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Introduce a tax on refined dilithium system to help fleets
diogene0
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One of the main issues small fleets encounter is to make sure everyone is contributing, especially in one of the most precious ressources, which is dilithium. Currently, the contribution system is based on player's good will. Of course we end up with 3-4 players only giving dil while others don't do it for many reasons. It only create griefs and frustration.
What would really help small fleets to progress is a tax on the amount of diluthium you refine, when you refine it. Not on the one you buy from the exchange, just a % of what you refine. Of course, it would be possible to set it at 0% so that people can still get in tax free fleets, and those fleets wouldn't make any progress at all but that's not an issue, it's a choice.
What i'm asking for is the possibility for fleets to make sure everyone contributes to the progresses of the starbase, to make sure everyone shares the burden of dilithium contribution.
This dilithium could award some fleet credits (1 dil for 1 fleet credit) to make sure that the dil going into the fleet pool isn't wasted for players. Fleet leaders could choose to use the dil from the fleet pool on projetcs.
Such a tax system exists in most MMOs, and it helps players to make progresses and reduces frustration, because you know no one is taking advantage of you. I'm really surprised Cryptic didn't add such a feature to the game yet.
What would really help small fleets to progress is a tax on the amount of diluthium you refine, when you refine it. Not on the one you buy from the exchange, just a % of what you refine. Of course, it would be possible to set it at 0% so that people can still get in tax free fleets, and those fleets wouldn't make any progress at all but that's not an issue, it's a choice.
What i'm asking for is the possibility for fleets to make sure everyone contributes to the progresses of the starbase, to make sure everyone shares the burden of dilithium contribution.
This dilithium could award some fleet credits (1 dil for 1 fleet credit) to make sure that the dil going into the fleet pool isn't wasted for players. Fleet leaders could choose to use the dil from the fleet pool on projetcs.
Such a tax system exists in most MMOs, and it helps players to make progresses and reduces frustration, because you know no one is taking advantage of you. I'm really surprised Cryptic didn't add such a feature to the game yet.
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The pool should only ever be allowed to go to fleet projects, nothing else.
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While I attempt to regularly contribute to my fleet's development, I do so willingly. Force it upon me, and I'll quit the fleet guaranteed.
Agreed. I am a fleet leader and I don't want this at all. Contributions should be free will. After all they are contributions.
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This is why it should be an option. Leaving a fleet you don't like is also a valid one anyway. But since such a system would be completely optional, i don't see why someone can say no.
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Default it to 0% and I'm game for it. Giving fleets more options for internal management isn't a bad thing.
It does not have to be a tax, it can be a bonus. You earn your usual 1000 dil, and IN ADDITION 100 dil is generated and appears in the fleet.
I don't think you understand the mentality of too many gamers... Min/Max.
1. Optional will turn into required by all but an extremely small number of fleets. Why should they not take some of your money.
2. Guild Drama - Corrupted Leader or someone going out with a bang could use the system to stifle/kill a good fleet.
3. Reduced Contribution - Why should I continue my current level of contribution if your just going to tax the heck out my earnings anyway?
some people have been in fleets for years and dont want to contribute. that is their choice as it is the leaders choice to keep them there.
i can only see this causing problems as its going to be hard for now established fleets to agree, and will cause a lot of shake ups and people leaving.
if someone is in your fleet doing nothing to help, then maybe they should be kicked or told to help out, even if its a little rather than forced to do something.
This sounds like a Fleet Recruiting and management issue and not an automated systems issue.
In the Stahl-maggedan thread someone brought up adding a similar system to STO that yields both fleet marks and dilithium for fleet projects instead of prestige. With some tweaks it might actually be a viable passive mechanic for fleets to grow with.
1 - Tax free fleets will continue to exist. People willing not to pay a dime will go there, and if you're right they will be successful. So why should you worry about that?
2 - It's not money, it's an in game currency, nothing more. But most people see it as money since it's convertible to cash-store currency. But it remains only some figures in your account tab
3 - I haven't talked about anything else but dilithium. People willing to contribute more will be able to do so. But at least everyone will be on an equal footing.
4 - "Corruption" is a dishonnest argument. Such a system won't change people. Fleet leaders will remain what they are. It will even make non-contributing players/dead weights "good" players (from a fleet point of view). Such players will be free to quit if they are unhappy and will probably find another T3/4/5 fleet without any trouble, so they won't even loose anything.
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Be forced to pay and not be guaranteed access to all the special fleet stuff like consoles and such......That's what your asking for,for entire fleet to be forced into helping what could possibly be only a few people in the fleet improve themselves,and not get anything worthwhile in return.
Hear Hear!!
Say you refine your 8k dilithium and you get a 25% bonus of 2k dilithium in a seperate Fleet Dilithium pool which you can only donate to fleet projects! It'd be something and people wouldn't lose dilithium from the refinement cap due to any kind of taxes.
I'm a fleet leader and I wouldn't want to tax members at all - However a bonus for fleet projects would be better alternative in my opinion.
Because when you want something to happen, you better ask for something you can get. A bonus is unlikely to happen because it would lead to abuses. There's no limit to bonuses, and devs didn't say they would like to raise the cap artifically.
This is why a tax system is realistic. I just ask everyone here not to mix it with real life issues. I don't mind if you like taxes or not, you don't need to like something to see it can work, it's just a feature fleets should be able to use or not.
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Of course none of this would be a real problem if those that do the slotting would cease slotting stupid, dilithium gorging, cosmetic projects until the Starbases are complete.
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If people want to contribute let them don't force people this will ruin the game.
I say no to this idea.
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To quote something you said in another thread when I was saying about not wanting to leave a fleet you've sunk a lot of time and effort into.
"it's called count your loses and move on" so really if they did this you could just leave.
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If i put something into a fleet,willingly or not,i expect at some point to get something in return,being forced into paying for someone elses TRIBBLE doesnt sit well with me.As it is now it's very easy for someone to dump alot of resources into a fleet willingly and not get anything in return,but thats their choice,being forced into it though is a different matter all together
Please explain the meaning of "forced" when the "leave" button is on the roster page?
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B. The tax is subtracted from the ore I'm refining but doesn't count against my daily total. So I would still have to refine 8800 ore to get my 8000, but at the end of the day I would still be able to hit the cap.
I would agree to B, not A.
Overall I still don't think it's a great idea, and the justification that it would reduce grief and frustration is a poor one. If you don't like the level of contribution going on you are free to find another fleet, but the situation without remedy is one where a fleet leader goes afk. There's no real remedy, especially if they decide to grief the fleet by signing in occasionally. Giving them a tax ability opens up players to even more severe griefing.
I'm not saying the unequal contributions are fair, but they're a form of negligent grief that you're free to walk away from. Tax powers open up the possibility of malicious grief that can't be redressed.
Seriously, here's the answer if you don't like the level of contributions from your fleet mates. I don't know how you can hand this out glibly to others without applying it to your own concerns.
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By all means, feel free to implement such a system for the members of your current Fleet; and let all the other Fleets decide how best to run their own internal affairs with regard to Fleet member contribution for Fleet progression.
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Yep agreed, I would pull all but one toon that doesn't refine. As long as I have access to fleet stores and SB amenities I contribute above and beyond. Tax me or force me to contribute and I go the other way.
See how easily this could keep thing unbalanced? NO WAY your penalizing me for having multiple toons or spend more time in game.
Now I have seen talk of some sort of "Dilithium Refinery" for Fleets that would be cool but to force people to give up the most valuable resource in the game you'll see a mass exodus from fleet's
Again agreed implement this and you'll see a mass exodus and more newer small/Tiny fleets of people deciding to go it alone and having the same issues as the OP.