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10 reasons why Stark Trek is waaaaay better than star wars
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Think up reasons why! my 10 are:
10. Darth Vader has only one sphere, the Death Star. The Borg have thousands upon thousands of spheres AND cubes. (Geometric shapes seem to be a favorite among villans...)
9. Those light sabers are kinda primative compared to phasers. Why have a sword when you can have a gun?
8. Star Trek has five series and a lot more movies.
7. The Federation vs. The Force. Idiot Vader wouldn't have a chance!
6. Star Trek's technology is much more advanced. What's so bad about transporters saving you life, anyway?
5. The graphics in Voyager alone are just as good as those in the re-made version of Star Wars.
4. Vulcans, Carrdasions, Klingons, Romulans, Remons, Jem Hadar (I could go on like forever)
3. DOMINION!!!!!!!
2. There is more than one way to get around...from star ships to shuttles to transporters...from warp to transwarp to slip stream...
And the Number One Reason Why Star Trek is Better Than Star Wars:
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the-"
We are the Borg. Resistance as you know it is over. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile.
I am Vader of Borg, resistance, is futile.
10. Darth Vader has only one sphere, the Death Star. The Borg have thousands upon thousands of spheres AND cubes. (Geometric shapes seem to be a favorite among villans...)
9. Those light sabers are kinda primative compared to phasers. Why have a sword when you can have a gun?
8. Star Trek has five series and a lot more movies.
7. The Federation vs. The Force. Idiot Vader wouldn't have a chance!
6. Star Trek's technology is much more advanced. What's so bad about transporters saving you life, anyway?
5. The graphics in Voyager alone are just as good as those in the re-made version of Star Wars.
4. Vulcans, Carrdasions, Klingons, Romulans, Remons, Jem Hadar (I could go on like forever)
3. DOMINION!!!!!!!
2. There is more than one way to get around...from star ships to shuttles to transporters...from warp to transwarp to slip stream...
And the Number One Reason Why Star Trek is Better Than Star Wars:
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the-"
We are the Borg. Resistance as you know it is over. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile.
I am Vader of Borg, resistance, is futile.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Star Wars Sucks
Nice try.
Both are good in their own way, but as about as comparable as Babylon Five and Lord of the Rings.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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They both have their place. Star Trek for hard sci-fi, Star Wars for soft sci-fi and epic sagas.
Now can someone please fix my lightsaber bat'tleh so I can hack Borg drones in glorious neon colored light?
I had my son look at your Bat'leth. I'm afraid the crystals are burnt out. They need to be replaced.
Unfortunately, the crystals needed only exist in the Star Wars universe.
Don't get me wrong, I love Star Trek more than Star Wars, but that doesn't mean I don't like Star Wars. I love the original trilogy and the Droids cartoon. I grew up on those. And I also enjoy Babylon 5 and StarGate SG-1 and the ALIEN series as much as anyone other sci-fi geek. I like B5 and SG-1 for their surreal settings, and the ALIEN films for its realistic approach to ship design and travel.
Personally, I have to agree with Artan. Star Wars also has it's strong points that get it right up there with Star Trek.
For me, while Star Trek has awesome-looking ships and great characters and time-travel stories, Star Wars makes up for it with good space-battle action - and I'm talking about the original trilogy, not the prequels. The only good thing that came out of the prequels, IMO, were the Naboo Fighters and Ep. III's ending.
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As for your opinions... artan42 gave some simple rebuttals. My addendum..
10) The first Death Star was 160 km in diameter, the second at around 900 km. Those dwarf the Cubes by orders of magnitude (the smaller Death Star having 238000 times the volume of the 3km Assimilation Cube). The Imperial Star Destroyers numbered in the thousands, and rival the Dominion Dreadnoughts in size... Vader's flagship from Empire and Jedi, the Executor, is estimated to around 17.5 km from comparing its size to those of the ISDs.
9) Why would you use a Bat'leth if you have a laser sub-machine gun? Lightsabers at least are shown to deflect directed-energy weapons...
8) Quantity does not have a direct relationship with quality, and as for material considered canon, there's dozens of books, games, and peripheral material that Lucas Licensing considers as canon... CBS does not consider Trek novels or games canon...
7) Battle Group Omega vs Death Squadron. There's a bit of an order-of-magnitude problem here... and if it was going to a lead figure vs lead figure fight, I'd put my money on the guy who can choke the other one to death by just looking...
6) Sentient machines are a daily occurrence in Star Wars, not merely a technological marvel. Hyperdrive allows one to cross a hundred thousand lightyears in a matter of days, not lifetimes.
5) Evidence? What would this have to do with anything, anyway... ILM (a company founded by Lucas, by the way) did a good amount of the visual effects for both franchises...
4) Wookiees, Duros, Hutts, Twi'lek, Bothans, Mon Calamari, Chiss...
3) The EMPIRE!!! (seriously, what were you going for, here?)
2) Don't need slipstream or transwarp when Hyperdrive is faster.
1) Vader of Borg? Seriously? Vader would probably just chuck droids or debris or bumbling lieutenants at the drones, making it hard to actually assimilate him. The cube would also meet much more resistance than the one from First Contact did, since it would be trying to fight far above its weight range. (Remember the Executor? 17.5 km dagger of death?)
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When Iron Man's armor is powered by a micro-warp core, shoots phaser beams instead of repulsors, and can travel at speeds of up to warp 9.99 in deep space.
I want to see this happen YESTERDAY.
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Extent of colonization and size of government aren't matters of technological advancement, but age. Same goes for global urbanization. Star Trek, all but a few races attained space travel within the last few hundred to a thousand years, Star Wars most did so tens of thousands of years ago. Technology in Star Wars has not substantially advanced at any point in hard canon or the extended universe (you could argue it's actually declined, as the Death Star was a child's toy compared to some of the ancient lost technologies).
Weapon yields: Trek. The TOS Enterprise was described as able to level a planet, and a quite small fleet in DS9 very nearly succeeded in outright destroying one. In Wars, outright destruction of a planet is impossible without immense superweapons with crew complements in the seven digit range.
Defenses: Trek. They're very inconsistently portrayed in both, but on average Trek defenses appear more effective and against stronger weapons.
Materials: Trek with a big caveat. Exotic materials could go either way, but Trek uses energy fields to strengthen materials far beyond their physical limits, something that gives it a materials science edge over most sci fi universes.
Power generation: Trek, primarily for fuel consumption. Both Trek's antimatter and Wars' hypermatter reactors have potential power output so large that it doesn't matter, hypermatter reactors are described as consuming immense amounts of exotic fuel. Trek ships use much smaller amounts of the most abundant element in the universe which they're outfitted to collect themselves, and under normal operation can operate on a net negative fuel consumption.
Sublight propulsion: Trek by a mile, impulse speeds can very nearly approach c (possibly exceeding it, though that might just be sloppy writing) and traverse solar systems in minutes while Wars has fairly limited sublight speed for larger vessels.
FTL propulsion: Wars. Hyperdrive has some limitations that warp does not, but it's much faster and lower energy consumption. The only propulsion system seen in Trek that can match it for speed (Borg transwarp conduit) has greater limitations than hyperdrive.
Computing: Wars. Artificial sentience is such a common thing you can build them at home as a hobby, and they have literally no rights - you can call them into existence and banish them to the delete key on a whim and it's what everybody does. Star Trek's got a handful of advanced machines, built with varying levels of difficulty. Trek does get the moral win here for struggling with their rights after the fact.
Miscellany: Trek. Sensors, communication, and terraforming appear vastly superior in Trek. Trek also has teleporters, replicators, universal translators, and any number of other feats of penultimate technology that Wars does not. Basically, Trek technology is magic. Even Wars' most exotic technologies are still fairly mundane as a story requirement, because the characters are magic. A Jedi would barely merit a passing interest in Trek - telepathy is fairly common, telekinesis not unheard of, and nearly all of their tricks can be replicated technologically.
Which is kind of the reason this entire comparison is silly: They're opposite settings. Magic people with technolgoy vs. people with magic technology.
Most on-screen performances of Trek weaponry doesn't support the idea the Kirk's Enterprise could put out the firepower of the Death Star. Prolonged bombardment to destroy a civilization is a relatively reasonable capability to give it, though.
I'd posit that both are supposed to be roughly equal on the directed energy weapons capability... both use neutronium alloys in their armor: "Durasteel" is a neutronium-impregnated alloy with other technobabble ingredients.
No Time Travel.
You win.
The only good time travel episode in trek was "City on the Edge of Forever". Well, that and maybe the one with the fighter pilot.
Besides, this is a silly argument. Trek and Star Wars have their good parts and bad parts. I could just as easily say Farscape or Babylon Five were better than either and its only my opinion. Its like the argument of who could beat who in a fight betwween Superman and the Hulk....there will never be a resolution just fanboy/girl-isms.
I love both, Star trek a little more, but that's because I love Patrick Stewart
That said...
I never really enjoyed Star Wars. The only thing it ever had going for it, in my mind, is a bigger budget in the makeup/puppet department, and recent advances in CGFX technology have levelled the playing field in that area.
I don't think that many people on this forum are going to disagree with the OP's premise, though they might take issue with some items on the list - I know I do. My list would be something more like:
10. George Lucas had nothing to do with Star Trek.
9. No touchy-feely space wizards.
8. There are episodes of Star Trek which raise interesting philosophical and social issues, and really make you think. Star Wars was only ever about being entertaining (and if you want that, watch Farscape!)
7. There's no incestuous subtext in any episode of Trek that I've ever seen, but if Han Solo wasn't around, you can bet that Luke and Leia would have hooked up.
6. George Lucas had nothing to do with Star Trek.
5. http://www.beertripper.com/startrek_images/bp-DS9-Jadzia_Dax_and_Lenara_Kahn_kiss.jpg
4. T'Pol's bum.
3. Trek had the first interracial kiss ever featured on television, a bold move that sidestepped the censors of the day and called into question America and the Western world's outdated and latent racism. Star Wars had Jar-Jar Binks.
2. George Lucas had nothing to do with Star Trek.
1. Tribbles > Ewoks.
Trek also had Wesley, though.
But Star Trek is still the greatest Franchise ever made.
This moment made up for that though.
10 reasons why STARK Trek is better than Star Wars
1. Army of Iron Mans vs. Army of StormTroopers. (Advantage : Stark Trek)
2. Stark Trek's Ally #1 : Genetic Super Soldier. Captain America
Star Wars Ally #1 : Luke Skywalker
Personal Preference and a geek argument to have fun with.
Luke and his saber vs. cap and his shield ... who wins.
(Advantage : Even)
3. Stark Trek's Ally #2 : Billionaire, Philanthropist, Genius, Playboy. Iron Man.
Star Wars Ally # 2 : Han Solo
Han would shoot first.
(Advantage : Star Wars)
4. Stark Trek Ally #3 : Superspy, Martial Artist, Weapons Expert. Black Widow
Star Wars Ally #3 : Senator. Noble. Reluctant Warrior. Insurgent. Pricess Leia.
(Advantage : Stark Trek)
5. Stark Trek Ally #4 : Expert Marksman, Uses a Bow and Arrows ?
Star Wars Ally #4 : Wise, Master of an Ancient Order of Knights. Ben Kenobi.
"I can deflect Blaster Bolts with this magic glowing energy sword."
"I shoot arrows ... fast."
(Advantage : Star wars)
6. Stark Trek Ally #5 : The literal Norse God of Thunder. Thor.
Star Wars Ally #5 : Two Quirky Droids ! R2 and 3P0
(Advantage : Stark)
7. Stark Trek ally #5 : Rage Monster.
Star Wars Ally #5 : Wookie
(Advantage : Stark)
8. Imagine Tony Stark , Chief Engineer
Imagine The Hulk, Gamorrean Guard
(Advantage : Stark)
9. Stark Trek : Supposed Super Effective Military force : S.H.I.E.L.D.
Star Wars : Supposed Super Effective Military force : The Empire
(Advantage : Stark)
10. Nick Fury vs. Mace Windu ?
True, Wesley Crusher was a horrible writing decision, and should have been killed off rather than made immortal (I mean, seriously? Now future generations are going to be subjected to him too? Way to go, supposedly godlike aliens.). I do agree with centersolace, of course - "Shut up, Wesley." was one of the greatest lines in Trek history.
My original point in comparing the Kirk-Ohura kiss to Jar-Jar Binks is that Trek helped to define social equality nearly a half-century ago, while Star Wars annoyed the African-American community with a clumsy stereotype (accidental or not) as late as 1999.
Babylon 5 blows them both out of the water... um, sky... errr, galaxy?
Best. Series. Ever.
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Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
Entire Imperial Starfleet, The Sun Crusher, The Death Star(s), The Galaxy Gun.. ..
Honestly this argument is old as time itself but its all based on x-factors and knowledge of both sides.
The extended universe novel Crosscurrent respectfully disagrees.
I'm very fond of both universes, since I pretty much grew up with both.
10. Better Droids.
09. Sisko doesn't find your lack of faith disturbing.
08. More accurate bad guys.
07. No midi-chlorians.
06. The musicians know more than one song.
05. Mudd's Women.
04. Jadzia actually kisses the wookie.
03. Wesley Crusher dies.
02. Ships that small do have a cloaking device.
And the number one reason why Star Trek is better than Star Wars:
01. The Enterprise doesn't have that Governor Tarkin smell.
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All cloaks should be canon.
Say what? When did that happen? I missed it?
I hope it was more meaningless than Tasha Yar's death.
Seriously, though, I thought he just got spirited away by space Indians (not sure if that's the politically correct term to use, but "space native americans" just sounded silly).