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Andorian Escort: Kumari Line

rosebloomerosebloome Member Posts: 63 Arc User
edited February 2013 in Federation Discussion
Everyone else see that screenshot on sto mainpage? Thats a slick looking ship. Who else is gonna nab that sucker when it touches Z-Store?
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  • verbenamageverbenamage Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Looks spiffy, but really don't know until they release stats. I mean, appearance is of course immensely important. But you don't know if it's flyable till you see the boff/console layout. There's still the chance it'll be gimped and useless.
  • rosebloomerosebloome Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Well with the layouts they've been using on the ships lately, they haven't really put out a bad one. Well that I noticed. Chell Grett and Jemmy dread are both very good ones. At least, from a PVE'r perspective.
  • auriciusauricius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm expecting a 5-fore weapon loadout for it and it looks like it'd complement well with my Andorian main, but if it's a 3-pack I'm definitely not getting it. Not until it's available at a sale at least.
  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I think it will have excellent forward guns, high top speed yet poor turn rate (for an escort) It will be bigger than most escorts bit like the armitage. Bit like a light destroyer than an escort. Thats my theory anyhoo.
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  • twamtwam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The concept of 5 forward weapon hardpoints worries me mightily.

    On a buffed tac, that would add another 2-3k dps right there, if running a 5th dhc. Or it can invalidate discussions about the benefits of replacing the 4th dhc with a torpedo: just do both. Really, I'd rather see it having a 6th tac console than a 5th forward weapon slot, in terms of game balance.

    I hope I'm overestimating the effects of such a thing, or that it doesn't come to pass. Or if it has to be, balance it by giving it no aft weapon slots, or something, so that dps output stays roughly the same.
  • mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    twam wrote: »
    The concept of 5 forward weapon hardpoints worries me mightily.

    On a buffed tac, that would add another 2-3k dps right there, if running a 5th dhc. Or it can invalidate discussions about the benefits of replacing the 4th dhc with a torpedo: just do both. Really, I'd rather see it having a 6th tac console than a 5th forward weapon slot, in terms of game balance.

    I hope I'm overestimating the effects of such a thing, or that it doesn't come to pass. Or if it has to be, balance it by giving it no aft weapon slots, or something, so that dps output stays roughly the same.

    Ask cryptic has confirmed that 5 fore weapons are next in the line so doesn't matter what we think

    I'd rather have 10 fore weapons than more I hold you in place for 200 seconds cheese consoles for gods sake
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  • verbenamageverbenamage Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Well if it turns out it's ridiculously over-powered then I'm definitely getting one. All hail our new andorian overlords, and three cheers for blue girls in miniskirts.
  • variant37variant37 Member Posts: 867 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    rustiswordz wrote: »
    I think it will have excellent forward guns, high top speed yet poor turn rate (for an escort) It will be bigger than most escorts bit like the armitage. Bit like a light destroyer than an escort. Thats my theory anyhoo.

    Those two aspects would be directly at odds with each other. No point in having almost all of your firepower forward if you can't bring it to bear.
  • mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    variant37 wrote: »
    Those two aspects would be directly at odds with each other. No point in having almost all of your firepower forward if you can't bring it to bear.

    You mean like the bortasqu and the Jem dread
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  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    mustafatennick wrote: »
    Ask cryptic has confirmed that 5 fore weapons are next in the line so doesn't matter what we think

    I'd rather have 10 fore weapons than more I hold you in place for 200 seconds cheese consoles for gods sake

    I can tell you with all certainty - if Cryptic start dishing out 5+ tac console factional ships, and on top of that 5 fore weapon slot ships to only one faction, name the Feds - they will be grievously harming viable cross-factional PvP.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    mustafatennick wrote: »
    Ask cryptic has confirmed that 5 fore weapons are next in the line so doesn't matter what we think

    I'd rather have 10 fore weapons than more I hold you in place for 200 seconds cheese consoles for gods sake

    They said they have a *ship* coming...doesn't mean its going to be the Andorian ship and I would say won't be or they might have said *ships*.
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  • thratch1thratch1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    You know, judging by the window sizes, the Andorian escort looks pretty big -- maybe close in size to the Chimera, if not larger (which doesn't actually mesh well with its depiction in Enterprise, but hey...).

    This could be a Broadside escort that they've talked about before. It would break the weapons rule they talked about in the Ask Cryptic without putting 5 weapons up front.
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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    thratch1 wrote: »
    You know, judging by the window sizes, the Andorian escort looks pretty big -- maybe close in size to the Chimera, if not larger (which doesn't actually mesh well with its depiction in Enterprise, but hey...).

    It's not the actual ship from ST:ENT - that would make this boat over 250 years old for God's sake. It's a new class inspired by the ENT-era Kumari.

    It will be game-breaking overpowered and I will buy the set because I feed off of hatred.
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  • thratch1thratch1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    sander233 wrote: »
    It's not the actual ship from ST:ENT - that would make this boat over 250 years old for God's sake. It's a new class inspired by the ENT-era Kumari.

    It will be game-breaking overpowered and I will buy the set because I feed off of hatred.

    Well the Vulcans have apparently been fielding the same ship for that long, at least.

    It's probably not going to be a set, though. I'd wager this ship will be a singular purchase with 9 console slots, with a Fleet version coming out for Tier V shipyards about three months down the line.
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  • zeusimazeusima Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    if it has 5 forward weapon hardpoints it would automatically invalidate all previous escort ships. There's no arguing this, 1 extra DHC front = almost 3 turrets. It wouldn't even need to have any rear weapons.
  • thratch1thratch1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    zeusima wrote: »
    if it has 5 forward weapon hardpoints it would automatically invalidate all previous escort ships. There's no arguing this, 1 extra DHC front = almost 3 turrets. It wouldn't even need to have any rear weapons.

    It may well not have any aft weapon slots, if it has high maneuverability and 5 fore weapon slots.

    If it comes out with Com Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Lt. Eng, Lt. Sci, and Ens. Sci (or a universal), with 5 Tactical Console slots, it could easily be one of the most desirable ships in the game.

    Unless it comes out with Fleet stats, though, it'll probably only have 4 Tac console slots.
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  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I was under the impression, from previous discussions, that the game engine couldn't handle 5 weapons per arc, front or rear. Did this change all of a sudden?

    If this is the case and they can expand past 4 FA and 4 RA. All of the ships before this ship would most likely be rendered ineffective, including high level Fleet Ships. I don't think that passes the smell test. Now if they introduced Tier 6 ships and started adding a 5th gun at the next rank, that would be believable. But to put out this ship with that much firepower would almost invalidate building Fleet Starbases and buying Fleet Ships.
  • proteus22proteus22 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    if it does come with 5 front weapons i am guessing the fith weapon slot wouldn't be a slot but a fixed weapon system like the phaser lance. my gues would be some form of advanced rapid fire or burst fire torpedo sytem shince super phasers have been done on like three different ships already but a wide beam version of the doomsday antiproton beam would be cool with 45 degree arc or dual super heavy cannon mount twice the damage of standard dhc but fires much slower with increased energy drain.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    This is just the first of its line it sounds like.

    I'm curious how they balance it.

    And look at the pic and where the weapons on,it are. Forward facing. This is not a broadside escort or if it is it will look foolish as it,doesn't fit the model.
  • rs2965rs2965 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Al confirmed in the Priority One podcast interview that it is a Heavy Escort which will be available in a three pack.

    As someone looking to upgrade from a retro Defiant and a fan of the how the ship looks; I can't help but be disappointed.
  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    rs2965 wrote: »
    Al confirmed in the Priority One podcast interview that it is a Heavy Escort which will be available in a three pack.

    As someone looking to upgrade from a retro Defiant and a fan of the how the ship looks; I can't help but be disappointed.

    It's also, as Al said on Twitter, "basically a flying gun."
  • rs2965rs2965 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    mandoknight89 wrote: »
    It's also, as Al said on Twitter, "basically a flying gun."

    Yes...I'm dumb. I was thinking Escort Carrier but that is not at all the case.

    I'm back to digging for my money.
  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    rustiswordz wrote: »
    I think it will have excellent forward guns, high top speed yet poor turn rate (for an escort) It will be bigger than most escorts bit like the armitage. Bit like a light destroyer than an escort. Thats my theory anyhoo.

    This would be my guess as well, it'll probably have a boff layout like an armitage so it can be the large big gun battleship people keep asking for. If they go that route I'd guess.... turn 12, inertia 80? Might even need to do a Gurumba like transformation to use the fifth weapon slot, gimping its turning further. More of a light cruiser with a tac boff station focus and a healthy amount of defenses.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,316 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    When is it even coming out?
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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    variant37 wrote: »
    Those two aspects would be directly at odds with each other. No point in having almost all of your firepower forward if you can't bring it to bear.

    Not necessarily... imagine equipping it with 5 forward DBBs or a combination of DBBs and torpedoes. It'd be a fantastic long range artillery ship. Admittedly I'm not sure how well that would work in PvP but its pretty clear PvP considerations aren't really a top Cryptic priority unless some nasty combos work their way to PvE.

    Edit: As others have said, 5 forward weapons lots makes obsolete all other escorts unless this thing is gimped in ways we can't begin to imagine. If its not properly balanced... anyone else notice this ship would be coming out as fleets begin to get to T5 shipyards, and making T5 ships obsolete?
  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    lordgyor wrote: »
    I'm curious how they balance it..

    LOL "Balance" that's a good one. :D
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  • verbenamageverbenamage Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    If they are giving it 5 forward facing guns, one possibly way they could balance it would be to use a dirty trick and make some of the default guns fused, like the modules in the temporal ambassador mission.

    5x DHC in the front arc would indeed be pretty broken.

    But if the ship comes with a fused beam array and a fused photon torpedo launcher, then that mitigates some of the potential damage.

    Another possibility is it's 5x fore and 0x aft. No cutting beam and no turrets would probably keep the total dps reasonable.

    Maybe some combination. Fused beam array, fused torp, and only 1 or maybe 2 aft weapons.

    Either way, we don't know anything till they release stats. It might not have 5x fore weapons. It might have them but only 2 tac consoles. Or a turn rate of 3. Or less hull/shielding than a shuttle. We really know nothing at this point.
  • bones1970bones1970 Member Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Will not play much till they fix the fleet-mark situation so no need for a new ship.
  • cmdrskyfallercmdrskyfaller Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Simple:

    5 fore guns 2 aft.


    2 of the 5 fore do not have forward arcs, their arc is 45 degrees from the middle of the hull to fore. Aka it cant shoot anything in the fore 45 degrees.

    that would make it a 3 fore 2 aft 2 broadside weapon slots.

    essentially it allows the ship to be almost like a cruise if it loads full beam arrays... or have relatively decent forward firepower with added niche of broadside weapons.

    it will probably be best as a 5 beam array 2 torpedo broadside ship.
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  • gtheggtheg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Fed counter to a Raptor?

    5 weps front
    1 aft

    38 hull
    15 turn
    .99 shield

    4 tac
    4 eng
    1 sci

    cmdr tac
    lt. cmdr tac
    lt eng
    lt sci
    lt uni
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