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What is wrong with Enterprise ( ENT: ) . I have not watched it but it did get cancelled and I know many people on the forums dislike it... Why?
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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It's worth watching at this point, since there is probably not going to be any new Trek on TV anytime soon.
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A lot of people got put off by the way the Vulcans were shown in the first few seasons. But this does (sort of) match the backstory of the Vulcans. They describe themselves as a race that used to be "primitive barbarians".
Another was the Temporal Cold War. The concept/premise was very convoluted and confusing. Some of the Eps with it were cool, others... not so much.
The Best? The Xindi arc, and the Soong arc. Ent would have been awesome if it had had more storylines like the Soong arc.
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Time travel stupidity
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the entire xindi story line
The Theme Song.
It looked better than the TOS which was supposed to be 100 years later.
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God I hated that theme song.
I also hated 95% of season 3
The Taco has spoken. And boy is it true.
Everyone sing along: "It's been a long road..."
Yeah I always skip that song. What was the most mediocre of Rod Stewart-esque 90s light rock doing in Star Trek in 2003?
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Season One and Two:
Archer and Crew: Ohhh! New planet! With people!! Should we go look?
T'pol: No. Bad idea.
Archer and Crew: TRIBBLE you, pointie ears! We're going!
Archer and Crew goes, wackiness ensues, everyone gets back to the ship.
Archer and Crew: Whew, we almost ruined that civilization. You'd think in the 100 years between first contact and now someone would have thought out a procedure for meeting all of these aliens that we sorta already knew were out here and all.
T'pol: Told you it was a bad idea.
Archer and Crew: Shut up pointie ears! And find us another planet with people already!
Season Three:
Xindi, Xindi, Xindi...Archer emotes badly...Xindi, Xindi, Xindi.
And as an added bonus - last episode of season three/first two episodes of season four introduced us to time-travelling space TRIBBLE. Because after an entire season of secretly wishing the Xindi would finally put Archer (and us) out of our collective misery, we needed time travelling space TRIBBLE to fully cleanse our suspension-of-disbelief palettes.
Season Four:
Ok, time travelling space TRIBBLE not included, I kinda liked season four. They did mini-arches where a story would continue over two or three episodes, and a wicked mirror universe two-parter. So, in typical modern TV fashion, as soon as a show sort of finds it legs and I start to enjoy it, CANCELLED.
Oh, and yeah - the theme music sucked.
ENT did not get cancelled. The network running it got cancelled.
That is so true for oh so many reasons. Are you still doing weekly episode rewatches in the office? Next time an ENT episode is scheduled gather some mates, sing along loudly through the full song and make sure to have someone tape it.
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The problem with going so far back is that... it's awkward in more ways than one.
They should have used the proposed NX-01 Refit with secondary hull in the first season, because that looked like a angular, primitive precursor to the Constitution class. Using an Akira-inspired design made the titular ship look very wierd IMO, because it's so highly detailed compared to the streamlined, smoothed out NCC-1701(A).
Secondly, the cast felt too plain, too "bound to Earthly reality" for some reason. None of the Picard-esque utopian logic, none of the "Wild Frontier" feel of DS9.
If you've already experienced transwarp speeds and wormholes, you don't want to feel like you're stuck below Warp 5 again.
JJTrek actually got the "retro" feeling correct, for some reason I can't identify. Yes, they were probably stuck at the same top warp speeds of the day, yes, their technology appears to be more primitive than later canon time periods, and yes, JJ didn't need to make it seem all slow and primitive, because everything was state of the art and epic in its time.
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Give the man a taco. This is the ONLY reason it bombed and got cancelled.
Give it a good orchestral theme song and I think it manages a full run of 7 series.
Kirk's Protege.
I think that after we get a few more JJ-style films and/or another Trek series, we'll have Enterprise being looked back on as an under-appreciated series and that the new stuff should be more like it. Mostly because nostalgia-fueled nerd-rage works like that a lot of the time.
This is a good point actually. I think that ENT played up the "Prequelness" of it a bit too much, rather than portraying it as something big and epic for it's time it was "Oh how cute, warp 5 is a big deal now".
They did that with a lot of things in ENT, and I think that goes a long way to explain why it failed as a series.
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I kind of said "WTH?" and have never seen a single episode since.
This is something JJ also did better than ENT did. The big scary Narada has several hundred years of advancement on the Enterprise. But by having the cast use the element of surprise, and hit and run tactics against the Narada, the power of the Enterprise isn't diminished. Also, it's the ******ned Enterprise (even if the nacelles and pew pew cannons look stupid).
The NX-01 just feels...... quaint. Cute even. That's not a good thing.
Plus it looks like it's from Star Craft. That is definitely not a good thing.
How is that any better or worse than the half dozen or so episodes in all the other Trek series, that used the same theme?
For example...
The episode with Lt. Barkley seeing floating blobs while in the transporter (Realm of Fear).
Or even the one where Picard and friends get turned into children (Rascals).
Perspective my friend, perspective.
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1. Theme song was dippy.
2. Most episodes seemed geared towards having the camera linger on T'Pols lady bits. Which are nice lady bits, but I want cake to go with my icing.
3. Wasted potential. As a prequel it should have focused on the effort it took to create the UFP we know and love, with intrigue and interweaving arcs like DS9. But what we got was another TNG-lite show like Voyager.
4. The crew were written with the personalities of white bread. The dog had more charm.
The large story arcs were a bit much. I know I can pop in a DVD and watch a single episode and leave it. If you want to watch just the Xindi story arc you need to pretty much watch all of season 3.
T'Pol was used way too much as a sex symbol. The whole trellium-d drug abuse didn't sit well either.
As far as the borg is concerned that episode was very wrong. I understand they were suppose to be from first contact but the borg never identified themselves even though it would normally be the first thing out of their mouths. They also managed to get more shots off with their phase pistols then they ever did on the Enterprise E with remodulating rifles. Ect.
I digress. There are too many things one can focus on. Season 4 was the best season. There were a few others gems in the pervious seasons that is worth looking at. For example "North Star" had a nice trek feel to it. "Carbon Creek" should also be considered.
I wish they had taken the opportunity to explore a bit more into the culture of the different founding species of the federation. While they did touch on the dispute between Vulcan and Andoria there was a lot more they could have done.
The best character in the series imo was Thy'lek Shran. Jeffrey Combs gets all the best part.
Either way as a whole I did not care for the series.
My understanding about the time travelling TRIBBLE's were that they were added for the third season finale as a push to get the series renewed for a fourth season. I mean, who wanted to end the series with a shuttlepod randomly being strafed by P-51's after they just saved the universe.
I was also apparently the only one in the world who really liked the theme song.
On a slightly different tangent, I cringed when I saw that John Billingsley (Phlox) was playing the resident expert in 2012 (the movie). He must have been hard up for work.
This. I quite liked the song. And the show was rather enjoyable. Every show (Except TOS) took a while to take off. TNG & VOY were a bit dull until the Borg showed up. DS9 wasn't very good until the Dominion War started. If it had gone another few seasons, I think ENT would've been a really good show.
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The storywriting, while not exceptional in the first two seasons, did a lot to set the stage: we have humanity taking its first real steps toward space exploration (very cool to see) Archer and T'Pol struggling to overcome their preconceptions (like us), the Vulcan High Command watching over their shoulders (don't we all hate that?), Shran and the Andorians (Jeffery Combs!
Season three had the ship on a mission to stop the Xindi from wiping out Earth. This was done to reflect the War on Terror on Earth, and had Archer and company struggling with their ethics more than a few times (also like us).
Season four: brilliant! Undoubtedly the golden era of Enterprise - augments from the Eugenics Wars (Brent Spiner!
Enterprise is a massively underrated series, and I desperately hope that in time it will receive the praise it rightfully deserves.
On a final note, the NX-01 is my favorite ship EVER. If you think it's ugly, check out the following images:
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/nx1_0001.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/cal_e_21.jpg
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/boxref_0001.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/f/fc/Hatchery_planet.jpg
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