its the best example of a d'deridex fireing shots in anger, that heavy cannon in its nose can remove 10% of a galaxy class's shields in 1 hit. given the ships size and combat style, thats not some plot device, thats a totally appropriate amount of damage for it to be dealing.
and ya, we are aware its not real, so what. this is a thread about how the ship should be in game, and we would like it to be more canon accurate then not. the ha'apax has what the d'deridex should have, simple as that. they should swap, and the d'deridex should get a turn rate better then 5, and then i'll frigging buy the legacy pack.
*edit- i should add the example that 1 ups even that, in the ds9 episode Visionary, a d'deridex single handedly destroyed DS9 with a decloak alpha strike. thats what this ship is, thats what it excels at. striking hard and destroying a fow in a single volley. they dont do well tanking and exposed, and they fared poorly in DS9 fleet battles. leave it to cryptic to give it a ton of hitpoints and no turn rate with crappy tac stations.
its the best example of a d'deridex fireing shots in anger, that heavy cannon in its nose can remove 10% of a galaxy class's shields in 1 hit. given the ships size and combat style, thats not some plot device, thats a totally appropriate amount of damage for it to be dealing.
and ya, we are aware its not real, so what. this is a thread about how the ship should be in game, and we would like it to be more canon accurate then not. the ha'apax has what the d'deridex should have, simple as that. they should swap, and the d'deridex should get a turn rate better then 5, and then i'll frigging buy the legacy pack.
The thing is the DD even in canon did not turn worth a snot its a big slow turning behemoth that uses its cloak as part of its arsenal to catch an opponent by suprise usually the first attack by a DD is fatal.
Now then the DDs weapons slots are ok for its tier what irks me is that it should be the exact opposite of a galaxy class.
The galaxy class is an engineer minded science ship TNG it was the freaking love boat....IN SPACE!! lol
And a BoP destroyed it with realitive ease considering its size
The DD should be a tac ship an agressive warbird built for battle the exact opposite of a galaxy class.
To go further the DD was actually made to destroy the galaxy class it was the romulans answer for the galaxy class.
So as it is ingame it is nothing of what the DD is in canon all it has is the look of a DD and thats it
There is literally not a single battle scene in the series where this is shown to be true. Not one.
There are novels about the DDs slow turn i forgot which book but the turn rate was exploited by a federation cruiser so that is what im basing the turn rate on.
If anything, the Tin Man episode did show the D'deridex turning better than is suggested by the stats in game. It was clear as day...the D'd turned on the Enterprise's viewscreen.
However, the D'deridex was also sent to make first contact with Tin Man in that episode...if folks want to play the Canon game - it's easy enough to do. The D'deridex would be exactly like the Galaxy...only, half as good. They sent two D'deridex to do the same mission that a single Galaxy was sent to do...
If anything, the Tin Man episode did show the D'deridex turning better than is suggested by the stats in game. It was clear as day...the D'd turned on the Enterprise's viewscreen.
However, the D'deridex was also sent to make first contact with Tin Man in that episode...if folks want to play the Canon game - it's easy enough to do. The D'deridex would be exactly like the Galaxy...only, half as good. They sent two D'deridex to do the same mission that a single Galaxy was sent to do...
....ooooooh, ahhhhhh, bazinga!
But but but.......they had picard and...earl grey tea :eek:
Im only going with what ive seen on TV or read in books to base my posts about the DD on it just seems as STO has nuetered the DD.
Anyways we will get what we get and thats up to cryptic to either make the DD better or leave it as is i may be disappointed by the DD but thats life
The thing is the DD even in canon did not turn worth a snot its a big slow turning behemoth that uses its cloak as part of its arsenal to catch an opponent by suprise usually the first attack by a DD is fatal.
Now then the DDs weapons slots are ok for its tier what irks me is that it should be the exact opposite of a galaxy class.
The galaxy class is an engineer minded science ship TNG it was the freaking love boat....IN SPACE!! lol
And a BoP destroyed it with realitive ease considering its size
The DD should be a tac ship an agressive warbird built for battle the exact opposite of a galaxy class.
To go further the DD was actually made to destroy the galaxy class it was the romulans answer for the galaxy class.
So as it is ingame it is nothing of what the DD is in canon all it has is the look of a DD and thats it
the galaxy wasn't a loveboat, well the D was, but it also had by far the most powerful weapons any federation ship had in all of canon, and is a match for a d'deridex in a strait fight. theres several examples of it being a powerhouse in combat, but sadly most of the time it gets plot railroaded into embarrassing defeat. its shown fire power that if it had used in all the times it got bested, it would have easily won.
the galaxy wasn't a loveboat, well the D was, but it also had by far the most powerful weapons any federation ship had in all of canon, and is a match for a d'deridex in a strait fight. theres several examples of it being a powerhouse in combat, but sadly most of the time it gets plot railroaded into embarrassing defeat. its shown fire power that if it had used in all the times it got bested, it would have easily won.
Im only going with what ive seen and read about the DD on either TV or trek books and since there isnt to much to go with it is understandable that what is known is limited.
But but but.......they had picard and...earl grey tea :eek:
Im only going with what ive seen on TV or read in books to base my posts about the DD on it just seems as STO has nuetered the DD.
Anyways we will get what we get and thats up to cryptic to either make the DD better or leave it as is i may be disappointed by the DD but thats life
See, my argument kind of ignores the shows/movies/etc...and goes with the simpler argument of what Cryptic has done with Battle Cruisers in STO. There's at least 3 Tac Consoles. There might be more, but there's not less. Having a 2 Tac Console Battle Cruiser - takes the "Battle" part out of it.
We can all argue different things from the shows until we're green in the face...it's much simpler to say, "Hey, Cryptic Guyz! Lookie-lookie, you're doing 3+ Tac Console Battle Cruisers...what's up with the Double Dee, guys?"
It's kind of the same angle used for making the Eng En on the Gal a Uni...point to what Cryptic has done...not what happened in one show that might have been contradicted in another. Yep, point to Cryptic's own body of work.
See, my argument kind of ignores the shows/movies/etc...and goes with the simpler argument of what Cryptic has done with Battle Cruisers in STO. There's at least 3 Tac Consoles. There might be more, but there's not less. Having a 2 Tac Console Battle Cruiser - takes the "Battle" part out of it.
We can all argue different things from the shows until we're green in the face...it's much simpler to say, "Hey, Cryptic Guyz! Lookie-lookie, you're doing 3+ Tac Console Battle Cruisers...what's up with the Double Dee, guys?"
It's kind of the same angle used for making the Eng En on the Gal a Uni...point to what Cryptic has done...not what happened in one show that might have been contradicted in another. Yep, point to Cryptic's own body of work.
You make a great point one i cannot argue with i would just like to find out from cryptic whether the D will be improved or not.
It is kinda obvious this is probably a done deal with the DD since this is
Star Trek Online : Escorts Battle Simulator
And cruisers in any form get no love lol
I would just like cryptic to say something on this so we can all just move on and deal with what were getting.
Anyway, when people ask for more tactical consoles, they ask for more energy type dmg consoles. That should give Cryptic a clear message - the other tactical consoles suck.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Anyway, when people ask for more tactical consoles, they ask for more energy type dmg consoles. That should give Cryptic a clear message - the other tactical consoles suck.
Something that does bother me on another level, is something that I noticed long before LoR was even mentioned - before S7 - etc, etc, etc. That is in regard to the NPC vessels...have you noticed how fast a NPC D'deridex will pop compared to a NPC Mogai? I think the best current example exists on Tribble in the Revelation mission. Pop that Mogai in the first encounter, heck even pop the two T'varo in the second encounter, and then pop the D'deridex in the third... that D'deridex just gets vaporized. Even the T'varo last longer than it does...is this something that's influencing the design on the player D'deridex?
I went ingame for a few minutes and was digging around the ship requisition menu and ...facepalmed
Its right there infront of our eyes the DD retrofit everything the DD should be is in the retrofit so the DD freebie is just a teaser for the retrofit we can buy with zen....i shouldve seen that coming a mile away.
I went ingame for a few minutes and was digging around the ship requisition menu and ...facepalmed
Its right there infront of our eyes the DD retrofit everything the DD should be is in the retrofit so the DD freebie is just a teaser for the retrofit we can buy with zen....i shouldve seen that coming a mile away.
Everything's WIP, subject to change, subject to placeholder text miscommunication...but this is what I see on Tribble at the vendor:
The warbirds that destroyed the enterprise wouldn't have been D'deridex, otherwise, when it showed up all menacingly in front of the enterprise D to be all "that's right, picard, the romulans are back!" the whole crew would have had to try their best to contain their laughter, even data without his emotion chip would have been thrown into fits of uncontrollable laughter at the thought of a ship from the ambassador era threatening the enterprise D.
Who knows? After, the Enterprise-C never really reported back about what they fought, since they got blown to bits and everyone except Tasha died.
Anyway, when people ask for more tactical consoles, they ask for more energy type dmg consoles. That should give Cryptic a clear message - the other tactical consoles suck.
I'm not sure you understand what a focused torpedo build could realistically do with those consoles.
Ye it was in the morning and I didn't have my cofee, so didn't think about transphasics just my beloved photon spam.
But my point stands, when players demand more tac console slots, they actually demand more energy weapon type consoles, because they are the only overall worth it, except for some niche builds like transphasic brel spammer.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Ye it was in the morning and I didn't have my cofee, so didn't think about transphasics just my beloved photon spam.
I was actually thinking specifically of the dual photon conga-line. With purple PWOs, lowering the torp GCD would yield an insane DPS increase, since the only limiting factor to photon fire is the current T-GCD.
But my point stands, when players demand more tac console slots, they actually demand more energy weapon type consoles, because they are the only overall worth it, except for some niche builds like transphasic brel spammer.
Won't argue with that, but I suspect any kind of "advanced" tac console is going to come with a fleet holding, as opposed to a basic console improvement.
Well, torpedoes should be a dreadful weapon. Not something that tickles your shields :P Anyway, I was just brainfarting values and ideas to make a point
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Well, torpedoes should be a dreadful weapon. Not something that tickles your shields :P Anyway, I was just brainfarting values and ideas to make a point
Eh, for the most part well built and flown torp ships are terrifying to watch. Pulling threat, while carrying two (or more) mk XII threat down consoles is far from unheard of on my Armitage.
I realize the PvP realm is a fundamentally different beast, but given the kind of destruction torpedoes can already do, there does need to be a mitigating factor of some sort.
I do not question that using double photons myself. I'm just saying if you sport a combined arms-aproach there is almost no brain-choice of which tac consoles to choose. Hence why I said, that the people saying 2 consoles sucks, gimme one more are basically saying..gimme one more energy type console.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
I do not question that using double photons myself. I'm just saying if you sport a combined arms-aproach there is almost no brain-choice of which tac consoles to choose. Hence why I said, that the people saying 2 consoles sucks, gimme one more are basically saying..gimme one more energy type console.
That word choice...combined arms...I prefer to point to them in the derogatory sense. Rainbow Builds. Although there is no rainbow, a person using Energy and Projectile is facing the same issue that somebody using two or more types of Energy faces: split Tac Consoles.
Goes beyond that, though - there's another discrepancy. All three Careers have their own way of boosting Energy damage (heh, not equal - didn't say equal)...but only two can boost Projectile damage. Then there's the number of abilities that boost Energy damage vs. Projectile...
Don't get me wrong, I love the complaints when somebody dies with full shields - their precious shields that they invested so much time in keeping up while ignoring their hull - I love that... but it doesn't change the disconnect that exists, eh?
So... the new patch changed nothing about the D'Deridex, BUT nerfed the Ha'apax with the exact same BOFF layout. Well, the Ha'apax still has 1 tac console more and better hull. I'm expect the D'D to get some changes, but I fear the nerfbat will hit hard (lt.tac replaced with a lt.eng ).
Well they just changed practically every Romulan ship except the D'deridex.
This could mean 2 things:
- They are thinking really hard about how to change it but didn't come to a conclusion yet and don't want to ruffle any feathers again by posting something half-assed prematurely.
OR
- Their way of giving us a giant middle finger after this and similiar threads.
Feel free to decide for yourself which is the more likely, but at the very least I can't think of a third possibility.
Well they just changed practically every Romulan ship except the D'deridex.
This could mean 2 things:
- They are thinking really hard about how to change it but didn't come to a conclusion yet and don't want to ruffle any feathers again by posting something half-assed prematurely.
OR
- Their way of giving us a giant middle finger after this and similiar threads.
Feel free to decide for yourself which is the more likely, but at the very least I can't think of a third possibility.
Personally, considering how much of the later ships were obviously copy/paste jobs and all but placeholder material - I think many of the changes were probably just the results of internal discussions that were ongoing. It's not so much that things were changed as they simply didn't exist quite yet.
In regard to the D'deridex - there has been an enormous amount of feedback regarding that...so it's going to take them time to consider what their options are in addressing it (which could mean not addressing it in the favor of those that want it a certain way).
Still, as has been discussed in a few threads and channels - consider the D'deridex vs. Ha'apax, eh?
LCdr Sci, Lt Uni vs. Lt Sci, LCdr Uni
2 Tac/5 Eng/3 Sci vs. 3 Tac/4 Eng/3 Sci
44550 hull vs. 44000 hull
1.1 shield mod vs. 1.15 shield mod
Visual Appearance
Projected Singularity vs. Haakona Separation (potential - requires purchase of other ships)
Both could run Lt/En, Cmdr, LCdr/Lt - the D'd has +550 hull while the Ha' has +0.05 shield mod - and then there's the consoles with the D'd having -1 Tac and +1 Eng.
I have to agree with the person that said in one of the threads about the Ha'apax should have the 5 Eng consoles...the loss of the Tac console could be made up if the person chose to pick up the Haakona Separation console and fly the escort module, eh?
But still, the ships are just so close...one has to wonder if there aren't changes to the D'deridex coming, no?
Well they just changed practically every Romulan ship except the D'deridex.
This could mean 2 things:
- They are thinking really hard about how to change it but didn't come to a conclusion yet and don't want to ruffle any feathers again by posting something half-assed prematurely.
OR
- Their way of giving us a giant middle finger after this and similiar threads.
Feel free to decide for yourself which is the more likely, but at the very least I can't think of a third possibility.
I'm going with the former over the latter. If you look at all the feedback given, MOST of it was centered on the D'Deridex. I'm betting that prompted them to take more time with it.
Added Note: Also, while I myself have been extremely critical of Cryptic's development decisions in the past, I really don't get the feeling that anything in this Legacy of Romulus expansion is designed to give a middle finger to the playerbase. I'm usually one of the first to call BS on PR Spin and hype. But this expansion thus far has really been aimed at giving the players something big, new and fun. I really don't get the feeling that there's any desire from people to frustrate the players with the decisions being made.
To put it more specifically ... I felt sometimes in the past comments from say Gozer, led me to believe that there was an attitude of "this is how we're doing it and if the players don't like it, that's their problem" ... while in this whole LOR time period, even though I feel some decisions are a little odd (the EPtX stuff, the recent changes to the Mogai making it a ship I'm not that interested in myself) ... I still get the feeling that those making these calls and those posting about this stuff are genuinely interested in putting out a product that the players want.
It's just got a different feel to me.
So I'm not ready to give in to the pessimism that they want the D'Deridex to be a big middle finger to Romulan fans.
So I'm going with ... they're still trying to figure out what kind of changes to make after reading the MOUNTAIN of feedback given.
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and ya, we are aware its not real, so what. this is a thread about how the ship should be in game, and we would like it to be more canon accurate then not. the ha'apax has what the d'deridex should have, simple as that. they should swap, and the d'deridex should get a turn rate better then 5, and then i'll frigging buy the legacy pack.
*edit- i should add the example that 1 ups even that, in the ds9 episode Visionary, a d'deridex single handedly destroyed DS9 with a decloak alpha strike. thats what this ship is, thats what it excels at. striking hard and destroying a fow in a single volley. they dont do well tanking and exposed, and they fared poorly in DS9 fleet battles. leave it to cryptic to give it a ton of hitpoints and no turn rate with crappy tac stations.
The thing is the DD even in canon did not turn worth a snot its a big slow turning behemoth that uses its cloak as part of its arsenal to catch an opponent by suprise usually the first attack by a DD is fatal.
Now then the DDs weapons slots are ok for its tier what irks me is that it should be the exact opposite of a galaxy class.
The galaxy class is an engineer minded science ship TNG it was the freaking love boat....IN SPACE!! lol
And a BoP destroyed it with realitive ease considering its size
The DD should be a tac ship an agressive warbird built for battle the exact opposite of a galaxy class.
To go further the DD was actually made to destroy the galaxy class it was the romulans answer for the galaxy class.
So as it is ingame it is nothing of what the DD is in canon all it has is the look of a DD and thats it
There is literally not a single battle scene in the series where this is shown to be true. Not one.
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Member of Alliance Central Command/boq botlhra'ghom
D'D was retrofitted after TNG/DS9 into an engineering/exploration cruiser.
It'll be explained in the new The Path to 2409 volumes.
There are novels about the DDs slow turn i forgot which book but the turn rate was exploited by a federation cruiser so that is what im basing the turn rate on.
However, the D'deridex was also sent to make first contact with Tin Man in that episode...if folks want to play the Canon game - it's easy enough to do. The D'deridex would be exactly like the Galaxy...only, half as good. They sent two D'deridex to do the same mission that a single Galaxy was sent to do...
....ooooooh, ahhhhhh, bazinga!
But but but.......they had picard and...earl grey tea :eek:
Im only going with what ive seen on TV or read in books to base my posts about the DD on it just seems as STO has nuetered the DD.
Anyways we will get what we get and thats up to cryptic to either make the DD better or leave it as is i may be disappointed by the DD but thats life
the galaxy wasn't a loveboat, well the D was, but it also had by far the most powerful weapons any federation ship had in all of canon, and is a match for a d'deridex in a strait fight. theres several examples of it being a powerhouse in combat, but sadly most of the time it gets plot railroaded into embarrassing defeat. its shown fire power that if it had used in all the times it got bested, it would have easily won.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOXT22Ghouw&t=1m48s the d'deridex turns just fine. other then that, theres not much of any evidence ether way that it turns poorly or not
Im only going with what ive seen and read about the DD on either TV or trek books and since there isnt to much to go with it is understandable that what is known is limited.
If it wont be improved then we can all move on and deal with what we got
See, my argument kind of ignores the shows/movies/etc...and goes with the simpler argument of what Cryptic has done with Battle Cruisers in STO. There's at least 3 Tac Consoles. There might be more, but there's not less. Having a 2 Tac Console Battle Cruiser - takes the "Battle" part out of it.
We can all argue different things from the shows until we're green in the face...it's much simpler to say, "Hey, Cryptic Guyz! Lookie-lookie, you're doing 3+ Tac Console Battle Cruisers...what's up with the Double Dee, guys?"
It's kind of the same angle used for making the Eng En on the Gal a Uni...point to what Cryptic has done...not what happened in one show that might have been contradicted in another. Yep, point to Cryptic's own body of work.
You make a great point one i cannot argue with i would just like to find out from cryptic whether the D will be improved or not.
It is kinda obvious this is probably a done deal with the DD since this is
Star Trek Online : Escorts Battle Simulator
And cruisers in any form get no love lol
I would just like cryptic to say something on this so we can all just move on and deal with what were getting.
Beam console - reduce drain
Cannon console - reduce drain
torpedo console - reduce shared cooldown
torpedo dmg type console - increase dmg by 100%
Dear cryptic ...what he said ^^^^^^
I second that. Great idea.
Its right there infront of our eyes the DD retrofit everything the DD should be is in the retrofit so the DD freebie is just a teaser for the retrofit we can buy with zen....i shouldve seen that coming a mile away.
Everything's WIP, subject to change, subject to placeholder text miscommunication...but this is what I see on Tribble at the vendor:
T4 D'deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser
Lt, Cmdr/Lt, Lt
2, 3, 2
T4 D'ridthau Warbird Battle Cruiser
Lt, Cmdr, Lt, Lt
3, 4, 2
T5 D'deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser Retrofit
Lt/En, Cmdr, LCdr, Lt
2, 4, 3
T5 Fleet D'deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser Retrofit
Lt/En, Cmdr, LCdr, Lt
2, 5, 3
So while the D'ridthau (D'deridex Refit) does have the 3rd Tac Console...that doesn't exist in the T5 Retro or T5 Fleet Retro...
...it's kind of along the lines of my wondering if there was going to be a Fleet "Assault" variant. Perhaps a Fleet D'ridthau, eh?
So uh... how about a Fleet D'ridthau then...
T5 Fleet D'ridthau Warbird Battle Cruiser Refit
LCdr/En, Cmdr, Lt, Lt
4, 4, 2
Fleet Regent Consoles...and a Uni Lt instead of an Eng Lt...
I'm not sure you understand what a focused torpedo build could realistically do with those consoles.
Ye it was in the morning and I didn't have my cofee, so didn't think about transphasics
But my point stands, when players demand more tac console slots, they actually demand more energy weapon type consoles, because they are the only overall worth it, except for some niche builds like transphasic brel spammer.
I was actually thinking specifically of the dual photon conga-line. With purple PWOs, lowering the torp GCD would yield an insane DPS increase, since the only limiting factor to photon fire is the current T-GCD.
5-15k base hits every 1 second? Every .5 seconds?
Won't argue with that, but I suspect any kind of "advanced" tac console is going to come with a fleet holding, as opposed to a basic console improvement.
Eh, for the most part well built and flown torp ships are terrifying to watch. Pulling threat, while carrying two (or more) mk XII threat down consoles is far from unheard of on my Armitage.
I realize the PvP realm is a fundamentally different beast, but given the kind of destruction torpedoes can already do, there does need to be a mitigating factor of some sort.
That word choice...combined arms...I prefer to point to them in the derogatory sense. Rainbow Builds. Although there is no rainbow, a person using Energy and Projectile is facing the same issue that somebody using two or more types of Energy faces: split Tac Consoles.
Goes beyond that, though - there's another discrepancy. All three Careers have their own way of boosting Energy damage (heh, not equal - didn't say equal)...but only two can boost Projectile damage. Then there's the number of abilities that boost Energy damage vs. Projectile...
Don't get me wrong, I love the complaints when somebody dies with full shields - their precious shields that they invested so much time in keeping up while ignoring their hull - I love that... but it doesn't change the disconnect that exists, eh?
This could mean 2 things:
- They are thinking really hard about how to change it but didn't come to a conclusion yet and don't want to ruffle any feathers again by posting something half-assed prematurely.
OR
- Their way of giving us a giant middle finger after this and similiar threads.
Feel free to decide for yourself which is the more likely, but at the very least I can't think of a third possibility.
Personally, considering how much of the later ships were obviously copy/paste jobs and all but placeholder material - I think many of the changes were probably just the results of internal discussions that were ongoing. It's not so much that things were changed as they simply didn't exist quite yet.
In regard to the D'deridex - there has been an enormous amount of feedback regarding that...so it's going to take them time to consider what their options are in addressing it (which could mean not addressing it in the favor of those that want it a certain way).
Still, as has been discussed in a few threads and channels - consider the D'deridex vs. Ha'apax, eh?
LCdr Sci, Lt Uni vs. Lt Sci, LCdr Uni
2 Tac/5 Eng/3 Sci vs. 3 Tac/4 Eng/3 Sci
44550 hull vs. 44000 hull
1.1 shield mod vs. 1.15 shield mod
Visual Appearance
Projected Singularity vs. Haakona Separation (potential - requires purchase of other ships)
Both could run Lt/En, Cmdr, LCdr/Lt - the D'd has +550 hull while the Ha' has +0.05 shield mod - and then there's the consoles with the D'd having -1 Tac and +1 Eng.
I have to agree with the person that said in one of the threads about the Ha'apax should have the 5 Eng consoles...the loss of the Tac console could be made up if the person chose to pick up the Haakona Separation console and fly the escort module, eh?
But still, the ships are just so close...one has to wonder if there aren't changes to the D'deridex coming, no?
I'm going with the former over the latter. If you look at all the feedback given, MOST of it was centered on the D'Deridex. I'm betting that prompted them to take more time with it.
Added Note: Also, while I myself have been extremely critical of Cryptic's development decisions in the past, I really don't get the feeling that anything in this Legacy of Romulus expansion is designed to give a middle finger to the playerbase. I'm usually one of the first to call BS on PR Spin and hype. But this expansion thus far has really been aimed at giving the players something big, new and fun. I really don't get the feeling that there's any desire from people to frustrate the players with the decisions being made.
To put it more specifically ... I felt sometimes in the past comments from say Gozer, led me to believe that there was an attitude of "this is how we're doing it and if the players don't like it, that's their problem" ... while in this whole LOR time period, even though I feel some decisions are a little odd (the EPtX stuff, the recent changes to the Mogai making it a ship I'm not that interested in myself) ... I still get the feeling that those making these calls and those posting about this stuff are genuinely interested in putting out a product that the players want.
It's just got a different feel to me.
So I'm not ready to give in to the pessimism that they want the D'Deridex to be a big middle finger to Romulan fans.
So I'm going with ... they're still trying to figure out what kind of changes to make after reading the MOUNTAIN of feedback given.