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jtoon74
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I read somewhere the other day that Disney are going to let him loose on Star Wars, whilst it will be hard to make a worse mess than Lucas did with the whole prequel thing, I'm sure he'll have a good.
(Disclaimer)Whilst I do realise people will think hes talented and did't get on just becasue of his connection to Steven Spielberg. I am hopeing that the information is wrong linking him to SW.
(Disclaimer)Whilst I do realise people will think hes talented and did't get on just becasue of his connection to Steven Spielberg. I am hopeing that the information is wrong linking him to SW.
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Plus the age differences between all those people on the bridge crew was a lot more than that. It was just too action packed without a well thoughtout storyline. So yeah he's gonna ruin the star wars movie
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I completely agree with this.
I think JJ did ok with Star Trek. There are things he did that I did like and some that I did not like (ship size). I think he will excel with Star Wars.
He may not get a lot of trek, but he understood the whole kirk spock mcoy thing and made it work. The biggest gripe I have with the movie is the lens flare and rapid fire weapons are hard on the eyes. epileptic siezures anyone? Also it would have been nice to have a more cerebral villian in a trek movie for once. considering what was being done to tng in the movies he has saved trek for now.
As far as SW who really wants to see a 70 year old Han solo? or a kid Han solo? They need to do something different or use special effects to make the actors young again.
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also I suggest you watch the Plinkett review (who hasnt seen it yet anyway?) of Star Trek. it pretty much states that JJ Trek is what Star Wars was. an action adventure, not a sci-fi.
altho I would love if JJ did the exact same thing what he did with star trek. turning a sci fi into an action adventure, and now he would make star wars into a hardcore sci fi with strong questions about life and everything scientific in a slower paced movie ^^
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I do believe JJ is more suitable to the Starwars universe than the Trek universe. Starwars has always been about galactic conflict, which fits right up his alley. Star Trek is more focused on morality and how the humans of the future hang on to their ideals even in the direst of situations, putting that in a movie in a sensible way is simply not JJ's strongpoint.
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I shuddered at the thought of those teeth on Han Solo
Yeah I always took TOS to be an actiony space adventure that might have some morality in it, but not necessarily, but could branch out into comedy, and occasional horror at times that had people that while some what and improvement on people today (as in mostly gotten over their differences enough to work together) are still recognizable people with flaws.
So I'm not really seeing how some people are saying this movie isn't a Star Trek movie.
I haven't but I don't need to know JJ Abrams copied several scenes from the starwars films, and that he wanted to turn trek into starwars.
LOL if he does that imagine the rage most starwars fan would have casual and the hardcore ones...
Also to above its the bad plot first, secound how much of tos did you watch becuase there were many morality and philosophical concepts in TOS, it may not be blatantly obvious as tng were there is less fighting. But TOS showed you could have both action and that kind of story telling, which the jj movie did not,with its flat unbelievable villain.
Horror? what horror? well sure at the time it had horror... Nichelle having to kiss Shatner... oy the horror!
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it certainly was not perfect, but a lot of Trek is viewed through some very rose tinted glasses at times, and much of it falls under the same criticism.
Also, I believe the complaints of the movie being "too much action" primarily come from those who grew up with TNG, where Picard would always talk every problem to death before actually doing anything about it. They don't have the visceral connection to Kirk and his gunboat-diplomacy approach ("we're not here to shoot everything in sight - but that doesn't mean we won't"). In "A Taste of Armageddon", Jean-Luc would never have destroyed the computers carrying on the simulated war - he would have just talked to both sides until they gave in to his position. Heck, look at how they handled similar situations, in "That Which Survives" and "The Last Outpost".
When the lonely supercomputer guarding the alien outpost attacked several crewmembers of the Enterprise and threatened to kill Kirk, they responded by phasering the defensive systems into oblivion.
When the lonely supercomputer guarding the alien outpost attacked the Enterprise-D and a Ferengi ship, Picard negotiated the computer into submission.
As you can see, different captains mean different approaches (lampshaded when Q first came to DS9 - "You hit me! Picard would never have hit me!" "I'm not Picard."). And trying to claim Abrams "ruined Trek forever" because he made a movie more reminiscent of TOS than TNG seems like a bit of an IDIC fail.
Most of the criticism that I have for the 2009 movie (which I didn't think was terrible, I'd rank it between Generations and Star Trek VI in the middle of the pack as Trek movies go) was that JJ was bringing in a lot of elements of Star Wars. He's also admitted that he's never been a huge Trek fan. So my assumption has always been that he'd really rather be doing Star Wars anyway. That said, I think he'll do Star Wars pretty well.
In terms of Star Wars elements in his Trek, first and foremost, he changed the whole dynamic of the cast. In TOS, the crew of the Enterprise were all adult professionals. Kirk, in his 30's, was the youngest Constitution class Captain in the fleet. They were essentially military professionals serving on a ship which had had at least two previous crews, and they had no reason to suspect that they would be its last. In JJ Trek, they're a group of young rebels against the system. And that's not just in the first movie, that theme continues in the second one. But a group of young rebels against the galactic government is exactly what Star Wars was about. There are also a lot of smaller things, like Nero flying what around in a giant planet destroying ship. Giving Kirk daddy issues. Scotty's sidekick. Elements more at home in the Star Wars universe than the Trek universe.
I think you're buying into a Kirk stereotype. I mean, come on, how many supercomputers did Kirk literally talk to death over the course of only three seasons? 4? 5? Kirk wasn't Janeway (who triggered the self-destruct sequence at least once an episode). He was perfectly happy to talk his way out of most situations (ala the 'Corbomite Maneuver').
TOS Kirk, real Kirk, was a much more complex character than the fist-fighting, womanizing, shoot-first and ask questions later portrayal he tends to get from folks with muddy recollections of the actual show. He wasn't Han Solo.
He didn't blow up his ship the way Janeway did, because the Constitution-class, unlike Janeway's Intrepid-class, didn't have a Magic Reset Button that would erase any mistakes they'd made that episode...
TOS, the Federation is at war and has many enemies.
TNG - The Federation is tired of war and has managed to make peace with everyone and has a cold war with the Romulans. The crew knows how to fight, but are tired of it.
DS9 - The Federation is at war with the Borg so we start to see officers training for fighting and defence of the Federation. It's a new generation where the older soldiers fought in the last war (against Cardassia) and a new generation rising who has never fought with the exception of Kira. I count O'Brian and Sisko as the older soldiers. You see this newbish attitude change as characters die or are seriously tramaised in the wars fought on DS9.
Voyager - They got nothing left to lose except their morals and values. So they cling to that while hoping to get home. They're not going to let anyone steal their technology. They know the odds of them getting home is slim, so if they're backed into a corner, they will keep to the Prime Directive value of not letting technology fall into the hands of younger species.
BTW, TOS was action oriented, but had stories from some of the great sci-fi writers, like Harlan Ellison.
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And I can name a thousand things in canon Trek that make no sense. It's pointless to cherry-pick, IMO.
And there's a huge difference between action-orientated TV and action-orientated movies. That's like saying Enterprise has the same amount of action in it as Nemesis.
Enterprise was the flagship of the fleet, no cadet or recent graduate, no matter what, would be given command of the most powerful ship the Federation has.