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Role of the D'Deridex

abaddon653abaddon653 Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
So I love the D'Deridex, it is my favorite trek ship, has been since I first remember seeing it when I was a few years old. Now I have also started to really enjoy playing a Sci captain (yes, yes I know class isn't a major thing in the game).

In the series you see the D'Deridex fill the roles of both a warship and a science vessel. So I am wondering if Cryptic will keep true and have it as a science based vessel, or will it be a typical engineer type ship? Anyone have any word on this?
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    No one's seen any stats yet. The Roms don't have ship classes exactly the same way the Fed and KDF have them. Their ships seem to be more multipurpose. I also think the different Singularity Cores allow you to fine-tune some aspects of a ship - as the Cores give different special powers.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • abaddon653abaddon653 Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    No one's seen any stats yet. The Roms don't have ship classes exactly the same way the Fed and KDF have them. Their ships seem to be more multipurpose. I also think the different Singularity Cores allow you to fine-tune some aspects of a ship - as the Cores give different special powers.

    Ahhh, thx for that. I hope we get some stats soon.
  • lordvalecortezlordvalecortez Member Posts: 479 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I'm looking forward to flying a Warbird myself. Whenever I think Romulan, I think that big hollowed out ship. While the empty space does bother me some, it does give it a very unique look.

    And as an Tac Escort pilot I know who to thank for keeping me alive. :) Never underestimate the power of a good sci.
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  • saxfiresaxfire Member Posts: 558 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    According to LoR #4 or which ever it was, it will be a battlecruiser, which will mean that it will be engineering and tactical focused, not science based by any ways
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  • abaddon653abaddon653 Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    lordvalecortez wrote: »
    I'm looking forward to flying a Warbird myself. Whenever I think Romulan, I think that big hollowed out ship. While the empty space does bother me some, it does give it a very unique look.

    Yup, when you have a device powering your ship that is no where near the size of an matter/antimatter reactor you are free to make plenty of interesting ship designs.

    Though on the D'Deridex that gap is actually there to allow the warp field to be generated between the nacelles while still keeping them recessed and protected.
  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Did nobody read the Dev blog on Romulan ships?
    the D'deridex was significantly more resilient and carried firepower comparable to a Federation Galaxy-class ship.

    Extremely focused on defense, but capable of carrying heavy weaponry, the D'deridex will likely appeal to players who enjoy the current style of play of Battle Cruisers.

    Guys, we're gonna get another prenerfed piece of TRIBBLE like the Galaxy class with too much engineering and precious little else, courtesy of Al Rivera. Why they let that guy have final say on ship specifications with zero oversight is beyond me.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    emacsheadroom wrote: »
    Did nobody read the Dev blog on Romulan ships?



    Guys, we're gonna get another prenerfed piece of TRIBBLE like the Galaxy class with too much engineering and precious little else, courtesy of Al Rivera. Why they let that guy have final say on ship specifications with zero oversight is beyond me.
    Battle Cruisers are awesome ships. Far superior to Fed Cruisers.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • auric2000auric2000 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    emacsheadroom wrote: »
    Did nobody read the Dev blog on Romulan ships?



    Guys, we're gonna get another prenerfed piece of TRIBBLE like the Galaxy class with too much engineering and precious little else, courtesy of Al Rivera. Why they let that guy have final say on ship specifications with zero oversight is beyond me.

    This has me worried. The D'deridex is the one ship I do want to fly. And if its going to be a Lt/Lt + Ens tactical I might as well just not play a romulan.

    I am not asking for escort level tactical slots. Just something similar to the Excelsior Retrofit with a LtCmdr tactical at the very least.
  • squishkinsquishkin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    There are some stats on Tribble for the D'Deridex if you're a Romulan character and look in the ship selector, but I have to imagine they're not final.

    D'Deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser Retrofit
    Weapons: 4/4
    Shield Mod: 1
    Base Hull: 40,500
    Base Crew: 1500
    Base Turn: 2
    Device Slots: 4
    Consoles: 4 Eng, 3 Tac, 2 Sci
    Bridge Officers: Lt. Tac, Cmdr. Eng., Lt. Cmdr. Eng., Ens. Eng., Lt. Sci.

    It's almost exactly a clone of the Exploration Cruiser Retrofit (slightly more hull and crew) but the turn rate makes me believe that it's not final.

    It also has a battle cloak, and the Retrofit level's singularity core gives you a base of 40 power per subsystem.

    Edit: Might as well add the other two top-tier variants

    Mogai Heavy Warbird Retrofit
    Weapons: 4/3
    Shield Mod: 0.9
    Base Hull: 33,000
    Base Crew: 900
    Base Turn: 14
    Device Slots: 3
    Consoles: 2 Eng, 4 Tac, 3 Sci
    Bridge Officers: Cmdr. Tac, Lt Tac, Ens. Eng., Lt Cmdr Sci, Lt Uni.

    Haokna Advanced Warbird
    Weapons: 4/4
    Shield Mod: 1.05
    Base Hull: 40,000
    Base Crew: 2000
    Base Turn: 5
    Device Slots: 4
    Consoles: 2 Eng, 3 Tac, 4 Sci
    Bridge Officers: Lt. Tac, Ens. Tac, Lt. Eng., Cmdr. Eng., Lt. Cmdr Uni.

    Just for reference sake, the "Captain" level D'Deridex has 5 turn, so I'd expect something in that range for the Retrofit variant, too.
  • auric2000auric2000 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Yea those Warbird stats disappoint me greatly....

    How many people that wanted to make a Romulan just to command this ship? Are we really having a repeat of the Galaxy Class?
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I was hoping this would be more of a tac heavy cruiser. It needs this boff layout:

    Lt Cmdr Tac

    Cmdr Eng
    Lt Eng (or even better make this slot universal if possible)

    Lt Sci
    ensign sci

    4 eng console
    2 sci console
    3 tac consoles (4 for fleet version)

    Turn should be like 8 or 9 not 6 like the failaxy, and needs to be able to use DHC of course.
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  • auric2000auric2000 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I really hope they buff the tactical capabilities to atleast a LTCmdr. They claim 'warbirds' are their own class. Yet its obvious its still under the escort/eng/sci treatment..

    I don't wanna be forced to fly a Mogai or a Bird of Prey
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The Warbird has a battle cloak and a crew of Roms who give it weapon bonuses for using the cloak. It has a singularity core - and different cores will give it different benefits. It's not exactly hurting in fire power even without a Lt Cmdr Tac slot. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • auric2000auric2000 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The cloak is good and all, but in a straight up fight the Warbird is gonna get trashed. It doesn't have the speed as the BoP. So its battle cloak is most likely gonna be good for only the opening volley.. after that its a big target.

    I am just very disappointed.. I was hoping for something moderately good.

    A Lt Tac is still too weak to take advantage of the cloak.. Thats basically forcing everyone to put HY II in order to get the most out of a battle cloak strike.. get what I mean?
  • squishkinsquishkin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Dev explains that the D'Deridex Retrofit actually has a turn of 5.5, not 2, it's just displaying wrong (sort of as I thought).

    Also, for all those stats, the Warbirds have a very different way of powering their systems than UFP/KDF ships, and they do get singularity powers.

    For all that, I don't see any reason why the D'Deridex wouldn't turn more slowly than the Galaxy. It's a massive ship.
  • supergirl1611supergirl1611 Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    If the D'deridex is a Galaxy clone then cryptic just saved me some money as I was really looking forward to flying that ship. The galaxy is vastly underpowered in this dps centric game we now have.
  • squishkinsquishkin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The D'Deridex is not exactly a Galaxy clone, the mechanics are too different. But it is similar, in many ways.

    I would actually probably change it to a 5/3 layout for its weapons (or even a 6/2) and leave the turn rate as is. It's a massive ship which should be slow to turn, but in the same vein, its alpha strike needs to be its crowning glory and it should reflect that.
  • aexraelaexrael Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    For such a militaristic Empire, you'd think their ships would lend themselves more towards the Tactical side.
  • auric2000auric2000 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I know right? I don't care if you have a cloaking affinity. Its useless without the firepower to take advantage of the surprise.
  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Ambassador layout is what I was expecting personally, or the breen ship's layout.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    aexrael wrote: »
    For such a militaristic Empire, you'd think their ships would lend themselves more towards the Tactical side.
    The ship needs to be playable with other Factions. No Faction should have an "I win" ship. Those are saved for the Lockboxes - which any Faction can use.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • auric2000auric2000 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Not asking for a 'I win' just a ship that could defend itself and dish out the damage.

    My benchmark is the Excelsior Retrofit. No special offensive or defensive abilities but it can take and dish punishment fine. Are we really having the Excelsior out perform so many ships that in lore would out perform it?
  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The ship needs to be playable with other Factions. No Faction should have an "I win" ship. Those are saved for the Lockboxes - which any Faction can use.

    So we do have p2win?
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    aexrael wrote: »
    For such a militaristic Empire, you'd think their ships would lend themselves more towards the Tactical side.

    Empire? It's a ship of the Romulan Republic. That's a bunch of bunny tagging farmers who colonized a planet and are led by a unifaction seeking vulcan collaborator.

    Empire. Hah. Where have you been since the Hobus Supernova?
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    knuhteb5 wrote: »
    So we do have p2win?
    No one ever said we didn't. But the Lockboxes are equal opportunity for all Factions. A Fed can get a Bug and Jem Dread and a KDF can likewise get it. It's not limited to one Faction or the other.

    And what does P2W mean to the 80% of Trek players who never PvP, anyway? :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    squishkin wrote: »

    Mogai Heavy Warbird Retrofit
    Weapons: 4/3
    Shield Mod: 0.9
    Base Hull: 33,000
    Base Crew: 900
    Base Turn: 14
    Device Slots: 3
    Consoles: 2 Eng, 4 Tac, 3 Sci
    Bridge Officers: Cmdr. Tac, Lt Tac, Ens. Eng., Lt Cmdr Sci, Lt Uni.

    Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! A 10 console fleet Mogai Retrofit is just what I need once I hit level cap with my Romulan farmboy.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • auric2000auric2000 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Not that I don't like the Mogai. But I really don't wanna be forced into it for the sake of Tactical use (I am a Tac player through and through).
  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    squishkin wrote: »
    There are some stats on Tribble for the D'Deridex if you're a Romulan character and look in the ship selector, but I have to imagine they're not final.

    D'Deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser Retrofit
    Weapons: 4/4
    Shield Mod: 1
    Base Hull: 40,500
    Base Crew: 1500
    Base Turn: 2
    Device Slots: 4
    Consoles: 4 Eng, 3 Tac, 2 Sci
    Bridge Officers: Lt. Tac, Cmdr. Eng., Lt. Cmdr. Eng., Ens. Eng., Lt. Sci.
    Base Turn: 2

    Might as well call it a space station then...

    No way that's final.
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  • talientalien Member Posts: 712 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    So basically it was turned into a d'derpidex. Lovely.
  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    squishkin wrote: »
    Mogai Heavy Warbird Retrofit
    Weapons: 4/3
    Shield Mod: 0.9
    Base Hull: 33,000
    Base Crew: 900
    Base Turn: 14
    Device Slots: 3
    Consoles: 2 Eng, 4 Tac, 3 Sci
    Bridge Officers: Cmdr. Tac, Lt Tac, Ens. Eng., Lt Cmdr Sci, Lt Uni.

    Liking this. :cool:

    I'm a little puzzled by the Lt Uni slot though. Would anyone ever put anything besides an engineer there, given that it only seems to have a single Ens Eng slot? :confused:
    My old (and now mostly obsolete) exploration suggestions thread. Give it a read. :)
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