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Starfleet Destroyer 3-Pack

dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
edited March 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Now that we have a 3-pack Cruiser (Odyssey) and a 3-pack Science ship (Vesta) can we get a 3-pack Destroyer for the Tactical captains?

And before anyone points out the obvious, yes, there was a 3-pack Escort just released. The Kumari hulls are Andorian, not Starfleet.

I have not and will not be buying the off-brand ships. Give a me a 3-pack Starfleet design and you've got my money.
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  • squatsaucesquatsauce Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Give it time. There's no reason for them to not add new pay-for ships. Just don't expect it to show up tomorrow.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The Kumari is the 3packs escort. Sorry you don't like it, but it's unlikely you'll see another one. Especially considering the whine the KDF will do.
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  • kekvinkekvin Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Destroyer pack would b great.
  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    erei1 wrote: »
    The Kumari is the 3packs escort. Sorry you don't like it, but it's unlikely you'll see another one. Especially considering the whine the KDF will do.

    Yes, Kumari is an Escort.

    We don't have a Destroyer (Chimera) 3-pack yet.
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Andorians are founding members of the Federation.

    Perhaps you should change your demand to include only ships with a saucer and nacelles design that fits into the "destroyer" category?
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Need KDF versions first. The Andorian ship is the Tac focused pack.
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  • hiplyrustichiplyrustic Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dkeith2011 wrote: »
    Yes, Kumari is an Escort.

    We don't have a Destroyer (Chimera) 3-pack yet.

    Is the Chimera really worth going after?
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    hiplyrustic wrote: »
    Is the Chimera really worth going after?

    Nope, because it's the 1000 day vet ship. ;)
  • angarus1angarus1 Member Posts: 684 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Personally, I'd wait until the KDF is able to buy similar ship packs. ;)
  • hiplyrustichiplyrustic Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    pyryck wrote: »
    Nope, because it's the 1000 day vet ship. ;)

    Or insta-gained through a Lifetimer buy ;)
  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    pyryck wrote: »
    Andorians are founding members of the Federation.

    Perhaps you should change your demand to include only ships with a saucer and nacelles design that fits into the "destroyer" category?

    I thought the 'Starfleet' description made that a given, but if I got to pick a hull design:

    Insignia class U.S.S. Phoenix

    The creator of that design wanted to enter the Enterprise-F contest but couldn't because he lives in the UK.

    I'm sure the ship team could come up with a good design though.

    I do agree that there needs to be parity for the Klingons before anymore Fed hulls are released. There needs to be a Vesta and Kumari equivalent at very least.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Out of curiousity, are not the fleet escort variants just as good as any 3pack (andorian excluded) that wpuld be availible?
    Otherwise wouldnt a 3pack escort bundle just be a very obviuos money grab to make a uber escort when an alternative already exists?
    Why not just ask for the ability to reskin the Andorian if you buy it to an escort skin of your liking? Surely any escort made to fill said 3pack would be no moe powerful than it?
    Unless they just copy the bug.
    In which case, yeah. I think us KDF and even the future RSE would have honest right to complain on not having a similiarly powerful vessel.
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    Need KDF versions first. The Andorian ship is the Tac focused pack.

    This. The KDF could seriously use a Flight-Deck Escort pack and perhaps some kind of disable/drain-centric science ship pack. The Ferasan still don't have a ship yet either - not even a shuttle.
  • tsurutafan01tsurutafan01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Yeah what the FED needs is totally more warships.

    Or not.

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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dkeith2011 wrote: »
    Now that we have a 3-pack Cruiser (Odyssey) and a 3-pack Science ship (Vesta) can we get a 3-pack Destroyer for the Tactical captains?

    No.

    No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!

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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dkeith2011 wrote: »
    I have not and will not be buying the off-brand ships.

    Neither the Odyssey nor the Vesta are on-brand, as one was a Cryptic contest winner and the other was made up for a book series.

    So I think you already bought off-brand ships.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Also the Andorian pack is not really that good, people gone nuts because "OMG 5 forward weapon slots!" ignoring the fact the only ship that can potential out DPS the Fleet Defiant have a terrible BO layout, Pack ships do get close to Fleet ships because they have 10 console slots but thats it.

    I disagree. The 5th forward weapon + 4 Tactical Consoles of the Engi and Sci versions can outdamage a Fleet Defiant. Already seen that in action. Haven't seen mine go up against the fleet MVAM yet. But the Andorian 3-pack is A-OK. People just keep talking about the Tactical version and forget all about the Charal and Khyzon, which are both very good ships.
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  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Also you are stuck with Wing Cannons, the Defiant 7th weapon slot is turret ... sure its not a DHC but at the same time is still going to do at least 1/4 of damage that a DHC.
    What do you mean, "stuck"? You can get rid of the wing cannons and use 5 DHCs, or whatever.
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    They are no Fleet Defiant or Kumari, the reason people look for this ships is because a 5th tactical console slot means +26.2% more base damage minimum (Blue Mk XI Phaser Relay) and that can go up to 30%.

    26% of the base damage adds up about 40 DPS (or maybe was it 60?) on my DHCs at 125 wep power, from about 1200 DPS at three tac consoles. So, uhh, it's a pretty negligeable buff.

    Those simple facts would tell me the sci and eng variants of the Kumari line out DPS the Fleet Defiant.

    The only variable that could make a difference is the bonus from decloaking.
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    How about no? How about some more diversity instead of yet another freaking gunship? How about a fed ship with dual hangars and lots of engineering boffs for a true support ship? How about a KDF raider with a 5/1 weapon layout and 5 tac consoles for an ultimate hit-and-run ship? Something different, not just yet another MOAR GUNZ!!!
  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    Neither the Odyssey nor the Vesta are on-brand, as one was a Cryptic contest winner and the other was made up for a book series.

    So I think you already bought off-brand ships.

    In this case brand refers to them being Starfleet ships, not Andorian, Vulcan, Ferengi or anything else.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dkeith2011 wrote: »
    I have not and will not be buying the off-brand ships. Give a me a 3-pack Starfleet design and you've got my money.

    Fix my Galaxy-X first! :(
  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    That would be good too.
  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dkeith2011 wrote: »
    We don't have a Destroyer (Chimera) 3-pack yet.

    And to be selfish, I hope you lot don't get one. Maybe improve the Chimmy for Lifetime/Veterans (10 consoles!), but keep it to them ONLY.

    Let us have this one thing.

    Besides, I'd prefer an entirely new design than simply unlocking an existing design. How about an Aquarius Destroyer (or Aquarius-like) 3-pack? I bet Cryptic can make those ships more appealing, and I like the way they look.

    Prior to the Andorian Cruiser the Aquarius was the closest Feds had to a BoP, though it had too many of the BoP's drawbacks and too few of the BoP's strengths (and no, I don't mean the Battle Cloak. Let the Klinks have their thing).
  • a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    humor me: what's the bloody diffrence between a destroyer and an escort? they both do massive DPS.
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  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    a3001 wrote: »
    humor me: what's the bloody diffrence between a destroyer and an escort? they both do massive DPS.

    Seemingly by the logic shown a Regular destroyer is either smaller than a standard Escort (closer to a Klink BoP) or larger (closer to a Raptor), with cannon-heavy armament (and beam viability in the case of the heavy destroyers.

    At the moment Feds have 3 officially classified Destroyers available: The Aquarius, the Chimera, and the Mobius. The Bug could theoretically be classed as a Destroyer, as possibly the Breen ship.

    Practically speaking there's almost no difference between a destroyer and a standard Fed Escort, except perhaps the Heavy Destroyers (Chimmy/Penghu) and maybe the Breen ship (if you consider it a destroyer). Those ships have lower turn rate and higher crew, but have cannons and a stronger tactical layout than cruisers or science vessels. Klink Raptors erode the difference somewhat, but for Feds they're fairly unique.

    But the main commonality between all the destroyers vs. the escorts is the presence of Universal Boff stations. This adds a level of versatility to the proceedings.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    I am not saying it cannot but a Fleet Defiant have a 5th tac console, that significant and the only difference is BO layout and the fact the Defiant have its 7th weapon on the back.

    For damage dealing purposes, 5th Frontal Weapon > 1 Tactical Console. The challenge is keeping in the frontal arc. In PVE that's not much of a challenge.
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  • radkipradkip Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    No offense but this is were drain comes, firing 5 DHCs will put a strain were the only way you can get then to fire at 125 is by using a battery or being a Eng and use a captain ability otherwise you are not going to sustain all weapons at 125, you get one at that and by the 3rd its going to drop under 100.
    Actually, due to my spec and setup, 5 DHC + 2 turrets firing drops me to about 90ish weapons power. All of my DHC fire at 110+ weapons power unless my turrets do something wonky. I'm sure there are people more knowledgeable in space who've figured out how to get all five to shoot at 125 weapons power without batteries or engineer captain abilities.

    Besides, with how ridiculously fragile everything is, you don't even need all five firing at max power to really destroy things unless you're going up against super tanky cruisers/sci ships/STF boss ships.

    As for the topic at hand, no, the Federation doesn't need any more ships. We've got enough to last us a year. The Klingons desperately need some good ships.
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