Considering that the KDF ship types are Raider (Bird of Prey), Raptor, and Battle Cruiser, then KDF should get a 3-pack version of the Raider and Raptor before Feds get another 3-pack. Although, having a KDF counterpart of the Vesta being the Raptor version is also good.
Considering that the KDF ship types are Raider (Bird of Prey), Raptor, and Battle Cruiser, then KDF should get a 3-pack version of the Raider and Raptor before Feds get another 3-pack. Although, having a KDF counterpart of the Vesta being the Raptor version is also good.
Heh. It'd be cool if the KDF just got ONE new ship. That wasn't a battle cruiser. A 3-pack is pie in the sky.
Chimera has a much larger crew, more flexible BOff stations, better hull and device slots.
Defiant has better turn rate, shield mod and an extra tactical console slot.
So to answer the question: In general, Destroyers are slightly larger and slightly less maneuverable when compared most Escorts while being somewhat more durable and considerably more flexible in role.
At least in the case of the Chimera. I see no reason that would not remain true in the case of any future Destroyer 3-pack release.
I suppose if the Devs wanted to take a budget sound approach they could simply use the Chimera model.
The current Chimera would be the Vet reward. Animation, powers and everything stays the same.
The new Chimera would have the usual equipment set from the 3-packs and maybe a few customization options. None of the animations or powers the Vet version has.
Look for a three pack of Romulan cruisers, a three pack of Romulan science ships, and a three pack of Romulan escorts in the C Store in May. Don't look for any new Federation ships for a while.
No offense but this is were drain comes, firing 5 DHCs will put a strain were the only way you can get then to fire at 125 is by using a battery or being a Eng and use a captain ability otherwise you are not going to sustain all weapons at 125, you get one at that and by the 3rd its going to drop under 100.
Also +26% base damage was at minimum since you can just buy or craft Blue Mk XI consoles and that is per shoot.
Those are not "simple facts", a Fleet Defiant is a 5 tac console ship were every Phaser it have is buffed 26%, you math is simply based on "1 DHC vs 1 turret" since thats it, of course the DHC is going to hit for more but also drain more, pure burst a Kumari should out-DPS a Fleet Defiant but that assuming Tac buffing and batteries, the others I am not so sure if the DHC can offset a turret in pure damage with one less Tac console.
Seriously, unequip the fifth tac console and you'll see for yourself how little the difference will be in your DPS numbers. The boost you get from a DHC over a turret is significantly larger.
And spreaking of power drain: DHCs are actually very modest drainers compared to every other energy weapon. You shouldn't have trouble with the wep power on the Kumari line of ships if you have no trouble with power on your usual 4 forward weapon slots ships. (Note: There's always the Omega adapted set 2-part bonus you can use.)
There are other factors if we go into a vs fight as the Fleet Defiant is more capable of "tanking" and also have superior turn rate, 5 DHCs are nothing if it stays off the firing arc and if it stays off the firing arc you are pretty much only hitting with 2 turrets.
Of course a fight between the 2 ships is not what I discuss. What I'm trying to say is that the same player with the same build (yeah, there's the Defiant's trouble with ensign tac boff slot...) will be able to destroy say a Borg transformer faster in an Andorian ship than the Fleet Defiant.
(A match between the two should be: Defiant decloaks, alpha kills the Kumari. Kumari respawns, Defiant is already cloaked again. Situation repeats itself.)
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
They need to come out with a new 3 pack of ships every week.
This way.. and I've said this before:
The fed players can get all the great new shinies... weekly.. and eventually they won't be able to afford their internet bills, and be shut down! .. Then I could enjoy some game time. lol
Seemingly by the logic shown a Regular destroyer is either smaller than a standard Escort (closer to a Klink BoP) or larger (closer to a Raptor), with cannon-heavy armament (and beam viability in the case of the heavy destroyers.
At the moment Feds have 3 officially classified Destroyers available: The Aquarius, the Chimera, and the Mobius. The Bug could theoretically be classed as a Destroyer, as possibly the Breen ship.
Practically speaking there's almost no difference between a destroyer and a standard Fed Escort, except perhaps the Heavy Destroyers (Chimmy/Penghu) and maybe the Breen ship (if you consider it a destroyer). Those ships have lower turn rate and higher crew, but have cannons and a stronger tactical layout than cruisers or science vessels. Klink Raptors erode the difference somewhat, but for Feds they're fairly unique.
But the main commonality between all the destroyers vs. the escorts is the presence of Universal Boff stations. This adds a level of versatility to the proceedings.
So, under these definations, wouldn't the Andorian "Escort" count actually as a destroyer?
So, under these definations, wouldn't the Andorian "Escort" count actually as a destroyer?
Most of the Fed escorts are in fact medium to heavy cruisers (everything but the Defiant, Saber and Aquarius pattern ships), but since Cryptic needed an arbitrary class delineation, they got labeled as "escorts"
Most of the Fed escorts are in fact medium to heavy cruisers (everything but the Defiant, Saber and Aquarius pattern ships), but since Cryptic needed an arbitrary class delineation, they got labeled as "escorts"
So if Cryptic decides to say "hey, let us rename the Andorian 'escorts' to 'destroyers'", would that not nullify the point of this thread?
So if Cryptic decides to say "hey, let us rename the Andorian 'escorts' to 'destroyers'", would that not nullify the point of this thread?
They should be classed as destroyers as they are not really a "glass cannon". I've seen these Andorian escorts with hull up to 44k+, 2K more than a standard issue Odyssey hull. Plus they have a shield modifier 0.1 less than the Galaxy - X Dreadnaught.
They should be classed as destroyers as they are not really a "glass cannon". I've seen these Andorian escorts with hull up to 44k+, 2K more than a standard issue Odyssey hull. Plus they have a shield modifier 0.1 less than the Galaxy - X Dreadnought.
Therefore, the Federation already has the destroyer 3 pack by way of the Andorian "escorts" and by extension, renders this thread (for all intents and purposes) spam. Good day then gentlemen. :cool:
Chimera has a much larger crew, more flexible BOff stations, better hull and device slots.
Defiant has better turn rate, shield mod and an extra tactical console slot.
So to answer the question: In general, Destroyers are slightly larger and slightly less maneuverable when compared most Escorts while being somewhat more durable and considerably more flexible in role.
At least in the case of the Chimera. I see no reason that would not remain true in the case of any future Destroyer 3-pack release.
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Corrected stats on Chimera.
And thus by dimensions, the Andorian 'escorts' are bigger than the Defiant by a 'small margin' as well has having a slightly worse turn rate than the Defiant. Comparing crew of 50 on the Defiant vs 85 on the Kumari, the Kumari has the larger crew. And the universal lt boff station is also shared by the Kumari and the Chimera.
SCM - Infected(S) - DMG Out: 11,776,567 DPS: 114,224.70 (28.7% of Team) - Pinky@ukcaptain420 I reserve the right to have a completely different standpoint depending on my mood.
There's no point in offering the KDF any 3-packs because they won't buy them and Cryptic won't recoup any of the development costs. Why waste the time and effort to offer something that won't be accepted or even purchased?
There's no point in offering the KDF any 3-packs because they won't buy them and Cryptic won't recoup any of the development costs. Why waste the time and effort to offer something that won't be accepted or even purchased?
The Chimera's tenth console is integrated into the ship itself as it transforms into two variations (offensive and defensive) modes. At least this is what I have read thus far and yes it is debatable. Id personally prefer a tenth console as the offensive mode does not last very long and limits you to using phasers o ly on this ship.
:rolleyes:
"The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward." - Rocky Balboa (2006)
The Chimera's tenth console is integrated into the ship itself as it transforms into two variations (offensive and defensive) modes. At least this is what I have read thus far and yes it is debatable. Id personally prefer a tenth console as the offensive mode does not last very long and limits you to using phasers o ly on this ship.
:rolleyes:
Those transformations are possible when you equip a Chimera special console in one of the 9 console slots. It's not an integrated ability as is the Lance on the Galaxy-X, or the Guramba's Javelin.
Btw, I very much expected the Chimera and the Peghqu' to spawn the "tactical 3-packs". After all, they have the same Boff layout as the Odyssey/Bortasqu' and the Vesta. The fact they didn't do that is sure pleasant for the LTS and 1000-day vets.
On the other hand, I'm not overly happy about this Kumari line. The original Kumari looks much better (just saw an episode with it on TV today), and I'm not a fan of these 5 forward slots that the KDF will probably never get.
Either way, please do some KDF ships first and only then we can discuss another FED 3-pack.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
There's no point in offering the KDF any 3-packs because they won't buy them and Cryptic won't recoup any of the development costs. Why waste the time and effort to offer something that won't be accepted or even purchased?
I also would be interested in purchasing a KDF 3-pack. I didn't buy the bortas pack because the ship didn't suit my KDF characters' playstyle, although when I create a KDF Engineer I might consider it. However, I would totally go for a 3-pack Gorn science/fleet support pack or a tactical pack (raptor, battlecruiser, destroyer, or maybe even bop) offering 5 forward weapons slots or AT LEAST an option on one of the variants to have 5 tactical consoles. There are now three Federation escorts with this option but only one Klingon cruiser...a very slow cruiser...with them.
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Yup, me too. Unless it's as hideous as the Guramba (and/or transforms in a similar way).
EDIT: Oh, and I'm buying the Bortasqu' pack in the next ship sale. I want to make that ship work ("go" ).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
There's no point in offering the KDF any 3-packs because they won't buy them and Cryptic won't recoup any of the development costs. Why waste the time and effort to offer something that won't be accepted or even purchased?
I would be interested if they didn't make it lousy like the Bortasqu, the Bortasqu is inferior just about every way to the Odyssey and every other Battlecruiser cept for having most tac consoles which does it little good.
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I have a build for a Bortasqu that I'm wanting to try. I will buy the three pack one day...
1. I'm a poor student with no job and freelance work is going slow.
2. I dont see the point putting any more money into this game until more KDF content is released. (Copypasta fed missions is not KDF content, either is a revamped tutorial).
How about no? How about some more diversity instead of yet another freaking gunship? How about a fed ship with dual hangars and lots of engineering boffs for a true support ship? How about a KDF raider with a 5/1 weapon layout and 5 tac consoles for an ultimate hit-and-run ship? Something different, not just yet another MOAR GUNZ!!!
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Heh. It'd be cool if the KDF just got ONE new ship. That wasn't a battle cruiser. A 3-pack is pie in the sky.
Here are the base stats for my Chimera and Fleet Defiant
Chimera Heavy Destroyer
BOff Stations
Tactical Commander
Lieutenant Engineering
Lieutenant Science
Ensign Universal
Lt. Commander Universal
Consoles
3 Eng.
4 Tact.
2 Sci
Weapons
4 Forward
3 Aft
Base Hull: 34500
Shield Mod: 0.9
Crew 750
Turn: 14
Devices: 3
Fleet Defiant
BOff Stations
Tactical Commander
Tactical Lt. Commander
Tactical Ensign
Lieutenant Engineering
Lieutenant Science
Consoles
3 Eng.
5 Tact.
2 Sci
Weapons
4 Forward
3 Aft
Base Hull: 33000
Shield Mod: 0.99
Crew 50
Turn: 17
Devices: 2
Chimera has a much larger crew, more flexible BOff stations, better hull and device slots.
Defiant has better turn rate, shield mod and an extra tactical console slot.
So to answer the question: In general, Destroyers are slightly larger and slightly less maneuverable when compared most Escorts while being somewhat more durable and considerably more flexible in role.
At least in the case of the Chimera. I see no reason that would not remain true in the case of any future Destroyer 3-pack release.
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Corrected stats on Chimera.
The current Chimera would be the Vet reward. Animation, powers and everything stays the same.
The new Chimera would have the usual equipment set from the 3-packs and maybe a few customization options. None of the animations or powers the Vet version has.
Seriously, unequip the fifth tac console and you'll see for yourself how little the difference will be in your DPS numbers. The boost you get from a DHC over a turret is significantly larger.
And spreaking of power drain: DHCs are actually very modest drainers compared to every other energy weapon. You shouldn't have trouble with the wep power on the Kumari line of ships if you have no trouble with power on your usual 4 forward weapon slots ships. (Note: There's always the Omega adapted set 2-part bonus you can use.)
Of course a fight between the 2 ships is not what I discuss. What I'm trying to say is that the same player with the same build (yeah, there's the Defiant's trouble with ensign tac boff slot...) will be able to destroy say a Borg transformer faster in an Andorian ship than the Fleet Defiant.
(A match between the two should be: Defiant decloaks, alpha kills the Kumari. Kumari respawns, Defiant is already cloaked again. Situation repeats itself.)
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Right you are, apparently I can't count.
Corrected.
Point of fact: The FTER's shield modifier is only 0.9. It's pretty much the only Fleet ship to not receive a 10% boost to its shield modifier.
They need to come out with a new 3 pack of ships every week.
This way.. and I've said this before:
The fed players can get all the great new shinies... weekly.. and eventually they won't be able to afford their internet bills, and be shut down! .. Then I could enjoy some game time. lol
So, under these definations, wouldn't the Andorian "Escort" count actually as a destroyer?
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
Most of the Fed escorts are in fact medium to heavy cruisers (everything but the Defiant, Saber and Aquarius pattern ships), but since Cryptic needed an arbitrary class delineation, they got labeled as "escorts"
So if Cryptic decides to say "hey, let us rename the Andorian 'escorts' to 'destroyers'", would that not nullify the point of this thread?
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
They should be classed as destroyers as they are not really a "glass cannon". I've seen these Andorian escorts with hull up to 44k+, 2K more than a standard issue Odyssey hull. Plus they have a shield modifier 0.1 less than the Galaxy - X Dreadnaught.
Therefore, the Federation already has the destroyer 3 pack by way of the Andorian "escorts" and by extension, renders this thread (for all intents and purposes) spam. Good day then gentlemen. :cool:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
And thus by dimensions, the Andorian 'escorts' are bigger than the Defiant by a 'small margin' as well has having a slightly worse turn rate than the Defiant. Comparing crew of 50 on the Defiant vs 85 on the Kumari, the Kumari has the larger crew. And the universal lt boff station is also shared by the Kumari and the Chimera.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
Agreed. Kittens are indeed cute.
I reserve the right to have a completely different standpoint depending on my mood.
Read the title bro.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
:rolleyes:
Those transformations are possible when you equip a Chimera special console in one of the 9 console slots. It's not an integrated ability as is the Lance on the Galaxy-X, or the Guramba's Javelin.
Btw, I very much expected the Chimera and the Peghqu' to spawn the "tactical 3-packs". After all, they have the same Boff layout as the Odyssey/Bortasqu' and the Vesta. The fact they didn't do that is sure pleasant for the LTS and 1000-day vets.
On the other hand, I'm not overly happy about this Kumari line. The original Kumari looks much better (just saw an episode with it on TV today), and I'm not a fan of these 5 forward slots that the KDF will probably never get.
Either way, please do some KDF ships first and only then we can discuss another FED 3-pack.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I would buy it. I'm sure others would too.
I also would be interested in purchasing a KDF 3-pack. I didn't buy the bortas pack because the ship didn't suit my KDF characters' playstyle, although when I create a KDF Engineer I might consider it. However, I would totally go for a 3-pack Gorn science/fleet support pack or a tactical pack (raptor, battlecruiser, destroyer, or maybe even bop) offering 5 forward weapons slots or AT LEAST an option on one of the variants to have 5 tactical consoles. There are now three Federation escorts with this option but only one Klingon cruiser...a very slow cruiser...with them.
Former/Cryptic Name: Captain_Hans_Langsdorff
Founding member, Special Service Squadron
"Fear God and Dread Nought." First Sea Lord, Adm. Jacky Fisher
Yup, me too. Unless it's as hideous as the Guramba (and/or transforms in a similar way).
EDIT: Oh, and I'm buying the Bortasqu' pack in the next ship sale. I want to make that ship work ("go"
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I would be interested if they didn't make it lousy like the Bortasqu, the Bortasqu is inferior just about every way to the Odyssey and every other Battlecruiser cept for having most tac consoles which does it little good.
1. I'm a poor student with no job and freelance work is going slow.
2. I dont see the point putting any more money into this game until more KDF content is released. (Copypasta fed missions is not KDF content, either is a revamped tutorial).
I could not have said it better myself
puppy eats kitten = Your argument is invalid
Anyone have any ideas on an item set for a hypothetical Destroyer pack?