Not sure when you started Playing dude, But Actually the last Poll given was Romulans Or KDF.. Now we have Tau Dewa.. BY PLAYER request. Most Likely the romulan Playable Race is being Created as we speak for future Roll out. ALSO As for Klingon Faction. The Klingon Faction and I know People Don't want to here This, Was NOT created to be a full blown Faction, It was Created as an Advanced Faction to give more of a challenge in PVP to Higher Level Captains. It was Even Advertised as That. As for the Mess Remember This game Was never fully Finished by Perpetual Due to Bankruptcy. Cryptic Bought it and had to Convert the Codes from the Perpetual Engine Into what we have today. Is it an Excuse, No. Is it fact, Yes.
Dear Cryptic user Dariusmajere;
You Are Wrong!
The KDF Faction WAS supposed to have been as complete as the Federation faction at release.. And, the KDF faction won the pole. Players voted to see KDF finished first.
Lets give you a fact checking here shall we.. ((and I do belive a few of us have tried to get this across to you before)) Original STO Developer.. It Was Not Cryptic.. they picked up the licence to the IP after another studio went under trying to create STO, adapted what they could to the cryptic Game engine (same one as used for Champions Online, and City Of Hero's-now defunct) And developed the rest, and to give them some benifit of the doubt here, and a damd tite time scedule with zero wiggle room. They were on a deadline of release by or loose the licence.
The KDF was not finished as the deadline for release came up.. Cryptic HAD to release the game when they did 3 years ago or LOSE THE RIGHTS TO THE IP period, end of story.. Cryptic ran out of development time. They tideied up where they coould so there wasn't to many ragged ends and released. The KDF was supposed to have been a full faction.. instead they got left as a "Monster Play" faction. The Executive Developer Daniel Stahl was/is an Age of Conan player so was familiar with the concept of a Monster play faction. KDF Was Not Nor Ever Ment To Be A Monster Play Faction... it just happened to be where things broke at release. Stahl was comfortable with that as monster play was something he understood. Even though for the Klingon fans it definatly was NOT sufficiently good. Thats why so many KDF player left the game after a year of play. And why it was down damd near to KDF players with life time meberships keeping the faith for the most part.
At one point KDF oriented players made up less then 1/5th of the player base.. but of those KDF players more then half held life time memberships. And people wonder why we voice our anger so loudly..I'd think it would be pretty obvious.
The diehard KDF players have been P.O'd since release about promises made for KDF content that were either never delivered on or whoafully under delivered on. Ina redcent ask cryptic Stahl stated for the record good things for KDF in season 8. We KDF players have heard THAT song before and serve notice that this time it had best be for real of there will be hell to pay.
The Original poster though is very correct about a great many things. Half hearted work in too many area's.. poor editing of joint mission dialogs to reflect properly the difference between a Federation and a KDF point of view.. Bugs that go un-fixed or ignored forever.
Big Example. Shield Doubleing Exploit (now dead, reason why in a moment) For the first 2 years of the game there was an exploit that if in a PvP match you had taken shield damage and werr packing an extra set of shield you could replace the "damaged" set during combat, and the game engine would not release the previous shield number.. it would in effect act as an entirely second set of shield under the primary set, both shield would repair at the same rate. This issue was noted and complained about for two years, up untill a developer came onto a Video podcast known as STO'ked and had it shown to him.
(note that said dev later took the job of championing pvP in the studio.. and shortly there after left the studio and no longer works there.. I guess the boss's hates to be publicly embarassed....even if it was the bosses own fault. No one know if the dev in question was teminated or left on his own.. companies NEVER tell the truth about this sort of matter.. especially if it might become a PR issue) NOTE that it took the bug being displayed before THOUSANDS of viewers on an internationally viewed video cast to get the issue addressed and fixed.. This exploit took two years to be fixed, even though there were players on the games forum BRAGGING about how they were taking advantage of it. Does Cryptic listen to it's players? Sometimes, yes they do. But it seems, only when forced to do so. I could be wrong, but it sure doesn't feel like I'm wrong.
The Original Poster has made some very telling points and is to be commended for noticing them with out having spent the last three years playing STO.
STO is a 3rd rate MMO at BEST, that is only still here because of it being a Star Trek game... without the trek label it would have likely been shut down in the games second year because there wouldn't have been sufficient players around to continue..
I have been playing MMO's since there were MMO's.. and considering I'm in my 50's.. I have a whole lot of experience with computer gaming. More then two decades.
I also happen to be a die hard Klingon fan and player... and unlike you sir I HAVE been paying attention to the facts, and not some wishfull thinking goblety **** based on rumor and assumption. And I have been playing this game since beta, and I do just happen to have a life time membership (which I got as a leap of faith..silly me, should have known better. skinned the hell out of my nose on this one)
If your going to defend cryptic studio's record then at least get your facts strait will you?
I don't object to your defending them.. I have even done so from time to time.. but DO NOT promulgate lies when your doing it. Your not doing Cryptic any favors, and you do in fact make the studio look even WORSE....Dude!
Khemaraa, The Iron Hand sends
P.S. Borticas was a fan, and in fact Co-Hosted STO'ked. The show mentioned was his very last other then as a guest, as he was offered a job by cryptic studios due to much of the work he did during the run of STO'ked. Borticus is indeed a fan of the game, and a player of the game besides being one of the studio's Dev's now. And he's one of the very best friends we the players could have on the inside of the door into cryptic studios. He doesn't always tell everything, but he will not lie to the players about a game issue.. He'll either lay it out for you or not say anything. But he does deliver the strait dope. The man has got integrity that I for one happen to trust. He's not let me down yet, and if he has, he's the only one that knows it.
Well sir.. Please check your numbers on that poll again... I believe you are drastically mistaken.. 30% for romulan 19% for kdf.. Not sure what information your going off of..
Also in the ask cryptic q&a on Raptr it was stated that the kdf faction was built for a higher level pvp faction and was not designed as a full faction. But they will be working if the numbers are there into fleshing it out. Stahl has said he is working to petition it fleshed out since he feels that might breathe life into it. But with the federation bringing in the paycheck they get priority. Also the packaging for sto shows differently. I also was in the beta but seeing as the game was did not bother subbing to it and stuck with Eve Online. Aside for your gripes being a kdf player they have kept with what was advertised at shipping.
When i get on an actual pc and not the nexus 7 i will grab all the quotes from the q&a's and post the links to them and you can post your counters quotes and official sources as well.
As for spreading lies i go by the information stated by stahl, by the q&a's and by the advertising on the box. Unless you can as this forums is famous for saying show the link from an Cryptic dev stating otherwise...
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As for spreading lies i go by the information stated by stahl, by the q&a's and by the advertising on the box. Unless you can as this forums is famous for saying show the link from an Cryptic dev stating otherwise...
I never said I expected perfection out of craptic, in fact I distinctly recall saying I'm not expecting perfection. Bugs are a fact of life, I get that, but the sheer volume and the fact that they don't get fixed begs the question, why? The only answer I can come up with is they don't care. I challenge craptic to prove me wrong on that.
This pretty much sums it up. It's perfectly ok if there are bugs that make it onto live realms and it's ok if they take some time to get fixed.
What I get angry about is the fact, that major and sometimes game-breaking bugs don't get fixed, yet they continue to push out "content" that is being effected by them as well.
For example they have released yet another new and shiny Doff specialization, which doesn't get it's own category on the exchange, therefore making it completely worthless, since it can't be bought or sold. It's the same problem that's been faced by the last two new Doff specializations for months.
So why not fix the old bug, before you release the new Doff spec? It's simply greedy, sloppy and amateurish.
I did Say From an Official Source. STOwiki is NOT an official Source And That Thread is more slanted then Fox News.
a) The Thread Almost Got closed about it because it was not a Direct Fact based neutral Run about it. But More Sided by Typical KDF Tears. The Warrior Race played by Temper-mental children. No Direct Dates were Ever given and the player based Made alot of Assumptions that Dates were Set and Made there own Judgments on what were coming.
None of the Posts Directly Stated This is WHEN 1-21 would be coming out. the Thread Itself Acknowledges that it was Sold as a PVP Faction ON Launch. As I stated. When All was Said and Done, and It became Official, It Was a Advanced PVP Faction. Not Player assumptions, Not random Rumors, But HARD Fact. Yes It does state later on it was going to be PVE but due to Time Constraints It was released as a PVP Faction. Not Launched as a Full Fledged Faction. Content has been Added as they said they were going to. Never Once did they say it was a Full Expansion of the Klingons, But the Klingon Player Based Assumed it would be. There has not been or ever been a direct statement in that thread or it's Links to hard Code showing a date of Full Content 1-50. It shows the plan to but not the time frame to. I does show if the Numbers pushed it, The earliest would be next Season. They have Never Stated What Was directly Coming in any of the Threads. They HAVE Delivered Content to the KDF and as I stated, the KDF is never happy and always Over assumed what is coming.
What has been Stated is that Cryptic has been Burnt in the past with adding in KDF ships to the Stores and have not made its money back on the Development Costs From Stahl. Stahl has stated in order for more content like ships etc to appear the numbers have to be there to show it would cover the cost of Development. Cryptic has continued to Feed KDF access to Content And to ships. As much as the Feds? No. No where as near, But I would not have my company Waste Valuable Resources for part of the product that has not shown Profit Either. You don't feed a Dying Horse. As I have said in many other posts. You people Who love the KDF so Much Want to see more, Show them you want to see it. Get more and more people onto the KDF maps, Into KDF ships and Buying KDF items. If Cryptic Notices there are profit in the fields, they will come and build. I do Love my KDF characters, I own All the Uniforms, I own All the Ships. Do I use them All Know, but I full believe if you love the product and want to support the product, You support the product and the Devs will support you. The Majority of the Feds Support the Fed Side, and the Devs support the Feds. I don't know many KDF players That have Gone out and Grabbed all the ships, After playing the Fed Side, They cherry picked there Purchases based on how they played as a Fed.
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This pretty much sums it up. It's perfectly ok if there are bugs that make it onto live realms and it's ok if they take some time to get fixed.
What I get angry about is the fact, that major and sometimes game-breaking bugs don't get fixed, yet they continue to push out "content" that is being effected by them as well.
For example they have released yet another new and shiny Doff specialization, which doesn't get it's own category on the exchange, therefore making it completely worthless, since it can't be bought or sold. It's the same problem that's been faced by the last two new Doff specializations for months.
So why not fix the old bug, before you release the new Doff spec? It's simply greedy, sloppy and amateurish.
I do wish they would Fix the Exchange. I flood typically the market with Doffs, And having these Specialty doffs float all around it is rediculous. I wish there was a Sort Ability for Faction. In the past you were able to Tell the Two factions apart, now for alot of them you have to right click them to check the backgrounds. It would be alot easier to capitalize the Doff EXchange better if I could sort by Traits and sort by Faction For how I price what I sell. The Search All feature has been Busted For Ages.
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where in there does it say KDF was ever supposed to have "full" content?
DStah: Prior to launch, Craig did attempt to start communicating that KDF at launch was going to be PVP only - and in Beta that is exactly what it was.
It was during Beta that Jack started to talk about "if the players want KDF PVE - we'll listen" - but at that late stage in the game, there was not much the development team can do to instantly come up with 30 hours of KDF PVE content compared to what was made for the Fed side.
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There's plenty of links there to old forum posts and Stahl's statements (and back-pedalling) over KDF content are well known by many players here.
Only as recently as the F2P transition we were told that the KDF would see some significant improvements - little-to-nothing has been done with the KDF since then - much the same as the PvP discussions and promises.
Honestly, I can't understand why anyone would take an apologist stance over Cryptic's handling of the KDF - unless of course, they just don't care about that segment of the player base.
There's plenty of links there to old forum posts and Stahl's statements (and back-pedalling) over KDF content are well known by many players here.
Only as recently as the F2P transition we were told that the KDF would see some significant improvements - little-to-nothing has been done with the KDF since then - much the same as the PvP discussions and promises.
Honestly, I can't understand why anyone would take an apologist stance over Cryptic's handling of the KDF - unless of course, they just don't care about that segment of the player base.
Show me. Don't just give me the old rumormill copout of "he said it somewhere". give me a link.
P.S. Borticas was a fan, and in fact Co-Hosted STO'ked. The show mentioned was his very last other then as a guest, as he was offered a job by cryptic studios due to much of the work he did during the run of STO'ked. Borticus is indeed a fan of the game, and a player of the game besides being one of the studio's Dev's now. And he's one of the very best friends we the players could have on the inside of the door into cryptic studios. He doesn't always tell everything, but he will not lie to the players about a game issue.. He'll either lay it out for you or not say anything. But he does deliver the strait dope. The man has got integrity that I for one happen to trust. He's not let me down yet, and if he has, he's the only one that knows it.
Sorry, I might have believed some of this prior to the STF->Omega Reputation conversion but that was so opaque, greedy and flat-out disrespectful of the STF community that I no longer believe the player-base has any 'friends' inside of Cryptic - all we are is an open wallet to them - believing otherwise is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Show me. Don't just give me the old rumormill copout of "he said it somewhere". give me a link.
Get off your lazy TRIBBLE and read the archived posts in the links - I have - if you can't be bothered to actually investigate a counterpoint to your denial of Cryptic's mishandling and misrepresentation of the KDF then there's little point in me trying to persuade you.
Get off your lazy TRIBBLE and read the archived posts in the links - I have - if you can't be bothered to actually investigate a counterpoint to your denial of Cryptic's mishandling and misrepresentation of the KDF then there's little point in me trying to persuade you.
Get off your lazy TRIBBLE and read the archived posts in the links - I have - if you can't be bothered to actually investigate a counterpoint to your denial of Cryptic's mishandling and misrepresentation of the KDF then there's little point in me trying to persuade you.
KDF Content Given:
Starbases and Starbase Projects Tailored Directly Towards them
New Ship in the Cstore, Veteran reward Ship, Custom Tailored Lock box Ships, Mirror Ships.
New Starbase and Embassy content so far coming Out Monthly.
New Alpha Mission
Lobi Store costumes Dedicated to KDF only.
thats Off the top of my Head.
Stahl Dancing around topics is Again, Not a direct Hard Statement and date said this is when it is hitting For you to say they have Failed to Deliver. If no Delivery Date and No Direct List of items is stated to be Delivered. Then No Delivery can be failed to Arrive and no content is missing From Arriving. Show Me what they have promised to hand you and a Direct Date they failed to give it on. As I said Straight up, Hard Fact. Assumptions of what is coming or to be delivered by the players is not a guarantee of what is to come or when it will Arrive.
We are told Eventually if we hold out we would Eventually Make a good paycheck at or jobs.
At the end we fail to Get what we want or decide is a good amount, Never once did the company State what we would Get. They state what we could Get if we stayed with them.
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he has a point. its not about the whole game sucks or anything. its just that there are so many bugs that have been there for ages and those bugs have been reported (sometimes prior their release to holodeck). there are small bugs and there are big bugs. small bugs dont matter so much but big bugs do and they should be fixed asap. one big bug is the one shoot borg story. its not that whoever is reading my post here heard the first time about it. almost everybody has expired that and it should be fixed. still, there is not even a sign that this is going to be fixed. i think staff-management at cryptic is responsible here. there should be a group of devs who are constantly fixing bugs (because there is still a huge list). i am a VA and most of the bugs do not concern me right away, as i dont play the mission content anymore. but when i started a new character a few weeks ago, i had to see all those bugs still being in the game and if i would be new to this game and not a hardcore star trek fan, chances are high that i would have played this for the last time and just remove it from my harddrive. i have quite a good defiant build and STFs are no problem for me, but if i would be new with (probably) maximum some blue gear that is not above MK X, i would stop playing as well, its too depressing to be destroyed all the time at even the normal difficult level. my new char, a science, has a nebula and i play him from time to time. he has almost no chance in any STF when its a direct confrontation. it has heeling capabilities but those are quite useless against invisible borg powers. i didnt use any advise on how to make a decent build nor does it have the required equipment, but the normal player who is playing this game for the first time will be like that as well and its not fun. a game is supposed to make fun and if you dont have good gear and know about all the bugs in the game, its not making any fun. of course, the player should have some good gear but if you dont have the MACO or OMEGA, you are lost. Not every new guy wants to invest soo much time to get the gear so it should be possible to at least survive an STF with normal blue gear, too. Make a 3rd difficult-level with the borg much weaker and you will solve this problem, but there are still one-shoots that are not solved. well, i think i am doing circle?s right now so you can think the rest of my opinion about the whole problem.
then a short note about the KDF. i have one character and i dont play him at all. It was already boring to play him anyway because KDF almost has the same exact content as FED and whats the point? I tried to skip as much as possible of those missions and level myself up with borg red alerts.
KDF Content Given:
Starbases and Starbase Projects Tailored Directly Towards them
New Ship in the Cstore, Veteran reward Ship, Custom Tailored Lock box Ships, Mirror Ships.
New Starbase and Embassy content so far coming Out Monthly.
New Alpha Mission
Lobi Store costumes Dedicated to KDF only.
thats Off the top of my Head.
Aside from the Alpha mission, I don't consider any of your remaining points 'content' - and you can debate the semantics all you want but tell me, how often do you visit your starbase (Fed or KDF) and - do you have fun there?. I know I sure don't.
Yes, there's ships - lots and lots of ships to fly in decent old PvE content, sub-standard new PvE content or broken PvP - it's graphical fluff with no purpose other than to get you to reach into your wallet or grind Dilithium for.
And this can be said of the Feds as much as the KDF, the only difference being that the KDF have very little of their own mission content - way less than the Feds. And any new stuff that gets introduced is as faction agnostic as possible and whilst the Feddies may not care, they should because its making a mockery of their storyline too.
Cryptic could put a captured KDF Borg cube in the C-Store for all I care, with 15 consoles and slots for 8 Boffs but after flying it around Narendra 3 times to get 60 Romulan Marks, what else am I gonna do with it? Park it outside New Romulus I guess whilst I go chase bunnies. Qapla' :rolleyes:
...ALSO As for Klingon Faction. The Klingon Faction and I know People Don't want to here This, Was NOT created to be a full blown Faction, It was Created as an Advanced Faction to give more of a challenge in PVP to Higher Level Captains. It was Even Advertised as That...
This Is Typical Pre-design Discussions and what was Planned. Now show me the Launch notes That Showed You were fully Getting it. Alot In that Video has not yet been Introduced. He said they planned to have. Planned Meaning will be Added. Again No direct statement would be available on Launch Date. Complain IF you want about Lies. Show me again On Launch Notes. And The Direct SALE of the Game. And in the SALES material etc. this Showed as being Included.,
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This Is Typical Pre-design Discussions and what was Planned. Now show me the Launch notes That Showed You were fully Getting it. Alot In that Video has not yet been Introduced. He said they planned to have. Planned Meaning will be Added. Again No direct statement would be available on Launch Date. Complain IF you want about Lies. Show me again On Launch Notes. And The Direct SALE of the Game. And in the SALES material etc. this Showed as being Included.,
Never said they did not back pedal. BUt you sir Said. it was never supose to be full Faction. That is lie. It was. Original plan to be full Faction per that video. It was not till open beta that they change it from full faction to faction we finish later. Then to PVP only faction.
Now that said. Had cryptic done other wise they would have been no game. How it been almost three years. It past time to finish he faction.
Never said they did not back pedal. BUt you sir Said. it was never supose to be full Faction. That is lie. It was. Original plan to be full Faction per that video. It was not till open beta that they change it from full faction to faction we finish later. Then to PVP only faction.
Now that said. Had cryptic done other wise they would have been no game. How it been almost three years. It past time to finish he faction.
I Said, At Launch. What Matters is Day of Sale. If you members Are Adament and I am sure this line will vanish Quick. That Day of Sale promises Were Not met, You have whats Called False Advertising. You have the ability to find one of them Greedy Ferengi out there who will take a cut.. To force them to do it, Or refund the player base.
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DStah: Prior to launch, Craig did attempt to start communicating that KDF at launch was going to be PVP only - and in Beta that is exactly what it was.
It was during Beta that Jack started to talk about "if the players want KDF PVE - we'll listen" - but at that late stage in the game, there was not much the development team can do to instantly come up with 30 hours of KDF PVE content compared to what was made for the Fed side.
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Player Assumptions ARE not Hard Fact. Players Assumptions are treated like any Assumption, Unless it is 100% flat out handed down with a Date. It is Speculative.
No, its only 3 years now down the road. They've had plenty of time to do it. That specific enough for you? You're giving excuses, not reasons. Any Christian will tell you the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Oh and btw, while you're out spewing propaganda for craptic, since you're not a craptic employee, your so called "facts" are mere assumptions as well.
Craptics intentions aside, they've not followed through with their promises or any fundamental obligation to fix their broken TRIBBLE. 3 years craptic has had to get its act together. 3 years they've continued to let down the player base and push customers away.
I haven't been playing STO for 3 years, but I've been a life time subscriber for over a year now. This all was apparent to me when I hit 50 on my first toon back in early January. Things haven't gotten any better, quite the contrary, in fact.
Take away star trek from this game and what are you left with? Seriously... remove all trek references, replace the ships and costumes with generic space ships and the like, leave everything else in place. Would you play? Can you honestly tell me you would spend real money and support this game?
I'm here for Star Trek. It pisses me off to see this money hungry, incompetently managed company destroy one of the last vestiges of star trek from the inside out. Every day that goes by, I get just a little tiny bit more angry at PWE and Craptic. One day, it'll boil over and I don't know what will happen. I may just close my account and walk away forever, or I may do something completely outrageous. No idea.
No, its only 3 years now down the road. They've had plenty of time to do it. That specific enough for you? You're giving excuses, not reasons. Any Christian will tell you the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Oh and btw, while you're out spewing propaganda for craptic, since you're not a craptic employee, your so called "facts" are mere assumptions as well.
Craptics intentions aside, they've not followed through with their promises or any fundamental obligation to fix their broken TRIBBLE. 3 years craptic has had to get its act together. 3 years they've continued to let down the player base and push customers away.
I haven't been playing STO for 3 years, but I've been a life time subscriber for over a year now. This all was apparent to me when I hit 50 on my first toon back in early January. Things haven't gotten any better, quite the contrary, in fact.
Take away star trek from this game and what are you left with? Seriously... remove all trek references, replace the ships and costumes with generic space ships and the like, leave everything else in place. Would you play? Can you honestly tell me you would spend real money and support this game?
I'm here for Star Trek. It pisses me off to see this money hungry, incompetently managed company destroy one of the last vestiges of star trek from the inside out. Every day that goes by, I get just a little tiny bit more angry at PWE and Craptic. One day, it'll boil over and I don't know what will happen. I may just close my account and walk away forever, or I may do something completely outrageous. No idea.
And any Free thinker will Tell you there is No True christians today, Because None of them Actually Follow There Scriptures. Luckily Today We have people Who are Free from Such Mind Controlling Abilities we can Get things Done. But Aside From that Since the debate would Get Crushed Bringing a religious Debate into it.
We are Talking About Facts. Cryptic Has not Set a Date to Hit to be deemed Breaking Promises. They have Stated Content was Coming, they stated Content would arrive here and there and not in one lump Sum. They have followed thru On Delivering Content At said Dates, Never Said what content Was Coming. But Still Delivered KDF content, We do not Decide What Content Is, The Developer Does. The Developer Has yet To state X is Coming on X Date and X never Happened. Things that Are Planned are Still Planned. When things are Put down to the player base on an Actual Date and Time Frame Are then Official Goals that they have to hit.
Would I play this Game If Star Trek was Removed. Yes, I would. I still enjoy playing it. I personally don't Even Look at it as Star Trek Since it is beyond Even JJ Trek. Except For likeliness there are no Star Trek ideologies In here. The Game is Action orientated and less about Scientific Discovery or meeting new alien races and uniting them under One flag. No where In this game is Rodenberries Utopian society Being Pushed. Even With this Knowledge Being well out there, And even how the Game is Advertised on Website, And on the packaging itself. This game has showed Nothing About Rodenberries Dream.
Star Trek Died With Rodenberry, Its the Fans That keep it going. Hell It took JJ Abrams who got new fans even coming to watch it, mainly because its one giant roller coaster with fireworks going off. This is how the future Of Trek is until someone else who thinks they can reboot the reboot is going to Be.
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I Said, At Launch. What Matters is Day of Sale. If you members Are Adament and I am sure this line will vanish Quick. That Day of Sale promises Were Not met, You have whats Called False Advertising. You have the ability to find one of them Greedy Ferengi out there who will take a cut.. To force them to do it, Or refund the player base.
You also gave cryptic a free pass on that fact that did at one point say the Faction would be full PVE Faction. It matters little when it was said. It was stated. And three years after launch the faction is still anything but a Full PVE Faction. So to say it was always supose to be PVP only faction. IS a LIE.
The truth is. KDF Was supose to be a Full PVE Faction. Then at some point toward launch cryptic release they did not have time and start change what the KDF was supose to be.
You also gave cryptic a free pass on that fact that did at one point say the Faction would be full PVE Faction. It matters little when it was said. It was stated. And three years after launch the faction is still anything but a Full PVE Faction. So to say it was always supose to be PVP only faction. IS a LIE.
The truth is. KDF Was supose to be a Full PVE Faction. Then at some point toward launch cryptic release they did not have time and start change what the KDF was supose to be.
I have Also continuously stated At Launch. Not BEFORE. Cryptic Gets A Free Pass on What was NOT sold to the customer What Was not delivered to the customer by the time the payment Was Made. As I Said If you have Evidence That the Full PVE content Was supposed to Be available and Was Advertised and notified that at Day of payment It would be There. Then Legally Challenge It. I have NOT Defended Pre-Sale Promises. I have Defended Day of Sale what was Advertised.
If I was to be Debating Pre-Sale Promises I would NOT get involved In that, Nor would any Lawyer. BUT Day of Sale and to now is what I am Defending. The Day people Dropped Cash. If you Dropped Cash during the time they said It would be a Full PVE Product. Then Legally Challenge it.
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Would I play this Game If Star Trek was Removed. Yes, I would. I still enjoy playing it. I personally don't Even Look at it as Star Trek ...
You've told me what I suspected since your first response. You are behind cryptic and care little for the game. You like rooting for the underdog, I get it, that's fine. Just bear in mind while you're cuddling up with overlord Stahl on a down blanket with Zen logos stitched into it, that the rest of us are here for Star Trek. It deserves far better treatment that its getting.
Personally, I never heard of PWE or Cryptic before I started playing STO. Yes, I have heard of CoH and Champions online, never played it personally.. but no, never heard of cryptic or PWE and I didn't ever associate them with those two games until I looked into who was behind this trash.
What I find truly shocking, further delving into craptic, is that Kevin Cloud, one of the co-owners of Id Software sits on the board of advisors for craptic. I would absolutely LOVE to hear what this man has to say how the handling of this game has gone. Id Software is a gaming company I grew up on, a name I can trust. Neither PWE or Craptic is there, not even close.
You've told me what I suspected since your first response. You are behind cryptic and care little for the game. You like rooting for the underdog, I get it, that's fine. Just bear in mind while you're cuddling up with overlord Stahl on a down blanket with Zen logos stitched into it, that the rest of us are here for Star Trek. It deserves far better treatment that its getting.
Personally, I never heard of PWE or Cryptic before I started playing STO. Yes, I have heard of CoH and Champions online, never played it personally.. but no, never heard of cryptic or PWE and I didn't ever associate them with those two games until I looked into who was behind this trash.
What I find truly shocking, further delving into craptic, is that Kevin Cloud, one of the co-owners of Id Software sits on the board of advisors for craptic. I would absolutely LOVE to hear what this man has to say how the handling of this game has gone. Id Software is a gaming company I grew up on, a name I can trust. Neither PWE or Craptic is there, not even close.
No What you don't understand is What I am Defending is what Cryptic Has Stated about the Game. Do I want more Trek in here yes. I want at least 70% of the combat Removed and the Science and Lore of Star Trek Brought into it. The Shows were not Built upon Non stop combat. I couldn't Care about the under Dog or Overlord Stahl. What I am Defending Is what was stated at LAUNCH. Many of you do not seem to get that. Also If you were Truly here for Star Trek, You would NOT HAVE GOTTEN THIS GAME. Nothing About this Game follows Trek. The Story It gives Yes, The Gameplay it Gives, the Missions it Offers it does Not. Since when In Star Trek Was it Shoot to Kill Primarily. This Game even has more Trigger happy aspects the Kirk's Days and it even in songs is joked with the lines of We Come in peace Shoot to kill. Where Have you come Across a Peaceful Resolution to something in this Game? Cardassian Story Arc.. won with Violence.. romulan Arc.. Won with Violance.. Breen/defara.. Won with Violence.. Borg.. well.. gonna be violent.. Undine.. Violent.. Klingon Arc, Very First Arc.. shoot to Kill. Where do you See Trek in that?
As for Kevin Cloud and ID Software.. Remember Who the Brains and business of ID Software is.. Carmack. As for ID Software.. Cloud was just an Artist. They are not even a main company anymore they are mostly with Bethesda Soft now who is Also Owned by Zenimax. Let's Look at how Bethesda has been Changing and shifting The Fallout Series Into a DLC Content based Game.. Or any of the games Zenimax Pushes.
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I think you're just arguing now for the sake of arguing. I'm not going to debate you any longer. Craptic never once said prior to or after launch that they were going to put forth minimal effort to maintain this game or develop content, yet that is EXACTLY what they have done and there is absolutely no way that can be denied. If you think they're doing fine, well, I guess I just have higher standards and a lower tolerance for BS than you do, and judging by the trend in this thread and on the rest of the freaking forum, so do most of the other players. At least the ones that post. I'll quote myself for posterity's sake...
It's been stated many times on these forums that the number of people that are unsatisfied with PWE and craptic far outnumber the number of people that are willing to defend them.
You have in fact deviated me from the point of my original post which is to put craptic on notice that I'm aware of their BS and I'm asking for them, out of nothing more than respect for the Star Trek franchise, to change their ways. If you (craptic) can't do that, then tell overlord Stahl to -1 customer on his metrics.
I think you're just arguing now for the sake of arguing. I'm not going to debate you any longer. Craptic never once said prior to or after launch that they were going to put forth minimal effort to maintain this game or develop content, yet that is EXACTLY what they have done and there is absolutely no way that can be denied. If you think they're doing fine, well, I guess I just have higher standards and a lower tolerance for BS than you do, and judging by the trend in this thread and on the rest of the freaking forum, so do most of the other players. At least the ones that post. I'll quote myself for posterity's sake...
You have in fact deviated me from the point of my original post which is to put craptic on notice that I'm aware of their BS and I'm asking for them, out of nothing more than respect for the Star Trek franchise, to change their ways. If you (craptic) can't do that, then tell overlord Stahl to -1 customer on his metrics.
From Dstahl in response to a user: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3270086&postcount=124
01-07-2011, 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon
"If dstahl is getting tired of reading those complaints then he needs to remember that he's the one responsible for those complaints, and he's the one that can make them stop by fulfilling his customers demands."
Obviously I've been given a heap of responsibility to drive the ship and at no point have I ever said that we're not going to make any more KDF content. In fact, quite the contrary I've said that I'm committed to making the KDF faction get to a place where we feel it has a solid PVE experience. I've said we're not there yet. I've said that it is going to take time. I've asked for patience.
So yeah - I get a little tired of the "are we there yet" comments when clearly we aren't.
I feel as though your entire point is "I'm going to keep asking are we there yet until we are there". Fine. But I get tired of hearing it sometimes and it certainly doesn't make the car go any faster. I feel you are half-right in that I can fulfill customer _demands_ by continuing to improve the KDF... but I certainly can't stop you from complaining no matter how hard I try.... so as a human being... I think its fair to say... I'm a bit tired of "Are we there yet?" comments. I can understand them - but I'm here to tell you - they aren't making anything go any faster. It's just complaining for the sake of complaining at this point.
Btw... the answer is NO - we aren't there yet. But we're on our way - we're on the right road and we're cruising along at top speed.
If you don't like the speed at which the car is moving - your options are to jump out or watch the DVD in the back seat and eat some cheerios.
From Gozer: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3311240&postcount=187
" 3. We have added content to the KDF Faction since launch, however the majority of STO players only play Federation characters and there is only so much we can do every day. We will continue to add KDF content to the game. If it's not fast enough for some people, well... there really isn't much we can do about that.. "
Continuation of that From Dstahl: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3311401&postcount=223
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Darren, no one is denying that the plans changed. However, Gozer is claiming in his last post that the plan for Klingons to have full PvE content NEVER EXISTED in the first place, and we have video proof that is wrong. Of course the plans changed. But that doesnt mean they NEVER EXISTED as Gozer is claiming. "
No disrespect to Gozer, but he is presenting his view and perception of events and was either not aware of or privvy to discussions at executive levels.
To set the record straight (de'ja vu) - I think I put it best in a recent interview when I said we pretty much promised anything and everything when it came to Klingon play prior to launch and that if you really went and dug up information from emails and discussions and interviews - it wouldn't surprise me in the least what you'd find in terms of the KDF Faction.
Prior to launch, Craig did attempt to start communicating that KDF at launch was going to be PVP only - and in Beta that is exactly what it was.
It was during Beta that Jack started to talk about "if the players want KDF PVE - we'll listen" - but at that late stage in the game, there was not much the development team can do to instantly come up with 30 hours of KDF PVE content compared to what was made for the Fed side.
You'll notice that as early as Season 1 we started to address this and every release since has been adding KDF PVE content or at the very least content playable by any faction.
Does the KDF have a long ways to go before it is comparable to the Feds? yes.
Will they ever have as much PVE content as the Feds? Not in the short term.
Are we going to stop everything we are doing and only work on the KDF? nope.
Am I committed to seeing a healthy KDF faction on par with the FED faction? 100% yes.
That is the situation that I've been reiterating (and I do mean reiterating - I say all of this quite frequently) since I took the Executive Producer helm in July.
Can that make up for all the nonesense that was said pre-launch? Nope.
It is what it is and we are working on making it better every single day.
Gozer did do the remastered episode because it was on his schedule to do it now. Gozer doesn't know why it is on his schedule now... only that it is because I put it there.
So if you want to blame anyone for Remastered Azura before anything else blame me.
But I think my track record of supporting KDF has been very clear. Every update the KDF improves. It will continue to do so on my watch.
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Every Expansion Content Either in Costumes, Ships, Starbase Content, Inclusion in featured Episodes, Has Occured as he said it would. He Also said it would NOT be Quick He also Said KDF would NOT take priority. So Cryptic HAS stated It's Intentions Multiple Times. The Gentleman Above who Posted the STOWIKI KDF Strong Pushed Page. Gives ALOT of Information if you Exactly Want to see what was Said. What was Stated as to speed, and if the Faction would take a priority. So Again, Cryptic Has Stated What was going on. The KDF Fan base as usual Chooses to ignore Launch based Promises, notification of what was being launched into the Closed Beta and what was being Stated by Developers And there attitudes During it straight up to where we Are Now. I am not argueing For the Sake of Argueing. I am Stating Facts, Proof and Concise Facts of Launch Date For Sale delivery. You may of only played since before January but Apparently in all your Ranting you have NOT read Everything out there. Hopefully These Quotes will help you and maybe you should Read the Pro-KDF STOwiki Article. Sure you will find more things that TRIBBLE you Off. But you will Also See On Date of Subscription It Was NOT promised Yet Everyone Subscribed Anyway Because they ASSUMED it would be. The people That Played The Beta seen what they were Subbing To. The Developer Team straight up to the Top Stated what was being Packaged. If you Feel Fooled For Buying a Lifetime then it is because you Did not Read what you were purchasing And that is Your Fault for being Ill-Informed and Not taking the Responsibility to research what you were subscribing To prior to Purchase. This Coming From a Life Time Member who spend 299 on his Sub and did not purchase it During a Sale. This Coming From a member who has MORE KDF Characters Then Federation Characters. This Coming from a Player Who Seen what was going on and Made a Decision to Purchase My Sub at Full priced Based on a well Informed mindset.
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All I can see here is two people (or possibly just one) not giving a damn about the others opinions, believing absolutely sure that they're right despite all supposed evidence from the other...
That's not a good thing Maybe I'd join the conversation, but I wouldn't know where to start
Perhaps instead we should just say this: Cryptic does have a right to do their content their way, but their handling of it is questionible to some, and move on. Now can we get to the original point?
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Dear Cryptic user Dariusmajere;
You Are Wrong!
The KDF Faction WAS supposed to have been as complete as the Federation faction at release.. And, the KDF faction won the pole. Players voted to see KDF finished first.
Lets give you a fact checking here shall we.. ((and I do belive a few of us have tried to get this across to you before)) Original STO Developer.. It Was Not Cryptic.. they picked up the licence to the IP after another studio went under trying to create STO, adapted what they could to the cryptic Game engine (same one as used for Champions Online, and City Of Hero's-now defunct) And developed the rest, and to give them some benifit of the doubt here, and a damd tite time scedule with zero wiggle room. They were on a deadline of release by or loose the licence.
The KDF was not finished as the deadline for release came up.. Cryptic HAD to release the game when they did 3 years ago or LOSE THE RIGHTS TO THE IP period, end of story.. Cryptic ran out of development time. They tideied up where they coould so there wasn't to many ragged ends and released. The KDF was supposed to have been a full faction.. instead they got left as a "Monster Play" faction. The Executive Developer Daniel Stahl was/is an Age of Conan player so was familiar with the concept of a Monster play faction. KDF Was Not Nor Ever Ment To Be A Monster Play Faction... it just happened to be where things broke at release. Stahl was comfortable with that as monster play was something he understood. Even though for the Klingon fans it definatly was NOT sufficiently good. Thats why so many KDF player left the game after a year of play. And why it was down damd near to KDF players with life time meberships keeping the faith for the most part.
At one point KDF oriented players made up less then 1/5th of the player base.. but of those KDF players more then half held life time memberships. And people wonder why we voice our anger so loudly..I'd think it would be pretty obvious.
The diehard KDF players have been P.O'd since release about promises made for KDF content that were either never delivered on or whoafully under delivered on. Ina redcent ask cryptic Stahl stated for the record good things for KDF in season 8. We KDF players have heard THAT song before and serve notice that this time it had best be for real of there will be hell to pay.
The Original poster though is very correct about a great many things. Half hearted work in too many area's.. poor editing of joint mission dialogs to reflect properly the difference between a Federation and a KDF point of view.. Bugs that go un-fixed or ignored forever.
Big Example. Shield Doubleing Exploit (now dead, reason why in a moment) For the first 2 years of the game there was an exploit that if in a PvP match you had taken shield damage and werr packing an extra set of shield you could replace the "damaged" set during combat, and the game engine would not release the previous shield number.. it would in effect act as an entirely second set of shield under the primary set, both shield would repair at the same rate. This issue was noted and complained about for two years, up untill a developer came onto a Video podcast known as STO'ked and had it shown to him.
(note that said dev later took the job of championing pvP in the studio.. and shortly there after left the studio and no longer works there.. I guess the boss's hates to be publicly embarassed....even if it was the bosses own fault. No one know if the dev in question was teminated or left on his own.. companies NEVER tell the truth about this sort of matter.. especially if it might become a PR issue) NOTE that it took the bug being displayed before THOUSANDS of viewers on an internationally viewed video cast to get the issue addressed and fixed.. This exploit took two years to be fixed, even though there were players on the games forum BRAGGING about how they were taking advantage of it. Does Cryptic listen to it's players? Sometimes, yes they do. But it seems, only when forced to do so. I could be wrong, but it sure doesn't feel like I'm wrong.
The Original Poster has made some very telling points and is to be commended for noticing them with out having spent the last three years playing STO.
STO is a 3rd rate MMO at BEST, that is only still here because of it being a Star Trek game... without the trek label it would have likely been shut down in the games second year because there wouldn't have been sufficient players around to continue..
I have been playing MMO's since there were MMO's.. and considering I'm in my 50's.. I have a whole lot of experience with computer gaming. More then two decades.
I also happen to be a die hard Klingon fan and player... and unlike you sir I HAVE been paying attention to the facts, and not some wishfull thinking goblety **** based on rumor and assumption. And I have been playing this game since beta, and I do just happen to have a life time membership (which I got as a leap of faith..silly me, should have known better. skinned the hell out of my nose on this one)
If your going to defend cryptic studio's record then at least get your facts strait will you?
I don't object to your defending them.. I have even done so from time to time.. but DO NOT promulgate lies when your doing it. Your not doing Cryptic any favors, and you do in fact make the studio look even WORSE....Dude!
Khemaraa, The Iron Hand sends
P.S. Borticas was a fan, and in fact Co-Hosted STO'ked. The show mentioned was his very last other then as a guest, as he was offered a job by cryptic studios due to much of the work he did during the run of STO'ked. Borticus is indeed a fan of the game, and a player of the game besides being one of the studio's Dev's now. And he's one of the very best friends we the players could have on the inside of the door into cryptic studios. He doesn't always tell everything, but he will not lie to the players about a game issue.. He'll either lay it out for you or not say anything. But he does deliver the strait dope. The man has got integrity that I for one happen to trust. He's not let me down yet, and if he has, he's the only one that knows it.
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Also in the ask cryptic q&a on Raptr it was stated that the kdf faction was built for a higher level pvp faction and was not designed as a full faction. But they will be working if the numbers are there into fleshing it out. Stahl has said he is working to petition it fleshed out since he feels that might breathe life into it. But with the federation bringing in the paycheck they get priority. Also the packaging for sto shows differently. I also was in the beta but seeing as the game was did not bother subbing to it and stuck with Eve Online. Aside for your gripes being a kdf player they have kept with what was advertised at shipping.
When i get on an actual pc and not the nexus 7 i will grab all the quotes from the q&a's and post the links to them and you can post your counters quotes and official sources as well.
As for spreading lies i go by the information stated by stahl, by the q&a's and by the advertising on the box. Unless you can as this forums is famous for saying show the link from an Cryptic dev stating otherwise...
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The History Of The Klingon Empire With Cryptic Studios
This pretty much sums it up. It's perfectly ok if there are bugs that make it onto live realms and it's ok if they take some time to get fixed.
What I get angry about is the fact, that major and sometimes game-breaking bugs don't get fixed, yet they continue to push out "content" that is being effected by them as well.
For example they have released yet another new and shiny Doff specialization, which doesn't get it's own category on the exchange, therefore making it completely worthless, since it can't be bought or sold. It's the same problem that's been faced by the last two new Doff specializations for months.
So why not fix the old bug, before you release the new Doff spec? It's simply greedy, sloppy and amateurish.
I did Say From an Official Source. STOwiki is NOT an official Source And That Thread is more slanted then Fox News.
a) The Thread Almost Got closed about it because it was not a Direct Fact based neutral Run about it. But More Sided by Typical KDF Tears. The Warrior Race played by Temper-mental children.
None of the Posts Directly Stated This is WHEN 1-21 would be coming out. the Thread Itself Acknowledges that it was Sold as a PVP Faction ON Launch. As I stated. When All was Said and Done, and It became Official, It Was a Advanced PVP Faction. Not Player assumptions, Not random Rumors, But HARD Fact. Yes It does state later on it was going to be PVE but due to Time Constraints It was released as a PVP Faction. Not Launched as a Full Fledged Faction. Content has been Added as they said they were going to. Never Once did they say it was a Full Expansion of the Klingons, But the Klingon Player Based Assumed it would be. There has not been or ever been a direct statement in that thread or it's Links to hard Code showing a date of Full Content 1-50. It shows the plan to but not the time frame to. I does show if the Numbers pushed it, The earliest would be next Season. They have Never Stated What Was directly Coming in any of the Threads. They HAVE Delivered Content to the KDF and as I stated, the KDF is never happy and always Over assumed what is coming.
What has been Stated is that Cryptic has been Burnt in the past with adding in KDF ships to the Stores and have not made its money back on the Development Costs From Stahl. Stahl has stated in order for more content like ships etc to appear the numbers have to be there to show it would cover the cost of Development. Cryptic has continued to Feed KDF access to Content And to ships. As much as the Feds? No. No where as near, But I would not have my company Waste Valuable Resources for part of the product that has not shown Profit Either. You don't feed a Dying Horse. As I have said in many other posts. You people Who love the KDF so Much Want to see more, Show them you want to see it. Get more and more people onto the KDF maps, Into KDF ships and Buying KDF items. If Cryptic Notices there are profit in the fields, they will come and build. I do Love my KDF characters, I own All the Uniforms, I own All the Ships. Do I use them All Know, but I full believe if you love the product and want to support the product, You support the product and the Devs will support you. The Majority of the Feds Support the Fed Side, and the Devs support the Feds. I don't know many KDF players That have Gone out and Grabbed all the ships, After playing the Fed Side, They cherry picked there Purchases based on how they played as a Fed.
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I do wish they would Fix the Exchange. I flood typically the market with Doffs, And having these Specialty doffs float all around it is rediculous. I wish there was a Sort Ability for Faction. In the past you were able to Tell the Two factions apart, now for alot of them you have to right click them to check the backgrounds. It would be alot easier to capitalize the Doff EXchange better if I could sort by Traits and sort by Faction For how I price what I sell. The Search All feature has been Busted For Ages.
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DStah: Prior to launch, Craig did attempt to start communicating that KDF at launch was going to be PVP only - and in Beta that is exactly what it was.
It was during Beta that Jack started to talk about "if the players want KDF PVE - we'll listen" - but at that late stage in the game, there was not much the development team can do to instantly come up with 30 hours of KDF PVE content compared to what was made for the Fed side.
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Player Assumptions ARE not Hard Fact. Players Assumptions are treated like any Assumption, Unless it is 100% flat out handed down with a Date. It is Speculative.
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There's plenty of links there to old forum posts and Stahl's statements (and back-pedalling) over KDF content are well known by many players here.
Only as recently as the F2P transition we were told that the KDF would see some significant improvements - little-to-nothing has been done with the KDF since then - much the same as the PvP discussions and promises.
Honestly, I can't understand why anyone would take an apologist stance over Cryptic's handling of the KDF - unless of course, they just don't care about that segment of the player base.
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Sorry, I might have believed some of this prior to the STF->Omega Reputation conversion but that was so opaque, greedy and flat-out disrespectful of the STF community that I no longer believe the player-base has any 'friends' inside of Cryptic - all we are is an open wallet to them - believing otherwise is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Get off your lazy TRIBBLE and read the archived posts in the links - I have - if you can't be bothered to actually investigate a counterpoint to your denial of Cryptic's mishandling and misrepresentation of the KDF then there's little point in me trying to persuade you.
Lame cop out there.
KDF Content Given:
Starbases and Starbase Projects Tailored Directly Towards them
New Ship in the Cstore, Veteran reward Ship, Custom Tailored Lock box Ships, Mirror Ships.
New Starbase and Embassy content so far coming Out Monthly.
New Alpha Mission
Lobi Store costumes Dedicated to KDF only.
thats Off the top of my Head.
Stahl Dancing around topics is Again, Not a direct Hard Statement and date said this is when it is hitting For you to say they have Failed to Deliver. If no Delivery Date and No Direct List of items is stated to be Delivered. Then No Delivery can be failed to Arrive and no content is missing From Arriving. Show Me what they have promised to hand you and a Direct Date they failed to give it on. As I said Straight up, Hard Fact. Assumptions of what is coming or to be delivered by the players is not a guarantee of what is to come or when it will Arrive.
We are told Eventually if we hold out we would Eventually Make a good paycheck at or jobs.
At the end we fail to Get what we want or decide is a good amount, Never once did the company State what we would Get. They state what we could Get if we stayed with them.
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then a short note about the KDF. i have one character and i dont play him at all. It was already boring to play him anyway because KDF almost has the same exact content as FED and whats the point? I tried to skip as much as possible of those missions and level myself up with borg red alerts.
Aside from the Alpha mission, I don't consider any of your remaining points 'content' - and you can debate the semantics all you want but tell me, how often do you visit your starbase (Fed or KDF) and - do you have fun there?. I know I sure don't.
Yes, there's ships - lots and lots of ships to fly in decent old PvE content, sub-standard new PvE content or broken PvP - it's graphical fluff with no purpose other than to get you to reach into your wallet or grind Dilithium for.
And this can be said of the Feds as much as the KDF, the only difference being that the KDF have very little of their own mission content - way less than the Feds. And any new stuff that gets introduced is as faction agnostic as possible and whilst the Feddies may not care, they should because its making a mockery of their storyline too.
Cryptic could put a captured KDF Borg cube in the C-Store for all I care, with 15 consoles and slots for 8 Boffs but after flying it around Narendra 3 times to get 60 Romulan Marks, what else am I gonna do with it? Park it outside New Romulus I guess whilst I go chase bunnies. Qapla' :rolleyes:
When did mediocrity become so acceptable?
Go watch the video and stop spreading lies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcAn3nhf97Y#t=01m48s
This Is Typical Pre-design Discussions and what was Planned. Now show me the Launch notes That Showed You were fully Getting it. Alot In that Video has not yet been Introduced. He said they planned to have. Planned Meaning will be Added. Again No direct statement would be available on Launch Date. Complain IF you want about Lies. Show me again On Launch Notes. And The Direct SALE of the Game. And in the SALES material etc. this Showed as being Included.,
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Never said they did not back pedal. BUt you sir Said. it was never supose to be full Faction. That is lie. It was. Original plan to be full Faction per that video. It was not till open beta that they change it from full faction to faction we finish later. Then to PVP only faction.
Now that said. Had cryptic done other wise they would have been no game. How it been almost three years. It past time to finish he faction.
I Said, At Launch. What Matters is Day of Sale. If you members Are Adament and I am sure this line will vanish Quick. That Day of Sale promises Were Not met, You have whats Called False Advertising. You have the ability to find one of them Greedy Ferengi out there who will take a cut.. To force them to do it, Or refund the player base.
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No, its only 3 years now down the road. They've had plenty of time to do it. That specific enough for you? You're giving excuses, not reasons. Any Christian will tell you the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Oh and btw, while you're out spewing propaganda for craptic, since you're not a craptic employee, your so called "facts" are mere assumptions as well.
Craptics intentions aside, they've not followed through with their promises or any fundamental obligation to fix their broken TRIBBLE. 3 years craptic has had to get its act together. 3 years they've continued to let down the player base and push customers away.
I haven't been playing STO for 3 years, but I've been a life time subscriber for over a year now. This all was apparent to me when I hit 50 on my first toon back in early January. Things haven't gotten any better, quite the contrary, in fact.
Take away star trek from this game and what are you left with? Seriously... remove all trek references, replace the ships and costumes with generic space ships and the like, leave everything else in place. Would you play? Can you honestly tell me you would spend real money and support this game?
I'm here for Star Trek. It pisses me off to see this money hungry, incompetently managed company destroy one of the last vestiges of star trek from the inside out. Every day that goes by, I get just a little tiny bit more angry at PWE and Craptic. One day, it'll boil over and I don't know what will happen. I may just close my account and walk away forever, or I may do something completely outrageous. No idea.
And any Free thinker will Tell you there is No True christians today, Because None of them Actually Follow There Scriptures. Luckily Today We have people Who are Free from Such Mind Controlling Abilities we can Get things Done. But Aside From that Since the debate would Get Crushed Bringing a religious Debate into it.
We are Talking About Facts. Cryptic Has not Set a Date to Hit to be deemed Breaking Promises. They have Stated Content was Coming, they stated Content would arrive here and there and not in one lump Sum. They have followed thru On Delivering Content At said Dates, Never Said what content Was Coming. But Still Delivered KDF content, We do not Decide What Content Is, The Developer Does. The Developer Has yet To state X is Coming on X Date and X never Happened. Things that Are Planned are Still Planned. When things are Put down to the player base on an Actual Date and Time Frame Are then Official Goals that they have to hit.
Would I play this Game If Star Trek was Removed. Yes, I would. I still enjoy playing it. I personally don't Even Look at it as Star Trek Since it is beyond Even JJ Trek. Except For likeliness there are no Star Trek ideologies In here. The Game is Action orientated and less about Scientific Discovery or meeting new alien races and uniting them under One flag. No where In this game is Rodenberries Utopian society Being Pushed. Even With this Knowledge Being well out there, And even how the Game is Advertised on Website, And on the packaging itself. This game has showed Nothing About Rodenberries Dream.
Star Trek Died With Rodenberry, Its the Fans That keep it going. Hell It took JJ Abrams who got new fans even coming to watch it, mainly because its one giant roller coaster with fireworks going off. This is how the future Of Trek is until someone else who thinks they can reboot the reboot is going to Be.
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You also gave cryptic a free pass on that fact that did at one point say the Faction would be full PVE Faction. It matters little when it was said. It was stated. And three years after launch the faction is still anything but a Full PVE Faction. So to say it was always supose to be PVP only faction. IS a LIE.
The truth is. KDF Was supose to be a Full PVE Faction. Then at some point toward launch cryptic release they did not have time and start change what the KDF was supose to be.
I have Also continuously stated At Launch. Not BEFORE. Cryptic Gets A Free Pass on What was NOT sold to the customer What Was not delivered to the customer by the time the payment Was Made. As I Said If you have Evidence That the Full PVE content Was supposed to Be available and Was Advertised and notified that at Day of payment It would be There. Then Legally Challenge It. I have NOT Defended Pre-Sale Promises. I have Defended Day of Sale what was Advertised.
If I was to be Debating Pre-Sale Promises I would NOT get involved In that, Nor would any Lawyer. BUT Day of Sale and to now is what I am Defending. The Day people Dropped Cash. If you Dropped Cash during the time they said It would be a Full PVE Product. Then Legally Challenge it.
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You've told me what I suspected since your first response. You are behind cryptic and care little for the game. You like rooting for the underdog, I get it, that's fine. Just bear in mind while you're cuddling up with overlord Stahl on a down blanket with Zen logos stitched into it, that the rest of us are here for Star Trek. It deserves far better treatment that its getting.
Personally, I never heard of PWE or Cryptic before I started playing STO. Yes, I have heard of CoH and Champions online, never played it personally.. but no, never heard of cryptic or PWE and I didn't ever associate them with those two games until I looked into who was behind this trash.
What I find truly shocking, further delving into craptic, is that Kevin Cloud, one of the co-owners of Id Software sits on the board of advisors for craptic. I would absolutely LOVE to hear what this man has to say how the handling of this game has gone. Id Software is a gaming company I grew up on, a name I can trust. Neither PWE or Craptic is there, not even close.
No What you don't understand is What I am Defending is what Cryptic Has Stated about the Game. Do I want more Trek in here yes. I want at least 70% of the combat Removed and the Science and Lore of Star Trek Brought into it. The Shows were not Built upon Non stop combat. I couldn't Care about the under Dog or Overlord Stahl. What I am Defending Is what was stated at LAUNCH. Many of you do not seem to get that. Also If you were Truly here for Star Trek, You would NOT HAVE GOTTEN THIS GAME. Nothing About this Game follows Trek. The Story It gives Yes, The Gameplay it Gives, the Missions it Offers it does Not. Since when In Star Trek Was it Shoot to Kill Primarily. This Game even has more Trigger happy aspects the Kirk's Days and it even in songs is joked with the lines of We Come in peace Shoot to kill. Where Have you come Across a Peaceful Resolution to something in this Game? Cardassian Story Arc.. won with Violence.. romulan Arc.. Won with Violance.. Breen/defara.. Won with Violence.. Borg.. well.. gonna be violent.. Undine.. Violent.. Klingon Arc, Very First Arc.. shoot to Kill. Where do you See Trek in that?
As for Kevin Cloud and ID Software.. Remember Who the Brains and business of ID Software is.. Carmack. As for ID Software.. Cloud was just an Artist. They are not even a main company anymore they are mostly with Bethesda Soft now who is Also Owned by Zenimax. Let's Look at how Bethesda has been Changing and shifting The Fallout Series Into a DLC Content based Game.. Or any of the games Zenimax Pushes.
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You have in fact deviated me from the point of my original post which is to put craptic on notice that I'm aware of their BS and I'm asking for them, out of nothing more than respect for the Star Trek franchise, to change their ways. If you (craptic) can't do that, then tell overlord Stahl to -1 customer on his metrics.
From Dstahl in response to a user:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3270086&postcount=124
01-07-2011, 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon
"If dstahl is getting tired of reading those complaints then he needs to remember that he's the one responsible for those complaints, and he's the one that can make them stop by fulfilling his customers demands."
Obviously I've been given a heap of responsibility to drive the ship and at no point have I ever said that we're not going to make any more KDF content. In fact, quite the contrary I've said that I'm committed to making the KDF faction get to a place where we feel it has a solid PVE experience. I've said we're not there yet. I've said that it is going to take time. I've asked for patience.
So yeah - I get a little tired of the "are we there yet" comments when clearly we aren't.
I feel as though your entire point is "I'm going to keep asking are we there yet until we are there". Fine. But I get tired of hearing it sometimes and it certainly doesn't make the car go any faster. I feel you are half-right in that I can fulfill customer _demands_ by continuing to improve the KDF... but I certainly can't stop you from complaining no matter how hard I try.... so as a human being... I think its fair to say... I'm a bit tired of "Are we there yet?" comments. I can understand them - but I'm here to tell you - they aren't making anything go any faster. It's just complaining for the sake of complaining at this point.
Btw... the answer is NO - we aren't there yet. But we're on our way - we're on the right road and we're cruising along at top speed.
If you don't like the speed at which the car is moving - your options are to jump out or watch the DVD in the back seat and eat some cheerios.
From Gozer:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3311240&postcount=187
" 3. We have added content to the KDF Faction since launch, however the majority of STO players only play Federation characters and there is only so much we can do every day. We will continue to add KDF content to the game. If it's not fast enough for some people, well... there really isn't much we can do about that..
Continuation of that From Dstahl:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3311401&postcount=223
Quote:
Originally Posted by The.Grand.Nagus
Darren, no one is denying that the plans changed. However, Gozer is claiming in his last post that the plan for Klingons to have full PvE content NEVER EXISTED in the first place, and we have video proof that is wrong. Of course the plans changed. But that doesnt mean they NEVER EXISTED as Gozer is claiming. "
No disrespect to Gozer, but he is presenting his view and perception of events and was either not aware of or privvy to discussions at executive levels.
To set the record straight (de'ja vu) - I think I put it best in a recent interview when I said we pretty much promised anything and everything when it came to Klingon play prior to launch and that if you really went and dug up information from emails and discussions and interviews - it wouldn't surprise me in the least what you'd find in terms of the KDF Faction.
Prior to launch, Craig did attempt to start communicating that KDF at launch was going to be PVP only - and in Beta that is exactly what it was.
It was during Beta that Jack started to talk about "if the players want KDF PVE - we'll listen" - but at that late stage in the game, there was not much the development team can do to instantly come up with 30 hours of KDF PVE content compared to what was made for the Fed side.
You'll notice that as early as Season 1 we started to address this and every release since has been adding KDF PVE content or at the very least content playable by any faction.
Does the KDF have a long ways to go before it is comparable to the Feds? yes.
Will they ever have as much PVE content as the Feds? Not in the short term.
Are we going to stop everything we are doing and only work on the KDF? nope.
Am I committed to seeing a healthy KDF faction on par with the FED faction? 100% yes.
That is the situation that I've been reiterating (and I do mean reiterating - I say all of this quite frequently) since I took the Executive Producer helm in July.
Can that make up for all the nonesense that was said pre-launch? Nope.
It is what it is and we are working on making it better every single day.
Gozer did do the remastered episode because it was on his schedule to do it now. Gozer doesn't know why it is on his schedule now... only that it is because I put it there.
So if you want to blame anyone for Remastered Azura before anything else blame me.
But I think my track record of supporting KDF has been very clear. Every update the KDF improves. It will continue to do so on my watch.
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Every Expansion Content Either in Costumes, Ships, Starbase Content, Inclusion in featured Episodes, Has Occured as he said it would. He Also said it would NOT be Quick He also Said KDF would NOT take priority. So Cryptic HAS stated It's Intentions Multiple Times. The Gentleman Above who Posted the STOWIKI KDF Strong Pushed Page. Gives ALOT of Information if you Exactly Want to see what was Said. What was Stated as to speed, and if the Faction would take a priority. So Again, Cryptic Has Stated What was going on. The KDF Fan base as usual Chooses to ignore Launch based Promises, notification of what was being launched into the Closed Beta and what was being Stated by Developers And there attitudes During it straight up to where we Are Now. I am not argueing For the Sake of Argueing. I am Stating Facts, Proof and Concise Facts of Launch Date For Sale delivery. You may of only played since before January but Apparently in all your Ranting you have NOT read Everything out there. Hopefully These Quotes will help you and maybe you should Read the Pro-KDF STOwiki Article. Sure you will find more things that TRIBBLE you Off. But you will Also See On Date of Subscription It Was NOT promised Yet Everyone Subscribed Anyway Because they ASSUMED it would be. The people That Played The Beta seen what they were Subbing To. The Developer Team straight up to the Top Stated what was being Packaged. If you Feel Fooled For Buying a Lifetime then it is because you Did not Read what you were purchasing And that is Your Fault for being Ill-Informed and Not taking the Responsibility to research what you were subscribing To prior to Purchase. This Coming From a Life Time Member who spend 299 on his Sub and did not purchase it During a Sale. This Coming From a member who has MORE KDF Characters Then Federation Characters. This Coming from a Player Who Seen what was going on and Made a Decision to Purchase My Sub at Full priced Based on a well Informed mindset.
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That's not a good thing
Perhaps instead we should just say this: Cryptic does have a right to do their content their way, but their handling of it is questionible to some, and move on. Now can we get to the original point?
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.