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flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
By now, everyone should know that the Romulans are coming in May; in the form of the Romulan Republic. It's no secret that a fair number of people were hoping to play as the Romulan Empire rather than a bunch of supposed peaceful folk; it's also no secret that a fair number of people aren't overly happy with (when playing a Romulan) needing to join the Federation or Klingon factions.

Unfortunately for those people (myself included) that is now set in stone, there's no point complaining about it, as it isn't going to change. Too much time and too many resources have no doubt gone in to making the Republic style Romulans to realistically think that Cryptic would start over for what I'd think is 50% of the community.

What I'd like to discuss here though is the idea of an expansion in which Romulan players are given the option to Defect. We all start off as Romulan civilians as it is, and we then choose to join D'Tan and the Federation / Klingons. I don't think it would be too farfetched an idea to allow your chosen character to defect to the Romulan Empire at a later date.

In doing so, you'd be defecting against D'Tan and your chosen alliance, and would be reverting back to your routes. This wouldn't be mandatory, it would be optional. There should be a point within the leveling system in which, deciding on your path, you get unique missions; and as it currently is, once you've chosen a path, you've got to stick with it (as such would be brought in at a later date anyway, existing characters should get a one-time allegiance switch if they so choose).

Just an idea that might please hardcore Sela followers. :) Cryptic would get to keep the D'Tan story, and players that choose it would get to keep their FED/KDF alliance in tact. Worthy of thought, or not so much?
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  • theonerussian762theonerussian762 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Interesting, I like it, there could 8e some sort of optional quest.
  • brigadooombrigadooom Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    It could be done as an 'episode pack' on the C Store, with a bunch of missions over the course of which you'd defect. Any prior Rep System skill gains could be kept (they're skills/abilities learned, rather than things rented, right?) and a Tal Shiar version of the Rep stores could keep your access to those goods (spies, Ferengi being paid off, shipments intercepted..). New set visuals though :P

    Could be a mini-faction. If only :(
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    then no STF, no access to Academy, no access to PVP, no access to fleet bases, no access to pretty much anything endgame.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    then no STF
    Why would this require you to not have STFs?
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    no access to Academy
    You'd have a Romulan version of an Academy.[/quote]
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    no access to PVP
    I would hope that at some point down the line, Cryptic would open up three-way PvP.
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    no access to fleet bases
    I'd hope to eventually have Romulan Fleets (once all the FED/KDF fleets are complete, which will be within the next 6-12 months for most everyone will need something new to throw their resources at.
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    no access to pretty much anything endgame.
    Again, you'd have unique Romulan items.
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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    DStahl already talked about this.

    he said they are going to give us some other Fleet Holding which would be completely "Romulan".

    imho it would be tied with the incoming "fleet cooperation" stuff which Cryptic's people are talking about.

    after the initial dissapointment im ok with how they solved the issue, and i would strongly advise AGAINST any special Romulan fleet holding, instead, give fleets a new project

    the ROMULAN REDESIGN of the SB for fleets which are official Romulan fleets (this would be either a choice or would need 50+% Romulan Faction toons in the fleet)

    this project could be very expensive, i think of 1 million Dill for existing fleets.


    i know my fleet would do this.

    edit:

    OP, how do you imagine the queues to work? if you play KDF now - you know more than a half of them does not start AT ALL!

    your idea would be VERY appreciated IF they made ALL The PVE/ PVP content available "cross-faction", but that would be a simple and effective solution, which MANY people have suggested here and there still has been NO reaction from Cryptic, so i suppose it is out of the question for some unknown CBS reason.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    to realistically think that Cryptic would start over for what I'd think is 50% of the community.

    More like 18% if you want to use Cryptic metrics.
    What I'd like to discuss here though is the idea of an expansion in which Romulan players are given the option to Defect.

    In three to five years from now, I think it will be time to consider other factions besides Romulans. Prior to that? Well I mean, there's just far too many things higher on the development team's priority list. And really, minority factions don't rate much in terms of resource allocation.

    not so much?

    Not so much. Your idea seems to ignore the reality that is cryptic video game development.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    SNIP for lenght. :)

    Sooo.....another Romulan faction. Technically two Romulan factions .Let me see....uhm....nope!
    In the future after LoR is released, Cryptic should focus their efforts to developing game content and stabilizing the game for the existing 3 factions. And bug fixes. I don't want to see any new factions, mini-factions or half-assed factions untill the Romulan Republic is developed enough to cut it's umbilical cord from Starfleet and the KDF and stand on their own with more diverse ship rooster, their academy, Romulan starbases and such. Only when we have the 3 factions made equal by all standards, no matter how much time it takes, then we should discuss new factions/mini factions. And even then it shouldn't be another Romulan faction, but a Cardassian one.

    I know it's hard to do this, but die-hard Romulan fans will have to suck it up and deal with the situation that was served. I know that most people expected RSE, so did I to be honest, but it is what it is. IMHO, there shouldn't be another Romulan faction that will be RSE to appease Sela fans. If that is the case, then I want another Federation faction that doesn't kill everyone at sight or slaughter civilian personel, cause that is not Starfleet I expected when I joined the game.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    By now, everyone should know that the Romulans are coming in May; in the form of the Romulan Republic. It's no secret that a fair number of people were hoping to play as the Romulan Empire rather than a bunch of supposed peaceful folk; it's also no secret that a fair number of people aren't overly happy with (when playing a Romulan) needing to join the Federation or Klingon factions.

    Unfortunately for those people (myself included) that is now set in stone, there's no point complaining about it, as it isn't going to change. Too much time and too many resources have no doubt gone in to making the Republic style Romulans to realistically think that Cryptic would start over for what I'd think is 50% of the community.

    What I'd like to discuss here though is the idea of an expansion in which Romulan players are given the option to Defect. We all start off as Romulan civilians as it is, and we then choose to join D'Tan and the Federation / Klingons. I don't think it would be too farfetched an idea to allow your chosen character to defect to the Romulan Empire at a later date.

    In doing so, you'd be defecting against D'Tan and your chosen alliance, and would be reverting back to your routes. This wouldn't be mandatory, it would be optional. There should be a point within the leveling system in which, deciding on your path, you get unique missions; and as it currently is, once you've chosen a path, you've got to stick with it (as such would be brought in at a later date anyway, existing characters should get a one-time allegiance switch if they so choose).

    Just an idea that might please hardcore Sela followers. :) Cryptic would get to keep the D'Tan story, and players that choose it would get to keep their FED/KDF alliance in tact. Worthy of thought, or not so much?

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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    What I don't understand is that people refuse to take note of the fact that cryptic has on more than one occasion indicated that the romulans at some point will grow into a faction with their own fleets.

    The way romulans will be shaped in the beginning is not how they will look forever... It will just be a step on the roade to becoming great again.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    anazonda wrote: »
    What I don't understand is that people refuse to take note of the fact that cryptic has on more than one occasion indicated that the romulans at some point will grow into a faction with their own fleets.

    The way romulans will be shaped in the beginning is not how they will look forever... It will just be a step on the roade to becoming great again.

    not going to happen. sry.

    listen to the last DStahl interview.

    own fleets - yes. but allied with KDF/FED. why? because of the queues. because for some not explained reasons they are not able to make all the PVE group content accessible to all factions in a big "cross faction" queue.

    also, they are filling the gaps in ships and tech with the existing ally's equipment.

    perhaps there will be more toys for Romulans incoming, Romulans have many fans here with full Credit Cards.

    but then, how will that look for Cardies, Ferengi, Dominion.. they just do not have the resources for that kind of development and the "ally" system is the only logical development.

    perhaps, in time, with more "factions" incoming, they will RENAME the existing KDF/UFP to mirror the changes.

    perhaps, KDF's HQ will not be on Q'onos anymore, and will not be so RED as it is now, or we'll at least see some Romulans in the halls. Would add a nice touch.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    anazonda wrote: »
    What I don't understand is that people refuse to take note of the fact that cryptic has on more than one occasion indicated that the romulans at some point will grow into a faction with their own fleets.

    The way romulans will be shaped in the beginning is not how they will look forever... It will just be a step on the roade to becoming great again.

    All that stuff will be listed as coming soon.

    Those of us who've played the game for three years see Cryptic say that, and acknowledge what that actually means.

    Why are you taking a different meaning from that? Or rather, why do you believe what they're saying will happen sooner than another three years from May, 2013?
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  • diotwdiotw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The Romulan character I'm planning is going to be something of an unwilling partner with D'Tan and his followers. Their backstory is that they served in the Imperial Fleet, but after discovering what Hakeev and his Tal Shiar were doing, resigned their commission. This is how they find themselves working security on a farming colony at the start of the story. Out of character, I'm hoping to get in with one of the Imperial Romulan player fleets with this character, who I intend to ally with the Feds.

    I think Cryptic probably has noticed that there's a lot of people who want to play Imperial Romulans, but since the factions are set I think they may go a different route - an Imperial Lockbox perhaps? Where instead of Romulan Mirror Universe ships you get Imperial versions of the Romulan Warbirds (different BOFF seating, maybe more tactical emphasis) that come with an I.R.W. prefix, just like the Mirror Universe Terran ships get I.S.S.
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  • romulanwayromulanway Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I am huge Romulans fan ,waiting for playable Romulan Star Empire Faction 3 years,now I am got playable romulan species on KDF / Fed side ... No thanks I am not going to play as romulan in mix green-blue/green-red colors

    Rest in Peace Romulan Star Empire....fck the rom.....reman republic


    Please stop that TRIBBLE call ,,faction,, it is fake

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lHgbbM9pu4&feature=share&list=FLd9smjOGUbInnkBtnRvnQEg
    LoR should to be about rebuilding Romulan Star Empire,liberating Donatra from borg collective ,confronting Sela & madness of Tal Shiar,claiming Vulcan as new romulan homeworld...
  • eisenw0lfeisenw0lf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    diotw wrote: »
    I think Cryptic probably has noticed that there's a lot of people who want to play Imperial Romulans, but since the factions are set I think they may go a different route - an Imperial Lockbox perhaps? Where instead of Romulan Mirror Universe ships you get Imperial versions of the Romulan Warbirds (different BOFF seating, maybe more tactical emphasis) that come with an I.R.W. prefix, just like the Mirror Universe Terran ships get I.S.S.

    On tribble the I.R.W. prefix is already available for Romulan warbirds. It gets unlucked during the story arc, together with a 'Tal Shiar' uniform (it's actually the standard Imperial Uniform from Nemesis and not a specific Tal Shiar one).
  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    eisenw0lf wrote: »
    On tribble the I.R.W. prefix is already available for Romulan warbirds. It gets unlucked during the story arc, together with a 'Tal Shiar' uniform (it's actually the standard Imperial Uniform from Nemesis and not a specific Tal Shiar one).

    Actually Warbirds can have the IRW from the beginning or close to it anyways. Usually after I get to the Flotilla I change the prefix to IRW from RRW. I haven't actually tried changing it in the Tutorial, but I suppose since it is part of the name change and not a "Costumization" it is possible.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    They didnt see enough ROI for 3 real factions with the main release, they sure wont see it for an add-on. Unless it is in name-only.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You can actually play as a loyal Tal Shiar officer by playing as a double agent within the Romulan Republic. Empress Sela personally congratulates you for completing a certain task. The main problem with being a Tal Shiar agent is that Hakeev is in control and they are more interested in his own welfare than the Romulan people. If Hakeev can gets what he wants by shoving you through an airlock or turn you into a mindless drone, then he will. However an actual Romulan Star Empire faction would require having 3 factions instead of 2 and for whatever reason the devs have decided against it.

    This faction would be prevented from doing the current reputation content so no helping the New Romulus colonists and no access to Borg STFs since it is the Task Force Omega reputation which is only affiliated with the Klingon Empire and Starfleet. PvP would be possible.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I let Hakeev think he is in charge :P
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • erathielerathiel Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    I let Hakeev think he is in charge :P

    and shove him through an airlock, when he won't be needed anymore:D
  • admiralandyadmiralandy Member Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I think that the present setup for Romulans is selling them short.

    Feds and Klingons can join a fleet and get involved with things like Fleet Alert from LVL 5, not wait till LVL 10. So the ally concept is an interesting idea and maybe something to expand between some factions and not others, and maybe between same faction fleets.

    As a get them going I do think the present setup for Romulans is great and does fit with the present setup Cryptic have established. Its maybe the best they could do, its a lot being done in a short space of time.

    However it would be great to see a 'classic' Romulan Star Empire stretching forth there hand under the will of the Empress with Hirogen in place of Remans.

    Perhaps when Romulan Starbases are added in the future and I beleive there is still a region of Romulan space not open yet that could be used. We may see a Star Empire rather than Republic for characters to play in. I think most players wanted a 'classic' Star Empire with the extra Republic being something else to add.

    Perhaps Fed and Klingons should be limited to joining a fleet from lvl 10 to level the playing field in that regard.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I see the Romulan Star Empire as I see the True Way and Borg Collective. Every MMO needs enemies to fight and making them into playable factions degrades their main purpose. Endgame content seems to currently consist of cooperation with friendly rivalry for PvP. So all future playable factions will be based on does it makes sense for them to join up with other players from different factions to do an STF.

    I just don't see the Romulan Star Empire joining up with people from the Romulan Republic, the Federation, and the Klingon Empire to defeat the Borg attacking a Federation Starbase, but I can see Borg from the Borg Cooperative, Hugh's group, Unimatrix Zero, or whatever plan they have for a playable Borg faction doing that.
  • commandersalvekcommandersalvek Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I like the idea that its an option you can purchase-
    because its clear from podcasts and interviews the Romulan Republic is what the devs intend and its staying.

    Its harsh to accept as hardcore Romulan fan-but all the debate on here has led me to see that is not a horrible take on the Romulans after st2009 -They were given a mess to clean up and they made the effort.

    My captain/commander will be willing to shift allegiances if the Empire returned -not just the Tal Shiar.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The forums should get their own faction a Telelite only faction
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  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Unlikely, those defectors would need countless things the other factions have as well.

    Main social hub (Q'onos, Spacedock, Flotilla), uniforms, gear, etc.

    All for a side-faction of a few picky players?
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  • shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I personally would have liked to have seen the choice between D'Tan and Sela tied to the choice between Fed and KDF. Fed allied with D'Tan obviously, KDF with Sela. It would've played nicely into the whole Fed/KDF war and given it a reason to continue to exist. It may or may not have required completely separate episodes. The KDF has proven how you can take a mission for one faction, make minor text changes, and presto! A mission for the other faction (...). Anyway, the option to play sneaky, xenophobic Romulans would have been nice.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I personally would have liked to have seen the choice between D'Tan and Sela tied to the choice between Fed and KDF. Fed allied with D'Tan obviously, KDF with Sela. It would've played nicely into the whole Fed/KDF war and given it a reason to continue to exist. It may or may not have required completely separate episodes. The KDF has proven how you can take a mission for one faction, make minor text changes, and presto! A mission for the other faction (...). Anyway, the option to play sneaky, xenophobic Romulans would have been nice.


    No honorable Klingon would ally with Sela after she helped in the civil war.
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  • imadoctornotaimadoctornota Member Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    There'll be plenty of Romulan Star Empire and Tal Shiar content. In the foundry! It'll be epic stuff I'm sure.
    Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
    9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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  • astro2244astro2244 Member Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    No honorable Klingon would ally with Sela after she helped in the civil war.

    Well I guess that throws j'mpok and the duras house off the honorable klingon list since they have had dealings with sela and the rse
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  • gaalomgaalom Member Posts: 531 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I was reading info on the sto site over this awhile back, when they first announced the Romulan republic. If I could remember where I read it, I would post the link. The head dev did not say outright this was going to happen, but I got the impression that this Romulan republic is temporary. To be clear it was an impression not said, and nothing to quote from.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    astro2244 wrote: »
    Well I guess that throws j'mpok and the duras house off the honorable klingon list since they have had dealings with sela and the rse

    Exactly, I don't trust him or his house.
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