No, I don't know it at all, I just assumed As far as speculations go, why would they give away freebies - certainly not if those freebies would still be sold well. That leaves us with the pre-F2P payships (2000 Zen each) and according to the value calculation branflakes posted it is likely that we'll get one of these tonight. Like I said, I was hoping for the Nebula since I like her as much as the Galaxy but yesterday they gave us the Rhode Island and Gorn Phalanx and I can't imagine it's going to be another science vessel - given they don't go by theme like alexvecci suggested.
So I think it's realistic to assume it'll be the Gal-R and maybe it's because they want to "try her out" like you suggested. Who knows, maybe it's going to be something completely different, but I can't imagine that they'd give away the Defiant retro since of all old ships I assume that this one still is sold occasionally.
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
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I'd love them to give away the Galaxy-R, but look at Thursday's patch notes... Under "ships"... They're giving away the Vulcan D'Kyr i think.
Plus I bet very few of those are sold.
Hmm... I'm still going with "maybe not two science vessels"
I wouldn't have a problem with the D'kyr, though that one's really hard to justify. Why would my science officer command a Vulcan vessel? Yes, that is my biggest problem in that regard I could somehow justify it being a Vulcan contribution to the New Romulus Task Force but still... non Starfleet ships are too odd to integrate in the game.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I remember when it came out there where many of them outside ESD and in STFs.
I admit, it looks awesome and i like it but it's BOFF layout is not what i want.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. I remember when it came out there where many of them outside ESD and in STFs.
I admit, it looks awesome and i like it but it's BOFF layout is not what i want.
Agreed. Everything the D'Kyr can do, Intrepid/Fleet Intrepid can do better.
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I hope they do something with the Galaxy if they are going to release it free on the store for the giveaway. I'm using a Galaxy Retro at the moment and to get anywhere with it i've had to pour some serious EC/FC/DIL into it.
Ain't that the truth. My Galaxy-R can still get many of the jobs done and hold her own, but it was expensive and grindy as hell just to keep the ship somewhat competitive and relevant in comparison.....well, in comparison to everything else.
Personally, as I said before - I'm not a DPS junkie, so I could go with the Galaxy's role of being the "uber" engineering cruiser it's suposed to be in STO acording to Cryptic, but this would mean that they need to revisit the engineering Boff abilities and shared cooldowns as well as bringing back the role of the cruisers in the game. It's not just the Galaxy, she just had the misfortune to be the prime example of the lost role of cruisers due to her extremely engineering oriented setup.
I think the so called "trinity" is stupid enough to begin with, but if they wanted to have that model in STO - they should at least make sure it works properly.
In one of the latest interviews I read, mr.Stahl said that they're hoping to still make Star Trek long into 2018. This is a pipedream if they don't bring back the role of the cruiser and the relevance of the science abilities in this game. If they continue ignoring these issues, the whole game will fall apart much earlier.
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So the freebie wasn't the Gal but another sci ship. Hadn't thought they'd do that. But I'm very happy that they give away the Nebula, I wanted her for a long time
Still doesn't reveal cryptics plans regarding the Gal, though
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"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
So the freebie wasn't the Gal but another sci ship. Hadn't thought they'd do that. But I'm very happy that they give away the Nebula, I wanted her for a long time
Still doesn't reveal cryptics plans regarding the Gal, though
The Nebula is still in the Galaxy's family of ships, thus it's still a step forward.
So the freebie wasn't the Gal but another sci ship. Hadn't thought they'd do that. But I'm very happy that they give away the Nebula, I wanted her for a long time
Still doesn't reveal cryptics plans regarding the Gal, though
As if they really had a plan for the GCS.
Maybe it's just me, but i get the feeling as if there where someone telling them to forgo the Galaxy Class, so they released the T5 Excelsior, the T5 Ambassador (both with a much better BOFF/console Layout) and now they release the T5 Nebula for free.
Literary every other Cruiser has a bigger potential for firepower. Not that the GCS was all about firepower, but to deny it's huge offensive power is like to make a Defiant as nimble as a Death star, lol.
I just try to understand what's going on with cryptics devs.
About the T5 Nebula,
i think they did a much better job with its BOFF/Console Layout than with the Galaxy -R.
If they just had changed the T5 Nebulas Science to engineering BOFFs and vice versa, i think the GCS would have been awesome.
It would look like this: Tac: Lt. Engineering: Cmdr., Ensign Science: Lt.Cmdr. Universal: Lt.
I think with such a BOFF Layout the GCS in STO would have been much better and first and foremost much more true to its original.
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its worth mentioning that the monbosh, or whatever, wile really ugly, is the best cruiser so far for those that want to use a cruiser for more then just healing. it might not have 42k+ hull, but in every other way its the best. it couldn't be farther removed from the galaxy R lol. i just wish it looked like a galaxy, its properly powerful like it should be. pretty close to the tac version of the galaxy in my 3 pack proposal, only with DHC use and an immensely better turn rate.
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I don't know if this has already brought up, but my main complaint of the Galaxy is how the standard captain level Exploration Cruiser is the only ship I've seen that loses the proper texture when you zoom out abit too much.
It becomes this windowless, ugly, broken textured thing. The impulse trails don't even match up with the engines when it gets this weird look. I wouldn't mind seeing the Galaxy skin getting a little work on it, especially the deflector and the -X's lance position, but at least get rid of this ugly texture switch.
The -R and -X don't do this, and I have no idea why this happens. I've only seen it on the Galaxy, Celestial and Envoy skins (at least on the saucers), yet to see a Venture turn.
Anyone else getting this problem, or is it just a glitch on my end?
its worth mentioning that the monbosh, or whatever, wile really ugly, is the best cruiser so far for those that want to use a cruiser for more then just healing. it might not have 42k+ hull, but in every other way its the best. it couldn't be farther removed from the galaxy R lol. i just wish it looked like a galaxy, its properly powerful like it should be. pretty close to the tac version of the galaxy in my 3 pack proposal, only with DHC use and an immensely better turn rate.
I'm just thinking, for most players the ship itself (appearance, meaning and so on) isn't really important, so maybe the devs are thinking they do us a favour when releasing a ship with almost perfect GCS BOFF/Console layout.
I have noticed many people only flying a ship because of its BOFF Layout, no matter what ship it is. I think its a sad habit many MMO players have.
I mean most people would fly a steamy pile of **** if it had 2x Cmdr Tac stations and 5 forward DHC slots, lol.
I think all ships should be equal strong, just with different focus or different special abilities, but not classified into "roles" like tank (victim), Escort (Super OP cannon destroyer) or Science (impotent wizard) like in STO.
In my personal opinion such a "mechanic" in STO clearly favours Escorts above all other ships, while the ships like Cruisers are rated as third rate ships.
As i have already said, the GCS has drawn the short straw on so many levels, it just cannot be a coincidence IMO. Someone at Cryptic/PWE/Devs obviously dislikes the GCS and refuses and kills any attempt to improve it.
If you consider the iconic status and the importance of this ship for the history of Star Trek (its revival in the 90s and start of the TNG timeline), Cryptic has done a awful job in implementing it into their game.
In fact i have never seen ANY game where the GCS was made such a bad ship.
It's almost as if they didn't want people to fly it. Nothin about the stats and the BOFF/console Layout of this keeps someone using it, the only reason ANYONE is flying it is because it is the GCS, not because its a good ship in STO (it's not even a acceptable one).
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I don't know if this has already brought up, but my main complaint of the Galaxy is how the standard captain level Exploration Cruiser is the only ship I've seen that loses the proper texture when you zoom out abit too much.
It becomes this windowless, ugly, broken textured thing. The impulse trails don't even match up with the engines when it gets this weird look. I wouldn't mind seeing the Galaxy skin getting a little work on it, especially the deflector and the -X's lance position, but at least get rid of this ugly texture switch.
The -R and -X don't do this, and I have no idea why this happens. I've only seen it on the Galaxy, Celestial and Envoy skins (at least on the saucers), yet to see a Venture turn.
Anyone else getting this problem, or is it just a glitch on my end?
I have problems myself, especially at the Tailor when selecting different windows, they just don't get displayed.
Color pattern also don't get displayed, and choosing a specific color is also impossible.
But for me all this is only secondarily, as long as this ship has such a lame and passive BOFF/Console Layout it wouldn't help if they would make the model itself completely perfect.
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yup. not even a joke how bad eng powers are, sci, not so bad, but ops abilities? lol past et1+epts2 or epts1+aux2s1 they are the absolute worst abilities in the game. and utterly useless.
aceton beam would be a poster child of that.
narrow arc ability for a class of ships with stunted agility meaning they cant turn to use it. and to add to that, despite having a good premise, it does no damage has no effect and had a massive cd timer attached to it.
Yeah, it's a tool to annoy people in PvP at best, but certainly NOT worth a lt.cmdr or higher slot.
For me aceton beam is a prime example of how useless most Engineering Powers are.
If it where a tactical BOFF power, would anyone seriously consider to use it?
(the sam for DEM btw.)
I see more and more threads about buffing Science powers, while i agree that science is too weak, Engineering is beyond good and evil. Compared to Science and Tactical it is just TRIBBLE to be blunt.
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Yeah, it's a tool to annoy people in PvP at best, but certainly NOT worth a lt.cmdr or higher slot.
For me aceton beam is a prime example of how useless most Engineering Powers are.
If it where a tactical BOFF power, would anyone seriously consider to use it?
(the sam for DEM btw.)
I see more and more threads about buffing Science powers, while i agree that science is too weak, Engineering is beyond good and evil. Compared to Science and Tactical it is just TRIBBLE to be blunt.
i think TRIBBLE is a understatement there isnt a single effective offensive enge power in the game that cant be cleared by a low lvl tac or sci power
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I support anything that promotes the Galaxy in STO and her revamp and restoration to her rightfull place in the cruiser lineup. I'd like mine in any variation of GREEN if possible, please.
All this wouldn't be a problem if STO where a singleplayer sandbox like game, so we could mod it ourselves to be much more like "real" trek.
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Well I've seen it pop up a lot in a couple of posts already. The galaxy suffers from the fact that it is too much engineering focused.
So the fix is not fixing the ships boff layout, but rather
Fixing the engineer Bo abilities.
Pretty much, but the likelihood of us getting new or drastically altered BOFF abilities is near zero. If it can't be shoved into a lockbox, or attached to a ship you have to buy, you probably aren't going to get any new "abilities" for free.
I was thinking on something. Can anyone check me on this?
At each tier the ships all have the same weapon slots. (C-store and lockbox compared in their categories)
Now shields. Does a base tier 5 shield give the same bonus to escorts, cruisers, and science vessels?
If so I think the issue is they forgot that escorts are tiny. A cruiser has a bigger power plant, more stations to do more things, and should carry bigger shields. If they want to give escorts more guns for their size, make cruiser shields and engine power significantly boosted as the payment for the sheer size of a cruiser. Otherwise this is having a dirigible in a dogfight.
Alternately, keep escorts exactly as they are, and increase the sheer number of weapon slots and warpcore slots on a cruiser. This gives them more of the beams they are supposed to be using and the power to actually fire them.
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No, I don't know it at all, I just assumed
So I think it's realistic to assume it'll be the Gal-R and maybe it's because they want to "try her out" like you suggested. Who knows, maybe it's going to be something completely different, but I can't imagine that they'd give away the Defiant retro since of all old ships I assume that this one still is sold occasionally.
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Plus I bet very few of those are sold.
Hmm... I'm still going with "maybe not two science vessels"
I wouldn't have a problem with the D'kyr, though that one's really hard to justify. Why would my science officer command a Vulcan vessel? Yes, that is my biggest problem in that regard
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I admit, it looks awesome and i like it but it's BOFF layout is not what i want.
Agreed. Everything the D'Kyr can do, Intrepid/Fleet Intrepid can do better.
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Ain't that the truth. My Galaxy-R can still get many of the jobs done and hold her own, but it was expensive and grindy as hell just to keep the ship somewhat competitive and relevant in comparison.....well, in comparison to everything else.
Personally, as I said before - I'm not a DPS junkie, so I could go with the Galaxy's role of being the "uber" engineering cruiser it's suposed to be in STO acording to Cryptic, but this would mean that they need to revisit the engineering Boff abilities and shared cooldowns as well as bringing back the role of the cruisers in the game. It's not just the Galaxy, she just had the misfortune to be the prime example of the lost role of cruisers due to her extremely engineering oriented setup.
I think the so called "trinity" is stupid enough to begin with, but if they wanted to have that model in STO - they should at least make sure it works properly.
In one of the latest interviews I read, mr.Stahl said that they're hoping to still make Star Trek long into 2018. This is a pipedream if they don't bring back the role of the cruiser and the relevance of the science abilities in this game. If they continue ignoring these issues, the whole game will fall apart much earlier.
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The Nebula is still in the Galaxy's family of ships, thus it's still a step forward.
As if they really had a plan for the GCS.
Maybe it's just me, but i get the feeling as if there where someone telling them to forgo the Galaxy Class, so they released the T5 Excelsior, the T5 Ambassador (both with a much better BOFF/console Layout) and now they release the T5 Nebula for free.
Literary every other Cruiser has a bigger potential for firepower. Not that the GCS was all about firepower, but to deny it's huge offensive power is like to make a Defiant as nimble as a Death star, lol.
I just try to understand what's going on with cryptics devs.
About the T5 Nebula,
i think they did a much better job with its BOFF/Console Layout than with the Galaxy -R.
If they just had changed the T5 Nebulas Science to engineering BOFFs and vice versa, i think the GCS would have been awesome.
It would look like this:
Tac: Lt.
Engineering: Cmdr., Ensign
Science: Lt.Cmdr.
Universal: Lt.
I think with such a BOFF Layout the GCS in STO would have been much better and first and foremost much more true to its original.
i am in for this too, make it so:)
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Ill take one thanks for doing this. Any color will do.
Like i mean, it doesn't look too bad here
http://i.imgur.com/HbcIJR8.jpg
But then you get too far away and it just..
http://i.imgur.com/m413dFB.jpg
It becomes this windowless, ugly, broken textured thing. The impulse trails don't even match up with the engines when it gets this weird look. I wouldn't mind seeing the Galaxy skin getting a little work on it, especially the deflector and the -X's lance position, but at least get rid of this ugly texture switch.
The -R and -X don't do this, and I have no idea why this happens. I've only seen it on the Galaxy, Celestial and Envoy skins (at least on the saucers), yet to see a Venture turn.
Anyone else getting this problem, or is it just a glitch on my end?
I have noticed many people only flying a ship because of its BOFF Layout, no matter what ship it is. I think its a sad habit many MMO players have.
I mean most people would fly a steamy pile of **** if it had 2x Cmdr Tac stations and 5 forward DHC slots, lol.
I think all ships should be equal strong, just with different focus or different special abilities, but not classified into "roles" like tank (victim), Escort (Super OP cannon destroyer) or Science (impotent wizard) like in STO.
In my personal opinion such a "mechanic" in STO clearly favours Escorts above all other ships, while the ships like Cruisers are rated as third rate ships.
As i have already said, the GCS has drawn the short straw on so many levels, it just cannot be a coincidence IMO. Someone at Cryptic/PWE/Devs obviously dislikes the GCS and refuses and kills any attempt to improve it.
If you consider the iconic status and the importance of this ship for the history of Star Trek (its revival in the 90s and start of the TNG timeline), Cryptic has done a awful job in implementing it into their game.
In fact i have never seen ANY game where the GCS was made such a bad ship.
It's almost as if they didn't want people to fly it. Nothin about the stats and the BOFF/console Layout of this keeps someone using it, the only reason ANYONE is flying it is because it is the GCS, not because its a good ship in STO (it's not even a acceptable one).
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I have problems myself, especially at the Tailor when selecting different windows, they just don't get displayed.
Color pattern also don't get displayed, and choosing a specific color is also impossible.
But for me all this is only secondarily, as long as this ship has such a lame and passive BOFF/Console Layout it wouldn't help if they would make the model itself completely perfect.
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So the fix is not fixing the ships boff layout, but rather
Fixing the engineer Bo abilities.
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Yeah, it's a tool to annoy people in PvP at best, but certainly NOT worth a lt.cmdr or higher slot.
For me aceton beam is a prime example of how useless most Engineering Powers are.
If it where a tactical BOFF power, would anyone seriously consider to use it?
(the sam for DEM btw.)
I see more and more threads about buffing Science powers, while i agree that science is too weak, Engineering is beyond good and evil. Compared to Science and Tactical it is just TRIBBLE to be blunt.
i think TRIBBLE is a understatement there isnt a single effective offensive enge power in the game that cant be cleared by a low lvl tac or sci power
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I support anything that promotes the Galaxy in STO and her revamp and restoration to her rightfull place in the cruiser lineup. I'd like mine in any variation of GREEN if possible, please.
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Let's hope these start raising some eyebrows at Cryptic Studios when we post on the forum.
While I remain doubtful that it will.
I too hope that they will.
Pretty much, but the likelihood of us getting new or drastically altered BOFF abilities is near zero. If it can't be shoved into a lockbox, or attached to a ship you have to buy, you probably aren't going to get any new "abilities" for free.
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At each tier the ships all have the same weapon slots. (C-store and lockbox compared in their categories)
Now shields. Does a base tier 5 shield give the same bonus to escorts, cruisers, and science vessels?
If so I think the issue is they forgot that escorts are tiny. A cruiser has a bigger power plant, more stations to do more things, and should carry bigger shields. If they want to give escorts more guns for their size, make cruiser shields and engine power significantly boosted as the payment for the sheer size of a cruiser. Otherwise this is having a dirigible in a dogfight.
Alternately, keep escorts exactly as they are, and increase the sheer number of weapon slots and warpcore slots on a cruiser. This gives them more of the beams they are supposed to be using and the power to actually fire them.
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Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.