The more important question is, who is the Blonde? The more I look at her, the more I think it's Elizabeth Dehner. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Dehner but doesn't she die in JJ's Where No Man Has Gone Before? I still think this guy moves like an augment though.
They don't - I just think it helps if the content of the movie isn't so glaringly similar to a healthy number of recent movies.
Let's face it, The Dark Knight Rises, the Avengers, the more recent Spiderman movie, Prometheus - this new Trek movie doesn't appear to contain anything that the aforementioned, recent, movies don't contain and the plot is largely VERY similar to some of the aforementioned too.
Well, 'doesn't appear' is still a bit early to claim... this is just a teaser trailer (they said another trailer will be released next week, and 9 mins of the film will be in the Imax releases of The Hobbit).
And I respect that opinion. Personally, I could care less if something has been done before in another film; I prefer to just enjoy what happens onscreen, more-or-less :P
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WHO'S BEEN HACKING MY BRAIN!?!?!? The whole "Enterprise landing in a large body of water" was something I created for a fanfiction that I wrote five years ago! Where's my tinfoil hat? Someones been stealing my brainwaves again! :mad:
As do I - but I feel that the trick is, when basically recycling plot elements from other movies, to try and do it better.
I'm not convined that JJ and his lens-flare obsession will achieve that.
Well, here's hoping
Though I read somewhere that some portion of the movie lens-flares weren't added in; they were naturally caught. It's not clear if that portion was little, half, all, or what though
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What is so great about Khan? Really? Khan was probably the best villain Kirk ever faced. Space Seed is a great TOS episode and ST2 The Wrath of Khan is thought of as probably the best Star Trek film ever made. Judging by the physical acts of the villain in the trailer and his "I have returned" quote, I'm leaning toward this being Khan. And this being Abrahms ST, who's to say some space freighter didn't awaken Khan in this timeline? I mean Abrahms already killed George Kirk, destroyed Vulcan and brought "our Spock" to his timeline.
BAH ,.,,,, JJ is a Fed-lover.
Seriously ... My take is this.
Klingons find Khan's ship floating in space.
They wake him up and JJ makes Klingons look like stooges as Khan kicks butt, takes names and then heads to Earth.
Altered timeline means Enterprise might not have found or ever find Botany Bay.
So love will stop the Zombie Apocalypse .........
Well, definitely a better love story than Twilight :rolleyes:
BUT BACK TO THE DISCUSSION, I'd like to weigh in:
1) The argument "Real Star Trek fans don't like JJVerse" has just become asinine at this point. I've been a fan of Star Trek as far back as I can remember (over 30 years), & while I don't much care for the Star Wars feel to the new movies, I'm not going to knock others for liking it. I mean honestly, I know a fellow Trekker who says "Spock is NOT Star Trek's GOAT" (no emote can describe the look of shock on my face ... ), but I know he loves the franchise & the new movie.
2) I have to throw my hat in with the "It's Gary Mitchell" folks on this one. Even with the additional footage in the Japanese teaser, I'm convinced it's not Khan, but Gary Mitchell. And, in truth, it makes a little more sense considering the prequel books & what I remember from the TOS episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before." To be honest, I'm hoping it is because I've always felt the Gary Mitchell character had a great deal of potential. I think between the prequel books & this movie, the character will finally show why he's arguably one of the biggest threats in the franchise. I'd even argue Mitchell could have been Kirk's greatest enemy, overshadowing Khan (yeah, I said it :cool: ).
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Scenario: we reach the 24th century with all the aforementioned issues a distant historical memory. Now a guy joins the crew and for some reason he is racist. Should the crew accept him because his views are different? Should they then allow racism to persist and be an alternative viewpoint within the modern 24th century federation?
There is a difference between accepting differences within the scenario and accepting a different scenario.
Granted; you have me there.
But unlike most fans, I actually tried to accept this new ST. And while in my case, I loved the film (and will probably love Into Darkness), many others didn't give it the chance it deserved... most saw it, and had a knee-jerk reaction of "It's different from Prime Trek = blasphemy", or something of that nature. No actual thinking or effort on their part
Of course, that's not everyone's opinion, but it did seem to comprise the most vocal.
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
TBH it looks like any other action movie made these days. Lot's of explosions, great special effects, screaming, destruction... and almost no story at all.
I have the film, I bought it on Blu-ray, it is a terrific film and I enjoy watching it. I just refuse to accept that it's anything to do with my Star Trek, it's a personal choice and not everyone will agree. I hope that somehow we can find a way to revert back to the timeline we know and love. Perhaps the plot for a future movie which will lead on to the next series? Somehow I doubt we'll be that lucky.
Well, I've posted a similiar opinion about that on these posts It has Star Trek's name, but if you don't like it, it's not part of the Trek you love. And if the opposite, then it is part of ST; it's just an alternate universe of it.
But the way some people talk, they want to kill this movie series simply because it exists... thinking that all ST has to be the old version. Which is illogical really; should we kill everything that anyone hates that exists? No
I just hate that people didn't give the movie a proper chance, and let their [insert whatever here] get in the way of that.
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I have the film, I bought it on Blu-ray, it is a terrific film and I enjoy watching it. I just refuse to accept that it's anything to do with my Star Trek, it's a personal choice and not everyone will agree. I hope that somehow we can find a way to revert back to the timeline we know and love. Perhaps the plot for a future movie which will lead on to the next series? Somehow I doubt we'll be that lucky.
Continuing the Prime timeline is a hope, I believe, every ST fan has. But I wish to pose a couple of questions to you:
1) Do you accept the Mirror Universe timeline? Why or why not?
2) Given the understanding surrounding JJVerse as simply another alternate universe, is it the idea of that timeline you don't accept, so simply how JJ Abrams does things (his vision)?
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How is he dumbing down the franchise? If I recall, the Star Trek movie franchise crapped the bed with Nemesis so badly that they didn't bother making another TNG or even bother with DS9 movies. Paramount was so disgusted that it almost sold the movie rights. Star Trek needed a shot in the arm. I think Abrahms did fans a favor my making his Star Trek an alternate timeline(ala Fringe) and making is non-trek movie goers would like it, vs corrupting our original beloved timeline and making fanboys wet themselves in anger. My brother-in-law in not an original Star Trek watcher, but he like Abramms movie. And if this keeps the Trek franchise going, I'm good with it.
Nemisis was 10x better as a star trek movie then jj's movies ever will be as long as he continues to pull his themes from what is popular now... Instead trying something different. I mean I like superhero movies but... The jj first star trek film lacked depth, the villain was so forgettable, if you say read the comic, I'll ask you did I have to read the comic or even watch the episode of space seed to really get khan's character no I didn't. The plot and conflict that the villain pulled from was so rushed and thoughtless. I wonder who the writers were becuase honestly they could have done better. The dialog and actors were very decent especially Kirk Spock and Bones.
It makes me wonder what he decided to change now and how can that overly bent and crazy bladed thing be a Bat'leth the balance on that blade would be ridiculous to use in actual combat. Special effects should always come after to making a good plot and conflict. There are plenty of specular action movies out there why make another in a already over saturated market.. It would be like if Electronic arts decided to make command and conquer or the next mass effect a modern day or near modern day shooter... Wait I don't want to give them ideas...
But I guess classic scifi themes and ideas is just not making enough niche money anymore which is a shame, instead we get themes from pop action movies... Has Science fiction been striped of the idea of audience exploring and thinking about the ideas the writer or director places forward? example: In nemesis Picard explored as well as the audience explores the idea would Picard be the same if he was in Shinzon shoes?
While you could say jj film had that in the form of is kirk different becuase his father wasn't there you'd be partly right, but it isn't a big focus of the movie and is presented as very minor part of the film. Becuase in the end it doesn't matter kirk will be kirk and save the day by kicking nero's butt whats so enthralling and thinking as that...
My impressions from the trailer and other clues dropped recently.
1. Villian - Garth of Izar. Why, from the mention of chess from recent statement from JJ's people and Khan and Gary Mitchell seem to obvious.
2. Blond - leaning towards Christine Chapel, but acknowledge that it could be Elizabeth Dehner.
3. Underwater Enterprise - I don't see a problem with this. Between Structural Intergrity Fields and Inertial Dampners, the ship should get through that ok. As for being able to move out of the water under it's own power, that shouldn't an issue either between Thrusters and Impulse drive. Plus, if they can do it with the Space Battleship Yamato, it can be done elsewhere
I think as a form of revenge we should send a time traveller back to the start of the starwars saga and kill Princess leia
Turn Luke into a gunfighter
remove ALL the light sabers
I thought it looked great, myself. I definitely see it as Gary Mitchell, a "one man weapon of mass destruction" doesn't really fit the Khan mold.
As for the blonde, I was thinking Liz Dehner, but on a youtube discussion, someone countered that it could be Janice Rand. The blue uniform would seem to me to scream medical/science, and Rand was definitely ops, but you never know.
As far as owing anything to Roddenberry. He's like Lucas, as far as I'm concerned. He had a great vision, lead it through an exceptional first run, and then when TNG started up, was more of an impediment than an inspiration.
No character development? No interpersonal conflict?? The "great enemy" were basically capitalists run amok???
Sorry, either the cancer was TRIBBLE his brain up or he was a seriously senile hippy at the end.
The 1st, although in my book still good, was said to be too long and drawn out boring. It made for a great reunion movie, but that was about it. But we did get the birth of the new Klingon look from that movie.
Not the 2nd turn into a fast reboot from what was done in the motion picture. Everything was changed outside of the ship. Plus a ton more action was added to help the story along. Star Trek needed a bad guy at the time, and we Got Khan.
I will still give JJ a break with his version of Star Trek, after all whatelse do we have in that universe. Plus the fact I loved his 1st movie, and I feel he should keep going with his version.
Does that mean I don't want to see anymore Prime universe versions? Yeck no, but I will take my Trek were I can get it.
Not sure whether I like it or hate it. It tells us almost nothing about the movie, besides the fact that somebody is out for revenge (again). Then again, it is a teaser.
Anyone know when the theatrical trailer comes out?
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The reason TNG is so popular and why many of the other series are so revered is because of the interpersonal relationships between the crew. We watch them triumph over their own personal difficulties and at the same time watch them reach out the hand of friendship on their journey through the stars. We see them try to avoid conflict at all costs save their own protection and in defense of the weak. We see alien species working together side by side, not a hint of racial prejudice, to explore and learn and occasionally to defend the ideals of a united federation of like minded peoples from across the Galaxy. This is what Star Trek is to me, it's almost a holy reference guide to what we as a species can achieve both technologically and sociologically. This is Star Trek, this is the name given to this set of ideals and to one man's vision.
You forget that Star Trek fans hated TNG and didnt warm up to it until season 2.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Khan is supposed to still be frozen in the S.S Botany Bay. And Yes I know this is a different timeline, however Nero corrupted the timeline around 2240, Khan was cast into space in 1996.
Not that it would have been possible for another ship to have found the Botany Bay, because the Enterprise is the only ship that is able to fly around space at the moment. :rolleyes:
I doubt it's the Khan we know him, though I can see a connection.
Why are we assuming it is the Enterprise? There are other Constitution Class vessels within Starfleet, and if this new villan is looking for a place to hide a ship, why not the water? All we saw of the registry was the 'NCC' so it could be another ship.
If you freeze frame the bit when Benedict is flying through the air then starts beating on two people, they look like Klingons. They have the mask, looks like a baldric on one, and a bat'leth in the hand of the other one.
You are right, nice find. I wish they'd remove them stupid helmets though.
The first ship coming out of the water may be the enterprise. But if you pause while the second emerges the nacelles look rectangular. Like TWOK. In fact I also cant see the secondary hull, I think I should be able to.
I too noticed what appeared to be rectangular nacelles on the 'water-crash' scene, but the ship that is coming out of the water, those nacelles are definitely the Constitution type. Either they're one or the same ship, or there are multiple ships submerged in this film (which seems unlikely).
As far as I'm concerned, the JJ-verse is just as much Trek as the Mirror Universe. And that's all it is. It does not diminish the last 50 years, it is simply an alternate version. A more violent, aggressive version. But in this universe, Spock didn't grow his beard and Uhura doesn't show off her abs.
This is a perfectly rational way of looking at the new timeline. Kudos to you.
Alice Eve (the blond in the trailer) may be Elizabeth Dehner. Or she could be Carol Marcus?
IMDB continues to permit itself to name Khan (rumored) as Cumberbatches character. :rolleyes: Something that I think is really silly of them to do. Alice Eve's is actually left blank. Which is as it should be. I expect confirmation of both character's to be kept a secret for as long as possible.
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And I respect that opinion. Personally, I could care less if something has been done before in another film; I prefer to just enjoy what happens onscreen, more-or-less :P
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Though I read somewhere that some portion of the movie lens-flares weren't added in; they were naturally caught. It's not clear if that portion was little, half, all, or what though
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
BAH ,.,,,, JJ is a Fed-lover.
Seriously ... My take is this.
Klingons find Khan's ship floating in space.
They wake him up and JJ makes Klingons look like stooges as Khan kicks butt, takes names and then heads to Earth.
Altered timeline means Enterprise might not have found or ever find Botany Bay.
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So love will stop the Zombie Apocalypse
Well, definitely a better love story than Twilight :rolleyes:
BUT BACK TO THE DISCUSSION, I'd like to weigh in:
1) The argument "Real Star Trek fans don't like JJVerse" has just become asinine at this point. I've been a fan of Star Trek as far back as I can remember (over 30 years), & while I don't much care for the Star Wars feel to the new movies, I'm not going to knock others for liking it. I mean honestly, I know a fellow Trekker who says "Spock is NOT Star Trek's GOAT" (no emote can describe the look of shock on my face ... ), but I know he loves the franchise & the new movie.
2) I have to throw my hat in with the "It's Gary Mitchell" folks on this one. Even with the additional footage in the Japanese teaser, I'm convinced it's not Khan, but Gary Mitchell. And, in truth, it makes a little more sense considering the prequel books & what I remember from the TOS episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before." To be honest, I'm hoping it is because I've always felt the Gary Mitchell character had a great deal of potential. I think between the prequel books & this movie, the character will finally show why he's arguably one of the biggest threats in the franchise. I'd even argue Mitchell could have been Kirk's greatest enemy, overshadowing Khan (yeah, I said it :cool: ).
But unlike most fans, I actually tried to accept this new ST. And while in my case, I loved the film (and will probably love Into Darkness), many others didn't give it the chance it deserved... most saw it, and had a knee-jerk reaction of "It's different from Prime Trek = blasphemy", or something of that nature. No actual thinking or effort on their part
Of course, that's not everyone's opinion, but it did seem to comprise the most vocal.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
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But the way some people talk, they want to kill this movie series simply because it exists... thinking that all ST has to be the old version. Which is illogical really; should we kill everything that anyone hates that exists? No
I just hate that people didn't give the movie a proper chance, and let their [insert whatever here] get in the way of that.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Continuing the Prime timeline is a hope, I believe, every ST fan has. But I wish to pose a couple of questions to you:
1) Do you accept the Mirror Universe timeline? Why or why not?
2) Given the understanding surrounding JJVerse as simply another alternate universe, is it the idea of that timeline you don't accept, so simply how JJ Abrams does things (his vision)?
Nemisis was 10x better as a star trek movie then jj's movies ever will be as long as he continues to pull his themes from what is popular now... Instead trying something different. I mean I like superhero movies but... The jj first star trek film lacked depth, the villain was so forgettable, if you say read the comic, I'll ask you did I have to read the comic or even watch the episode of space seed to really get khan's character no I didn't. The plot and conflict that the villain pulled from was so rushed and thoughtless. I wonder who the writers were becuase honestly they could have done better. The dialog and actors were very decent especially Kirk Spock and Bones.
It makes me wonder what he decided to change now and how can that overly bent and crazy bladed thing be a Bat'leth the balance on that blade would be ridiculous to use in actual combat. Special effects should always come after to making a good plot and conflict. There are plenty of specular action movies out there why make another in a already over saturated market.. It would be like if Electronic arts decided to make command and conquer or the next mass effect a modern day or near modern day shooter... Wait I don't want to give them ideas...
But I guess classic scifi themes and ideas is just not making enough niche money anymore which is a shame, instead we get themes from pop action movies... Has Science fiction been striped of the idea of audience exploring and thinking about the ideas the writer or director places forward? example: In nemesis Picard explored as well as the audience explores the idea would Picard be the same if he was in Shinzon shoes?
While you could say jj film had that in the form of is kirk different becuase his father wasn't there you'd be partly right, but it isn't a big focus of the movie and is presented as very minor part of the film. Becuase in the end it doesn't matter kirk will be kirk and save the day by kicking nero's butt whats so enthralling and thinking as that...
1. Villian - Garth of Izar. Why, from the mention of chess from recent statement from JJ's people and Khan and Gary Mitchell seem to obvious.
2. Blond - leaning towards Christine Chapel, but acknowledge that it could be Elizabeth Dehner.
3. Underwater Enterprise - I don't see a problem with this. Between Structural Intergrity Fields and Inertial Dampners, the ship should get through that ok. As for being able to move out of the water under it's own power, that shouldn't an issue either between Thrusters and Impulse drive. Plus, if they can do it with the Space Battleship Yamato, it can be done elsewhere
Turn Luke into a gunfighter
remove ALL the light sabers
and all references to the force
As for the blonde, I was thinking Liz Dehner, but on a youtube discussion, someone countered that it could be Janice Rand. The blue uniform would seem to me to scream medical/science, and Rand was definitely ops, but you never know.
As far as owing anything to Roddenberry. He's like Lucas, as far as I'm concerned. He had a great vision, lead it through an exceptional first run, and then when TNG started up, was more of an impediment than an inspiration.
No character development? No interpersonal conflict?? The "great enemy" were basically capitalists run amok???
Sorry, either the cancer was TRIBBLE his brain up or he was a seriously senile hippy at the end.
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The 1st, although in my book still good, was said to be too long and drawn out boring. It made for a great reunion movie, but that was about it. But we did get the birth of the new Klingon look from that movie.
Not the 2nd turn into a fast reboot from what was done in the motion picture. Everything was changed outside of the ship. Plus a ton more action was added to help the story along. Star Trek needed a bad guy at the time, and we Got Khan.
I will still give JJ a break with his version of Star Trek, after all whatelse do we have in that universe. Plus the fact I loved his 1st movie, and I feel he should keep going with his version.
Does that mean I don't want to see anymore Prime universe versions? Yeck no, but I will take my Trek were I can get it.
Anyone know when the theatrical trailer comes out?
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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I doubt it's the Khan we know him, though I can see a connection.
1# It wouldn't make sense to permanently kill Spock off considering the whole "you two are friends for life" speech given in the fist film.
#2 Zachary Quinto has signed on for three films (at least). This is number two.
Why are we assuming it is the Enterprise? There are other Constitution Class vessels within Starfleet, and if this new villan is looking for a place to hide a ship, why not the water? All we saw of the registry was the 'NCC' so it could be another ship.
You are right, nice find. I wish they'd remove them stupid helmets though.
I too noticed what appeared to be rectangular nacelles on the 'water-crash' scene, but the ship that is coming out of the water, those nacelles are definitely the Constitution type. Either they're one or the same ship, or there are multiple ships submerged in this film (which seems unlikely).
This is a perfectly rational way of looking at the new timeline. Kudos to you.
IMDB continues to permit itself to name Khan (rumored) as Cumberbatches character. :rolleyes: Something that I think is really silly of them to do. Alice Eve's is actually left blank. Which is as it should be. I expect confirmation of both character's to be kept a secret for as long as possible.
Yeah, I was hoping that it would be him. The film could be set before his incarceration at the Elba II asylum. This would be the time where his "career dissolved in a dramatic descent into madness and attempted genocide". But I guess we'll have to wait and see who the villain really is.
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