The new Enterprise has grown on me and this ship fits in that universe. The ships are slightly cartoony with guns that pop out and the good guys enterprise is all curvy and bright so the bad guy has a dark blocky design. It looks more evil than even imperial star destroyers from SW. It's the jj style of telling a story visually, without you having to do more than glance at it once you know its evil.
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Geez, wishing death upon someone is a bit harsh. Take a chill pill.
The Enterprise is graceful and curvy, representative of a time reserved for exploration and peace.
The Vengeance is a weapon. Designed for whatever Marcus has in plan. It's reactionary to the threats Starfleet has faced in this time period (Narada and Vulcan).
Let's be honest, the Defiant is an ugly son of a *****, but only because Sisko wanted guns strapped to engines surrounded by armor. This is no different.
It also screams JJ Excelsior in terms of size and overall shape. Notice the TMP features as well. From the Nacelles, Deflector, escape pods, and hull aztecing.
Forced to agree - sorry, this is my opinion only, but it looks like someone was told to make a big, evil, ship (because if it's evil it HAS to be big by default :rolleyes: ) but couldn't really be bothered and threw that scrapheap together.
Sorry, but I hate it and am SICK of the 'if it's evil it has to be big' cliche.
Geez, wishing death upon someone is a bit harsh. Take a chill pill.
Not wishing death, just really feeling the need to knock that smug satisfaction out of the SoB. What a total poseur he is standing there like that :mad: But yeah, time for my Soma...
The Vengeance is a weapon. Designed for whatever Marcus has in plan. It's reactionary to the threats Starfleet has faced in this time period (Narada and Vulcan).
Let's be honest, the Defiant is an ugly son of a *****, but only because Sisko wanted guns strapped to engines surrounded by armor. This is no different.
Oh but it is very different... The Defiant (ship design) was actually conceived as a freighter... The design was simply used when they needed 'something out of the ordinary' to make a badass warship, er, I mean Escort, yes, escort, Starfleet doesn't build warships... Even then, it has a flow to its design: It has curves and lines which work together and off of each other, rather than in opposition to each other. It looks practical and functional, but still with some redeeming aesthetics. The Vengeance has none... It's a chopped up Galaxy-Class saucer on a 'redneck armor' body... It just doesn't look good. Shadow vessels were evil, but they still had some elegance to the design. This doesn't. This is catering to an idiot audience who need to be told who the bad-guys are, rather than letting a decent plot do so...
This is what a war ship should be like I have always thought of JJ Trek as the MU or another MU rather than a new Timeline. Would love to see this ship in game but it would probably have a crappy turn rate and we wouldnt possibly get the license anyway
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Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
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[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Looks like the Kelvin / Kobayashi Maru simulator bridge.
The ship it's self is okay but the black colour is a bit over the top.
It's now my background
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
"The Vengeance is a weapon. Designed for whatever Marcus has in plan"
Yeah - and one can't help but wonder what their convoluted explaination will be for him having this ship in the first place. He stole it? BORING! He had it built? How? and who by? And it'll be 'interesting' to see how he managed to get a crew to operate it. Actually, no - that won't be interesting at all.
And if you like it, that's fine. I don't - some fanboy who (like JJ) studied at the University of No Talent and obsesses over the Death Star designed the Vengence. Laughably, the very name of ship reminds me of the STF's I've played in this game, although even then some of those ship names were more imaginative than this boring cliche. May as well have named the ship USS Angry". Or better still, USS Cliche. Which begs the question of why he is using 'USS' at all, since the big evil is supposedly so angry at Starfleet.
Though I guess that JJ and co don't care. All it really needs to be is a big ship (becase as I said earlier, big = evil) with big guns. And that is, literally, all it is. No imagination, no real thought put into it's design. It's just a flying gun, and that is a catastrophic BORE in my view.
You know, being cliche and 'boring' doesn't automatically make things bad you know...
And how is stealing a ship in ANY way boring? Kirk stole the Enterprise and that was exciting, even if it was his own ship. And considering this ship is an ultra-powerful ship designed to take on more threats like Nero (I'm assuming), it automatically assumes Harrison is at least semi-competent to have stolen it in the first place.
And who said you NEEDED imagination or thought put into the design? If the ship was built for battles, why would it need a pleasing/thoughtful/imaginative aesthetic? IMO, it doesn't need that
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
After Nero's armed-to-teeth oversized mining ship destroyed a lot of Federation ships, Starfleet decided to construct a tactical ship to fight against such threats.
The ship is beeing hijacked by this one guy, he kills the whole crew and shoots at the Enterprise. The Enterprise crashes on earth, but somehow a small crew enters Vengeance, starts the self-destruction countdown, kills the bad guy and are resuced by another ship before the Vengeance explodes.
Starfleet says that a tactical ship attracts to much bad guys because they don't have so much technic and personal to avoid a hijacking.
So they decide that the Federation will never have it's own battleship and they will conentrate on building more cruisers and science ships because there is no threat out there left in the universe.
Its only redeeming features are the wicked looking pods/sensor packages either side of the deflector, and the jagged appearance lending itself to a somewhat practically built beast. I hate it, but it looks better than the JJprise hero ship.
There seem to be a lot of people who have a visceral hatred for JJ Abrams, to the point that they are unable to contemplate anything associated with his name with anything like objectivity.
There seem to be a lot of people who have a visceral hatred for JJ Abrams, to the point that they are unable to contemplate anything associated with his name with anything like objectivity.
Just sayin'...
I'll say you're not alone in that view
And that it's sad, as it's against the whole point of trying to understand anything that's different (one of the main points of ST).
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I understand perfectly well that it is an ugly starship with a design which looks like it was done by a grade-schooler, designed for a film by a man riding on the coat-tails of a long-running franchise who feels the need to stamp his mark on Hollywood like a dog marking its territory...
I understand perfectly well that it is an ugly starship with a design which looks like it was done by a grade-schooler, designed for a film for a man riding on the coat-tails of a long-running franchise who feels the need to stamp his mark on Hollywood like a dog marking its territory...
You clearly don't understand the meaning of objectivity then :P
But I'll say it anyway: it means looking at the ship WITHOUT your personal opinion (what you just said) making it biased.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Yeah, there are definitely way too many fanboys in here on synced up cycles... I didn't super care for the JJ Star Trek, but it didn't kill me, and the cast was amazing... Let's just let things work themselves out before we TRIBBLE chickens over a movie we haven't seen, a villian we're not sure of, a ship we can't fully explain, and a plot we haven't the slightest idea of...
Seriously, Midol is sold at your local pharmacy...
You clearly don't understand the meaning of objectivity then :P
But I'll say it anyway: it means looking at the ship WITHOUT your personal opinion (what you just said) making it biased.
I guess you missed my post over the page where I pointed out that it is a chopped up Galaxy-Class saucer on a body which looks like it is built from Legos... That's not my opinion, that is a visual fact... My dislike of JJ non-withstanding, it is quite simply a poor design and looks ugly. As mentioned, the Defiant was not designed to be a warship, but was an un-used freighter design, which was suitable for the purpose... The only vaguely tactical consideration the Vengeance has to its design, is that the donut saucer would present less of a target to incoming weapons fire. My opinion, is that that was not an intentional consideration, given how miss-matched the rest of the ship's design is...
I guess you missed my post over the page where I pointed out that it is a chopped up Galaxy-Class saucer on a body which looks like it is built from Legos... That's not my opinion, that is a visual fact... My dislike of JJ non-withstanding, it is quite simply a poor design and looks ugly. As mentioned, the Defiant was not designed to be a warship, but was an un-used freighter design, which was suitable for the purpose... The only vaguely tactical consideration the Vengeance has to its design, is that the donut saucer would present less of a target to incoming weapons fire. My opinion, is that that was not an intentional consideration, given how miss-matched the rest of the ship's design is...
PS **** JJ
And yet, your post there looks like it's contradicting itself
You say it looks like a Galaxy-class saucer, and I don't deny that, because it does look like one. But using 'chopped up, Legos, poor design and looks ugly' all strongly imply personal opinion, not fact.
Not to mention, what is fact to you probably isn't fact for me. We all see things differently than everyone else after all.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I guess you missed my post over the page where I pointed out that it is a chopped up Galaxy-Class saucer on a body which looks like it is built from Legos... That's not my opinion, that is a visual fact... My dislike of JJ non-withstanding, it is quite simply a poor design and looks ugly. As mentioned, the Defiant was not designed to be a warship, but was an un-used freighter design, which was suitable for the purpose... The only vaguely tactical consideration the Vengeance has to its design, is that the donut saucer would present less of a target to incoming weapons fire. My opinion, is that that was not an intentional consideration, given how miss-matched the rest of the ship's design is...
PS **** JJ
I guess you missed the Giant Phaser Rotary Cannons* flanking the main deflector.
*(and I say again, because I am apparently the only one excited by these, "SSQQUUEEEEEE!!!!")
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
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You say it looks like a Galaxy-class saucer, and I don't deny that, because it does look like one. But using 'chopped up, Legos, poor design and looks ugly' all strongly imply personal opinion, not fact.
Blocky angular hull is miss-matched to the curves of the saucer. Better? :P Regardless of my opinion or appreciation of the design, the fact that the two hulls are of two totally different design aesthetics is impossible to ignore, and impossible to consider in a positive light, as a good design would be consistent across the entire ship. The only thing which is consistent across the Vengeance, is the color of the hull... :eek:
Not to mention, what is fact to you probably isn't fact for me. We all see things differently than everyone else after all.
Your appreciation of the ship can certainly be different to mine, and I have no issue with that. The inconsistency of the design, however, is a fact, regardless of our perceptions of it...
I guess you missed the Giant Phaser Rotary Cannons* flanking the main deflector.
*(and I say again, because I am apparently the only one excited by these, "SSQQUUEEEEEE!!!!")
The circular series of red markings? I saw them, but until I see the Vengeance in action and them firing as such, I'll reserve judgement on the functionality of the detail... Could be multiple torpedo launchers, or even just 'window dressing' I'm at least crediting the donut as a tactical consideration rather than someone trying to 'be edgy' with their design
Blocky angular hull is miss-matched to the curves of the saucer. Better? Regardless of my opinion or appreciation of the design, the fact that the two hulls are of two totally different design aesthetics is impossible to ignore, and impossible to consider in a positive light, as a good design would be consistent across the entire ship. The only thing which is consistent across the Vengeance, is the color of the hull... :eek:
Your appreciation of the ship can certainly be different to mine, and I have no issue with that. The inconsistency of the design, however, is a fact, regardless of our perceptions of it...
That describes about half of the Starfleet ships in the game. :P
Besides, the interior of the saucer "donut" is angular.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
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The circular series of red markings? I saw them, but until I see the Vengeance in action and them firing as such, I'll reserve judgement on the functionality of the detail... Could be multiple torpedo launchers, or even just 'window dressing' I'm at least crediting the donut as a tactical consideration rather than someone trying to 'be edgy' with their design
So... your pre-judging the aesthetics of a form-follows-function design while reserving judgment of the actual functionality?
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
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Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
My
F**king
God
:eek:
What a piece of TRIBBLE design!
Hmm, let's see what happens when we jam curves and corners together...
:eek:
Look at JJ standing there thinking he's some Big Time Pimp... Makes me want to punch him right in his smug face and then stamp on his throat :mad:
lmao I have to full heartedly agree with ya
system Lord Baal is dead
The Enterprise is graceful and curvy, representative of a time reserved for exploration and peace.
The Vengeance is a weapon. Designed for whatever Marcus has in plan. It's reactionary to the threats Starfleet has faced in this time period (Narada and Vulcan).
Let's be honest, the Defiant is an ugly son of a *****, but only because Sisko wanted guns strapped to engines surrounded by armor. This is no different.
It also screams JJ Excelsior in terms of size and overall shape. Notice the TMP features as well. From the Nacelles, Deflector, escape pods, and hull aztecing.
Not wishing death, just really feeling the need to knock that smug satisfaction out of the SoB. What a total poseur he is standing there like that :mad: But yeah, time for my Soma...
Oh but it is very different... The Defiant (ship design) was actually conceived as a freighter... The design was simply used when they needed 'something out of the ordinary' to make a badass warship, er, I mean Escort, yes, escort, Starfleet doesn't build warships... Even then, it has a flow to its design: It has curves and lines which work together and off of each other, rather than in opposition to each other. It looks practical and functional, but still with some redeeming aesthetics. The Vengeance has none... It's a chopped up Galaxy-Class saucer on a 'redneck armor' body... It just doesn't look good. Shadow vessels were evil, but they still had some elegance to the design. This doesn't. This is catering to an idiot audience who need to be told who the bad-guys are, rather than letting a decent plot do so...
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Looks like the Kelvin / Kobayashi Maru simulator bridge.
The ship it's self is okay but the black colour is a bit over the top.
It's now my background
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Deffo seen worse (example JJU - Enterprise), but I've also seen better...
Yeager class springs to mind under the category "better"
system Lord Baal is dead
system Lord Baal is dead
And how is stealing a ship in ANY way boring? Kirk stole the Enterprise and that was exciting, even if it was his own ship. And considering this ship is an ultra-powerful ship designed to take on more threats like Nero (I'm assuming), it automatically assumes Harrison is at least semi-competent to have stolen it in the first place.
And who said you NEEDED imagination or thought put into the design? If the ship was built for battles, why would it need a pleasing/thoughtful/imaginative aesthetic? IMO, it doesn't need that
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
After Nero's armed-to-teeth oversized mining ship destroyed a lot of Federation ships, Starfleet decided to construct a tactical ship to fight against such threats.
The ship is beeing hijacked by this one guy, he kills the whole crew and shoots at the Enterprise. The Enterprise crashes on earth, but somehow a small crew enters Vengeance, starts the self-destruction countdown, kills the bad guy and are resuced by another ship before the Vengeance explodes.
Starfleet says that a tactical ship attracts to much bad guys because they don't have so much technic and personal to avoid a hijacking.
So they decide that the Federation will never have it's own battleship and they will conentrate on building more cruisers and science ships because there is no threat out there left in the universe.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
UGLY!!!!
but have nice engines ;p
Just sayin'...
And that it's sad, as it's against the whole point of trying to understand anything that's different (one of the main points of ST).
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
But I'll say it anyway: it means looking at the ship WITHOUT your personal opinion (what you just said) making it biased.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Seriously, Midol is sold at your local pharmacy...
PS **** JJ
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder man lol, ship looks bad TRIBBLE!
WHere's my T5 Vengence 3-pack? LOL
jk, nothings getting my main out of my vesta lol...and alt? maybe!
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You say it looks like a Galaxy-class saucer, and I don't deny that, because it does look like one. But using 'chopped up, Legos, poor design and looks ugly' all strongly imply personal opinion, not fact.
Not to mention, what is fact to you probably isn't fact for me. We all see things differently than everyone else after all.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I guess you missed the Giant Phaser Rotary Cannons* flanking the main deflector.
*(and I say again, because I am apparently the only one excited by these, "SSQQUUEEEEEE!!!!")
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
Your appreciation of the ship can certainly be different to mine, and I have no issue with that. The inconsistency of the design, however, is a fact, regardless of our perceptions of it...
The circular series of red markings? I saw them, but until I see the Vengeance in action and them firing as such, I'll reserve judgement on the functionality of the detail... Could be multiple torpedo launchers, or even just 'window dressing'
That describes about half of the Starfleet ships in the game. :P
Besides, the interior of the saucer "donut" is angular.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
So... your pre-judging the aesthetics of a form-follows-function design while reserving judgment of the actual functionality?
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon