Personally, I think they still have more work to do with Siphon Drones (and interceptors!) but I do agree to an extent. I don't believe that there is a particularly good reason for a pet to have a proc or ability that is even close to the magnitude of those used by the players themselves.
If they want to buff an effect against NPCs for PvE they could always just apply negative resistance to an NPC's stats. Of course, I wish they'd add resistance stats to NPCs at all...
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Foundry: Yet Another Borg Mission
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
May not actually be "way" cooler or even "slightly" cooler.
just use a polarize hull or apo, those will brake the tractor immediatly
when your hull is less than 50% wont you use fleet support ? c'mon man ...
you want your alpha build to work on every situation ? if you complain so much, i would like to see you fighting someone with eject warp plasma, gravity well3 and 2 copies of tractor beam, its not about the pets you are complainning, its about how limited is your build, and how bad you want it to work
This is BS.
those pets tractor you and use chroniton you hit apo then the vesta ship tractors you and spams you with 2 copies of VM, your practically dead in the water 80% of the time,,im a tac in an escort and i have no problem with cool sci abilities to combat fast moving power punching escorts but pet spam with tractors/cobalts/chroniton and everything else people mentioned is total BS.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
no not impossible, he was beating me 5-0 constantly,,i changed my build and respec and last time we played it was a classic standoff,,,after 20 mins the score was 1-1 so we called it quits and havent fought since. But pets that can tractor and use chroniton are not skill you just fire them off and let them hold your target while you pound it with VM and whatever weapons your using,,if they use pol hull or apo,,then you tractor with your vesta and VM them ,,,again dead in the water. With his jam sensors and double placates and VM its nearly impossible for me to get more than one full powered rapid fire volley off on him,,,matter of fact the time i killed him i caught him with a cobalt crit and whiped around and finished him off before he could do anything.
Lets make a list of everything that drops a tractor
1) PH
2) APO
3) Subspace jump
4) tric mines
5) tgt aux
6) phot shockwave
7) any placate
8) time bubble
9) Backstep
10) kill ship using it
11) TDD
13) 3 part Maco set ability
14) vesta 3 part abitiy
Now I see 14 ways to counter 1 ability so unless you completely fail at building a ship you have no reason to complain. And I don't want to hear any of this " oh well I shouldn't have to break my build to counter it" just adapt and overcome
-"There is no such thing as an I win button!""Um, Sir. Whats this button that says (I win) for then?"
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Lets make a list of everything that drops a tractor
1) PH
2) APO
3) Subspace jump
4) tric mines
5) tgt aux
6) phot shockwave
7) any placate
8) time bubble
9) Backstep
10) kill ship using it
11) TDD
13) 3 part Maco set ability
14) vesta 3 part abitiy
Now I see 14 ways to counter 1 ability so unless you completely fail at building a ship you have no reason to complain. And I don't want to hear any of this " oh well I shouldn't have to break my build to counter it" just adapt and overcome
This is flawed logic,,,as how many ships do you know have ALL these qualities at once? And your failing to recognize its continued tractor spam from those pets,,you break out using 1-2 abilities then the main ship tractors and spams VM while releasing more tractor spam pets
Lets make a list of everything that drops a tractor
1) PH
2) APO
3) Subspace jump
4) tric mines
5) tgt aux
6) phot shockwave
7) any placate
8) time bubble
9) Backstep
10) kill ship using it
11) TDD
13) 3 part Maco set ability
14) vesta 3 part abitiy
Now I see 14 ways to counter 1 ability so unless you completely fail at building a ship you have no reason to complain. And I don't want to hear any of this " oh well I shouldn't have to break my build to counter it" just adapt and overcome
So according to you we would need a vesta with the wells backstep using 3 piece maco, and placates with sub jump,,cobalt mines,,apo,,,tgt aux,,TDD,,PH,,phot shockwave,,,let me know when you find this ship.
This is flawed logic,,,as how many ships do you know have ALL these qualities at once? And your failing to recognize its continued tractor spam from those pets,,you break out using 1-2 abilities then the main ship tractors and spams VM while releasing more tractor spam pets
engineering team does completely clear viral matrix, but since it shares CD with tac team,and pretty much everyone runs dual copies of that, hardly anyone goes into PvP with it...well, hardly anyone who knows what they're doing
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
engineering team does completely clear viral matrix, but since it shares CD with tac team,and pretty much everyone runs dual copies of that, hardly anyone goes into PvP with it...well, hardly anyone who knows what they're doing
Exactly,,,so most tacs in an escort are gonna get VM spammed to death while being tractor spammed to death,,i tried eng team, its a nice hull heal and helps with viral but causes other CDs which i dont care for so i dropped it. I suppose one on one with my friend i could afford to run it, but would rather not in team pvp. I went with HEs and aux2struc with TSS and ep2s and 2 copies of TT
the sci ships already have cool abilities to help slow down tacs,,be it viral,,tractor beam,,gravity well TR,,shockwave,,aceton ect ect...i have no problem with those, but then to give them tractor beam/chroniton torp spamming pets is a bit too much.
I would love to see the sci/engies screaming bloody murder until hell froze over if an escort could have those stupid runabout tractor spam pets lol.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
This is flawed logic,,,as how many ships do you know have ALL these qualities at once? And your failing to recognize its continued tractor spam from those pets,,you break out using 1-2 abilities then the main ship tractors and spams VM while releasing more tractor spam pets
To be fair, high engine preset and evasives will break any tractor hold. ET counters VM, or Eng Batt. Also, make sure you're using Hyper-impulse engines.
That said, pets spam is just annoying always has been. But, there are other issues in the game and the Dev only has so much time. I'd rather they make an effort to not make anymore Hangar ships and focus on fixing truly OP things like stacking Boffs w/Leadership.
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simple answer from my point of view:
nerf danubes, so nerf advanced interceptors. may i'm wrong, but i feel them to be much more powerful than danubes.
no offence intended btw ...
So according to you we would need a vesta with the wells backstep using 3 piece maco, and placates with sub jump,,cobalt mines,,apo,,,tgt aux,,TDD,,PH,,phot shockwave,,,let me know when you find this ship.
Those are all options on how to get out of a tractor I never said you could use all at once. So learn to read a statement before replying. Also I've fought to vestas and an armatige all at the same time, they all had de-noobs and it didn't bother me at all. Again they ATnT that bad there are plenty of counters and with the VM lets see counters are Red matter, a norm battery, an EPt subsystem, and eng team, also if your spected to defend it it last all of 2 sec
-"There is no such thing as an I win button!""Um, Sir. Whats this button that says (I win) for then?"
Excuse me, but if you have a problem with dying, what are you doing with a tac in an escort?
excuse me but i guess all the sci/eng who cry over tacs flying fast and having DHCs should fly a tac if they want to kill quicker according to your logic.
Nobody said a problem with dying, many of us are asking for some kind of = play to some extent so that skills and piloting and builds determine who wins,,,not cheesy spamming pets that do the work for you.
Every class complains about the other,,,"tacs are too fast,,too powerful" "sci has to many crazy spamming abilites" ect ect......
They should take pets out of the game period,,at least for pvp anyway.
Its usually people like you who use things like this that argue in favor of it then spout off nonsense like "well if you dont like dying" (insert ignorant statement here)
It can. They are an option on all the carriers the fed can fly.
Thats bogus then, even ill admit that,,bad enough a sci vesta has it,,,i really think its worse for a tac to have it cause if your tractor spamming the TRIBBLE out of someone and have high acc your going to crit them like crazy.
In response to the rage and tears concerning the siphons I used on my KDF Vo'quv build, I purchased the Armitage for one of my Fed toons. I load it up with danubes, tractor mines, and two tractor beams (one from the Borg set).
When I get tired of the rage and tears when I play my KDF toon - even now with nerfed siphons, I switch over to my Fed tractor build and hit the FvF queues.
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a spamable pet with a 17 or whatever second long hold that is stronger then a grav and aux buffed user sourced tractor beam is BS. they also cant be killed with rear weapons only faster then it takes to just complete their hold duration
I don't think the danubes themselves are the guilty party here, its the ridiculously poor implementation of tractor beams. They either stop you dead or not, TB1/2/3 makes no difference, danubes stopping cruisers makes no difference, even the internal dampeners skill doesn't do a lot because its either going to stop you or not.
Each version of TB should have an effectiveness against the ship's interia. Possibly the ability should compare the attacking ship's interia to the target ship. Right now it seems to be like the siphon drones were, they just siphon your speed until you hit 0, which is pretty fast, no resistance, no maximum drain.
klingons have pets with tachyon beams, energy syphons, chroniton torpedos, tricobalt torpedos and mines, ramming speed, aceton beam, pets with more hull points than my vesta
and you whine about a tractor beam ? its not the tractor beam, if you loose against a danube pet, you will loose against a tractor beam build on any sci ship as well. get yourself some inertial dampers, attack pattern omega, aux to dampers, or polarize hull to get rid of holds or disables, the same way that sci officers have to use some plating to defend tac's dps,
its common sense, stop whining just because you are noob, doesnt mean danubes are op
you want your alpha noob build to work on any pvp, but that's impossible. sorry.
or should i start whining about bops having battle cloak ? -.-''' adapt yourself to it, the game is not as easy as picking a ship, getting some fancy gears and using alpha builds
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If they want to buff an effect against NPCs for PvE they could always just apply negative resistance to an NPC's stats. Of course, I wish they'd add resistance stats to NPCs at all...
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
This is BS.
those pets tractor you and use chroniton you hit apo then the vesta ship tractors you and spams you with 2 copies of VM, your practically dead in the water 80% of the time,,im a tac in an escort and i have no problem with cool sci abilities to combat fast moving power punching escorts but pet spam with tractors/cobalts/chroniton and everything else people mentioned is total BS.
one word: subnuke
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
no not impossible, he was beating me 5-0 constantly,,i changed my build and respec and last time we played it was a classic standoff,,,after 20 mins the score was 1-1 so we called it quits and havent fought since. But pets that can tractor and use chroniton are not skill you just fire them off and let them hold your target while you pound it with VM and whatever weapons your using,,if they use pol hull or apo,,then you tractor with your vesta and VM them ,,,again dead in the water. With his jam sensors and double placates and VM its nearly impossible for me to get more than one full powered rapid fire volley off on him,,,matter of fact the time i killed him i caught him with a cobalt crit and whiped around and finished him off before he could do anything.
Oh my...
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
1) PH
2) APO
3) Subspace jump
4) tric mines
5) tgt aux
6) phot shockwave
7) any placate
8) time bubble
9) Backstep
10) kill ship using it
11) TDD
13) 3 part Maco set ability
14) vesta 3 part abitiy
Now I see 14 ways to counter 1 ability so unless you completely fail at building a ship you have no reason to complain. And I don't want to hear any of this " oh well I shouldn't have to break my build to counter it" just adapt and overcome
does that really break a tractor lock?
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
This is flawed logic,,,as how many ships do you know have ALL these qualities at once? And your failing to recognize its continued tractor spam from those pets,,you break out using 1-2 abilities then the main ship tractors and spams VM while releasing more tractor spam pets
So according to you we would need a vesta with the wells backstep using 3 piece maco, and placates with sub jump,,cobalt mines,,apo,,,tgt aux,,TDD,,PH,,phot shockwave,,,let me know when you find this ship.
engineering team does completely clear viral matrix, but since it shares CD with tac team,and pretty much everyone runs dual copies of that, hardly anyone goes into PvP with it...well, hardly anyone who knows what they're doing
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Exactly,,,so most tacs in an escort are gonna get VM spammed to death while being tractor spammed to death,,i tried eng team, its a nice hull heal and helps with viral but causes other CDs which i dont care for so i dropped it. I suppose one on one with my friend i could afford to run it, but would rather not in team pvp. I went with HEs and aux2struc with TSS and ep2s and 2 copies of TT
I would love to see the sci/engies screaming bloody murder until hell froze over if an escort could have those stupid runabout tractor spam pets lol.
they can; the heavy escort carrier has a hangar
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
To be fair, high engine preset and evasives will break any tractor hold. ET counters VM, or Eng Batt. Also, make sure you're using Hyper-impulse engines.
That said, pets spam is just annoying always has been. But, there are other issues in the game and the Dev only has so much time. I'd rather they make an effort to not make anymore Hangar ships and focus on fixing truly OP things like stacking Boffs w/Leadership.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
nerf danubes, so nerf advanced interceptors. may i'm wrong, but i feel them to be much more powerful than danubes.
no offence intended btw
Those are all options on how to get out of a tractor I never said you could use all at once. So learn to read a statement before replying. Also I've fought to vestas and an armatige all at the same time, they all had de-noobs and it didn't bother me at all. Again they ATnT that bad there are plenty of counters and with the VM lets see counters are Red matter, a norm battery, an EPt subsystem, and eng team, also if your spected to defend it it last all of 2 sec
i have one,,was not aware it could fly the tractor spammers,,,can it? If so i dont think thats cool at all.
It can. They are an option on all the carriers the fed can fly.
excuse me but i guess all the sci/eng who cry over tacs flying fast and having DHCs should fly a tac if they want to kill quicker according to your logic.
Nobody said a problem with dying, many of us are asking for some kind of = play to some extent so that skills and piloting and builds determine who wins,,,not cheesy spamming pets that do the work for you.
Every class complains about the other,,,"tacs are too fast,,too powerful" "sci has to many crazy spamming abilites" ect ect......
They should take pets out of the game period,,at least for pvp anyway.
Its usually people like you who use things like this that argue in favor of it then spout off nonsense like "well if you dont like dying" (insert ignorant statement here)
Thats bogus then, even ill admit that,,bad enough a sci vesta has it,,,i really think its worse for a tac to have it cause if your tractor spamming the TRIBBLE out of someone and have high acc your going to crit them like crazy.
In response to the rage and tears concerning the siphons I used on my KDF Vo'quv build, I purchased the Armitage for one of my Fed toons. I load it up with danubes, tractor mines, and two tractor beams (one from the Borg set).
When I get tired of the rage and tears when I play my KDF toon - even now with nerfed siphons, I switch over to my Fed tractor build and hit the FvF queues.
STO Forum member since before February 2010.
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I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
Each version of TB should have an effectiveness against the ship's interia. Possibly the ability should compare the attacking ship's interia to the target ship. Right now it seems to be like the siphon drones were, they just siphon your speed until you hit 0, which is pretty fast, no resistance, no maximum drain.
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klingons have pets with tachyon beams, energy syphons, chroniton torpedos, tricobalt torpedos and mines, ramming speed, aceton beam, pets with more hull points than my vesta
and you whine about a tractor beam ? its not the tractor beam, if you loose against a danube pet, you will loose against a tractor beam build on any sci ship as well. get yourself some inertial dampers, attack pattern omega, aux to dampers, or polarize hull to get rid of holds or disables, the same way that sci officers have to use some plating to defend tac's dps,
its common sense, stop whining just because you are noob, doesnt mean danubes are op
you want your alpha noob build to work on any pvp, but that's impossible. sorry.
or should i start whining about bops having battle cloak ? -.-''' adapt yourself to it, the game is not as easy as picking a ship, getting some fancy gears and using alpha builds