My lobes would rot and fall off if I did what SD did, I understand why tho. Needing a ship to unlock a pet for another ship is ridiculous. We don't need to own a Delta Flyer to own a Delta Flyer pet. We don't need to own Peregines to have those pets. The list goes on and on, I love my bug ship however he won't be flying a Dreadnaught ever. I say delete them all and be done with it.... They'll be forced to remove the requirement if none of them exist.
well do keep this in mind if was not for ppl fighting for what they want you have no dill or drops from stf's im really starting to think ppl have forgot the start of season 7
My lobes would rot and fall off if I did what SD did, I understand why tho. Needing a ship to unlock a pet for another ship is ridiculous. We don't need to own a Delta Flyer to own a Delta Flyer pet. We don't need to own Peregines to have those pets. The list goes on and on, I love my bug ship however he won't be flying a Dreadnaught ever. I say delete them all and be done with it.... They'll be forced to remove the requirement if none of them exist.
You might have missed something. Here, let me get that for you:
I think you mistake intent. We do not wish the JHAS gone, but for the player base of the game to stop being so entitled to things they have not earned. We hope Cryptic does not cave to the demands of the loudest voices on the forums, rather those that are already given so much would work a little harder and whine a lot less. Because realizing and pursuing a goal has a much sweeter reward then being given something.
I don't imagine Cryptic will be 'forced' to do anything because some players chose to spend time in the forums instead of earning a JHAS while they still existed as an in-game item.
i own a dreadnought, and personally i would be happy if feds simply got a frigate-like hangar ship for carrier use.
also i'm pretty sure the main reason people whine so much about the JHAS lock is due to jem fighters being utterly horrible, wouldn't hurt for cryptic to buff them so they're at least worth a damn.
Recluse carrier has weavers. And it is a pretty amazing frigate.
But yes,jem dreadnought really needs a frigate.
The Elite Mesh Weavers are Hella Sweet and they were the sole reason I took my Recluse out of mothballs and shelved my Vo'Quv.
What Cryptic did with the Dreadnought Carrier and its Hanger Attack Ships was just pure wrong and showed nothing but how low they'd be willing to go for a cash grab IMO.
I posted many, many times over about how wrong I felt Cryptic handled this issue in various threads on this subject and it really changed nothing.
No DEV ever responded many of our complaints about the tethering of the Lock Box Bug to the Hanger Bugs of the Dreadnought because IMO there was no explanation that could possibly justify the move.
I still feel that owners of the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier are Entitled to have the option to acquire Hanger Options that can only be used with the Carrier that they Own without having to also own a lockbox ship that's crazy rare and ungodly expensive that they may never use.
There would not have been so much discussion on this subject if all Carriers had a Generic Frigate type option that they all could use based on their faction.
I've pretty much moved on from this because it was obvious that Cryptic was never going to change their minds about trying to use the Hanger Bugs to boost the sales of the Fleet Support Duty Officer Pack but that does not mean that what they did was right or fair to the players that only owned the Dreadnought Carrier.
The Dreadnought Carrier is a fine vessel and in all honesty it does quite well with Ultra Scorpion Fighters; however, there are certain Carrier play styles and some game mechanics that the Dreadnought and Atrox cannot use without sturdier Hanger Options.
In my Vo'Quv using good positioning and thanks to my Advanced Bird of Prey my Carrier seldom sees consistent return fire from NPC targets in any Elite PVE encounters.
The use of Threat reduction consoles really helps out Carriers in all levels of PVE but the key to them is having Hanger Support that can take some hits and hold the ARGO which fighters just cannot do.
Granted when dealing with multiple enemies it is much harder to go unscathed but having sturdy Hanger Support that can draw and hold ARGO makes a Carriers job that much easier.
IMO what Cryptic did with the Dreadnought Carrier was wrong but it's their yard and I only play in it.
Personally I love what SFD is doing. Eventually all the JHAS will be gone from the Exchange and I will get a cool 500 Million for mine. Sometime in the future PWE will bring it back and I can buy one off the exchange for 300 Million.
I have to agree with them about people whining about what they think they are entitled to. If you want something stop whining and use your brain and hard work to get it.
Myself personally parlayed a D'Kora that I won awhile back into the JHAS that I have. I sold it on the exchange for 80 Million and bought the fleet packs with the proceeds and some Zen and Dil that I had been saving.
Maybe I was lucky, but I used some patience and brains to get what I wanted. If people cried less and played more maybe they can have what they want?
Maybe I was lucky, but I used some patience and brains to get what I wanted. If people cried less and played more maybe they can have what they want?
That's the kind of crazy talk that could get a guy killed around here.
Personally? Love my Elite Jem'Hadar Attack Ship combat pets. Love the Elite Mesh Weavers, too. Even refitted my Recluse for more convenient swapping between the Recluse and the Dread-Carrier.
The JHAS combat pets are a perk for owning the JHAS and the JHDC the same way the two-piece console set bonus is a perk for owning the JHDC and the JHEC. Anyone arguing otherwise is seriously missing the point and seems unable to differentiate the concept of greed from their own bitterness over not having it or not having it at a price they could stomach.
I bought a JHAS for 350m, literally have never used it. It still sits, untouched, in my ship list as the U.S.S. Full Refund. I got a second JHAS out of 20m EC of DOFF packs during the deal. Still laughing at that one.
You don't inherently deserve JHAS combat pets just because you want them and got the JHDC. The arrangement of things was made clear from the beginning. The only reason Recluses even got Mesh Weavers is because Widows are going ship-agnostic with LoR when they become a reputation system reward with Tholian Taskforce reputation.
Cryptic doesn't owe you whiners a damn thing. You act like children throwing a fit over a toy you never got and expect the devs to HAVE to listen to you, give in, and provide it just because you're keeping up the tantrum for 3-4 months now. The fact they haven't responded by now should be the clue that they don't care. They have no reason to care. IF they did give in out of the kindness of their worn out, tired hearts you people would just act as if you won some mighty victory over ~corporate greed~ and chestbeat and just be even more obnoxious the next time some slight, real or imagined, led you to whine at the devs.
They're a toy. In a casual spaceship MMO. Freely available Elite Scorpions do more raw DPS than they do. The JHDC isn't gimped by not having them. They're a synergistic perk for owning the third piece of a trio of Dominion ships. Treat them accordingly. If you can get them? Get them. If you can't, get something you can get. It's a game, seriously.
The Jem'hadar attack ships reaching 500M on the exchange was going to happen anyways. It happened last time a month or two after they stopped being available, and the time before that. Eventually for a time will be no more on the exchange, which is usually followed by their return and the circle of life repeats. For anybody to claim credit for the rising price of Jem'hadar attack ships is like claiming that they will make the sun rise or taking credit for the receding of the tides.
Locking the Jem'hadar attack ship hangar pet to the Jem'hadar attack ship is something that has understandably upset quite a few people. For some the need to voice their opinion of such things on the forum is a valid form of expression of their grievances (assuming they are being respectful and following forum rules). For those that disagree with these people are also entitled to their opinions as to why the Jem'hadar hangar pet should remain an exclusive. Debating the arguments and counter arguments.
However, referring to people who disagree with you as whiners and lazy is to dismiss the argument (and the person). There are many reasons (beyond financial and "laziness") to which people have given arguments to their disagreement with the current availability of the Jem'hadar attack ship hangar pet. There have been a few individuals who have been willing to argue the opposite with valid debate. But, all too often the counter argument has been personal attacks of accusations of laziness and whining.
You might have missed something. Here, let me get that for you:
I don't imagine Cryptic will be 'forced' to do anything because some players chose to spend time in the forums instead of earning a JHAS while they still existed as an in-game item.
The best part is it's all done on the Tribble Server.
All you need to do is have 1 Character with the boxed Jem'Hadar attack ship and then copy it over to tribble and then use the mail system on tribble or trade the item to another Character on Tribble and then delete the original Character that had the Bug and Copy Him back over to Tribble again and repeat the process till the one Character that's getting the Bug traded to them has a completely full inventory of the same Bug in its box.
In the End what Happens on Tribble Stays on Tribble.
The best part is it's all done on the Tribble Server.
In the End what Happens on Tribble Stays on Tribble.
Thanks for your Time.
Actually it was said that it was done at Drozana Station which from what I hear has been redone on Tribble. Apparently the Drozana Station in the videos looks like they are on Holodeck.
Honestly I don't know why SFD wouldn't just buy all the JHAS's they could and just post them back on the exchange or hold them in their Bank and list one or two at a time @ 500 Million to corner the market. This is assuming they have the resources and the videos are not fake.
If you want to pull the JHAS off the market and or corner the market, just buy them up and hold on to them. It seems like a waste to just destroy them. If they truly have the resources and the videos are real then its their EC to spend as they see fit.
It doesn't matter, real or fake they are just trolling.
Like most, I have my doubts about the validity of the videos. Video game footage with easy to edit video software makes for a pretty unbelievable video. It's also possible it's real. Rumor has it that due to recent happenings (which won't be mentioned by myself), that certain individuals are leaving the game. Asking them to delete their ships on the way out is also a possibility. The overall net impact on the supply will be minimal.
Trolls will be trolls, ignoring is the best weapon.
Personally I love what SFD is doing. Eventually all the JHAS will be gone from the Exchange and I will get a cool 500 Million for mine. Sometime in the future PWE will bring it back and I can buy one off the exchange for 300 Million.
I have to agree with them about people whining about what they think they are entitled to. If you want something stop whining and use your brain and hard work to get it.
Myself personally parlayed a D'Kora that I won awhile back into the JHAS that I have. I sold it on the exchange for 80 Million and bought the fleet packs with the proceeds and some Zen and Dil that I had been saving.
Maybe I was lucky, but I used some patience and brains to get what I wanted. If people cried less and played more maybe they can have what they want?
I love how people use "entitled" as a lazy excuse for insulting someone.
But I decided to not post in this thread again for the very reason that some people are coming in here and insulting. Mind you not all people are doing that, try as you may you are making a good argument.
I have my JHAS and All elite gear for my JHDC even elite JHAS-H pets.
But I got mine from a damn good stroke of luck, though I have to say, I do not like nor understand why the JHAS pets are still locked. It made sense from a buisness standpoint before when the jhas was about to come out again, and causalityaffect made a great point on how it could be handled.
Just....I just don't like posting in here anymore, I still stand on both the "unlock the pets account wide" and "give the non jhas owners the common form, and the owners uncommon to elite"
I love how people use "entitled" as a lazy excuse for insulting someone.
But I decided to not post in this thread again for the very reason that some people are coming in here and insulting. Mind you not all people are doing that, try as you may you are making a good argument.
I have my JHAS and All elite gear for my JHDC even elite JHAS-H pets.
But I got mine from a damn good stroke of luck, though I have to say, I do not like nor understand why the JHAS pets are still locked. It made sense from a buisness standpoint before when the jhas was about to come out again, and causalityaffect made a great point on how it could be handled.
Just....I just don't like posting in here anymore, I still stand on both the "unlock the pets account wide" and "give the non jhas owners the common form, and the owners uncommon to elite"
i dont see how it makes any sense as a business standpoint.
the JH attack ships came from a lockbox.. then later as a reward from the doff pack... pretty much the same thing..
that means that every one out there for sale is being sold by a player..
how does this make anyone but the players that have them any money?
it just makes the ships worth more.. so the players are selling them at an extremely high price.. becuase you have to buy them if you want the hangers..
i can see if it was a zen store ship.. that would make them tons of money, but as it is now its not making anyone money except the few that have them for sale on the exchange.
[12:35] Vessel Two of Two Unimatrix 01 deals 225232 (271723) Plasma Damage to you with Plasma Lance.
[12:44] Vessel One of Two Unimatrix 01 deals 1019527 (1157678) Kinetic Damage to you with Plasma Energy Bolt Explosion.
i dont see how it makes any sense as a business standpoint.
the JH attack ships came from a lockbox.. then later as a reward from the doff pack... pretty much the same thing..
that means that every one out there for sale is being sold by a player..
how does this make anyone but the players that have them any money?
it just makes the ships worth more.. so the players are selling them at an extremely high price.. becuase you have to buy them if you want the hangers..
i can see if it was a zen store ship.. that would make them tons of money, but as it is now its not making anyone money except the few that have them for sale on the exchange.
Because they released the Dominion Lockbox and JHDC BEFORE they had the last Bug ship Promotion. So the Elite hanger pets were only available to those lucky/smart enough to already have a JHAS or the EC saved up to buy one of the few left on the exchange. Then Cryptic ran the fleet support pack promotion after there were none left on the exchange, which in turn made them a lot of money because it made a ship already in high demand even more in demand. People were shelling out loads of resources and cash to get the fleet support packs to obtain a JHAS.
There will also be people that will shell out cash for Zen to buy Keys to sell for EC which people will use to buy the Bug off the exchange. At a rate of 1.5 Mil EC per Key, to buy the Bug off the exchange solely by selling keys would cost roughly 266 Keys or $333 dollars.
That is where the financial advantage to Cryptic is at.
[12:35] Vessel Two of Two Unimatrix 01 deals 225232 (271723) Plasma Damage to you with Plasma Lance.
[12:44] Vessel One of Two Unimatrix 01 deals 1019527 (1157678) Kinetic Damage to you with Plasma Energy Bolt Explosion.
The best part is it's all done on the Tribble Server.
All you need to do is have 1 Character with the boxed Jem'Hadar attack ship and then copy it over to tribble and then use the mail system on tribble or trade the item to another Character on Tribble and then delete the original Character that had the Bug and Copy Him back over to Tribble again and repeat the process till the one Character that's getting the Bug traded to them has a completely full inventory of the same Bug in its box.
In the End what Happens on Tribble Stays on Tribble.
Thanks for your Time.
Account bank also helps.
Anyway, real or not, it doesn't matter one bit. If the supply runs low, there's a good chance Cryptic will just rerun it sooner. :P
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
This was a Obvious Cash grab by Cryptic and it worked.
Honestly I don't see them opening up the pets without the JHAS or making the JHAS readily available.
What I would do is make those Elite Hanger pets stupid expensive. For example 1 Million Dil or something like that. Either way Cryptic gets paid.
So your plan is to make the ship out of grasp from the common player in a different way. And instead of paying ~400m of EC, 90k of dilithium, and 200k of FC for a full set of Elite JHAS combat pets expect them to pay 2m of dilithium for them?
This entire thread has pretty much fallen victim of Poe's Law at this point. I can't tell which of you people are serious and which of you are just toying with the rest.
Also, yes. A total cash grab. That's why they waited over a month after the JHDC and JHEC came out to reintroduce the JHAS the same way they've done it every time since the Winter Event it debuted at: Via a retiring DOFF pack. Even if it is a cash grab, well... guess what? You have free will. You have the capacity, somewhere within you, not to buy a digital item in an internet spaceships MMO where you can get equivalent or better raw DPS from another, far more readily available item.
Oddly enough Cryptic is a company! PWE is a company too! This may come as a shock given a bunch of you seem to think they're The Great Satan at this point. They kind of need money. Your money. It's what keeps the game going. Things like the JHAS are supposed to be a rarity in this game. Per their agreement with CBS things like the Galor, JH* series ships, D'Kora, etc? All those lovely non Fed/KDF ships? They're not supposed to be freely available. That's why they're in the lockboxes to begin with.
Cryptic doesn't owe you people anything. Least of all "free" bugship pets. They pretty much ignore pointless, whiny threads like this one anyways. For good reason. If you can't figure out WHY they'd ignore threads like this than you should probably try and figure that part out first before you think too hard on why they'd dare keep you away from ~almighty bugship pets~ in STO.
I am not trolling or toying with people. I do believe some items should be a lot harder to obtain and not EVERYTHING under the sun should be available to every Tom, **** and Harry that plays a couple of hours a month.
There should be Elite Rewards for Elite Players. People who use patience and their heads to obtain the best stuff in the game should be rewarded. Common players, with common skills should get common gear.
There will always be those impatient goofs with large bank accounts or mommy's credit card that will buy their way into the best gear and ships and personally I don't care. Those kind of people support the game and are short in number.
Myself personally have spent very little on this game in comparison to many others and am quite content with what I have at the moment.
so you have charts bars and so on to show it worked ? if not don't say it did when you don't know if it did or didn't
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know they made money hand over fist. The first three days there was nearly non stop notifications of people winning bugs. Even given the drop rate was adjusted to compensate for the price of the fleet support packs there still was a TRIBBLE load of packs being opened.
Lets do some math. The drop rate for lock boxes are roughly 1/200, or .5%. Having adjusted the drop rate for the bug based off the cost of the packs the drop rate would be roughly twice that or 1/100, or 1%. There were notifications flying all over the screen for two weeks and you have to figure that 100 packs would have to be opened on average for one person to win a bug. That would make me believe that there were tens of thousands of packs opened over that two week period. With each pack costing $3.25 to $3.75 each that would equate to $30,000-$100,000 generated in a two week period.
That is a cash grab and given the amount of money made its apparent it was a success. Also given that the introduction of the JHDC and the Ultra Rare Elite Pets preceded the new bug special it is safe to say that it was a well calculated move by Cryptic.
You don't need charts and hard data to see what common sense and some basic observation skills make quite clear on their own.
that is when it drop from doff packs or Winter Package that was then this is now and I don't see very many ppl flying bug ships any more or ppl flying JHD with say pets so I don't see what you call a success I see one JHD with them pets every ones in a blue moon
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You might have missed something. Here, let me get that for you:
I don't imagine Cryptic will be 'forced' to do anything because some players chose to spend time in the forums instead of earning a JHAS while they still existed as an in-game item.
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also i'm pretty sure the main reason people whine so much about the JHAS lock is due to jem fighters being utterly horrible, wouldn't hurt for cryptic to buff them so they're at least worth a damn.
But yes,jem dreadnought really needs a frigate.
The Elite Mesh Weavers are Hella Sweet and they were the sole reason I took my Recluse out of mothballs and shelved my Vo'Quv.
What Cryptic did with the Dreadnought Carrier and its Hanger Attack Ships was just pure wrong and showed nothing but how low they'd be willing to go for a cash grab IMO.
I posted many, many times over about how wrong I felt Cryptic handled this issue in various threads on this subject and it really changed nothing.
No DEV ever responded many of our complaints about the tethering of the Lock Box Bug to the Hanger Bugs of the Dreadnought because IMO there was no explanation that could possibly justify the move.
I still feel that owners of the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier are Entitled to have the option to acquire Hanger Options that can only be used with the Carrier that they Own without having to also own a lockbox ship that's crazy rare and ungodly expensive that they may never use.
There would not have been so much discussion on this subject if all Carriers had a Generic Frigate type option that they all could use based on their faction.
I've pretty much moved on from this because it was obvious that Cryptic was never going to change their minds about trying to use the Hanger Bugs to boost the sales of the Fleet Support Duty Officer Pack but that does not mean that what they did was right or fair to the players that only owned the Dreadnought Carrier.
The Dreadnought Carrier is a fine vessel and in all honesty it does quite well with Ultra Scorpion Fighters; however, there are certain Carrier play styles and some game mechanics that the Dreadnought and Atrox cannot use without sturdier Hanger Options.
In my Vo'Quv using good positioning and thanks to my Advanced Bird of Prey my Carrier seldom sees consistent return fire from NPC targets in any Elite PVE encounters.
The use of Threat reduction consoles really helps out Carriers in all levels of PVE but the key to them is having Hanger Support that can take some hits and hold the ARGO which fighters just cannot do.
Granted when dealing with multiple enemies it is much harder to go unscathed but having sturdy Hanger Support that can draw and hold ARGO makes a Carriers job that much easier.
IMO what Cryptic did with the Dreadnought Carrier was wrong but it's their yard and I only play in it.
Your Javelin deals 125417 (89066) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Recluse. > lol
I have to agree with them about people whining about what they think they are entitled to. If you want something stop whining and use your brain and hard work to get it.
Myself personally parlayed a D'Kora that I won awhile back into the JHAS that I have. I sold it on the exchange for 80 Million and bought the fleet packs with the proceeds and some Zen and Dil that I had been saving.
Maybe I was lucky, but I used some patience and brains to get what I wanted. If people cried less and played more maybe they can have what they want?
That's the kind of crazy talk that could get a guy killed around here.
Personally? Love my Elite Jem'Hadar Attack Ship combat pets. Love the Elite Mesh Weavers, too. Even refitted my Recluse for more convenient swapping between the Recluse and the Dread-Carrier.
The JHAS combat pets are a perk for owning the JHAS and the JHDC the same way the two-piece console set bonus is a perk for owning the JHDC and the JHEC. Anyone arguing otherwise is seriously missing the point and seems unable to differentiate the concept of greed from their own bitterness over not having it or not having it at a price they could stomach.
I bought a JHAS for 350m, literally have never used it. It still sits, untouched, in my ship list as the U.S.S. Full Refund. I got a second JHAS out of 20m EC of DOFF packs during the deal. Still laughing at that one.
You don't inherently deserve JHAS combat pets just because you want them and got the JHDC. The arrangement of things was made clear from the beginning. The only reason Recluses even got Mesh Weavers is because Widows are going ship-agnostic with LoR when they become a reputation system reward with Tholian Taskforce reputation.
Cryptic doesn't owe you whiners a damn thing. You act like children throwing a fit over a toy you never got and expect the devs to HAVE to listen to you, give in, and provide it just because you're keeping up the tantrum for 3-4 months now. The fact they haven't responded by now should be the clue that they don't care. They have no reason to care. IF they did give in out of the kindness of their worn out, tired hearts you people would just act as if you won some mighty victory over ~corporate greed~ and chestbeat and just be even more obnoxious the next time some slight, real or imagined, led you to whine at the devs.
They're a toy. In a casual spaceship MMO. Freely available Elite Scorpions do more raw DPS than they do. The JHDC isn't gimped by not having them. They're a synergistic perk for owning the third piece of a trio of Dominion ships. Treat them accordingly. If you can get them? Get them. If you can't, get something you can get. It's a game, seriously.
Locking the Jem'hadar attack ship hangar pet to the Jem'hadar attack ship is something that has understandably upset quite a few people. For some the need to voice their opinion of such things on the forum is a valid form of expression of their grievances (assuming they are being respectful and following forum rules). For those that disagree with these people are also entitled to their opinions as to why the Jem'hadar hangar pet should remain an exclusive. Debating the arguments and counter arguments.
However, referring to people who disagree with you as whiners and lazy is to dismiss the argument (and the person). There are many reasons (beyond financial and "laziness") to which people have given arguments to their disagreement with the current availability of the Jem'hadar attack ship hangar pet. There have been a few individuals who have been willing to argue the opposite with valid debate. But, all too often the counter argument has been personal attacks of accusations of laziness and whining.
I love the effort with the videos here.
The best part is it's all done on the Tribble Server.
All you need to do is have 1 Character with the boxed Jem'Hadar attack ship and then copy it over to tribble and then use the mail system on tribble or trade the item to another Character on Tribble and then delete the original Character that had the Bug and Copy Him back over to Tribble again and repeat the process till the one Character that's getting the Bug traded to them has a completely full inventory of the same Bug in its box.
In the End what Happens on Tribble Stays on Tribble.
Thanks for your Time.
Actually it was said that it was done at Drozana Station which from what I hear has been redone on Tribble. Apparently the Drozana Station in the videos looks like they are on Holodeck.
If you want to pull the JHAS off the market and or corner the market, just buy them up and hold on to them. It seems like a waste to just destroy them. If they truly have the resources and the videos are real then its their EC to spend as they see fit.
Thanks I missed that.
I was thinking that the videos were old but if they are new it would need to be done on red shirt and not Tribble.
Like most, I have my doubts about the validity of the videos. Video game footage with easy to edit video software makes for a pretty unbelievable video. It's also possible it's real. Rumor has it that due to recent happenings (which won't be mentioned by myself), that certain individuals are leaving the game. Asking them to delete their ships on the way out is also a possibility. The overall net impact on the supply will be minimal.
Trolls will be trolls, ignoring is the best weapon.
I love how people use "entitled" as a lazy excuse for insulting someone.
But I decided to not post in this thread again for the very reason that some people are coming in here and insulting. Mind you not all people are doing that, try as you may you are making a good argument.
I have my JHAS and All elite gear for my JHDC even elite JHAS-H pets.
But I got mine from a damn good stroke of luck, though I have to say, I do not like nor understand why the JHAS pets are still locked. It made sense from a buisness standpoint before when the jhas was about to come out again, and causalityaffect made a great point on how it could be handled.
Just....I just don't like posting in here anymore, I still stand on both the "unlock the pets account wide" and "give the non jhas owners the common form, and the owners uncommon to elite"
i dont see how it makes any sense as a business standpoint.
the JH attack ships came from a lockbox.. then later as a reward from the doff pack... pretty much the same thing..
that means that every one out there for sale is being sold by a player..
how does this make anyone but the players that have them any money?
it just makes the ships worth more.. so the players are selling them at an extremely high price.. becuase you have to buy them if you want the hangers..
i can see if it was a zen store ship.. that would make them tons of money, but as it is now its not making anyone money except the few that have them for sale on the exchange.
[12:44] Vessel One of Two Unimatrix 01 deals 1019527 (1157678) Kinetic Damage to you with Plasma Energy Bolt Explosion.
Because they released the Dominion Lockbox and JHDC BEFORE they had the last Bug ship Promotion. So the Elite hanger pets were only available to those lucky/smart enough to already have a JHAS or the EC saved up to buy one of the few left on the exchange. Then Cryptic ran the fleet support pack promotion after there were none left on the exchange, which in turn made them a lot of money because it made a ship already in high demand even more in demand. People were shelling out loads of resources and cash to get the fleet support packs to obtain a JHAS.
There will also be people that will shell out cash for Zen to buy Keys to sell for EC which people will use to buy the Bug off the exchange. At a rate of 1.5 Mil EC per Key, to buy the Bug off the exchange solely by selling keys would cost roughly 266 Keys or $333 dollars.
That is where the financial advantage to Cryptic is at.
[12:44] Vessel One of Two Unimatrix 01 deals 1019527 (1157678) Kinetic Damage to you with Plasma Energy Bolt Explosion.
Account bank also helps.
Anyway, real or not, it doesn't matter one bit. If the supply runs low, there's a good chance Cryptic will just rerun it sooner. :P
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Honestly I don't see them opening up the pets without the JHAS or making the JHAS readily available.
What I would do is make those Elite Hanger pets stupid expensive. For example 1 Million Dil or something like that. Either way Cryptic gets paid.
So your plan is to make the ship out of grasp from the common player in a different way. And instead of paying ~400m of EC, 90k of dilithium, and 200k of FC for a full set of Elite JHAS combat pets expect them to pay 2m of dilithium for them?
This entire thread has pretty much fallen victim of Poe's Law at this point. I can't tell which of you people are serious and which of you are just toying with the rest.
Also, yes. A total cash grab. That's why they waited over a month after the JHDC and JHEC came out to reintroduce the JHAS the same way they've done it every time since the Winter Event it debuted at: Via a retiring DOFF pack. Even if it is a cash grab, well... guess what? You have free will. You have the capacity, somewhere within you, not to buy a digital item in an internet spaceships MMO where you can get equivalent or better raw DPS from another, far more readily available item.
Oddly enough Cryptic is a company! PWE is a company too! This may come as a shock given a bunch of you seem to think they're The Great Satan at this point. They kind of need money. Your money. It's what keeps the game going. Things like the JHAS are supposed to be a rarity in this game. Per their agreement with CBS things like the Galor, JH* series ships, D'Kora, etc? All those lovely non Fed/KDF ships? They're not supposed to be freely available. That's why they're in the lockboxes to begin with.
Cryptic doesn't owe you people anything. Least of all "free" bugship pets. They pretty much ignore pointless, whiny threads like this one anyways. For good reason. If you can't figure out WHY they'd ignore threads like this than you should probably try and figure that part out first before you think too hard on why they'd dare keep you away from ~almighty bugship pets~ in STO.
There should be Elite Rewards for Elite Players. People who use patience and their heads to obtain the best stuff in the game should be rewarded. Common players, with common skills should get common gear.
There will always be those impatient goofs with large bank accounts or mommy's credit card that will buy their way into the best gear and ships and personally I don't care. Those kind of people support the game and are short in number.
Myself personally have spent very little on this game in comparison to many others and am quite content with what I have at the moment.
so you have charts bars and so on to show it worked ? if not don't say it did when you don't know if it did or didn't
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know they made money hand over fist. The first three days there was nearly non stop notifications of people winning bugs. Even given the drop rate was adjusted to compensate for the price of the fleet support packs there still was a TRIBBLE load of packs being opened.
Lets do some math. The drop rate for lock boxes are roughly 1/200, or .5%. Having adjusted the drop rate for the bug based off the cost of the packs the drop rate would be roughly twice that or 1/100, or 1%. There were notifications flying all over the screen for two weeks and you have to figure that 100 packs would have to be opened on average for one person to win a bug. That would make me believe that there were tens of thousands of packs opened over that two week period. With each pack costing $3.25 to $3.75 each that would equate to $30,000-$100,000 generated in a two week period.
That is a cash grab and given the amount of money made its apparent it was a success. Also given that the introduction of the JHDC and the Ultra Rare Elite Pets preceded the new bug special it is safe to say that it was a well calculated move by Cryptic.
You don't need charts and hard data to see what common sense and some basic observation skills make quite clear on their own.
and also by your logic
Cardassian Lock Box
Ferengi Lock Box
Tholian Lock Box
Temporal Lock Box
Dominion Lock Box
might as well be a success to
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