growing up... to me that's just a bunch of self righteous nonsense.
We know that Cryptic will do what it predicts will generate the most income, in this case bringing in new players is what will do that, as well as making it possible for existing players to have whole new characters to spend cash on.
if I were a new player, I would expect to play Romulans I was familiar with not ones that had been completely invented and went around wearing scarves.
if I were a new player, I would expect to play Romulans I was familiar with not ones that had been completely invented and went around wearing scarves.
You're thinking like a romulan fan or at least a fan of trek. Have you seen all the marketing behind LoR? Their intent is to bring in non Trek fans. To a non trek fan the KDF are little better than Space-Horde and the Federation is sterile and barely recognizable as human. As a contrast to that the RR seems like a scrappy band of adventurering heroes here to save the day. How could it not, its custom built to appeal to a broad audience. If you tell a new player the RR is the Rebel Alliance of STO they would immediately get it.
Look at it this way, they're inserting a non Trek faction into Trek to make it more palatable to a general audience. People love underdog rebels; heck, why else are the Maquis so popular?
if I were a new player, I would expect to play Romulans I was familiar with not ones that had been completely invented and went around wearing scarves.
I would expect that would be the case among most Trek fans, and Romulan fans in particular, but I think what Skyranger 1414 is saying is that Cryptic isn't trying to attract Romulan fans with the Legacy of Romulus expansion-as backwards as that may seem. Cryptic devs have already been quoted as saying they based the faction off of the like of the Bajoran resistance from DS9 and the Rebel Alliance from Star Wars, and additionally that this decision to make a 'freedom fighter' faction was driven from their belief that 'evil' factions don't sell as well as 'good' factions. So now, despite the fact that Romulans have almost invariably been depicted as 'bad guys' over the run of TNG/DS9/VOY, the movies, etc etc and pretty much all supplementary material-they are being turned into 'good guys' suddenly and disorientingly.
In short? They are making a Romulan faction, but not one for Romulan fans-they are making a mass-appeal faction. Honestly, I don't expect it to fail because it is, after all designed for mass-market appeal, but I can't help but feel that LoR is a huge bait-and-switch towards Romulan fans who have been waiting far too long for their RSE faction.
You're thinking like a romulan fan or at least a fan of trek. Have you seen all the marketing behind LoR? Their intent is to bring in non Trek fans. To a non trek fan the KDF are little better than Space-Horde and the Federation is sterile and barely recognizable as human. As a contrast to that the RR seems like a scrappy band of adventurering heroes here to save the day. How could it not, its custom built to appeal to a broad audience. If you tell a new player the RR is the Rebel Alliance of STO they would immediately get it.
Look at it this way, they're inserting a non Trek faction into Trek to make it more palatable to a general audience. People love underdog rebels; heck, why else are the Maquis so popular?
If those people arent fans of Trek let alone Romulans, then what possible interest would the expansion have for them in the first place?
If those people arent fans of Trek let alone Romulans, then what possible interest would the expansion have for them in the first place?
People looking for a sci fi MMO with cool looking ships to fly around in. I've heard some describe the Romulan faction as having a very "Firefly" vibe. Personally, I can't really say as Firefly just didn't catch my interest but it would nto surprise me in the least if that was also a design direction they choose to go in.
Combine the Rebel Alliance with space elves and you get a potent mass market appeal cash cow... it'll be interesting to see how this infusion on non trek into a trek game works out. Personally I hope it fails dismally so Cryptic might be encouraged to go a design path that I would find more appealing.
If those people arent fans of Trek let alone Romulans, then what possible interest would the expansion have for them in the first place?
They get a 'rebel alliance' faction. As Cryptic has themselves said, 'badguy' factions don't sell nearly as well as 'goodguy' factions. In one of their interviews this was explicitly mentioned as the core reason why we are getting the Romulan Republic instead of a Romulan Star Empire faction. So they want to broaden the appeal of a Romulan faction by making them 'good'. people who aren't fans of Trek, or fans of the Romulans are less likely to care that they have mutilated the essense of what Romulans are about-just as long as they get their goodguy faction.
They could have made it any faction. If anything Cardassians might have fit the LoR storyline better, but they decided to use Romulans because of the 'big three' factions (Federation, Klingons, Romulans) they were the only one without a faction yet. In this way they can utilize iconic imagery from the Romulans (warbird etc) to draw in people who might not know much about Star Trek or care about the Romulans. They are an identifiable aspect of trek pop culture.
There are a lot of people who would be drawn to LoR just because they get to fly the cool Romulan ships, or because they want to play a Romulan 'Drizzt' like Darkelfofficer.
As a Trek fan all my life, and a great fan of Romulans who will be making his Romulan his main, I'm pretty sick of TNG Romulans the time has long come that they would be a change....just like The Klingons from TOS to TNG it was a matter of time before the Romulans would not be the super bad guys....there have been plenty of game where you can play the bad guy Romulans in the past, and no one is stopping anyone from being a d**k in game.
The goal of the Romulan Republic storyline wasn't to resolve the Iconian plot, but instead tell the backstory and get them synched up with the FED and KDF so that everyone is on equal footing for the next FE Series which will take place after the abduction of Sela and the discovery of the Gateway on Mol'Rihan.
This way, all three factions are now aware of an Iconian plot and the upcoming series and seasons will address what they are going to do about it.
Makes sense im personally happy with LoR though i do get creeped out by all those little red dwarfs running around the flotilla lol
Dukat would make a great president! Almost as good a one as Nixon's head.
As it was said, Space elf rebel alliance does have its pop culture charm.
And the Klingons already have taken the "Bad guy who is not so evil" wow-horde place, so putting the Romulans there would not be a good marketing choice.
Lets face it, the romulans dont have the Klingon's funny, viking vibe, the Sith's dark coolness, or the fantastical evilness of the Chaos Legions.
They don not have enough "bad guy" charm. They cant replace the Klingons there. So why try and fail?
So making them the rebel freedom fighters really gives them a better marketing value, as a lot of people (especially from western europe and USA, where the freedom fighter pop icon is at its most popular) can identify with these republic romulans.
The devs even admitted that their uniforms have a western style.
To non die hard fans, it would be a "Green kdf" faction. Now its something unique.
Honestly a lot of trek fans have been happy with the republic.
Out of like 5 romulans, only 1 wanted to play as the Star Empire and not the Republic.
And that person can rename the ship IRW instead of RRW.
They have been playing a federation alien romulan, and now D'rizzt can actually fly a romulan ship.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I dont really see a lot of people complaining about it.
Around a dozen die hard fans. A dozen.
Out of... how many test players? Pretty sure more then a hundred.
Oh, and changing the sector space was an art-related problem.
I'm pretty sure they just did a graphical overhaul on tribble a week or so ago?
Most players rarely if ever post on forums. I'm sure if you counted up all of the people falling heads over heels for legacy of Romulus, it would come out to a small portion compared to the total playerbase as well.
I dont really see a lot of people complaining about it.
Around a dozen die hard fans. A dozen.
Out of... how many test players? Pretty sure more then a hundred.
Oh, and changing the sector space was an art-related problem.
I'm pretty sure they just did a graphical overhaul on tribble a week or so ago?
but really, you wouldnt have cared about anything they did. It could have been RSE and you would have been cool. They could have made us blue with big eyes and you would have been OK. Its just another toon to you.
Do you think there would be the Klingon content there actually is if the people who were into Klingons had not spoken up in that Beta.
Most players rarely if ever post on forums. I'm sure if you counted up all of the people falling heads over heels for legacy of Romulus, it would come out to a small portion compared to the total playerbase as well.
If it wasnt for this Beta it would probably have been at least a year and 1/2 since I have used the forum for anything but reading patch notes.
I find it remarkable that not that long ago people were content with just the possibility of getting a D'deridex in a lock box. Now these same people are boo hooing about not having Romulans just the way they want them.
You know why JJ Abrams did an alt timeline reboot? Because he had to find a way around people like this, A way to break free of the guys who are always saying "The Holy Book of Trek speaketh, and thus sayeth the lord, this be not Canon".
This is a multi-player game, it's not factual, it's not canonical, it doesn't have to be and like any game they can make the story any way they like, the sooner people just accept that and just enjoy the story as presented the better off they'll be.
My only beef with the Romulan story is that the truth behind the Elachi is very vague, very grey. I get that it is some kind of created species that has something to do with the Iconians and unlike the Borg went a biological route to assimilating species, but how are they related to the Iconians? Did Hakeev have something to do with their creation, somehow merging Borg and Iconian science? The arc left me with more questions than answers and that the Elachi have essentially disappeared without a trace at the end of the Vengeance arc doesn't help. Is that it? With the destruction of a single base and the routing of their fleet we've eliminated the Elachi as a future threat? Will we see them in the future?
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
You know why JJ Abrams did an alt timeline reboot? Because he had to find a way around people like this, A way to break free of the guys who are always saying "The Holy Book of Trek speaketh, and thus sayeth the lord, this be not Canon"
oh so that why spock nero and Romulus are gone................. that why romulans now do thing like experiment with borg technology
sorry but his movie was not a work around in essence his movie is why we are not playing for the RSE
wont the "new players" (who arent coming guys) get a bit piqued when at level 10 they arent scarppy underdogs but Fed or Klingons
Cryptic keeps saying how successful STO has become and how many new players they have etc, etc, etc. Personally, I think they are getting a ton of new players all the time, the problem is they don't stick with the game. Will being part of a non Trek faction make staying in STO more enticing? Maybe? I honestly don't know.
I DO know that the factions currently available was not a reason people left. If anything I'd say a more likely reason for people not staying is talking to the longtime players and getting a history of the way Cryptic has handled the game. That scares new players away from investing time and money in STO. I can't say I blame them, better to go elsewhere with an uncertain future than start in STO with a known terribad past. THere are a multitude of other things that make people think twice about setting roots in STO, but not having a Rebel Alliance is not one of them. I want to be clear about what I'm trying to say here, they are trying to entice new players with a Rebel Alliance faction instead of fixing some of the core problems that scare players away. This a subtle thing but they are trying to tip the scales instead of fixing things and making the game baseline better.
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While I am not a Romulan fan I do agree with you. The problem is that LoR is not really about pleasing Romulan fans. Its about bringing in new players. Ideally from the ranks of non trek fans. The average dev may not even be aware of it but I'm certain that the decision makers at Cryptic deliberately went with a "Rebel Alliance" copy to appeal to as broad an audience as possible.
From a marketing standpoint it works out great, from a fan of the series its a mixed bag at best. A lot of fans are trying really, REALLY hard to like it simply because its the first story content (aside from that ONE mission during the anniversary) that the game has gotten in a long time. Heck, some even argue that its a beautiful story of a society growing up... to me that's just a bunch of self righteous nonsense.
We know that Cryptic will do what it predicts will generate the most income, in this case bringing in new players is what will do that, as well as making it possible for existing players to have whole new characters to spend cash on.
if I were a new player, I would expect to play Romulans I was familiar with not ones that had been completely invented and went around wearing scarves.
You're thinking like a romulan fan or at least a fan of trek. Have you seen all the marketing behind LoR? Their intent is to bring in non Trek fans. To a non trek fan the KDF are little better than Space-Horde and the Federation is sterile and barely recognizable as human. As a contrast to that the RR seems like a scrappy band of adventurering heroes here to save the day. How could it not, its custom built to appeal to a broad audience. If you tell a new player the RR is the Rebel Alliance of STO they would immediately get it.
Look at it this way, they're inserting a non Trek faction into Trek to make it more palatable to a general audience. People love underdog rebels; heck, why else are the Maquis so popular?
In short? They are making a Romulan faction, but not one for Romulan fans-they are making a mass-appeal faction. Honestly, I don't expect it to fail because it is, after all designed for mass-market appeal, but I can't help but feel that LoR is a huge bait-and-switch towards Romulan fans who have been waiting far too long for their RSE faction.
If those people arent fans of Trek let alone Romulans, then what possible interest would the expansion have for them in the first place?
People looking for a sci fi MMO with cool looking ships to fly around in. I've heard some describe the Romulan faction as having a very "Firefly" vibe. Personally, I can't really say as Firefly just didn't catch my interest but it would nto surprise me in the least if that was also a design direction they choose to go in.
Combine the Rebel Alliance with space elves and you get a potent mass market appeal cash cow... it'll be interesting to see how this infusion on non trek into a trek game works out. Personally I hope it fails dismally so Cryptic might be encouraged to go a design path that I would find more appealing.
but 3 months after it goes live it will dwindle back down like always
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They could have made it any faction. If anything Cardassians might have fit the LoR storyline better, but they decided to use Romulans because of the 'big three' factions (Federation, Klingons, Romulans) they were the only one without a faction yet. In this way they can utilize iconic imagery from the Romulans (warbird etc) to draw in people who might not know much about Star Trek or care about the Romulans. They are an identifiable aspect of trek pop culture.
There are a lot of people who would be drawn to LoR just because they get to fly the cool Romulan ships, or because they want to play a Romulan 'Drizzt' like Darkelfofficer.
this coming from the one who has president ducat as his avatar...........
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Makes sense im personally happy with LoR though i do get creeped out by all those little red dwarfs running around the flotilla lol
As it was said, Space elf rebel alliance does have its pop culture charm.
And the Klingons already have taken the "Bad guy who is not so evil" wow-horde place, so putting the Romulans there would not be a good marketing choice.
Lets face it, the romulans dont have the Klingon's funny, viking vibe, the Sith's dark coolness, or the fantastical evilness of the Chaos Legions.
They don not have enough "bad guy" charm. They cant replace the Klingons there. So why try and fail?
So making them the rebel freedom fighters really gives them a better marketing value, as a lot of people (especially from western europe and USA, where the freedom fighter pop icon is at its most popular) can identify with these republic romulans.
The devs even admitted that their uniforms have a western style.
To non die hard fans, it would be a "Green kdf" faction. Now its something unique.
Honestly a lot of trek fans have been happy with the republic.
Out of like 5 romulans, only 1 wanted to play as the Star Empire and not the Republic.
And that person can rename the ship IRW instead of RRW.
They have been playing a federation alien romulan, and now D'rizzt can actually fly a romulan ship.
ya we need a guy who goes devil worship with the keys to the US nukes
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good thing you ppl are the needs of a few
imo dev is setting themselves up for a big back fire like they did with PVP kdf
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My needs would be fleet elite Quad heavy antiproton wing cannons with CrthX4 modifier. Mountable on any escort.
But i'm sure they did a marketing research to figure out which faction would sell the best in what form.
And they choose the one what would apply to the majority of players.
And if it is not the TNG romulans, its not my fault.
do you think they also tested neck scarves
i personally think we havent experienced the actual nerd rage that is to come.
Im sure Time Travelling Alien TRIBBLE looked good on paper
are you new to this game yes they did polls and what nots and the common reply was no fed/kdf lap dogs and say what you will RR is a lap dog
and romulans have been the biggest faction asked for from February 2 of 2010 and to be frank I don't think most of them where asking to play for D'tan
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ya ppl who have not play this RR I can see it now
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they couldnt have. at that time they didnt exist. people only had one vision if romulans in mind
Around a dozen die hard fans. A dozen.
Out of... how many test players? Pretty sure more then a hundred.
Oh, and changing the sector space was an art-related problem.
I'm pretty sure they just did a graphical overhaul on tribble a week or so ago?
and only one I see ok with this are feddy bears like you ppl like you who should play feds and level romulan to romulans
but really, you wouldnt have cared about anything they did. It could have been RSE and you would have been cool. They could have made us blue with big eyes and you would have been OK. Its just another toon to you.
Do you think there would be the Klingon content there actually is if the people who were into Klingons had not spoken up in that Beta.
If it wasnt for this Beta it would probably have been at least a year and 1/2 since I have used the forum for anything but reading patch notes.
You know why JJ Abrams did an alt timeline reboot? Because he had to find a way around people like this, A way to break free of the guys who are always saying "The Holy Book of Trek speaketh, and thus sayeth the lord, this be not Canon".
This is a multi-player game, it's not factual, it's not canonical, it doesn't have to be and like any game they can make the story any way they like, the sooner people just accept that and just enjoy the story as presented the better off they'll be.
My only beef with the Romulan story is that the truth behind the Elachi is very vague, very grey. I get that it is some kind of created species that has something to do with the Iconians and unlike the Borg went a biological route to assimilating species, but how are they related to the Iconians? Did Hakeev have something to do with their creation, somehow merging Borg and Iconian science? The arc left me with more questions than answers and that the Elachi have essentially disappeared without a trace at the end of the Vengeance arc doesn't help. Is that it? With the destruction of a single base and the routing of their fleet we've eliminated the Elachi as a future threat? Will we see them in the future?
oh so that why spock nero and Romulus are gone................. that why romulans now do thing like experiment with borg technology
sorry but his movie was not a work around in essence his movie is why we are not playing for the RSE
system Lord Baal is dead
Cryptic keeps saying how successful STO has become and how many new players they have etc, etc, etc. Personally, I think they are getting a ton of new players all the time, the problem is they don't stick with the game. Will being part of a non Trek faction make staying in STO more enticing? Maybe? I honestly don't know.
I DO know that the factions currently available was not a reason people left. If anything I'd say a more likely reason for people not staying is talking to the longtime players and getting a history of the way Cryptic has handled the game. That scares new players away from investing time and money in STO. I can't say I blame them, better to go elsewhere with an uncertain future than start in STO with a known terribad past. THere are a multitude of other things that make people think twice about setting roots in STO, but not having a Rebel Alliance is not one of them. I want to be clear about what I'm trying to say here, they are trying to entice new players with a Rebel Alliance faction instead of fixing some of the core problems that scare players away. This a subtle thing but they are trying to tip the scales instead of fixing things and making the game baseline better.