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Ram

disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Windows and General: PC, Network, and Other Technical Issues
Might not be the proper place for this but.

I was looking at upgrading my ram from the stock stuff the computer came with.

I found this on newegg and was wondering if anyone has used them before.
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  • spork87spork87 Member Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    its fine but your overpaying for 1333mhz ram on an OEM boared go with value based ram, that kind of ram is preformance ram meant for overclocking.
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    spork87 wrote: »
    its fine but your overpaying for 1333mhz ram on an OEM boared go with value based ram, that kind of ram is preformance ram meant for overclocking.

    Eh the value ram isn't much cheeper. Plus I plan on upgrading the board in the next 2 or 3 months.

    But on the OP you haven't had any issues?
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  • aureleusaureleus Member Posts: 175 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Unless that HP case can take that motherboard *Unlikely* your Also need a new case.
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    aureleus wrote: »
    Unless that HP case can take that motherboard *Unlikely* your Also need a new case.

    Obviously. but the case doesn't enhance performance so the one I use won't matter. I probably have an old ATX case somewhere anyway.

    As it is I'm going for parts that are compatable with what I have now so that I can buy them over time, use them, and when I have all the money I need, build my better PC.

    This will hopefuly save me money in the long run as I can just use the perfectly good bits on the old comp for the new one (HDD CD and such).

    After the MoBo ill be getting a new processor. And since my old processor will fit the board I can still use it while I wait.
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  • agentgreasyagentgreasy Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Ram rarely runs into issues so long as you leave it alone. Messing with voltages and overclocking is where issues come up. Ram, much like... most other electronic components... rarely come from anywhere except for a very specific 3 or 4 places. If the reviews on newegg don't state otherwise, assume that it is a relatively safe thing to buy.

    RAM defects are usually individual sticks, and the frequency is probably in the low 1-3% range on most manufactured defects. Between value and high end, that number probably doesn't change. More often than not, the difference between the two is the clock capabilities and not the ram itself.

    Now, all of that being said, I should note that I mean very specifically the RAM itself is most likely, good. G.Skill isn't a bad manufacturer, and they've in the past scored rather highly on performance metrics.

    However, and this goes for /all/ performance ram, compatibility is a touchy subject. There is no guarantee that high end ram will work in a standard HP motherboard. Matched sticks help, but they don't do anything to guarantee this, either. The problem stems from the reality of the beast: buying a manufactured PC means corners are cut to ensure a reasonable price for the consumer. They did not build the PC to be the best, they built the PC to be reasonably affordable.

    Because of this, the components on the motherboard (Northbridge/Southbridge to be precise), can occasionally throw issues with high end ram. The voltages and clocks required don't tend to blend with bargain controllers. While the processor does not suffer this problem, the board likely will.

    There are compatibility sites around (sorry, I don't feel up to googling), that should tell you whether or not that specific RAM (or even the general model range) will work with your desktop. Be aware though, that if this happens to be the case, Newegg will not refund you because you made a bad choice: the ram wont be defective. If it does not test as such, you may be forfeit of your money.

    Edit: Just as an FYI, what I said above on compatibility is not from a strictly value->value point of view. Higher end RAM behaves differently than standard ram. Because of this, even if every value "matches" the ram (even latencies, voltages, etc), it doesn't necessarily mean it is identical. The hardware on it, is still different, and as such it can respond differently. If the onboard controllers that are mapped to control memory, and the busses that are connected to it, are incapable of handling the different responses, you will have an issue. This is not present in all desktops, but in a reasonable majority it is. Unfortunately, it is also an issue that happens in high performance boards as well (but not as frequently).

    The symptoms are varied, from booting up with memory beeps to booting fine and crashing alot with page errors. It just depends on where the problem is specifically found.

    I would suggest after purchasing, running memtest86 from a bootdisk, and do a full test for a few hours, to make sure you run into no issues.
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Yeah. My biggest worry is the MoBo. I can only find the specs page from hp and its lacking in detail. Newegg says its compatable so I'll just have to trust them.
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    skollulfr wrote: »
    hah, first upgrade you make on an oem machine is the power supply.
    those generic things... lit fuses just waiting to kill every component connected to them. im not kidding around on that, they will kill your gear

    ram is an easy enough upgrade, get the right stick and stack it in the slot. shouldnt cause too many issues even with a generic psu, but i wouldnt take the risk.

    perchase order i use on new builds providing i have the case & peripherals.

    1- the os
    2- psu
    3- cpu mobo bundle
    4- cooling (heatsinks/fans)
    5- ram
    6- gfx card

    in an upgrade from oem its pretty much the same because oem machines typically feature oem os licences that are locked to the main hdd the mobo and the cpu, where replacing either breaks/locks the os.

    be aware of that in your upgrade path.


    I actualy already did.

    Got a psu and gfx card at the same time. Its not a great gfx card but it does free up a little more ram from the onboard one I had.
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  • UnknownUnknown
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    skollulfr wrote: »
    fair enough then.

    once you have your ram getting a new hdd may be the next logical step.

    one way or another it will give you more space, and if the original hdd has that horrible phoenix oem os recovery system(or whatever it was called), it can be the primary drive you install the os to when you put the new board in.

    mobo cpu bundles may be a route for you to investigate.

    but make sure your psu is rated to the stress you will be putting it under, as a rule i took the intended builds max draw & added 30% to the capacity of the psu i installed for people.
    especially with the draw nvidia cards where starting to take a few years ago.

    Thanks for the tips. :) Ill look into weather or not my copy of windows will lock, i was also thingking of using windows 8 but haven't really researched it yet.
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Got the RAM installed it, actualy quite happy Things are quite a bit faster than before.
    As a time traveller, Am I supposed to pack underwear or underwhen?

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