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f2pdrakronf2pdrakron Member Posts: 3,982 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Klingon Discussion
Since I mentioned this on another tread and people appeared to take it with a grain of salt.

Here is a screenshoot of the Bajoran wormhole gain of salt

http://oi47.tinypic.com/zl2nuf.jpg

Its "Rapier" as you can see on my active missions, I opened up "The Long Night" to see how this isnt some technical accident were I have access to Fed missions, contact is S'taass and you can see by the text that is not the same as the Fed mission contact text.
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  • sechserpackungsechserpackung Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    *slowly rocking back and forth*

    Cryptic isn't that terrible
    Cryptic isn't that terrible
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Very disappointing and no surprise really. I bet we will get squat in the terms of c-store items such as costumes too.

    They never change and I wonder how they can think ignoring 1/5th (20%) of their customers for this game is a good idea. *rolls eyes*
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Since I mentioned this on another tread and people appeared to take it with a grain of salt.

    Here is a screenshoot of the Bajoran wormhole gain of salt

    http://oi47.tinypic.com/zl2nuf.jpg

    Its "Rapier" as you can see on my active missions, I opened up "The Long Night" to see how this isnt some technical accident were I have access to Fed missions, contact is S'taass and you can see by the text that is not the same as the Fed mission contact text.

    Wait, I'm confused. Rapier and The Long Night are two different missions. Are you saying these are those two missions, just Klinkified? Klingoned? K-Deffed?

    If so, the level ladder may finally get fixed. By taking all of that Fed content and painting it Qo'Nos red.
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  • jheinigjheinig Member Posts: 364 Cryptic Developer
    edited April 2013
    Play "Rapier" again. Use a cloaking device.
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  • burstdragon323burstdragon323 Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    So, are we getting re-painted FED content for the KDF leveling experience?

    *slowly rocking back and forth*

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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    discovered this the other day when my kdf was trapped on DS9. i couldn't help but lol. couldn't actually play any of them to see if they were 99% copypaste or not though, again my character was trapped on DS9:rolleyes:
  • burstdragon323burstdragon323 Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I want another Fek'lhr story arc! I want to know if the demons were real, or were they Iconian constructs created for KDF Psycological Warfare?
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    So, are we getting re-painted FED content for the KDF leveling experience?

    *slowly rocking back and forth*

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    Cryptic hates KDF....
    Cryptic hates KDF....

    It's funny, because every time people started talking about how to make Klingons a 1 to 50 faction, converting the Fd missions that made sense was right on top of the list. Now they've done that people are complaining...
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  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I'm actually happy we are getting the DS9 story missions. Finally Access to such items as the Polarized Tetryons. I wonder if we are getting Preemptive Strike. that would make me happy.

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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    walshicus wrote: »
    It's funny, because every time people started talking about how to make Klingons a 1 to 50 faction, converting the Fd missions that made sense was right on top of the list. Now they've done that people are complaining...

    I never wanted Fed missions, if I did I would just play my Federation characters. What I was after were Klingon missions like a continuation of the Fek'lhri arc, Klingon house rivalry missions and so forth not copy and paste Fed missions which to start with are pretty poor. :rolleyes:

    Now if their word could be trusted and they promised to phase out the Fed and FE TRIBBLE with genuine KDF created missions like the Fek'lhri missions and Alpha I think a lot of KDF fans might be able to swallow it more.

    That could also go with actually making an effort to make the missions more Klingon. Like Rapier instead of rescuing the Federation ship you seize it, kill both Federation and Dominion alike and take the vessel back to the Empire, perhaps even an added part at the end where you need to fight your way past DS9.

    The excuse for the state of the Romulans were they wanted to focus on the FED/KDF war, rescuing a Federation ship in a KDF mission from an old enemy (Dominion) certainly doesn't qualify as a war, more just an excuse for the PR expansion. Seems Cryptic is just up to their old tricks again, taking shortcuts and not giving a flying damn about their customers.

    They keep implying we should care about what they do when they don't care about what their customers want, people who pay them a wage and keep the game going. So if they don't give a hoot about this game why should we continue to do so?

    I say if they are just going to take shortcuts like this don't bother I'd rather have the KDF as it is with the proud 18% and few rehashed missions from the Federation side rather than 9 out of 40 odd KDF missions being unique. I'd rather the ratio as it is now.

    Now if they want to be more clearer and actually tell us that the rehashed Fed content is only a certain percentage of the new missions the KDF are going to be getting a low percentage at that, and they are also making a decent effort to actually change this missions (not just the text) to be more KDF then I'll happily take back this post.

    Yes I am trying to wait till May before any final judgements but Cryptic ain't making it easy when they pull stunts like this. :rolleyes:
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Well, in principle I actually don't have a problem with missions converted for the KDF...when it makes sense.
    Fighting the True Way, that makes sense.
    They are an enemy of the Empire and we run into them as early as the "Empire Defense" missions.

    Rescuing a Federation prototype starship...that doesn't make sense.
    At least not while there's a war going on and on top of that this war is used as a reason to explain why the Romulans have to chose which other faction to align with.:confused:

    So, sorry but make use save a Klingon starship and we've in business.
    But this way it feels even more fake than...chewing on a rubber banana.:(
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Well, in principle I actually don't have a problem with missions converted for the KDF...when it makes sense.
    Fighting the True Way, that makes sense.
    They are an enemy of the Empire and we run into them as early as the "Empire Defense" missions.

    Rescuing a Federation prototype starship...that doesn't make sense.
    At least not while there's a war going on and on top of that this war is used as a reason to explain why the Romulans have to chose which other faction to align with.:confused:

    So, sorry but make use save a Klingon starship and we've in business.
    But this way it feels even more fake than...chewing on a rubber banana.:(

    I have to agree. Copy pasting is fine if the full revamp to make a c/p truelly KDF in flavor but sloppy paste is just poor work.
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  • malkarrismalkarris Member Posts: 797 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The only way the cardie missions would make sense of any kind without major edits is if they take place right before the diplomatic mission at the start of the 4800 series. Some orion or someone managed to convince the KDF into helping the federation out so that they feel more welcome at the Borg summit.

    That said, that is the flimsist excuse I have ever seen, let alone written. At this point, just end the farce. Revamp the end of the undine mission to have the FED and KDF make up, make it clear that all the current story missions take place in the "past" and have the attacks on the starbase by FED or KDF forces be made by rogue fleets or Undine, or better yet, take those forces out of the random enemy generator period.

    Or for KDF who want the FEDs to suffer, maybe not make the two factions at peace, but just not be at war. Gives you a threadbare excuse for PvP if nothing else.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Missions reworked for a Klingon perspective like instead of rescuing the ship you destroy it or take it's plans or take the ship for Imperial Intelligence to study is fine with me, but the cheap and as Roach said sloppy cut and paste isn't a good idea.

    Whoever thought that was a good idea needs to find himself a new job outside the industry, maybe a checkout operator or postman would be better suited for those skills.

    I really do hope they actually make an effort I am also wondering if the Nimbus adventure zone mentioned by Dan Stahl will be a Federation written zone (like New Romulus) and made cross factional.

    I do think the newer content isn't as good as what came before it. Defera was pretty good and made sense for both factions. Even the newer lock box ships aren't as good as the early ones. I think they need to take a break, take a few months off I'd rather wait for quality content than rushed poorly done content.

    Bring on the Hur'Q and Fek'lhri for the Empire. ;)
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I like the fact they attempted to give us content and save themselves building time by copy/pasting some of the fed missions.
    I dislike that they could not keep continuity of the games storyline or change those aspects of the missions that are still very much fed in design and response.
    I will still create new KDF toons and play the new content with joy (looking forward to low level PvP) but I am very letdown that they could not take that extra step to give them that true KDF finish where needed to show they cared.
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  • theparanoidtheparanoid Member Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I have to agree. Copy pasting is fine if the full revamp to make a c/p truelly KDF in flavor but sloppy paste is just poor work.

    yup this would been ok had it been done in back in season 2. But to wait till know to do a lazy sloppy copy and pasted effort. IT seems very clearly the higher ups at Cryptic hate the KDF that or the company filled with the laziest developers of all time.

    I say the second is highly unlikley so it got to be first. It the only reason for the KDF to get the shaft time and time again.

    Had they cared about the KDF then the KDF would gotten the 1-50 treatment before announcing a third faction.

    It seems it clear why there been little talk about the KDF. it because the minimal effort is going into the faction.
  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I have yet to play it, but I too would hope we're in there to rescue the KDF ship, or capture the Fed ship.

    Oh and I only saw one person complaining... at first.

    For me, retooling missions is the only way to fill in those gaps in our leveling - so long as the color, text, and completion methods reflect the Klingons retake on those same situations. I would *especially* like to see the text and goals designed to see things in the light of the Empire's reason for war - revealing the Undine plots behind missions the Feddies undertake, or the Klingon plots that caused those situations - not just a KDF paint job.

    This could be a wonderful chance not to repeat the story but expand it. Hopefully this weekend I'll be able to play through some of the new content on a transferred character and see if they took that chance first hand. Or if the oft quoted "18%" really is a reference to effort, not population. ;)
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Well, it seems this is our purpose.

    http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/5921/rapierbriefing.jpg

    I'll try this one out now.
    Let's hope we all jumped the gun this time.:o
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Rescuing a Federation prototype starship...that doesn't make sense.

    A long as it's made clear in the final mission dialogue windows that you have indeed captured the ship, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Ah, the price for letting the KDF near DS9 under the banner of a temporary truce. :P

    It'll be interesting to see if any of the Romulan Front missions get added, since a fair amount of those can easily be converted without much change. Hell, even "Divide et Impera" would work better as a KDF mission, what with the wholesale Romulan slaughter.

    Just change the opening of the mission so that when you beam aboard, you have Admiral Zelle surrounded by Romulans, with dead Starfleet officers scattered about the area, suggesting that the strike team failed and were killed.
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Well with all the work being put into the Romulan faction, I do expect to see some copy & paste work to bloat up the KDF content across 50 levels. I'll be fine with it if it makes sense, but I do hope to see some custom made KDF only content.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    amosov78 wrote: »
    It'll be interesting to see if any of the Romulan Front missions get added, since a fair amount of those can easily be converted without much change. Hell, even "Divide et Impera" would work better as a KDF mission, what with the wholesale Romulan slaughter.

    "Divide et Impera", with all due respect, is by far the biggest trash I've read and the worst mission ever.
    It doesn't work for anyone. It would only make sense if I beam down a team of 5 Hortas to join the admiral. And even they might figure out what's going on. :rolleyes:
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    amosov78 wrote: »
    A long as it's made clear in the final mission dialogue windows that you have indeed captured the ship, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Ah, the price for letting the KDF near DS9 under the banner of a temporary truce. :P

    Nope, you give the ship back to them.
    Your supposed technical readouts of the ship (that can be cursory at best given they last...minutes) are enough of a reward for fleet command.

    http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/7466/rapierend1.jpg
    http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/6163/rapierend2.jpg
    http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/9757/rapierend3.jpg
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    ...and now my character is trapped on DS9 without any option to beam out.
    That was it for me then.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    discovered this the other day when my kdf was trapped on DS9. i couldn't help but lol. couldn't actually play any of them to see if they were 99% copypaste or not though, again my character was trapped on DS9:rolleyes:
    misterde3 wrote: »
    ...and now my character is trapped on DS9 without any option to beam out.
    That was it for me then.

    It must be the Federation's subtle way of telling us that we're not wellcomed at DS9 any more. :rolleyes: Either that or they want to take us as prisoners! :eek:
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  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Hmm...how about we help out the devs by writing up a set of replacement text? Maybe if the kdfers wrote it, we could at least make it sound klingon (such as when you rescue the fed ship, you have text saying the boarding parties took the ship with no trouble and ripped the juicy tech out of the fed ship before leaving it to rot as a depowered hull, ect)

    As it seems astoundingly hard for them to make a mission sound klingon, maybe providing them with a script they could copy-paste in might be a way forward...

    ..just a thought, mind
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    It must be the Federation's subtle way of telling us that we're not wellcomed at DS9 any more. :rolleyes: Either that or they want to take us as prisoners! :eek:

    It's not just DS9, believe me.
    The beam-out button is greyed out everywhere.
    The only way I could get out of the homeworld's orbit or the shipyard was to get around this problem.
    So I beamed to the academy and then into Sector Space directly from there.

    So the message would be no "Klingons on Tribble" actually.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Nope, you give the ship back to them.
    Your supposed technical readouts of the ship (that can be cursory at best given they last...minutes) are enough of a reward for fleet command.

    http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/7466/rapierend1.jpg
    http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/6163/rapierend2.jpg
    http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/9757/rapierend3.jpg

    So capture if possible, destroy if neccassary actually meant take pictires and give back?

    Thats a sad sloppy paste job .
    Im happy we got the effort of completion of the KDF.
    Im sad that it once again was not a full effort. Its the little thngs that make a story, Cryptic.
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