I rationalize it this way, although there isn't any actual evidence for it: A lot of stuff throughout the IP has changed since DS9. After so many years of intermittent warfare this isn't Picard's Federation anymore: they're a lot more militaristic and pragmatic (they don't always like being so, but they are). And after the TRIBBLE they got up to during the Dominion War, which was well-intentioned but overall bad, rather than being completely shut down Section 31 may have been put on a leash by Starfleet Command and is now simply another intelligence agency (the CIA to Starfleet Intelligence's ONI, if you will).
There is absolutely no way anyone can rationalize this to me. You can't put a shadow organization on a leash, the Tal'Shiar is a prime example for it. If anything, when the faction such an organization works for faces it's demise, that organization will put the oficials on a leash in such a scenario as seen in the RSE after the Hobus incident right up untill the new Republic.
Also, Starfleet Command can't put S31 on a leash because that would mean admitting their existance to the public and to the allies of the Federation; an illegal existance in shadows, without following Federation laws, without rules, do as you see fit kinda' thing. And then watch the Federation slowly dissasemble piece by piece untill you see a Klingon banner in San Francisco.
And yes, feeling betrayed and used during the Romulan spy thing is the logical response and entirely the point. It's a morally ambiguous action taken in service to Federation survival, not Federation values.
How would you know if it was in service to Federation survival?
I think it's cute how people think the devs have nothing better to do than sit by the forums answering questions, or that they have some sort of obligation to reply to threads.
But...? Isn't that how it works?
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Ya why have a forum if they don't have anyone looking in on it?
He didn't say they don't look. He said they have better things to do then answer every question posted on the forum. Looking isn't the same thing as answering.
He thinks it's cute that people feel like they're entitled to answers to their subjective wants.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
He didn't say they don't look. He said they have better things to do then answer every question posted on the forum. Looking isn't the same thing as answering.
He thinks it's cute that people feel like they're entitled to answers to their subjective wants.
Well every once in a wile a hot topic should have someone say something even if it is just a we will consider it.
Well every once in a wile a hot topic should have someone say something even if it is just a we will consider it.
Well, from my perspective adult gamers shouldn't need constant reassurance by forum authority figures. My ideas are simply my ideas. I don't need someone from Cryptic to validate them by saying "interesting" once every 25 pages and then getting on with their own work. YMMV.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
They are waiting till someone finally puts a comma in the thread title.
OK, I chuckled.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
What players think is a hot topic doesn't necessarily mean the devs will view it as a hot topic.
They may view a random topic as a dead issue that isn't even on the table for consideration. They are far better off not responding and letting it drop off into obscurity than feeding the fires by responding.
Something with a 300+ page thread about improving a iconic symbol of STAR TREK in a STAR TREK game should not be considered a dead issue. They already get bad rep for things they ignore like bugs that have been around for years that they should do stuff to improve their rep but I guess they don't really care. That thread is over half a year old and is yet to fall into obscurity and I don't know when it will considering their are people who really want such a iconic symbol of STAR TREK not to be trash in a STAR TREK game.
Something with a 300+ page thread about improving a iconic symbol of STAR TREK in a STAR TREK game should not be considered a dead issue. They already get bad rep for things they ignore like bugs that have been around for years that they should do stuff to improve their rep but I guess they don't really care. That thread is over half a year old and is yet to fall into obscurity and I don't know when it will considering their are people who really want such a iconic symbol of STAR TREK not to be trash in a STAR TREK game.
As I said above, what's the financial benefit to Cryptic for them to remake the Galaxy? That's the only thing that matters. Until then it's all just emotional and subjective want. Really, really wanting it to be different isn't reason enough.
Galaxy fans want the Galaxy to be better. Intrepid fans want the Intrepid to be better. Sovereign fans are still trying to figure out why the Excelsior is better then it, and so on. We all want. That doesn't mean we all get what we want - especially when we all want something different.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
As I said above, what's the financial benefit to Cryptic for them to remake the Galaxy? That's the only thing that matters. Until then it's all just emotional and subjective want. Really, really wanting it to be different isn't reason enough.
Galaxy fans want the Galaxy to be better. Intrepid fans want the Intrepid to be better. Sovereign fans are still trying to figure out why the Excelsior is better then it, and so on. We all want. That doesn't mean we all get what we want - especially when we all want something different.
Make a new ship pack involving the Galaxy another with Intrepid and so on. They can make a lot of sale with it.
Make a new ship pack involving the Galaxy another with Intrepid and so on. They can make a lot of sale with it.
And create hundreds of hate threads at the same time from people who have already purchase those ships, both C-Store and Fleet.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
And create hundreds of hate threads at the same time from people who have already purchase those ships, both C-Store and Fleet.
Speaking just for myself, I have the C-Store Galaxy-R, Venture, and Galaxy-X. I've participated in the Galaxy thread and support a refresh of the ships. With that said, if such a refresh comes in the form of a new C-Store purchase, I would gladly buy it and most likely leave a "thank you" post to Cryptic for finally doing something with the ship.
Though, in fairness to your point, I would expect that not everyone would be thrilled about buying a Galaxy Mk III (or whatever they would call it).
Thank you for the T6 Galaxy Class. - I support Tovan Khev. - Please bring back the exploration missions.
He didn't say they don't look. He said they have better things to do then answer every question posted on the forum. Looking isn't the same thing as answering.
He thinks it's cute that people feel like they're entitled to answers to their subjective wants.
Isn't this whole forum pretty much about us asking for subjective wants? He posed a legitimate question. I also want to know why the galaxy boff layout/turn-rate hasn't been revisited since the retrofit and fleet versions were released. We still have yet to see the TNG c-store bundle come out as well. Where's that?
And create hundreds of hate threads at the same time from people who have already purchase those ships, both C-Store and Fleet.
Their are already angry people involving those ships because of how they suck compared to other ships I don't think it would make anything worse. Either improve existing ones or make new one how it is now is just not good.
No, they would not and that is not even about the integrity of such move.
The Galaxy is a old ship based on the trinity model, pack ships are just the latest fad for bankrupted wannabe developers (and I am not talking about Cryptic here, I am talking about players) that think its a great idea to add more stuff on top of existing stuff because clogging the system is such a wonderful idea, a good example that as one might disagree with some ideas that come from the development, there are far worst ones.
So your telling me people who want better version of those ships would not buy them yea right I would in a min and I know I am not the only one. What integrity? They already have people thinking they are lacking in it with things they are and are not doing.
Leaving such a iconic STAR TREK ship to be crappy and to never be improved or make new version is not good I can't understand how people can't see that.
I dread the day that they ever decide to increase level/rank and have new tier of ships making all actual STAR TREK ships become obsolete it is bad enough with Galaxy that way.
Speaking just for myself, I have the C-Store Galaxy-R, Venture, and Galaxy-X. I've participated in the Galaxy thread and support a refresh of the ships. With that said, if such a refresh comes in the form of a new C-Store purchase, I would gladly buy it and most likely leave a "thank you" post to Cryptic for finally doing something with the ship.
Though, in fairness to your point, I would expect that not everyone would be thrilled about buying a Galaxy Mk III (or whatever they would call it).
This is a great example of how doing something to have a better Galaxy would be nothing but good. How many players would be happy to have a better Galaxy? Making players happy is nothing but a good thing.
I think it's cute how people think the devs have nothing better to do than sit by the forums answering questions, or that they have some sort of obligation to reply to threads.
I think it's cute that people think that the devs are the ones that control what happens in STO...
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Originally Posted by brianbenzinger View Post
Speaking just for myself, I have the C-Store Galaxy-R, Venture, and Galaxy-X. I've participated in the Galaxy thread and support a refresh of the ships. With that said, if such a refresh comes in the form of a new C-Store purchase, I would gladly buy it and most likely leave a "thank you" post to Cryptic for finally doing something with the ship.
Though, in fairness to your point, I would expect that not everyone would be thrilled about buying a Galaxy Mk III (or whatever they would call it).
This is a great example of how doing something to have a better Galaxy would be nothing but good. How many players would be happy to have a better Galaxy? Making players happy is nothing but a good thing.
Yeah, players would happier (notice I didn't say happy) and Cryptic can make more money! What a concept!
I'd like like to see some feedback from Cryptic that they even acknowledge that their customers are screaming for this. Yeah, the Romulans need more ships, but the Galaxy Retro-retrofit has been demanded for a LONG time now.
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Their customers are not "screaming for this". A tiny subset of their customers are screaming for this. The turn rate is quite adequate, all things considered - certainly better than a D'deridex, which is supposed to be the main point of comparison.
Look, champ, if you want a ship of that tier that turns fast, maybe you should consider taking on an escort. The Galaxy-class exploration cruiser isn't supposed to be a space fighter, it's supposed to be a beam boat. (Never saw Picard trying to equip the Enterprise-D with DHCs...)
And when there are (as has been reported) two million captains, thus implying a player-base in the hundreds of thousands at least, a small handful crying on the forums is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. To be brutally honest, every last one of you could quit, and Cryptic wouldn't even notice the ripple in their bottom line.
....Look, champ, if you want a ship of that tier that turns fast, maybe you should consider taking on an escort. The Galaxy-class exploration cruiser isn't supposed to be a space fighter, it's supposed to be a beam boat. (Never saw Picard trying to equip the Enterprise-D with DHCs...)
And when there are (as has been reported) two million captains, thus implying a player-base in the hundreds of thousands at least, a small handful crying on the forums is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. To be brutally honest, every last one of you could quit, and Cryptic wouldn't even notice the ripple in their bottom line.
I can hear the brains imploding now .....pop...pop...pop, pop, pop.....:cool:
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And when there are (as has been reported) two million captains, thus implying a player-base in the hundreds of thousands at least, a small handful crying on the forums is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. To be brutally honest, every last one of you could quit, and Cryptic wouldn't even notice the ripple in their bottom line.
Not everyone who plays visits the forum. Their are those who play the game and don't visit forum that are not happy in regards to Galaxy Class. Happier people play and spend more then unhappy people.
Maybe or maybe not you don't know how much money such people spend on the game. You also don't know how players being unhappy can effect how much money they can make. Image happy people giving good word of mouth to the game drawing in more players wile unhappy players saying don't waste your time causing people to not try out the game.
Leaving such a iconic STAR TREK ship to be crappy and to never be improved or make new version is not good I can't understand how people can't see that.
I've always thought that was the right decision. After all, the Galaxy is outdated. It wouldn't make sense for it to be better than a Sovereign (its replacement). It definitely would not make sense for it to be on a par with the Odyssey.
Yes, you can Retrofit a ship and strap better equipment on, but if you want to know why such a theory is irrelevant in this case, you need only watch DS9.
Look how far ahead of the galaxy the defiant is. That was made not long after the galaxy, is significantly more powerful and sturdily built. Especially when you factor in the comparative size, it makes the galaxy class look like a Trireme.
Think about it, the Galaxy was designed to be a self-sustaining city to drift around and do federationy things. A tribute to the golden years of the federation, when everything was peace and love and hug and kittens. Sure, it was on a par with warships of over civilisations. But there was also a lot more of it. It was not designed to hold the line in a pitched battle, or lead the charge against a Borg cube.
Now, let us move past the series and into STO.
After the defiant, it appears Starfleet took a more militaristic approach to ship design, and it's heavily implied that technology has advanced significantly. The Galaxy class is big, heavy, slow, underpowered and impractical. Sure it'd work for floating around in secure territory, but somehow I doubt that's what players want it for... Admittedly, that's what it currently is. Therefore, it's current appearance seems quite fitting.
I know this is mentioned a lot, and people always illogically disagree. The often cite the Miranda class as an example. So let's consider that...
The Miranda is a compressed constitution class. It has very similar capabilities, in a smaller, more structurally sound design. It also didn't have to put up with such advanced threats.
All of this may be a valid argument for the Nebula to be more powerful, perhaps a cruiser version of that may be justified, but the galaxy, not so much. You don't often see constitutions flying around in TNG, do you?
Now, the intrepid, canonically is an advanced combat orientated ship. Making that a Viable end game vessel would make sense. Same goes for the defiant. It does amuses me that starfleet haven't seemed to get any further than that in the designs.
So that's the fluffy side of things covered, time for some Idealistic thoughts.
Ways I think they could make it even slightly plausible for the galaxy to be included:
Uber Tank: This one is based somewhat on the Halcyon Class. That ship was a bit old and slow, but it was remarkably tough. This was due to a network of hexagonal supports or something...
Now. What I propose is you take a galaxy and rip out all of those useless crew quarters, schools, libraries, swimming pools and whatever else is filling up this behemoth. Next you fill all that space with a web of supports and extra armour. Add a load of shield emitters and power-related stuff to keep it running (although ripping out all those jacuzzis should leave an excess). You then jack up the hull by atleast 50%, add a load of big resistance bonus's and shove the shield strength up to 1.5 - Now it doesn't matter that your Boff stations are damn-near useless, or that it takes you 4 hours to turn around. Why? Because nothing will ever kill you.
Volatile Beast: Taking a similar approach to the above, strip it down. But instead of (or maybe as well as?) filling it with armour, you load it up with weapon capacitors/weapons. Maybe do a switcheroo on the engines while you're at it. To represent this, You give a big Weapon power boost and Increase the weapon slots. This way, you can comfortably load it up 10 to 12 beam arrays without risk of your power dropping.
Uber-ninja: Again, this begins with stripping it down. But this time, you leave the space empty. Now you supe up the engines beyond reasonable levels, and install a Romulan Battle Cloak. Now you have a galaxy with slightly reduced hull, but on the plus side, you have an impulse modifier of 0.25, a turn rate of 20 and inertia rating of 100.
Of course, these are all grossly exaggerated, but I'm sure you'll understand the logic behind it
Anyway, I think I'm rambling a bit now... So before I stumble off topic, Have a nice day
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Because they don't plan on changing the existing Galaxy Class Boff layout? Seriously, evaluating feedback doesn't mean doing a change just because a few people (and it is a few people, they just continue to report the same stuff over and over) think the ship doesn't fit their idea of what it should be in game.
Take the hint.
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I took my fleet Galaxy into a STF yesterday with my engi character and two people called me a noob straight out, simply because of my choice in ship alone. EVERYONE else was in tactical ships. A defiant, an andorian ship, an elachi escort and a temporal destroyer. I wonder, If we had the vote kick, would they have kicked me, since two people felt compelled to complain about my ship choice?
Believe me, I was using all fleet phasers with TOP fleet elite shields, dilithium engineer rcs consoles, and embassy science, adding the plasma proc to my weaps. I was using full purple quality MRK 12 phaser tactical consoles.
And I was spamming fire at will with directed energy like a madman, and I have the Marion doff.
So the perception is, almost universally that the ship sucks and I shouldn't bring it along into a simple team PVE team ?
Funny, I don't have that problem when I bring other Iconic ships: like the Excelsior, or the Defiant OR the Prometheus along. Course THOSE ships are more tac oriented........
This either says something about layout of the Galaxy, that STFs favor escorts, or the fact that other ships don't need a healer and consider having one on the team, (in a DPS is king STF), a waste.....
I am very sorry to hear that. I hope it was just a bunch of elitist types you run into in every MMO and not the community at large.
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Let me go over the list for a second. Just say no to these 'terrorists'. Who aid you in saving an entire sector from being devastated and eaten by the Devidians, has you hunt down the triggers for a WMD that can kill planets, had you take out some pirates to sell bogus information to a hostile faction.
Versus, regular chain of command sends you to attack a hospital. And when the gun happy admiral turns out to be an infiltrator tells you to keep silent on the mission. . .
There are only two missions by Star Fleet Intelligence. Got a rogue transmission from a klingon about a secret. (turns into defeat another WMD), and check out this old hostile government's base that seems to be being reactivated after they lost their home. (WMD's made amongst refugees.)
If there is an issue it is that they are not writing Section 31 properly as the bad guys.
On OP. Still hoping to know about my question on the alleged new galaxy-like vessels devices. Because if the heavy beams can be moved to a Galaxy then great.
Still want to see cruisers have something real to show for the increased size they are.
They do not carry more weapons. Those weapons are restricted by type. Power levels are the same as an escort or a shuttle. (Granted the escort can actually carry more slots than the shuttle. Just going by the power distribution points.) A big cruiser should either have a flat, big, bonus to energy levels. Or have the capacity to carry two warp cores to resist all the energy drain.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
In short, its OK to be OP and render everything else obsolete because ... favoritism.
Funny I seen that leveled against Geko in relation to the Excelsior, that kinda died out after the Sovy refit come out.
The integrity of the game, what you are saying is "I throw money at then so I get what want" ... real world considerations aside, the fact is that mentality ignores that people have wildly different ideas of what things should be, some people are tired of the Borg and rather they were just gone as other think the Borgs are not powerful enough and it should take over 1000 ships to take a Cube down.
Because as usual your solutions are nothing but band-aids that ignore the problems and made the current issues worst, this is why I dont even bother to post in that topic that became nothing but a circlejerk of a vocal minority.
3 Packs are NOT a solution and loading it with tactical abilities or universal stations galore ... those are in fact problems.
Maybe some of us arent trapped in the past and are unable to look to the future.
To me the Galaxy Class have long been obsolete, it have since First Contact.
The integrity of the game lol no the game integrity has been ruined already please don't make me laugh more like that.
My solutions are making the Galaxy better then it is and used by more people I rarely seem them why is that? Their must be a reason. Oh I know because it is a terrible ship. It should not be so bad it makes no sense in any way shape or form. It is obsolete compared to so many ships that it should not be. Making it better would do nothing but good but for some reason some people just cant see it don't know why.
I am playing this game because it is a STAR TREK game as are a lot of people. I don't want it to become something totally unrecognizable.
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There is absolutely no way anyone can rationalize this to me. You can't put a shadow organization on a leash, the Tal'Shiar is a prime example for it. If anything, when the faction such an organization works for faces it's demise, that organization will put the oficials on a leash in such a scenario as seen in the RSE after the Hobus incident right up untill the new Republic.
Also, Starfleet Command can't put S31 on a leash because that would mean admitting their existance to the public and to the allies of the Federation; an illegal existance in shadows, without following Federation laws, without rules, do as you see fit kinda' thing. And then watch the Federation slowly dissasemble piece by piece untill you see a Klingon banner in San Francisco.
How would you know if it was in service to Federation survival?
But...? Isn't that how it works?
Ya why have a forum if they don't have anyone looking in on it?
He thinks it's cute that people feel like they're entitled to answers to their subjective wants.
Well every once in a wile a hot topic should have someone say something even if it is just a we will consider it.
Am I the only one vaguely remembering DStahl, in a interview, saying that they would only fix critical issues with the Stock ships?
Something with a 300+ page thread about improving a iconic symbol of STAR TREK in a STAR TREK game should not be considered a dead issue. They already get bad rep for things they ignore like bugs that have been around for years that they should do stuff to improve their rep but I guess they don't really care. That thread is over half a year old and is yet to fall into obscurity and I don't know when it will considering their are people who really want such a iconic symbol of STAR TREK not to be trash in a STAR TREK game.
Galaxy fans want the Galaxy to be better. Intrepid fans want the Intrepid to be better. Sovereign fans are still trying to figure out why the Excelsior is better then it, and so on. We all want. That doesn't mean we all get what we want - especially when we all want something different.
Make a new ship pack involving the Galaxy another with Intrepid and so on. They can make a lot of sale with it.
Speaking just for myself, I have the C-Store Galaxy-R, Venture, and Galaxy-X. I've participated in the Galaxy thread and support a refresh of the ships. With that said, if such a refresh comes in the form of a new C-Store purchase, I would gladly buy it and most likely leave a "thank you" post to Cryptic for finally doing something with the ship.
Though, in fairness to your point, I would expect that not everyone would be thrilled about buying a Galaxy Mk III (or whatever they would call it).
Isn't this whole forum pretty much about us asking for subjective wants? He posed a legitimate question. I also want to know why the galaxy boff layout/turn-rate hasn't been revisited since the retrofit and fleet versions were released. We still have yet to see the TNG c-store bundle come out as well. Where's that?
Their are already angry people involving those ships because of how they suck compared to other ships I don't think it would make anything worse. Either improve existing ones or make new one how it is now is just not good.
So your telling me people who want better version of those ships would not buy them yea right I would in a min and I know I am not the only one. What integrity? They already have people thinking they are lacking in it with things they are and are not doing.
Leaving such a iconic STAR TREK ship to be crappy and to never be improved or make new version is not good I can't understand how people can't see that.
I dread the day that they ever decide to increase level/rank and have new tier of ships making all actual STAR TREK ships become obsolete it is bad enough with Galaxy that way.
This is a great example of how doing something to have a better Galaxy would be nothing but good. How many players would be happy to have a better Galaxy? Making players happy is nothing but a good thing.
I think it's cute that people think that the devs are the ones that control what happens in STO...
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Yeah, players would happier (notice I didn't say happy) and Cryptic can make more money! What a concept!
I'd like like to see some feedback from Cryptic that they even acknowledge that their customers are screaming for this. Yeah, the Romulans need more ships, but the Galaxy Retro-retrofit has been demanded for a LONG time now.
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Look, champ, if you want a ship of that tier that turns fast, maybe you should consider taking on an escort. The Galaxy-class exploration cruiser isn't supposed to be a space fighter, it's supposed to be a beam boat. (Never saw Picard trying to equip the Enterprise-D with DHCs...)
And when there are (as has been reported) two million captains, thus implying a player-base in the hundreds of thousands at least, a small handful crying on the forums is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. To be brutally honest, every last one of you could quit, and Cryptic wouldn't even notice the ripple in their bottom line.
I can hear the brains imploding now .....pop...pop...pop, pop, pop.....:cool:
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Not everyone who plays visits the forum. Their are those who play the game and don't visit forum that are not happy in regards to Galaxy Class. Happier people play and spend more then unhappy people.
Maybe or maybe not you don't know how much money such people spend on the game. You also don't know how players being unhappy can effect how much money they can make. Image happy people giving good word of mouth to the game drawing in more players wile unhappy players saying don't waste your time causing people to not try out the game.
I've always thought that was the right decision. After all, the Galaxy is outdated. It wouldn't make sense for it to be better than a Sovereign (its replacement). It definitely would not make sense for it to be on a par with the Odyssey.
Yes, you can Retrofit a ship and strap better equipment on, but if you want to know why such a theory is irrelevant in this case, you need only watch DS9.
Look how far ahead of the galaxy the defiant is. That was made not long after the galaxy, is significantly more powerful and sturdily built. Especially when you factor in the comparative size, it makes the galaxy class look like a Trireme.
Think about it, the Galaxy was designed to be a self-sustaining city to drift around and do federationy things. A tribute to the golden years of the federation, when everything was peace and love and hug and kittens. Sure, it was on a par with warships of over civilisations. But there was also a lot more of it. It was not designed to hold the line in a pitched battle, or lead the charge against a Borg cube.
Now, let us move past the series and into STO.
After the defiant, it appears Starfleet took a more militaristic approach to ship design, and it's heavily implied that technology has advanced significantly. The Galaxy class is big, heavy, slow, underpowered and impractical. Sure it'd work for floating around in secure territory, but somehow I doubt that's what players want it for... Admittedly, that's what it currently is. Therefore, it's current appearance seems quite fitting.
I know this is mentioned a lot, and people always illogically disagree. The often cite the Miranda class as an example. So let's consider that...
The Miranda is a compressed constitution class. It has very similar capabilities, in a smaller, more structurally sound design. It also didn't have to put up with such advanced threats.
All of this may be a valid argument for the Nebula to be more powerful, perhaps a cruiser version of that may be justified, but the galaxy, not so much. You don't often see constitutions flying around in TNG, do you?
Now, the intrepid, canonically is an advanced combat orientated ship. Making that a Viable end game vessel would make sense. Same goes for the defiant. It does amuses me that starfleet haven't seemed to get any further than that in the designs.
So that's the fluffy side of things covered, time for some Idealistic thoughts.
Ways I think they could make it even slightly plausible for the galaxy to be included:
Uber Tank: This one is based somewhat on the Halcyon Class. That ship was a bit old and slow, but it was remarkably tough. This was due to a network of hexagonal supports or something...
Now. What I propose is you take a galaxy and rip out all of those useless crew quarters, schools, libraries, swimming pools and whatever else is filling up this behemoth. Next you fill all that space with a web of supports and extra armour. Add a load of shield emitters and power-related stuff to keep it running (although ripping out all those jacuzzis should leave an excess). You then jack up the hull by atleast 50%, add a load of big resistance bonus's and shove the shield strength up to 1.5 - Now it doesn't matter that your Boff stations are damn-near useless, or that it takes you 4 hours to turn around. Why? Because nothing will ever kill you.
Volatile Beast: Taking a similar approach to the above, strip it down. But instead of (or maybe as well as?) filling it with armour, you load it up with weapon capacitors/weapons. Maybe do a switcheroo on the engines while you're at it. To represent this, You give a big Weapon power boost and Increase the weapon slots. This way, you can comfortably load it up 10 to 12 beam arrays without risk of your power dropping.
Uber-ninja: Again, this begins with stripping it down. But this time, you leave the space empty. Now you supe up the engines beyond reasonable levels, and install a Romulan Battle Cloak. Now you have a galaxy with slightly reduced hull, but on the plus side, you have an impulse modifier of 0.25, a turn rate of 20 and inertia rating of 100.
Of course, these are all grossly exaggerated, but I'm sure you'll understand the logic behind it
Anyway, I think I'm rambling a bit now... So before I stumble off topic, Have a nice day
The day will not save them. And we own the night.
Because they don't plan on changing the existing Galaxy Class Boff layout? Seriously, evaluating feedback doesn't mean doing a change just because a few people (and it is a few people, they just continue to report the same stuff over and over) think the ship doesn't fit their idea of what it should be in game.
Take the hint.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
I am very sorry to hear that. I hope it was just a bunch of elitist types you run into in every MMO and not the community at large.
@Shpoks
Let me go over the list for a second. Just say no to these 'terrorists'. Who aid you in saving an entire sector from being devastated and eaten by the Devidians, has you hunt down the triggers for a WMD that can kill planets, had you take out some pirates to sell bogus information to a hostile faction.
Versus, regular chain of command sends you to attack a hospital. And when the gun happy admiral turns out to be an infiltrator tells you to keep silent on the mission. . .
There are only two missions by Star Fleet Intelligence. Got a rogue transmission from a klingon about a secret. (turns into defeat another WMD), and check out this old hostile government's base that seems to be being reactivated after they lost their home. (WMD's made amongst refugees.)
If there is an issue it is that they are not writing Section 31 properly as the bad guys.
On OP. Still hoping to know about my question on the alleged new galaxy-like vessels devices. Because if the heavy beams can be moved to a Galaxy then great.
Still want to see cruisers have something real to show for the increased size they are.
They do not carry more weapons. Those weapons are restricted by type. Power levels are the same as an escort or a shuttle. (Granted the escort can actually carry more slots than the shuttle. Just going by the power distribution points.) A big cruiser should either have a flat, big, bonus to energy levels. Or have the capacity to carry two warp cores to resist all the energy drain.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
The integrity of the game lol no the game integrity has been ruined already please don't make me laugh more like that.
My solutions are making the Galaxy better then it is and used by more people I rarely seem them why is that? Their must be a reason. Oh I know because it is a terrible ship. It should not be so bad it makes no sense in any way shape or form. It is obsolete compared to so many ships that it should not be. Making it better would do nothing but good but for some reason some people just cant see it don't know why.
I am playing this game because it is a STAR TREK game as are a lot of people. I don't want it to become something totally unrecognizable.