When I get bored, I play other games. I don't cheer on destructive changes made by clueless devs for amusement.
I don't see it as destructive.
Tac team getting a buff to 10s was one of those though.
Honestly with all the extra regen and resists we have these days... the epts change isn't going to be the drastic issue people seem to think it is. Honestly I still don't think it goes far enough as far as a general healing reduction goes.
I know plenty of good players that don't tag team EPTS and they do fine... I don't.
Mai just admitted that he doesn't chain them either... last I checked he wasn't blowing up all over the place.
People will adjust... and really they may just learn how to watch there own buffs a bit more and in fact get better.
Oh sure, I'm a simple math guy and its quite straightforward the Norgh can do higher Energy spike, why do i fly the b'rel? dunno.
Oh wait, i do. Its the cheesy viral
Ya if you want to pre annoy from cloak the brel has that advantage... still I would say an extra lt cmd boff might make for even more boom. Really though the spike from any of the bops flown right is enough to do the job... so which ever. I guess I miss being able to hazards myself while cloaked. lol
Ya if you want to pre annoy from cloak the brel has that advantage... still I would say an extra lt cmd boff might make for even more boom. Really though the spike from any of the bops flown right is enough to do the job... so which ever. I guess I miss being able to hazards myself while cloaked. lol
I actually found it harder to spike in the Brel (for obvious reasons, norgh has higher spike) thats one of the reasons i like it, also because its the smallest bop and still try and manage to vape the biggest Engi tank satisfies me
Honestly I havent found much use for the LC Sci slot, and in a norgh its even more complicated. Using CPB for the extra shield strip doesnt return enough of an advantage for the extra delay 0.5s activation time etc after decloak. PH not needed (evasive good enough for most weak TB's), and i use HE to get out of warp poo.
Sure I could go Full out dmg which is most likely alot easier even, Omega3 or Beta3, BO3/2, RF2 HYT1 etc etc EPTW3 which is buffed now, how high can u get a raw dmg spike. Hell I could use 3/4 Tac stations with 8% CritH increase in total and 20% extra severity but it It would probably be too OP
I wouldnt be surprised with 100K BO2 hits on a more frequent occasion, and HYT1 Quant salvo's of 50/60K
The way i fly it makes things more complex, alot more to click at the right time
The thing I enjoyed most is not having the standard fed spacebar ram mechanism, its also a relief to my left thumb
Tach Beam isn't useful. At one point is was ok w/TB+doff and CPBIII. In addition to PI shield buffers have gone up making it less and less usefull. 10-20k shields in PvP make most stripping build (in particular KDF) useless.
Also (for OP), if you're gonna go sci debuff, go sci debuff. Use all your sci consoles and deflector to boost your main debuff. You should have ~200 in w/e you're debuff is (w/exception of decompiler based skills).
Regarding BO on B'rel. A decent Sci B'rel can be made for debuff spam purposes and leave the damage to others. There was a time it could actually dog fight decently until ~ a year ago give or take, then other ship's power creep just passed it by.
It's still a decent BO ship (though not my thing) b/c you can prebuff things you can't buff in other ships and do nuanced things like TB a target w/quick cloak/decloak while maintaining TB for cloak boosts if people leave you alone to do a 2nd run.
Edit: OT has anyone tested TT3, EPtW3, APO3, BO3 (w/wingman sci debuff) on tribble?
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Mai just admitted that he doesn't chain them either... last I checked he wasn't blowing up all over the place.
They don't play premades anymore. You better believe that if the other team knew he only ran one EPTS he would be the first target to go.
He's even more squishier in that slow turning Vesta, so it's even worse to just run one EPTS.
You're going to see a new line of QQ once Yoda, Strike, etc. get to hammer on people with these new changes. lol.
It's already skin of your teeth type situations in surviving their spike even with healing some of the time. It's going to be QQ-central, especially if they get into their Kumari's. :P
Edit:
Never mind, the devs just gave in and changed EPTS to 20 second shared cooldown from 30.
They don't play premades anymore. You better believe that if the other team knew he only ran one EPTS he would be the first target to go.
He's even more squishier in that slow turning Vesta, so it's even worse to just run one EPTS.
You're going to see a new line of QQ once Yoda, Strike, etc. get to hammer on people with these new changes. lol.
It's already skin of your teeth type situations in surviving their spike even with healing some of the time. It's going to be QQ-central, especially if they get into their Kumari's. :P
Edit:
Never mind, the devs just gave in and changed EPTS to 20 second shared cooldown from 30.
Thats because people let people like yoda and strike run around... it wasn't that long ago those guys wined about critz as well We had some great battles with trh (for awhile I think crtz and trh where the only premades around... then most of the critz got all stompy robot lol)... the best way to control those guys is to hit them just as hard. People that are to busy worrying about there epts tac team tss rolls instead of laying some hurt end up in trouble. In any event its pointless Cryptic has proven they don't have the stones to fix this game already.
My line of reasoning holds. Way to many people are willing to try and make "tank" work in pvp... and well its not going to work ever.
They don't play premades anymore. You better believe that if the other team knew he only ran one EPTS he would be the first target to go.
He's even more squishier in that slow turning Vesta, so it's even worse to just run one EPTS.
You're going to see a new line of QQ once Yoda, Strike, etc. get to hammer on people with these new changes. lol.
It's already skin of your teeth type situations in surviving their spike even with healing some of the time. It's going to be QQ-central, especially if they get into their Kumari's. :P
Edit:
Never mind, the devs just gave in and changed EPTS to 20 second shared cooldown from 30.
ive been running only one copy since the game came out 3 years ago.
i've had plenty of people find me impossible to kill.
Mai has always been good at holding his buffs. He doesn't panic like most people and pop multiple buffs that give him such bad diminishing returns that there was no point in it.
I won't argue that EPTS is a fantastic sckill... it is its in fact to good for a skill that is always on and we all know it.
However you can survive with out having 2 copies...
I know that because I as well have never ran 2 copies since day one. I know guys like mai don't either.
If I'm not mistaken Era never ran 2 copies either. (I am trying hard to remember but I'm pretty sure on that one... mai might know better then I)
I know for a fact that the QEW quys ran one copy... they did just fine as I remember it.
Mai has always been good at holding his buffs. He doesn't panic like most people and pop multiple buffs that give him such bad diminishing returns that there was no point in it.
Mai has always been good at holding his buffs. He doesn't panic like most people and pop multiple buffs that give him such bad diminishing returns that there was no point in it.
I won't argue that EPTS is a fantastic sckill... it is its in fact to good for a skill that is always on and we all know it.
However you can survive with out having 2 copies...
I know that because I as well have never ran 2 copies since day one. I know guys like mai don't either.
If I'm not mistaken Era never ran 2 copies either. (I am trying hard to remember but I'm pretty sure on that one... mai might know better then I)
I know for a fact that the QEW quys ran one copy... they did just fine as I remember it.
If he's holding his heals to protect himself, then he's not healing his teammates at all. And if his teammates have to overheal him to account for the lack of EPTS, then he's unnecessarily taking heals away from his team.
I've seen the prototypical builds of TSI cruisers healer builds, even thumapp posted one, and they all had EPTS 1 x 2.
The QEW guys in Bops? I also run one copy on my Bops. But that's because I'm in and out under 20 seconds. I alternate TSS or EPTS as needed. Their sci ships ran full aux, and they used those Varanus ships with Ens Eng and LT Eng, so I doubt they needed to use just one copy. Their full aux cruiser healer build examples, from Kharn or Goose that I've seen also had EPTS 1 x 2.
And the times they ran carriers, probably EPTS 1, RSP 1, EPTS3.
I'm glad that he can make that build work for him, I just don't consider it wise to only run one EPTS outside of niche builds.
If he's holding his heals to protect himself, then he's not healing his teammates at all. And if his teammates have to overheal him to account for the lack of EPTS, then he's unnecessarily taking heals away from his team.
I've seen the prototypical builds of TSI cruisers healer builds, even thumapp posted one, and they all had EPTS 1 x 2.
The QEW guys in Bops? I also run one copy on my Bops. But that's because I'm in and out under 20 seconds. I alternate TSS or EPTS as needed. Their sci ships ran full aux, and they used those Varanus ships with Ens Eng and LT Eng, so I doubt they needed to use just one copy. Their full aux cruiser healer build examples, from Kharn or Goose that I've seen also had EPTS 1 x 2.
And the times they ran carriers, probably EPTS 1, RSP 1, EPTS3.
I'm glad that he can make that build work for him, I just don't consider it wise to only run one EPTS outside of niche builds.
I've always flown science ships. Transfer shields has always been a more useful skill for team and self healing. I usually take epts1 and aux to Sif 1 as my standard engy slots. If I can fit anything higher i then add an extend 2.
I've always seen it as "if I need more then one epts then any help will be there from the team and if the enemy is focussing on me then that means the team is safe.
I still remember when science team was the king of heal/resist and its from those days I learned how to survive and help out the team.
All that I technically need to do against Kerrat players or random pugs is roll my face across the keyboard really fast. Why should I base anything off of them?.
I find it amusing how people who play premades think their so much better than people who don't
***** I never premade in my life not because I don't want to but because hearing of how it's played it gets far too serious and elitist and comments like that are not going to help get more people to PVP or help people get better
You just look like a big head if you came up against me in Kerrat rolling your head over the keyboard really fast like a cow would only get you one place and that's the spawn que and I suck
So just because people play the game differently than you don't think your way is the high way
Plus you had to have learnt somewhere didn't you??or were you just this 'allegedly' good when you were born
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Orly my b'rel does fine with BO2/3
Oh sure, I'm a simple math guy and its quite straightforward the Norgh can do higher Energy spike, why do i fly the b'rel? dunno.
Oh wait, i do. Its the cheesy viral
I don't see it as destructive.
Tac team getting a buff to 10s was one of those though.
Honestly with all the extra regen and resists we have these days... the epts change isn't going to be the drastic issue people seem to think it is. Honestly I still don't think it goes far enough as far as a general healing reduction goes.
I know plenty of good players that don't tag team EPTS and they do fine... I don't.
Mai just admitted that he doesn't chain them either... last I checked he wasn't blowing up all over the place.
People will adjust... and really they may just learn how to watch there own buffs a bit more and in fact get better.
Ya if you want to pre annoy from cloak the brel has that advantage... still I would say an extra lt cmd boff might make for even more boom. Really though the spike from any of the bops flown right is enough to do the job... so which ever. I guess I miss being able to hazards myself while cloaked. lol
I actually found it harder to spike in the Brel (for obvious reasons, norgh has higher spike) thats one of the reasons i like it, also because its the smallest bop and still try and manage to vape the biggest Engi tank satisfies me
Honestly I havent found much use for the LC Sci slot, and in a norgh its even more complicated. Using CPB for the extra shield strip doesnt return enough of an advantage for the extra delay 0.5s activation time etc after decloak. PH not needed (evasive good enough for most weak TB's), and i use HE to get out of warp poo.
Sure I could go Full out dmg which is most likely alot easier even, Omega3 or Beta3, BO3/2, RF2 HYT1 etc etc EPTW3 which is buffed now, how high can u get a raw dmg spike. Hell I could use 3/4 Tac stations with 8% CritH increase in total and 20% extra severity but it It would probably be too OP
I wouldnt be surprised with 100K BO2 hits on a more frequent occasion, and HYT1 Quant salvo's of 50/60K
The way i fly it makes things more complex, alot more to click at the right time
The thing I enjoyed most is not having the standard fed spacebar ram mechanism, its also a relief to my left thumb
ive been enjoying tomb raider, xcom, bioshock infinite, and a huge collection of humblebundle games recently. my time in sto is awol as a result.
the devs are quite destructive on their own without our input.
Do you even Science Bro?
Also (for OP), if you're gonna go sci debuff, go sci debuff. Use all your sci consoles and deflector to boost your main debuff. You should have ~200 in w/e you're debuff is (w/exception of decompiler based skills).
Regarding BO on B'rel. A decent Sci B'rel can be made for debuff spam purposes and leave the damage to others. There was a time it could actually dog fight decently until ~ a year ago give or take, then other ship's power creep just passed it by.
It's still a decent BO ship (though not my thing) b/c you can prebuff things you can't buff in other ships and do nuanced things like TB a target w/quick cloak/decloak while maintaining TB for cloak boosts if people leave you alone to do a 2nd run.
Edit: OT has anyone tested TT3, EPtW3, APO3, BO3 (w/wingman sci debuff) on tribble?
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
They don't play premades anymore. You better believe that if the other team knew he only ran one EPTS he would be the first target to go.
He's even more squishier in that slow turning Vesta, so it's even worse to just run one EPTS.
You're going to see a new line of QQ once Yoda, Strike, etc. get to hammer on people with these new changes. lol.
It's already skin of your teeth type situations in surviving their spike even with healing some of the time. It's going to be QQ-central, especially if they get into their Kumari's. :P
Edit:
Never mind, the devs just gave in and changed EPTS to 20 second shared cooldown from 30.
Thats because people let people like yoda and strike run around... it wasn't that long ago those guys wined about critz as well We had some great battles with trh (for awhile I think crtz and trh where the only premades around... then most of the critz got all stompy robot lol)... the best way to control those guys is to hit them just as hard. People that are to busy worrying about there epts tac team tss rolls instead of laying some hurt end up in trouble. In any event its pointless Cryptic has proven they don't have the stones to fix this game already.
My line of reasoning holds. Way to many people are willing to try and make "tank" work in pvp... and well its not going to work ever.
ive been running only one copy since the game came out 3 years ago.
i've had plenty of people find me impossible to kill.
Do you even Science Bro?
^ He's a pain to kill :P
because you can prevent shots being fired at you so well in a sci ship. not because you can tank damage just fine without it
Mai has always been good at holding his buffs. He doesn't panic like most people and pop multiple buffs that give him such bad diminishing returns that there was no point in it.
I won't argue that EPTS is a fantastic sckill... it is its in fact to good for a skill that is always on and we all know it.
However you can survive with out having 2 copies...
I know that because I as well have never ran 2 copies since day one. I know guys like mai don't either.
If I'm not mistaken Era never ran 2 copies either. (I am trying hard to remember but I'm pretty sure on that one... mai might know better then I)
I know for a fact that the QEW quys ran one copy... they did just fine as I remember it.
that sounds soooo like "hes a pain in the TRIBBLE" :P
oh i dont doubt that's part of it.
awww now youre makin me blush :P
Do you even Science Bro?
If he's holding his heals to protect himself, then he's not healing his teammates at all. And if his teammates have to overheal him to account for the lack of EPTS, then he's unnecessarily taking heals away from his team.
I've seen the prototypical builds of TSI cruisers healer builds, even thumapp posted one, and they all had EPTS 1 x 2.
The QEW guys in Bops? I also run one copy on my Bops. But that's because I'm in and out under 20 seconds. I alternate TSS or EPTS as needed. Their sci ships ran full aux, and they used those Varanus ships with Ens Eng and LT Eng, so I doubt they needed to use just one copy. Their full aux cruiser healer build examples, from Kharn or Goose that I've seen also had EPTS 1 x 2.
And the times they ran carriers, probably EPTS 1, RSP 1, EPTS3.
I'm glad that he can make that build work for him, I just don't consider it wise to only run one EPTS outside of niche builds.
I've always flown science ships. Transfer shields has always been a more useful skill for team and self healing. I usually take epts1 and aux to Sif 1 as my standard engy slots. If I can fit anything higher i then add an extend 2.
I've always seen it as "if I need more then one epts then any help will be there from the team and if the enemy is focussing on me then that means the team is safe.
I still remember when science team was the king of heal/resist and its from those days I learned how to survive and help out the team.
Do you even Science Bro?
I find it amusing how people who play premades think their so much better than people who don't
***** I never premade in my life not because I don't want to but because hearing of how it's played it gets far too serious and elitist and comments like that are not going to help get more people to PVP or help people get better
You just look like a big head if you came up against me in Kerrat rolling your head over the keyboard really fast like a cow would only get you one place and that's the spawn que and I suck
So just because people play the game differently than you don't think your way is the high way
Plus you had to have learnt somewhere didn't you??or were you just this 'allegedly' good when you were born