Then I'm confused. If you guys knew that CBS already turned this down, why are you always raging at Cryptic and their developers instead of CBS?
It's no wonder that your cause is going nowhere. You expect Cryptic to do something that you guys won't try to do for yourselves? Really? If what you say it true, then you guys truly are wasting your time on this forum if you expect Cryptic to violate their directive and licensing agreement from CBS regarding this matter.
Based on what you said, the title of this thread should REALLY be "What is your beef with the Galaxy CBS?"
hmm, not at all.
you are jumping to conclusions here.
there responses was " we are not taking interviews" kind of responses ( yes it was not that, but if they would have said that it would have feel the same).
so nothing that indicate that they are clearly supporting a undepower galaxy but more that they don't want to enter this kind of hot debate that would bring them nothing but troubles.
beside as i already state before, this theory daesn't hold , why would they want a galaxy less powerfull than an exelsior but absolutely don't want a enterprise tos to be as powerfull as a tiers 5 ship?
hmm, not at all.
you are jumping to conclusions here.
there responses was " we are not taking interviews" kind of responses ( yes it was not that, but if they would have said that it would have feel the same).
so nothing that indicate that they are clearly supporting a undepower galaxy but more that they don't want to enter this kind of hot debate that would bring them nothing but troubles.
beside as i already state before, this theory daesn't hold , why would they want a galaxy less powerfull than an exelsior but absolutely don't want a enterprise tos to be as powerfull as a tiers 5 ship?
And again, what are you guys going to do about that except complaining on this thread? Has ANYBODY followed up on the CBS info that I provided?
This is interesting. You guys have spent over 400+ pages complaining about this issue, but appear to be too paralyzed to make a phone call to see if you can get ANY additional info. Why is that?
cbs isn't micromanaging cryptic to the point were its dictating exact station setups. they would only protest if something truly outlandish was proposed, like the defiant having all sci stations or something. luckily they know cryptic wont attempt something silly like that. talking to cbs about it would be pointless, this is cryptic's jurisdiction.
unless they were familiar with the game, and played it, the guy you would get a hold of at cbs would have absolutely no idea what 'it has to many eng station powers' would even mean, you would just come off as a very very strange little nerd.
Sorry I have been off the thread for a little while and I apologize if this has been asked already.
However, have the new cruiser commands offset the deficiencies in the galaxy?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Sorry I have been off the thread for a little while and I apologize if this has been asked already.
However, have the new cruiser commands offset the deficiencies in the galaxy?
All cruisers got the new commands so it didn't make the Galaxy really any better. Plus with the low 5km range it puts out havent really seen a good use of them unless your the one piloting the cruiser. All in all the GCS is still the worst cause all other cruisers can do any build alittle better.
All cruisers got the new commands so it didn't make the Galaxy really any better. Plus with the low 5km range it puts out havent really seen a good use of them unless your the one piloting the cruiser. All in all the GCS is still the worst cause all other cruisers can do any build alittle better.
yea very true , look this way: same Free crucier what is more efective than a 2000 (Z) galaxy have the same commands => so reaally nothing change....
sry for mi english.
trait stubborn still flyng the galaxy ship in a lost attemp to feel the ship fit in this "Star Trek ESCORTS vs frikin dynos with laser in the heads" xD
All cruisers got the new commands so it didn't make the Galaxy really any better. Plus with the low 5km range it puts out havent really seen a good use of them unless your the one piloting the cruiser. All in all the GCS is still the worst cause all other cruisers can do any build alittle better.
So what your saying is when they buffed all Cruisers it didn't actually make them better?
That is just crazy.
I love Cruiser Commands on my cruiser and I have been putting them to good use. Yeah you do have actually talk to your teammates and coordinate, but you should be doing that regardless.
If you can't figure out how to make good use of the commands that not Cryptic's problem.
That's your own issue.
So what your saying is when they buffed all Cruisers it didn't actually make them better?
That is just crazy.
I love Cruiser Commands on my cruiser and I have been putting them to good use. Yeah you do have actually talk to your teammates and coordinate, but you should be doing that regardless.
If you can't figure out how to make good use of the commands that not Cryptic's problem.
That's your own issue.
Thats not the point bro is a wrong concep , letme explain (hope mi limited english help) crucier command NOT solve any issue (shared cooldowns , underperformed powers etc) this boost ANY ship on it , maybe give a more especific reason to exist for the cruciers but not fix anything.
What any crucier pilot manage to made the team work like a real TEAM and buuf near ship is another topic.
What he means is that the differential between cruisers is still the same. E.G. Sovvy is buffed on turn rate by the same amount as the Galaxy so there is no improvement of the GCS in comparison to other cruisers. Had the cruiser commands been available only to GCS then it would have offset some of the difference.
Exactly as said above it didn't change anything for the Galaxy as she is still in last place for the cruisers.
Though on a side note, I believe it still needs a slightly bigger radius on them hopefully when they add the comm array slots one will allow for your radius to be around 10km or slightly more (or effect all group members) to make it so that its easier to keep grouped together so everyone enjoys the benefits.
the thing is that cruiser command haven't been made to enhanced the galaxy but to enhanced all cruiser, federation and klingons cruiser to be more efficient in comparaison to escort and warbird.
the intention was not to reduced the gap between galaxy and other cruiser.
so it is logic that as a galaxy you don't get more than the other ( galaxy got the 4 power ).
i am pointless tho as to the justification that the galaxy x just got 2, and not the best furthemore.
in that case, the gap have been increased...once again.
i guess the galaxy x was bordeless OP already, if it ever got the same as other tactical cruiser, can you imagine?
no way!
engage the galaxy syndrome procedure!!
The galaxy still needs more firepower to be the ship it was in the series
and not a joke as it currently is
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
the thing is that cruiser command haven't been made to enhanced the galaxy but to enhanced all cruiser, federation and klingons cruiser to be more efficient in comparaison to escort and warbird.
the intention was not to reduced the gap between galaxy and other cruiser.
so it is logic that as a galaxy you don't get more than the other ( galaxy got the 4 power ).
i am pointless tho as to the justification that the galaxy x just got 2, and not the best furthemore.
in that case, the gap have been increased...once again.
i guess the galaxy x was bordeless OP already, if it ever got the same as other tactical cruiser, can you imagine?
no way!
engage the galaxy syndrome procedure!!
Still don't understand why the G-X only gets 2 though I'm hoping real soon they either release the fleet version or atleast one of the Devs talks about what they decided as I think it was Geko who said they are revamping the G-X. Hopefully they are doing some dramatic changes to actually make only having 2 of the 4 commands justified.
Still don't understand why the G-X only gets 2 though I'm hoping real soon they either release the fleet version or atleast one of the Devs talks about what they decided as I think it was Geko who said they are revamping the G-X. Hopefully they are doing some dramatic changes to actually make only having 2 of the 4 commands justified.
seriously, it better be, if they want to give the ship only 2 command under the justification that it a dreadnought then give him some real dreadnought stats.
gecko really want to put a hangar on it, i hope that this is not what he called upgrade stats.
Still don't understand why the G-X only gets 2 though I'm hoping real soon they either release the fleet version or atleast one of the Devs talks about what they decided as I think it was Geko who said they are revamping the G-X. Hopefully they are doing some dramatic changes to actually make only having 2 of the 4 commands justified.
Hope im wrong but think they will give the saucer sep and say thats more than the ship really need and again will let the ship cover in dust....
trait stubborn still flyng the galaxy ship in a lost attemp to feel the ship fit in this "Star Trek ESCORTS vs frikin dynos with laser in the heads"
seriously, it better be, if they want to give the ship only 2 command under the justification that it a dreadnought then give him some real dreadnought stats.
gecko really want to put a hangar on it, i hope that this is not what he called upgrade stats.
If they made it similar to the Romulan Smitar with 5 forward weapons and 3 back or changed it to give more tac bo slots then yeah maybe but I really hope they aint gonna go the way of " Saucer separation works and we added a neat hanger have fun with the upgraded dreadnaught". Getting really tired of the whole this ship isn't quite right so lets add a hanger theme.
cbs isn't micromanaging cryptic to the point were its dictating exact station setups. they would only protest if something truly outlandish was proposed, like the defiant having all sci stations or something. luckily they know cryptic wont attempt something silly like that. talking to cbs about it would be pointless, this is cryptic's jurisdiction.
unless they were familiar with the game, and played it, the guy you would get a hold of at cbs would have absolutely no idea what 'it has to many eng station powers' would even mean, you would just come off as a very very strange little nerd.
It's interesting how that's the first thing you go to in order to avoid doing anything else other than whining. You guys have made it clear that you don't care what anybody else thinks about your "cause". Why get shy now?
Deep down inside, do YOU believe that "you're a very very strange nerd"? Otherwise, this is just a cop out for being too lazy or too unmotivated to even TRY to do something other than the usual non-productive whining.
On this thread, many of you guys come across like Bruce Lee. But when it would actually require you to have some REAL human interaction by even making a simple phone call, you appear to want to hide in the bushes like scared kittens. You are locked in this whinny stage, and you absolutely refuse to do ANYTHING else to even TRY to improve your situation.
You guys always tell your opposition what "real" Star Trek is, yet you hide from making a simple phone call in a definitely UN-Star Trek like manner. Who knows, if you call, you may actually get somewhere, and good for you if you do.
But to absolutely refuse to even do the basic follow-up to investigate ANY OTHER possibilities other than the current whinny one which has been an absolute failure, TOTALLY makes no sense. You guys have spent months and months on this thread whining about Cryptic, the devs, or anyone else who doesn't conform with your idea of what a GCS "should" be. So, is making a simple investigation via a telephone call REALLY that scary?
So your plan is to just keep whining and HOPING that the whining will eventually wear down CBS? (Oh, that's right. You guys appear to be too scared/lazy/unmotivated to actually contact CBS).
The Refit adds an Ensign Science. However we know in the Fleet version the Ensign is another Engineer. So why not just match the Refit Version....like especially if your like me and bought it at Captain.
Another Example....
Long Range Science Vessel http://sto.gamepedia.com/Intrepid
Adds an Ensign Engineering that at Fleet version is now another Science.
Are the Tier 4 Brdige refit layouts better? If so why not just use them. Viola!
Deep down inside, do YOU believe that "you're a very very strange nerd"? Otherwise, this is just a cop out for being too lazy or too unmotivated to even TRY to do something other than the usual non-productive whining.
That was actually a joke. You know, the '/grin' I posted with it? Though there is a great deal of truth to it. Star Trek is still mostly the Geek/Nerd fandom. Just like video games are still considered the primary geek/nerd entertainment - though the vast majority of the population plays video games in some form at the moment.
Though I'm still not understanding your roll in this. You don't care about the Galaxy. You take a great deal of pride in running in here every time someone posts to sob. Are you really so threatened by this thread that you want it stopped or are you just enjoying being a petty child? We understood your opinion the first time you meandered in to insult the thread and everyone in it. If you really despise us and the Galaxy so badly, why are you demeaning yourself with the thread and us?
As for CBS - you will find no one at CBS who gives a fiddler's damned about how the Galaxy is portrayed in Star Trek Online as CBS has already received payment for the licensing and use of the franchise and the Galaxy. Let me repeat: Until licensing is up for renewal, CBS doesn't give a damned about the game except that it's running and will give them money.
As to us not getting anything done, Cruiser Comm Relays are a silent admission that cruisers in their entirety needed help. So if we've gotten that far already, there's no reason to stop and backpedal now.
The Refit adds an Ensign Science. However we know in the Fleet version the Ensign is another Engineer. So why not just match the Refit Version....like especially if your like me and bought it at Captain.
Another Example....
Long Range Science Vessel http://sto.gamepedia.com/Intrepid
Adds an Ensign Engineering that at Fleet version is now another Science.
Are the Tier 4 Brdige refit layouts better? If so why not just use them. Viola!
the refits came out after the retrofits so they have the better boff layouts.
i know some intrepid class owners said the same thing about the loosing the eng ensign going to the retro
Think honestly you might be surprised by how many ppl start buying ships if they can use it's bo and console slot layout on whatever they want to fly. There are alot of ppl that simple buy what they want to fly and use it mostly then maybe buy the ship that does good in STf or pvp because it has the better layout.
You give someone the option to have their favorite ship x3 with all the different layouts they want and you have persons that never really spent that much before buying a newer ship for it toys and layouts. Lots of ppl like the wide angle quantum torpedo but don't find it a good enough reason to buy the whole ship. Add this as a feature to STO and suddenly not only are they getting the toy but they have another possible layout for the cruiser they are flying already.[/QUOTE]
Lets say for arguments sake, they make it possible to buy universal stations on their ships. How many Galaxy's get sold directly because of it? I'd argue very few, the ones who would use the Galaxy with uni-stations most likely already own it, in either Gal-R, Fleet, and Gal-X config's. I really don't see a spike in ship sales coming from it because most would just upgrade what they already have.
And don't take this the wrong way - the only thing people who don't like the Galaxy accomplish by coming into the thread and arguing how 'worthless she was on the show' are accomplishing is helping keep the thread alive. It isn't what's said in the forum that will eventually get a change made - it's the post count and when a dev finally gets sick of seeing this on the front page.
Over 4,000 posts, nay, 2k-3k posts should've already have gotten the dev's sick of seeing this. As far as people saying arguing "worth/worthlessness" goes, it really depends on which side of the discussion a person is. There are plenty that think its a fine ship, just not as fine as some of the people argue it is. Some of those same people also understand that making every ship a tactical-centric ship (LTCMDR tac boff) also is a weak model for a game. Some of us would like to see more work put into the areas that the Explorer has an advantage, engineer boff powers and consoles, but have been labeled "naysayers" because its not in line with other peoples opinions.
Really, I've guess that you're never played "Birth of The Federation" where the most two powerful ships were the Sovereign and the Defiant. As a matter of fact, you needed an Advanced Shipyard to even build those ships. You DIDN"T need one for the GCS."
Actually, the two most powerful Fed' ships in BoTF were the Defiant and the Constellation. I couldn't believe how much Constellations ran roughshot over ships compared the the Sovy', Galaxy, Galaxy-X. I didn't even bother to build to many "Battleships" and "dreadnaughts."
In any event, it appears that with some of you Galaxy people, "facts" are an inconvenient notion when they don't line up with what YOU think. It's ALWAYS someone else's "fault" After 4000+ posts and over 400 pages with this approach, what do you have to show for it regarding any significant changes in the GCS? Absolutely nothing.
Many of you appear to fail to accept ANY responsibility regarding how your approaches are turning off the STO community "at large" as evidenced by your low support (approx. the SAME 50 or so posters). Also, in the most recent STO poll, TNG scored FOURTH, behind Voyager, DS9, and Enterprise as far as determining the new content that would be included in future seasons. The fact that there wasn't enough of you GCS/TNG fans that participated in this poll to beat out "Enterprise", says a LOT about how much support that there really is here for your cause. Were these poll results "the writers' fault" too?
Other than some of you guys, NO ONE cares what was said in the 20+ year old TNG Tech Manual when it come to portraying the GCS, INCLUDING Paramount/Viacom/CBS. So these mind numbing iterations regarding "phaser array lengths" are no more effective now than they were 17 years ago when the Sovereign was introduced, and the EXACT same arguments were put forth regarding "phaser array lengths". I guess that those who don't learn from the mistakes made in the past ARE truly doomed to repeat them over and over again.
Even I have said that I thought that the GCS was a tad underpowered, but I am puzzled as to why you guys just don't contact CBS directly with your complaints and arguments? Many of you want to make the SAME arguments that have failed to get you anywhere. If you are truly devoted to your "cause" why don't you take that extra step to bring it to fruition?
It kind of reminds me of a Robotech site I used to be on. There was this guy that insisted to pit a modern aircraft against a Valkyrie, no matter what someone suggested for an aircraft and its use there was some full paged essay on the thirty ways the Valk' would beat the plane. I got tired of looking at it and typed "B-2/ TE-416 nuclear armed Tomahawk at the airbase."
Really, I've guess that you're never played "Birth of The Federation" where the most two powerful ships were the Sovereign and the Defiant. As a matter of fact, you needed an Advanced Shipyard to even build those ships. You DIDN"T need one for the GCS."
Actually, the two most powerful Fed' ships in BoTF were the Defiant and the Constellation. I couldn't believe how much Constellations ran roughshot over ships compared the the Sovy', Galaxy, Galaxy-X. I didn't even bother to build to many "Battleships" and "dreadnaughts."
It kind of reminds me of a Robotech site I used to be on. There was this guy that insisted to pit a modern aircraft against a Valkyrie, no matter what someone suggested for an aircraft and its use there was some full paged essay on the thirty ways the Valk' would beat the plane. I got tired of looking at it and typed "B-2/ TE-416 nuclear armed Tomahawk at the airbase."
Last paragraph, only thing I can say is "LIKE A BAUS".
My 2 cents, tier 4 galaxy is a decently stout ship. Tier 5, and this is just my thoughts, victim of power creep.
It happens.
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even in birth of the feds the 2 top ships before the advanced ship yard is the galaxy command cruiser and the galaxy-x heavy cruiser
And the only real advantage they gave was cruiser range. The Defiant and Constellation were actually the best int hat game. The Constellation was a real surprise in that game. I would build victory fleets of them and mop up everything in short time compared to a victory fleet of anything else. It was truly was a point-and-click ship.
the defiant wile has the fire power and is quick (with the fasted warp travel of 9 spaces per turn) is not any where near cost efficient in that game (you could build 6 gal-Xs for the same cost as 1 defiant) and will die almost instantly as it can not take a hit to save it's life
the gal-x and sov in that game are equal in performance the gal-x can take more hits but the sov does more damage
I think the Constellations were way cheaper than any of the larger hulls and just as effective in combat.
Over 4,000 posts, nay, 2k-3k posts should've already have gotten the dev's sick of seeing this. As far as people saying arguing "worth/worthlessness" goes, it really depends on which side of the discussion a person is. There are plenty that think its a fine ship, just not as fine as some of the people argue it is. Some of those same people also understand that making every ship a tactical-centric ship (LTCMDR tac boff) also is a weak model for a game. Some of us would like to see more work put into the areas that the Explorer has an advantage, engineer boff powers and consoles, but have been labeled "naysayers" because its not in line with other peoples opinions.
^^^^
Not when it's the same 15 or so people posting the exact same things over and over ad nauseum. Of late I'd say yreodred and dontdrunkimshoot lead the reposting charge on this particular thread.
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hmm, not at all.
you are jumping to conclusions here.
there responses was " we are not taking interviews" kind of responses ( yes it was not that, but if they would have said that it would have feel the same).
so nothing that indicate that they are clearly supporting a undepower galaxy but more that they don't want to enter this kind of hot debate that would bring them nothing but troubles.
beside as i already state before, this theory daesn't hold , why would they want a galaxy less powerfull than an exelsior but absolutely don't want a enterprise tos to be as powerfull as a tiers 5 ship?
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
And again, what are you guys going to do about that except complaining on this thread? Has ANYBODY followed up on the CBS info that I provided?
This is interesting. You guys have spent over 400+ pages complaining about this issue, but appear to be too paralyzed to make a phone call to see if you can get ANY additional info. Why is that?
unless they were familiar with the game, and played it, the guy you would get a hold of at cbs would have absolutely no idea what 'it has to many eng station powers' would even mean, you would just come off as a very very strange little nerd.
Every one of us counts as a 'Strange little nerd'.
However, have the new cruiser commands offset the deficiencies in the galaxy?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
All cruisers got the new commands so it didn't make the Galaxy really any better. Plus with the low 5km range it puts out havent really seen a good use of them unless your the one piloting the cruiser. All in all the GCS is still the worst cause all other cruisers can do any build alittle better.
yea very true , look this way: same Free crucier what is more efective than a 2000 (Z) galaxy have the same commands => so reaally nothing change....
sry for mi english.
trait stubborn still flyng the galaxy ship in a lost attemp to feel the ship fit in this "Star Trek ESCORTS vs frikin dynos with laser in the heads" xD
So what your saying is when they buffed all Cruisers it didn't actually make them better?
That is just crazy.
I love Cruiser Commands on my cruiser and I have been putting them to good use. Yeah you do have actually talk to your teammates and coordinate, but you should be doing that regardless.
If you can't figure out how to make good use of the commands that not Cryptic's problem.
That's your own issue.
Thats not the point bro is a wrong concep , letme explain (hope mi limited english help) crucier command NOT solve any issue (shared cooldowns , underperformed powers etc) this boost ANY ship on it , maybe give a more especific reason to exist for the cruciers but not fix anything.
What any crucier pilot manage to made the team work like a real TEAM and buuf near ship is another topic.
Exactly as said above it didn't change anything for the Galaxy as she is still in last place for the cruisers.
Though on a side note, I believe it still needs a slightly bigger radius on them hopefully when they add the comm array slots one will allow for your radius to be around 10km or slightly more (or effect all group members) to make it so that its easier to keep grouped together so everyone enjoys the benefits.
the intention was not to reduced the gap between galaxy and other cruiser.
so it is logic that as a galaxy you don't get more than the other ( galaxy got the 4 power ).
i am pointless tho as to the justification that the galaxy x just got 2, and not the best furthemore.
in that case, the gap have been increased...once again.
i guess the galaxy x was bordeless OP already, if it ever got the same as other tactical cruiser, can you imagine?
no way!
engage the galaxy syndrome procedure!!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
and not a joke as it currently is
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Still don't understand why the G-X only gets 2 though I'm hoping real soon they either release the fleet version or atleast one of the Devs talks about what they decided as I think it was Geko who said they are revamping the G-X. Hopefully they are doing some dramatic changes to actually make only having 2 of the 4 commands justified.
seriously, it better be, if they want to give the ship only 2 command under the justification that it a dreadnought then give him some real dreadnought stats.
gecko really want to put a hangar on it, i hope that this is not what he called upgrade stats.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
Hope im wrong but think they will give the saucer sep and say thats more than the ship really need and again will let the ship cover in dust....
trait stubborn still flyng the galaxy ship in a lost attemp to feel the ship fit in this "Star Trek ESCORTS vs frikin dynos with laser in the heads"
If they made it similar to the Romulan Smitar with 5 forward weapons and 3 back or changed it to give more tac bo slots then yeah maybe but I really hope they aint gonna go the way of " Saucer separation works and we added a neat hanger have fun with the upgraded dreadnaught". Getting really tired of the whole this ship isn't quite right so lets add a hanger theme.
It's interesting how that's the first thing you go to in order to avoid doing anything else other than whining. You guys have made it clear that you don't care what anybody else thinks about your "cause". Why get shy now?
Deep down inside, do YOU believe that "you're a very very strange nerd"? Otherwise, this is just a cop out for being too lazy or too unmotivated to even TRY to do something other than the usual non-productive whining.
On this thread, many of you guys come across like Bruce Lee. But when it would actually require you to have some REAL human interaction by even making a simple phone call, you appear to want to hide in the bushes like scared kittens. You are locked in this whinny stage, and you absolutely refuse to do ANYTHING else to even TRY to improve your situation.
You guys always tell your opposition what "real" Star Trek is, yet you hide from making a simple phone call in a definitely UN-Star Trek like manner. Who knows, if you call, you may actually get somewhere, and good for you if you do.
But to absolutely refuse to even do the basic follow-up to investigate ANY OTHER possibilities other than the current whinny one which has been an absolute failure, TOTALLY makes no sense. You guys have spent months and months on this thread whining about Cryptic, the devs, or anyone else who doesn't conform with your idea of what a GCS "should" be. So, is making a simple investigation via a telephone call REALLY that scary?
So your plan is to just keep whining and HOPING that the whining will eventually wear down CBS? (Oh, that's right. You guys appear to be too scared/lazy/unmotivated to actually contact CBS).
Two examples:
Exploration Cruiser:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Exploration_Cruiser
The Refit adds an Ensign Science. However we know in the Fleet version the Ensign is another Engineer. So why not just match the Refit Version....like especially if your like me and bought it at Captain.
Another Example....
Long Range Science Vessel
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Intrepid
Adds an Ensign Engineering that at Fleet version is now another Science.
Are the Tier 4 Brdige refit layouts better? If so why not just use them. Viola!
That was actually a joke. You know, the '/grin' I posted with it? Though there is a great deal of truth to it. Star Trek is still mostly the Geek/Nerd fandom. Just like video games are still considered the primary geek/nerd entertainment - though the vast majority of the population plays video games in some form at the moment.
Though I'm still not understanding your roll in this. You don't care about the Galaxy. You take a great deal of pride in running in here every time someone posts to sob. Are you really so threatened by this thread that you want it stopped or are you just enjoying being a petty child? We understood your opinion the first time you meandered in to insult the thread and everyone in it. If you really despise us and the Galaxy so badly, why are you demeaning yourself with the thread and us?
As for CBS - you will find no one at CBS who gives a fiddler's damned about how the Galaxy is portrayed in Star Trek Online as CBS has already received payment for the licensing and use of the franchise and the Galaxy. Let me repeat: Until licensing is up for renewal, CBS doesn't give a damned about the game except that it's running and will give them money.
As to us not getting anything done, Cruiser Comm Relays are a silent admission that cruisers in their entirety needed help. So if we've gotten that far already, there's no reason to stop and backpedal now.
http://3.images.gametrailers.com/image_root/vid_thumbs/2013/10_oct_2013/oct_29/gt_massive_TREK_10-29.jpg?width=1000&height=446&crop=true&quality=.91
the refits came out after the retrofits so they have the better boff layouts.
i know some intrepid class owners said the same thing about the loosing the eng ensign going to the retro
You give someone the option to have their favorite ship x3 with all the different layouts they want and you have persons that never really spent that much before buying a newer ship for it toys and layouts. Lots of ppl like the wide angle quantum torpedo but don't find it a good enough reason to buy the whole ship. Add this as a feature to STO and suddenly not only are they getting the toy but they have another possible layout for the cruiser they are flying already.[/QUOTE]
Lets say for arguments sake, they make it possible to buy universal stations on their ships. How many Galaxy's get sold directly because of it? I'd argue very few, the ones who would use the Galaxy with uni-stations most likely already own it, in either Gal-R, Fleet, and Gal-X config's. I really don't see a spike in ship sales coming from it because most would just upgrade what they already have.
Over 4,000 posts, nay, 2k-3k posts should've already have gotten the dev's sick of seeing this. As far as people saying arguing "worth/worthlessness" goes, it really depends on which side of the discussion a person is. There are plenty that think its a fine ship, just not as fine as some of the people argue it is. Some of those same people also understand that making every ship a tactical-centric ship (LTCMDR tac boff) also is a weak model for a game. Some of us would like to see more work put into the areas that the Explorer has an advantage, engineer boff powers and consoles, but have been labeled "naysayers" because its not in line with other peoples opinions.
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And the only real advantage they gave was cruiser range. The Defiant and Constellation were actually the best int hat game. The Constellation was a real surprise in that game. I would build victory fleets of them and mop up everything in short time compared to a victory fleet of anything else. It was truly was a point-and-click ship.
I think the Constellations were way cheaper than any of the larger hulls and just as effective in combat.
Not when it's the same 15 or so people posting the exact same things over and over ad nauseum. Of late I'd say yreodred and dontdrunkimshoot lead the reposting charge on this particular thread.
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