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warpetwarpet Member Posts: 506 Arc User
can u put gear score here and lock elite stf to everyone who dont have full epic gear,so much ppl coming there whit mx10 or worse gear since they dont need better gear to can enter:mad:
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  • shakesfistatskyshakesfistatsky Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    No...absolutely not. I have all MkXii purples and I loathe this elitist nonsense. It's ythe height of arrogance to limit someone else's enjoyment of the game because they're pixels aren't purple enough for you. If that's what you want go back to WOW.
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  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    MK X whites can handle Elite STF's. It is a matter of what are Captaining, what sort of Captain you are, and if you know what you are doing. So your proposal OP is completely unnecessary.
  • fiberteksyfirfiberteksyfir Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    hasukurobi wrote: »
    MK X whites can handle Elite STF's. It is a matter of what are Captaining, what sort of Captain you are, and if you know what you are doing. So your proposal OP is completely unnecessary.

    Truth here.

    How you fly your ship is more important than the actual gear that's on it for the most part. Even the most horribly kitted ships can still do eSTFs with little effort if abilities and chaining is done correctly.
  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Can't play STFs because I don't have reputation gear because I can't play STFs because I don't have reputation gear....

    Yeah, bad idea. :D
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  • plox21plox21 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    NOOooo!!!!!!!!!!....Gear score should never step foot in STO...NEVER!!!!.
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  • aleaicaleaic Member Posts: 352 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Absolutely... utterly... unequivocally NOT a chance. A good fleet / friends that teach everything to know about doing STFs right, is infinitely better than the digital discrimination, that GearScore has turned 'certain' MMOs into.

    And go to the Elite STF channels, if you want a better quality player, for an ESTF. Pugging Elites straight up, has essentially never been a good idea, anyway.
  • latiasracerlatiasracer Member Posts: 680 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This would not be fair. How would you get the marks for the gear in the first place lol?.





    What we should have, is more tips on loading screens!


    "Use special ship equipment unlocked through the reputation system to give you a survival edge in STF's!"

    "Using all one type of energy weapon helps conserve power, Dealing more damage over time"

    I can't think of any more, but things along those lines
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Gear score has been a bad thing in every game that's used it (most of which it's a player creation, not a game feature). It feeds a mentality of itemlevel over all else, so you see bizarre things like rogues with caster daggers and mages with attack power rings or tanks with cloth gloves because those are the highest ilevel items outside of raids.

    The only good thing I can say about it is that every WoW expansion while I played, a last-tier raider could get a high enough gearscore to break the mod, then he could make the fools rage in dungeons about his abnormally low gearscore, and solo the first pull without a tank to show off while they tried to vote him out.


    The difference between white and purple gear is about 15% - about the difference between blue and purple in WoW. The difference between a rainbow ship and a "proper" build is even less - about 3% per console after skill points come into play.

    A team of escorts in full purples with good builds should be doing around 200-400% MORE damage than is needed to hit the DPS checks. Gear accounts for approximately nothing in a margin like that.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    if you aren't good enough to do an elite with white mk X you belong on normals

    however how about blocking anyone who has full maco from ground stfs
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  • radkipradkip Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    warpet wrote: »
    can u put gear score here and lock elite stf to everyone who dont have full epic gear,so much ppl coming there whit mx10 or worse gear since they dont need better gear to can enter:mad:
    So because I haven't spent 120 million EC on purple consoles to fill the junk science slots on my ship, I am now barred from elite STFs which I already demolish with flying colours.

    Yep, I too support your dumb idea.
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    radkip wrote: »
    So because I haven't spent 120 million EC on purple consoles to fill the junk science slots on my ship, I am now barred from elite STFs which I already demolish with flying colours.

    Yep, I too support your dumb idea.

    Couldn't have summed it up better myself.

    But if the OP feels this strongly about it, then feel free to send some purple mk xii consoles my way so I am uh...better prepared for ESTF's in the future ;)
  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Absolutely not. This is one of the few things Cryptic could do to get me to leave. As others have said, you can do ESTFs in white MK X gear. It's all about your own skill and understanding the strategy of each map. Gear score is for the people who don't know any better and think that mad leet purpz make you teh awesomez. Or whatever junk they say that makes no sense.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    however how about blocking anyone who has full maco from ground stfs

    Is that full maco space or full maco ground?
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Space, because as long as we're enforcing silly elitist crock we might as well go full crazy about it.
  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    You can put common-quality gear on a ship and still do 6k DPS. It's all about playstyle: the abilities you use, how you use them, positioning, and so on.

    Look, I've spent hundreds of millions of EC on gear, for my own amusement. That doesn't make me or anyone else a good player. I certainly wouldn't want something like Gearscore in STO.
  • ironphoenix113ironphoenix113 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hmm...How can I put this mildly...

    Does NO work?

    Item level is really just a measure of luck and number of nights you spend playing a game while you should be sleeping. Skill level is completely unrelated.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Is that full maco space or full maco ground?

    Ground


    Space maco does not make you behave like bruce willis
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    Ground


    Space maco does not make you behave like bruce willis

    but space maco could make you behave like Han Solo. ;)

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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I certainly wouldn't want something like Gearscore in STO.

    I'd be interested in a version of it that uses Cryptic Math to calculate the score itself.

    Just imagine it. Biofunction monitors would give you a bigger score than the field emitter! Stuff like that!
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    1 c store console = a full set of purples

    so anyone with less than 3 c store consoles and no c store ship can't join ANY stf

    also on ground no one can join unless they are in a fleet that does not have "maco" "elite" or "special" in the name
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    and are called simon
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  • cuatelacuatela Member Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    warpet wrote: »
    can u put gear score here and lock elite stf to everyone who dont have full epic gear,so much ppl coming there whit mx10 or worse gear since they dont need better gear to can enter:mad:

    The problem is bad players, not bad gear. A good player can go into an elite STF with a freshly-minted Vice Admiral and still play well. And conversely, just because a player has full XII gear in every slot doesn't mean they know how to play. It just means they've facedesked their way through enough to get whatever they wanted.

    sollvax wrote: »
    if you aren't good enough to do an elite with white mk X you belong on normals

    however how about blocking anyone who has full maco from ground stfs

    Yeah.... no. Why penalize someone for having good gear? I hope you're trying to troll or something, because that's just a horrible idea.

  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    cuatela wrote: »
    I hope you're trying to troll or something, because that's just a horrible idea.

    As an aside, when did making a joke become trolling?
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    if you had run a stf with the two guys I got paired with last friday you might not consider it such a joke

    one of them spent the entire time shouting "yippee kai ay (deleted) " and kirk rolling
    and the other one lay on the ground shouting Help in german for half the mission
    had it not been for an Andorian tactical and a Rather helpful (and definately insane) federation klingon speced for melee we would probably still be at it
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    As an aside, when did making a joke become trolling?

    When Sollvax made it, because... Edit: oh hey, look, he posted. See? Those two German guys are everybody in the entire game with that set, and if history is any indication we will now have a twelve page discussion with Sollvax about why that is true.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    one German
    I think the other one was American and possible slightly plastered
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    if you had run a stf with the two guys I got paired with last friday you might not consider it such a joke

    one of them spent the entire time shouting "yippee kai ay (deleted) " and kirk rolling
    and the other one lay on the ground shouting Help in german for half the mission
    had it not been for an Andorian tactical and a Rather helpful (and definately insane) federation klingon speced for melee we would probably still be at it

    What's German for Remodulate?

    ;)
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'd be interested in a version of it that uses Cryptic Math to calculate the score itself.

    Just imagine it. Biofunction monitors would give you a bigger score than the field emitter! Stuff like that!

    It would be something like that... Neverwinter has gearscore implemented, and it also varies your gearscore depending on some temporary buffs. This doesn't always work.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    What's German for Remodulate?

    ;)

    No Idea
    but as he did not talk other than to shout for help Im not sure he had team chat on anyway

    As I say the Andorian and the Klingon carried the fight and I kept them both alive (Sci speced for healing)
    I would not want to mess with either of them in ground pvp
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  • nyasayanyasaya Member Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Neverwinter has it. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to bring it over to STO.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    But neverwinter is the poor relation
    I had a look (control wizard to level 16)
    its getting more and more repetative and less and less occupied

    the low level areas are packed
    seems once you hit about 12 and move to where the orcs are (tower district) theres hardly anyone there

    now maybe they all moved on and the newer guys are not there yet
    but well STO is always going to be the better game
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