Try to absorb this into your mind. There are supposedly 2 million people playing STO. Less that 1/10 of 1% of those people post on the forum. You could get 10,000 people on this forum to agree with you and it still would only be 0.5% of the total player-base agreeing.
Yes, there are lots of people who hate the STO story. There are lots of people who hate the look of some ships. There are lots of people who hate lots of different things, but that doesn't mean they are the majority of people or that they speak for everyone on the forum, let alone in the whole game.
sorry I don't believe till cryptic them self say they have a mill or 2 mill ppl playing this game
I would just like to say I enjoy the stories in STO.
Also, the Tal Shiar has been the enemies of the Romulan people since TNG which is confirmed when Troi is abducted and poses as a Romulan Major in the organization.
The Romulan military did not work with the Tal Shiar out of loyalty, they worked with them out of fear.
I would just like to say I enjoy the stories in STO.
Also, the Tal Shiar has been the enemies of the Romulan people since TNG which is confirmed when Troi is abducted and poses as a Romulan Major in the organization.
The Romulan military did not work with the Tal Shiar out of loyalty, they worked with them out of fear.
The Tal Shiar is the elite intelligence agency of the Romulan Star Empire. It is a highly-respected and feared force in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Its purpose is guarding the security of the Empire, both from the Romulans' interstellar enemies - most notably the United Federation of Planets and the Klingon Empire - as well as from traitors within the Romulan population itself. The covert, often invisible presence of the Tal Shiar keeps the general populace in a constant state of paranoia. Dissent and dissatisfaction with the status quo are met with severe punishment and often dissidents have been known to "disappear".
Try to absorb this into your mind. There are supposedly 2 million people playing STO. Less that 1/10 of 1% of those people post on the forum. You could get 10,000 people on this forum to agree with you and it still would only be 0.5% of the total player-base agreeing.
Yes, there are lots of people who hate the STO story. There are lots of people who hate the look of some ships. There are lots of people who hate lots of different things, but that doesn't mean they are the majority of people or that they speak for everyone on the forum, let alone in the whole game.
And yet they decided to put in Romulans based on an (incredibly biased) forum poll?
sorry don't sound like bad guys to me sounds like the C.I.A. and that EP you talk of is a joke that is a feds view on it not a romulan view
The C.I.A. is an intelligence gathering organization, not secret police. The real world analogue is an organization like the K.G.B. And yeah, most people would say the K.G.B. were bad guys, most especially people who lived under their heel in the Soviet Union.
The C.I.A. is an intelligence gathering organization, not secret police. The real world analogue is an organization like the K.G.B. And yeah, most people would say the K.G.B. were bad guys, most especially people who lived under their heel in the Soviet Union.
The Tal Shiar is the elite intelligence agency of the Romulan Star Empire. It is a highly-respected and feared force in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Its purpose is guarding the security of the Empire, both from the Romulans' interstellar enemies - most notably the United Federation of Planets and the Klingon Empire - as well as from traitors within the Romulan population itself. The covert, often invisible presence of the Tal Shiar keeps the general populace in a constant state of paranoia. Dissent and dissatisfaction with the status quo are met with severe punishment and often dissidents have been known to "disappear".
sorry don't sound like bad guys to me sounds like the C.I.A. and that EP you talk of is a joke that is a feds view on it not a romulan view
The closest analogy is not the CIA it would be the Gestapo, the KGB, the NKVD, the Stasi...I can keep going but anyone who knows history will back me up on that. My two degrees in history do help in thorny internet debates like this.
Technically it's all an online simulation, but in game immersion it's not all war games. FvF and KvK in capture the flag is a wargame. The KvK house of Duras is civil war/blood feud. Ker'rat and other resource war maps are not wargames, they are fed vs. KDF warring. The roles are set by the PvP mission queue. With the aromulans, the same is technically true, but since we'll have no option to stand together and fight the other two factions to protect our own interests, there is a unique situation and a first precedent never seen in the STO PvP system.
And to the smallest degree, there are already some signs that its causing some tension between would be Romulan players. I have a friend who will join his KDF fleet. I belong to an established fed fleet and that's where I'll be latching my toon.
I started this thread to get an idea of how this will play out in PvP queues I'm holding my reservations, concerns and speculations about the general implementation of the Romulan faction, but you can see how there might be some things that still might need ironing out.
For me, it's personal belief. The Klingons seem too me to be an honest and supurior choice. While their ships may not be as well refined as federation starships, Romulan might can bring the refinement into the fray. But, Klingon starships are very effective, and very savage, and as a warrior nation, they're pilots and warriors are well trained. they are worthy in my opinion, and can help the Romulans in their time of need, as they have before. And as for the future of Romulans and new Romulus?
Well, for all those romulans who haven't decided. Take a look at the federation, all the member societies. I don't see Vulcans flying many vulcan warships. I do not see many Andorians flying Andorian warships. I see many many different species, calling themselves something they are not, flying ships which are not theres. A Romulan in a federation ship, or even a federation fleet? That is hypocrisy at it's finest. A Romulan in starfleet, whether Republican or Tal'Shiar Agent matters not. They are no longer Romulan, they are federation.
And if any Romulan shows up in a Chell'Grett warship, I will personally ram my bow down they're fragile piece of scrap...
I AM THE HARBINGER OF HOPE!
I AM THE SWORD OF THE RIGHTOUS!
So when you are getting fired upon and blown out of space by another Rom player you won't defend yourself by firing back because that would be treason.
You won't shoot at the traitors that are shooting you.
Good to know. Please name all your Rom ships "The Sitting Duck" so all the Rom players know what an easy target you will be.
If need be I will Quaker you (and trust me in this game you CAN Quaker someone out of action very very easily)
Also remember that I very rarely PVP and when I do its usually in my Klingon side Battle cruiser (which oddly does not fire on other Klingons)
I noticed a discussion on if Section 31 were bad guys
the answer is yep
they are extremely evil people among the scum of the Galaxy
There are few organisations even SLIGHTLY as twisted
The Obsidian Order is of course nastier
Almost no one else comes close
I regard section 31 as the greatest threat to the Federation (worse than the Borg)
I will open fire on anyone including Romulan, who is standing in the way of achieving my ultimate goal and that is, to help create the new Romulan Star Empire, yes I realize we are far away from that but we have to begin somewhere. No individual is above RSA.
even me a romulan bro ? :P that ok if I see you I will just cloak and hide and wait for the time to kill them KDF but keep in mind I will not fire on you even tho you may on me
PVP is just a sport, similar to chess, and i love chess.
the longer i think about it = really should be done cross faction.
You could still make "Romulan only" or "Fed only", even "mixed" teams with friends, and the "allegiance" would not matter.
And I agree with tenkari - if it's sollvax, I'm DEFINITELY shooting that troll-crewed warbird down.
Defiant was crewed on several occasions by changelings
also at least one Genie
plus a cyborg and a couple of Cardassions on different occasions
And lets face it the chances of either of you shooting me down or even encountering me in game are smaller than your chances of rage quitting when the Defiant cloak is removed
Defiant was crewed on several occasions by changelings
also at least one Genie
plus a cyborg and a couple of Cardassions on different occasions
And lets face it the chances of either of you shooting me down or even encountering me in game are smaller than your chances of rage quitting when the Defiant cloak is removed
yes, its highly unlikely we will ever see eachother... doesnt mean im not going to do it should i run into you.
Defiant was crewed on several occasions by changelings
also at least one Genie
plus a cyborg and a couple of Cardassions on different occasions
And lets face it the chances of either of you shooting me down or even encountering me in game are smaller than your chances of rage quitting when the Defiant cloak is removed
A genie and a cyborg?
By the way, Cardassions don't exist, even in the ST universe. Cardassians, however... :rolleyes:
Also, I barely even USE the cloaking device on my Defiant, and my other two characters (Klingon and Federation respectively) don't even have cloak-capable ships. So yeah, I'm not sure the chances of me meeting you are lower than me ragequitting over this extremely unlikely scenario. :P
Well, the fed vs. fed pvp is just a scenario, same with klink vs. klink, but fed vs. klink would be the real thing, so fighting another romulan in a fed vs. klink pvp would actually be fighting them, not in a scenario, but any romulan that joins the kdf in my opinion shall get blasted to a pulp if I see them in a pvp, because the feds rule!:D
It's been decided that at end-game level, a player on the Romulan faction, must choose to permanently ally themselves to one of the existing factions.
If I find myself in PvP I will definitely have no qualms firing on a Klingon or Federation ship, but I have no interest in fighting my own people. Will you fire on a Romulan ship?
I will do my utmost to not allow any other ship to fire on me first. :cool:
The Tal Shiar is the elite intelligence agency of the Romulan Star Empire. It is a highly-respected and feared force in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Its purpose is guarding the security of the Empire, both from the Romulans' interstellar enemies - most notably the United Federation of Planets and the Klingon Empire - as well as from traitors within the Romulan population itself. The covert, often invisible presence of the Tal Shiar keeps the general populace in a constant state of paranoia. Dissent and dissatisfaction with the status quo are met with severe punishment and often dissidents have been known to "disappear".
sorry don't sound like bad guys to me sounds like the C.I.A. and that EP you talk of is a joke that is a feds view on it not a romulan view
That episode was not from a FED point of view. The many comments, fears and concerns around the Tal Shiar came from ROMULAN officers, notably Cmdr Toreth.
I don't need to read your link. I have been watching and reading about Star Trek for years. If you think the Tal Shiar, an autonomous secret police/intel agency is like the CIA you have no idea what you are talking about.
The Tal Shiar was never liked by Romulans. The fact is they were so powerful that they could not do anything about them.
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Defiant was crewed on several occasions by changelings
also at least one Genie
plus a cyborg and a couple of Cardassions on different occasions
And lets face it the chances of either of you shooting me down or even encountering me in game are smaller than your chances of rage quitting when the Defiant cloak is removed
A genie and a cyborg?
Nog is a Cyborg
Bashir is a Genie (Genetically re-engineered)
By the way, Cardassions don't exist, even in the ST universe. Cardassians, however...
Sometimes I make typos
Im old
Humour me
Also, I barely even USE the cloaking device on my Defiant, and my other two characters (Klingon and Federation respectively) don't even have cloak-capable ships. So yeah, I'm not sure the chances of me meeting you are lower than me ragequitting over this extremely unlikely scenario.
Ah but when its taken away
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I would not bet on it
Im actually very good at Quakering
Just what is 'Quakering', anyway?
Quakers are a religious sect who do not believe in violence even in self defence
But they can fight in other ways (check out the film "persuasion" )
Quakering is a methodology developed to fight without weapons.
options include Sci powers
Environmental damage
Hull to hull
Road runner
And Decoy
its possible to continually cripple or long term disable a ship with these methods
and when you finally DO explode you do it touching the enemy
Plus remember just because I won't fire on a Romulan does not mean I won't turn your team into swiss cheese
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sorry I don't believe till cryptic them self say they have a mill or 2 mill ppl playing this game
system Lord Baal is dead
Also, the Tal Shiar has been the enemies of the Romulan people since TNG which is confirmed when Troi is abducted and poses as a Romulan Major in the organization.
The Romulan military did not work with the Tal Shiar out of loyalty, they worked with them out of fear.
you can count the number of players, look at the zones and the number of people averaged in them
The Tal Shiar is the elite intelligence agency of the Romulan Star Empire. It is a highly-respected and feared force in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Its purpose is guarding the security of the Empire, both from the Romulans' interstellar enemies - most notably the United Federation of Planets and the Klingon Empire - as well as from traitors within the Romulan population itself. The covert, often invisible presence of the Tal Shiar keeps the general populace in a constant state of paranoia. Dissent and dissatisfaction with the status quo are met with severe punishment and often dissidents have been known to "disappear".
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tal_Shiar do some reading
sorry don't sound like bad guys to me sounds like the C.I.A. and that EP you talk of is a joke that is a feds view on it not a romulan view
system Lord Baal is dead
And yet they decided to put in Romulans based on an (incredibly biased) forum poll?
The C.I.A. is an intelligence gathering organization, not secret police. The real world analogue is an organization like the K.G.B. And yeah, most people would say the K.G.B. were bad guys, most especially people who lived under their heel in the Soviet Union.
then section 31 is bad guys to
system Lord Baal is dead
The closest analogy is not the CIA it would be the Gestapo, the KGB, the NKVD, the Stasi...I can keep going but anyone who knows history will back me up on that. My two degrees in history do help in thorny internet debates like this.
Did you watch Deep Space Nine? Section 31 was most definitely the bad guys.
Have you played the game?! Section 31 are unquestionably villains.
I played them mission 3 times and read them 3 years ago so forgive me if I don't most of this story off hand like I do the show and yes I saw DS9
system Lord Baal is dead
For me, it's personal belief. The Klingons seem too me to be an honest and supurior choice. While their ships may not be as well refined as federation starships, Romulan might can bring the refinement into the fray. But, Klingon starships are very effective, and very savage, and as a warrior nation, they're pilots and warriors are well trained. they are worthy in my opinion, and can help the Romulans in their time of need, as they have before. And as for the future of Romulans and new Romulus?
Well, for all those romulans who haven't decided. Take a look at the federation, all the member societies. I don't see Vulcans flying many vulcan warships. I do not see many Andorians flying Andorian warships. I see many many different species, calling themselves something they are not, flying ships which are not theres. A Romulan in a federation ship, or even a federation fleet? That is hypocrisy at it's finest. A Romulan in starfleet, whether Republican or Tal'Shiar Agent matters not. They are no longer Romulan, they are federation.
And if any Romulan shows up in a Chell'Grett warship, I will personally ram my bow down they're fragile piece of scrap...
I AM THE SWORD OF THE RIGHTOUS!
It won't be
Frankly you will NEVER see me I promise (and if you do it will be AFTER you explode)
If need be I will Quaker you (and trust me in this game you CAN Quaker someone out of action very very easily)
Also remember that I very rarely PVP and when I do its usually in my Klingon side Battle cruiser (which oddly does not fire on other Klingons)
I noticed a discussion on if Section 31 were bad guys
the answer is yep
they are extremely evil people among the scum of the Galaxy
There are few organisations even SLIGHTLY as twisted
The Obsidian Order is of course nastier
Almost no one else comes close
I regard section 31 as the greatest threat to the Federation (worse than the Borg)
PVP is just a sport, similar to chess, and i love chess.
the longer i think about it = really should be done cross faction.
You could still make "Romulan only" or "Fed only", even "mixed" teams with friends, and the "allegiance" would not matter.
So the Defiant is an Undine ship... :rolleyes:
And I agree with tenkari - if it's sollvax, I'm DEFINITELY shooting that troll-crewed warbird down.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Defiant was crewed on several occasions by changelings
also at least one Genie
plus a cyborg and a couple of Cardassions on different occasions
And lets face it the chances of either of you shooting me down or even encountering me in game are smaller than your chances of rage quitting when the Defiant cloak is removed
yes, its highly unlikely we will ever see eachother... doesnt mean im not going to do it should i run into you.
Im actually very good at Quakering
My thoughts exactly.
A genie and a cyborg?
By the way, Cardassions don't exist, even in the ST universe. Cardassians, however... :rolleyes:
Also, I barely even USE the cloaking device on my Defiant, and my other two characters (Klingon and Federation respectively) don't even have cloak-capable ships. So yeah, I'm not sure the chances of me meeting you are lower than me ragequitting over this extremely unlikely scenario. :P
Just what is 'Quakering', anyway?
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I will do my utmost to not allow any other ship to fire on me first. :cool:
Strike First, strike hard. :mad:
That episode was not from a FED point of view. The many comments, fears and concerns around the Tal Shiar came from ROMULAN officers, notably Cmdr Toreth.
I don't need to read your link. I have been watching and reading about Star Trek for years. If you think the Tal Shiar, an autonomous secret police/intel agency is like the CIA you have no idea what you are talking about.
The Tal Shiar was never liked by Romulans. The fact is they were so powerful that they could not do anything about them.
Nog is a Cyborg
Bashir is a Genie (Genetically re-engineered)
Sometimes I make typos
Im old
Humour me
Ah but when its taken away
Quakers are a religious sect who do not believe in violence even in self defence
But they can fight in other ways (check out the film "persuasion" )
Quakering is a methodology developed to fight without weapons.
options include Sci powers
Environmental damage
Hull to hull
Road runner
And Decoy
its possible to continually cripple or long term disable a ship with these methods
and when you finally DO explode you do it touching the enemy
Plus remember just because I won't fire on a Romulan does not mean I won't turn your team into swiss cheese
^^^THIS!^^
I'd be a fool to not fire and wait to be fired upon! :eek:
I'm responsible for the lives of my crew after all.