However I was pointing out the fact that many sci-fi movies nowadays seem to take place on Earth (Total Recall remake is the most recent that comes to mind - Transformers too). I guess that if there is any other setting, we can't have a scene where some large object crashes into skyscrapers, resulting in crowds running for their lives and CGI buildings being demolished. For some reason that seems to be popular nowadays...
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Beyond all else, and this doesn't just apply to nu-Trek, I am just SICK and TIRED of movie directors having this obsessional, compulsive, need to make movies 'dark and gritty' these days.
Go watch My little Pony :-P Even ST:NG and DS9 had some dark episodes.
It is just a trailer. I will wait until I have seen the entire movie to form an opinion .
ST 2009 was a great action movie garnished with sprinkles of StarTrek. Like TOS .
Where Kirk shoot first, gets demolished and THEN opens frequencies to state that he wants peace :P
The more important question is, who is the Blonde? The more I look at her, the more I think it's Elizabeth Dehner. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Dehner but doesn't she die in JJ's Where No Man Has Gone Before? I still think this guy moves like an augment though.
If there's no TV tropes page for that, there should be.
It's definitely an emerging trend, that reality twisters and telekinetic people use their powers viscerally to do a mix of martial arts and Superman-type stuff.
If they adapted "Who Mourns for Adonais" into as movie, Apollo would know kung fu and use escrima sticks.
If you want to show a god in a movie, I think you pretty much have to depict them as Neo from the Matrix or audiences won't buy it.
So basically selling out the ST IP to appeal to a new dumbed down audience. Where are the real stories, why does everything have to be about an explosion every two minutes, if I want explosions I'll go watch Mythbusters. JJ should watch some of the TNG shows, Q Who was right up there along with episodes exploring the human condition such as The Inner Light, what it means to be sentient with The Measure Of A Man, these are some of the great stories that catapult Star Trek far beyond Star Wars and films of a similar ilk,
Roddenberry had a vision all right, the fact we are discussing this 50 years after that vision was first put to paper confirms that. It's up to us the real fans to ensure that his vision is not corrupted and violated in the endless search for $$$.
Selling it out? I just said this is an alternate version of ST; that much is obvious. This means that this new Trek goes on, and doesn't affect the old Trek at all; so how can you sell out the IP when the new version isn't even related to it, except by name?
Anyway, you still have the old Trek to enjoy, and it's completely untainted. There's nothing to violate or corrupt when the two versions are unrelated in all but name And sharing a name is not enough connection to be worth caring about over supposed corruption imo.
And real fans? Suddenly there's 'real' fans and other fans? That's much like you might tell a black man he isn't human... best not to go there, in either case.
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
People - please stop with all of this Khan stuff. I'm getting sick of it. Khan this, Khan that... What's so great in Khan that you want to see him again? An idee fixe if you ask me.
Yes - but emphasis on 'some' - whilst DS9 arguably leaned toward Dark and Gritty they at least knew where to draw the line and balanced the dark episodes with equally lighthearted ones.
And ST 2009 was not funny?
Bones was funny as hell.
And the scence where young Kirk trashed the oldtimer was hillarious
The more important question is, who is the Blonde? The more I look at her, the more I think it's Elizabeth Dehner. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Dehner but doesn't she die in JJ's Where No Man Has Gone Before? I still think this guy moves like an augment though.
I was thinking Nurse Chapel (We know she exists in this Enterprise) but Dehner makes alot more sense. And her hair matches.
While this movie may not embody what Trek was at it's core, it looks like it's gonna be great fun to watch. I'm excited.
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After looking at the Japanese version, found here, I am starting to think they repackaged "Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan". Possibly J.J.'s trailer illusions.
No Trek21, the name is what is used to sell it. If you went to watch the next Batman movie and it turned out to be a RomCom or the next Bond movie turned out to be another Bourne movie (some say it is) then they have used the name to sell a disaster movie. I cannot imagine a more powerful connection to an existing IP than it's name, I mean come on, it's Star Trek, what else can it be?
By real fans I mean us, there will be fans of the film that are not Trekkers and there will be Star Trek fans that have watched it since the first TOS was aired as I did on my mother's knee.
I thought the last movie was a good film in it's own right, but it wasn't Star Trek and I doubt this will be too. JJ is using the Star Trek IP to make a disaster movie that is losely based on Star Trek, he changes the story line to suit his own vision and in one fell swoop forced us to adopt a new alternative timeline as the current version of Star Trek. Make no mistake, this was done for $$$ and no other reason. People complain that Cryptic are sucking us dry with dil sinks and Zen sinks and EC sinks, but at least STO is more genuinely Star Trek than JJ.
This film will be good I'm sure but it is not Star Trek for me and I dare say for many others. Just like there were only ever two Alien movies (the rest sucked so bad no real fan would include them) Star Trek movies ended with Nemesis and I am hoping that one day they will continue from that point again.
You know, your talk about 'real' fans isn't helping your argument in my view. I'm still glad you think the JJ movies are good in their own right though.
But that aside, ST2009 is ST, but like I said, it is an alternate version of it. There is no unified ST anymore, with both the old and the new all in one; JJ Trek and Prime Trek are seperate imo, and I understand that. They have the same name and characters, but that is all.
I just can't understand why many others can't see that, or otherwise refuse to.
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As far as I'm concerned, the JJ-verse is just as much Trek as the Mirror Universe. And that's all it is. It does not diminish the last 50 years, it is simply an alternate version. A more violent, aggressive version. But in this universe, Spock didn't grow his beard and Uhura doesn't show off her abs.
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I for one would not feel Gene would approve and if it's not good enough for him it sure as hell aint good enough for me
Now you're just getting silly. Overstating your case doesn't make it a better argument.
As long as Gene got his cut of the royalties, he would approve. You are talking about a guy who wrote LYRICS for the original TOS theme music. Why? So he could get a cut of the composers royalties.
Look, you don't like the fact that the story is no longer one unified, linear time line. Fair enough. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean people who like both aren't "real" fans.
Dial back the hyperbole and labeling a bit, eh? Its hurting whatever valid points you are raising.
By real fans I mean us, there will be fans of the film that are not Trekkers and there will be Star Trek fans that have watched it since the first TOS was aired as I did on my mother's knee.
People - please stop with all of this Khan stuff. I'm getting sick of it. Khan this, Khan that... What's so great in Khan that you want to see him again? An idee fixe if you ask me.
What is so great about Khan? Really? Khan was probably the best villain Kirk ever faced. Space Seed is a great TOS episode and ST2 The Wrath of Khan is thought of as probably the best Star Trek film ever made. Judging by the physical acts of the villain in the trailer and his "I have returned" quote, I'm leaning toward this being Khan. And this being Abrahms ST, who's to say some space freighter didn't awaken Khan in this timeline? I mean Abrahms already killed George Kirk, destroyed Vulcan and brought "our Spock" to his timeline.
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My friend the reason is because, imo, Star Trek is not just a collection of stories, it's not just a collection of space movies, it is an idea, a vision, it is one man's vision of how the future could and should be. A future where war and greed, poverty and disease are all to be found only in history books. It is a vision of humanity in the near future giving us hope that we can weather the technological adolescence of the 20th century and where people aspire to be better than they are.
The reason TNG is so popular and why many of the other series are so revered is because of the interpersonal relationships between the crew. We watch them triumph over their own personal difficulties and at the same time watch them reach out the hand of friendship on their journey through the stars. We see them try to avoid conflict at all costs save their own protection and in defense of the weak. We see alien species working together side by side, not a hint of racial prejudice, to explore and learn and occasionally to defend the ideals of a united federation of like minded peoples from across the Galaxy. This is what Star Trek is to me, it's almost a holy reference guide to what we as a species can achieve both technologically and sociologically. This is Star Trek, this is the name given to this set of ideals and to one man's vision.
It is not about a bunch of egotistical hedonistic superheroes who shag anything that move, and blow up anything that doesn't. It's not about bar fights and one liners whilst people, cities and whole planets are disintegrated for no apparent reason other than it looks cool.
I for one would not feel Gene would approve and if it's not good enough for him it sure as hell aint good enough for me
As previously stated by boglejam73, you seem to be overshooting a little bit there.
That aside, I get that whole vision thing, I really do... but to take it to this kind of extreme that you don't accept any kind of changes (like the existance of JJ's Trek), seems to be going against the very spirit you wish to represent I understood this wouldn't be like the original ST series, and I embraced all the changes... which is more than most ST fans did, claiming to represent ST's vision while at the same time doing the exact opposite of what they're representing: shunning it purely because it was different.
It can't be Gary Mitchell. He didn't want "vengeance" because he was never wronged. Also his eyes looked like silver and he did psychic stuff with his mind that made him impossible to fight.
This must be Khan. So he was probably found much sooner than in Space Seed. Doesn't matter.
I agree, I see no energy projection/redirection or telekenesis like Mitchell would have. I see only enhanced physical attributes(dexterity, strength, leaping). That would match Khan who was genetically "superior".
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I just don't think it could be Khan. I'm more leaning to Gary Mitchell, which I think could be a little more believable. After all Kirk pretty much buried him and left him on Delta Vega. I'd say that leaves a pretty good motive for revenge.
So basically selling out the ST IP to appeal to a new dumbed down audience. Where are the real stories, why does everything have to be about an explosion every two minutes, if I want explosions I'll go watch Mythbusters. JJ should watch some of the TNG shows, Q Who was right up there along with episodes exploring the human condition such as The Inner Light, what it means to be sentient with The Measure Of A Man, these are some of the great stories that catapult Star Trek far beyond Star Wars and films of a similar ilk,
Roddenberry had a vision all right, the fact we are discussing this 50 years after that vision was first put to paper confirms that. It's up to us the real fans to ensure that his vision is not corrupted and violated in the endless search for $$$.
How is he dumbing down the franchise? If I recall, the Star Trek movie franchise crapped the bed with Nemesis so badly that they didn't bother making another TNG or even bother with DS9 movies. Paramount was so disgusted that it almost sold the movie rights. Star Trek needed a shot in the arm. I think Abrahms did fans a favor my making his Star Trek an alternate timeline(ala Fringe) and making is non-trek movie goers would like it, vs corrupting our original beloved timeline and making fanboys wet themselves in anger. My brother-in-law in not an original Star Trek watcher, but he like Abramms movie. And if this keeps the Trek franchise going, I'm good with it.
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Yeah, it's a pretty good twist on the same old zombie apocolypse stuff.
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To be honest, it's not the changes to Trek that bother me. Heck, whilst I don't love the 2009 Trek movie, and there was a lot I didn't like about it, I do find it at least tolerable.
However, whilst we admittedly don't know a whole lot about the upcoming movie, I personally find what we have seen quite discouraging. It may as well be a trailer for a Michael Bay movie. Explosions. Large objects crashing into other large objects. Buildings falling down. Fire. More Fire. Fights. Death. Evil Supervillan sneering. All boring, generic, and unimaginative.
I agree with mattjohnsonva to some degree; the Trek series and, arguably, the movies broke boundaries in many areas and produced some very original and thought-provoking pieces of work. What the hell is original about big explosions and fighting?
Sorry, but I find the whole thing laughable - replace the sneering supervillan with the Joker and Kirk with Batman and this could VERY easily be a trailer for another Batman movie.
The premise is for a movie that doesn't do a single thing that half-a-dozen recent movies haven't already done, and 'dark and gritty' translates to 'overdone cliche' so far as I am concerned. Trek or otherwise, this is simply another popcorn movie for drooling movie-goers who don't want to actually have to THINK about what they're watching.
My only question is... why must EVERY piece of work be original and imaginative?
Now I'm not saying it all has to be the same, but saying it's been done before is no reason to dislike it. Especially before we've even seen the finished film...
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I don't think the 2009 movie was a good Star trek movie, it was a good sci-fi movie.
So i think this one will be a other good sci-fi movie, i just hope it is also a good star trek movie.
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However I was pointing out the fact that many sci-fi movies nowadays seem to take place on Earth (Total Recall remake is the most recent that comes to mind - Transformers too). I guess that if there is any other setting, we can't have a scene where some large object crashes into skyscrapers, resulting in crowds running for their lives and CGI buildings being demolished. For some reason that seems to be popular nowadays...
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Go watch My little Pony :-P Even ST:NG and DS9 had some dark episodes.
It is just a trailer. I will wait until I have seen the entire movie to form an opinion .
ST 2009 was a great action movie garnished with sprinkles of StarTrek. Like TOS .
Where Kirk shoot first, gets demolished and THEN opens frequencies to state that he wants peace :P
All telekinetics are martial artists.
If there's no TV tropes page for that, there should be.
It's definitely an emerging trend, that reality twisters and telekinetic people use their powers viscerally to do a mix of martial arts and Superman-type stuff.
If they adapted "Who Mourns for Adonais" into as movie, Apollo would know kung fu and use escrima sticks.
If you want to show a god in a movie, I think you pretty much have to depict them as Neo from the Matrix or audiences won't buy it.
And I think Dehner and Mitchell are back.
Anyway, you still have the old Trek to enjoy, and it's completely untainted. There's nothing to violate or corrupt when the two versions are unrelated in all but name
And real fans? Suddenly there's 'real' fans and other fans? That's much like you might tell a black man he isn't human... best not to go there, in either case.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
And ST 2009 was not funny?
Bones was funny as hell.
And the scence where young Kirk trashed the oldtimer was hillarious
Or when Uhura found Kirk with the Orion girl?
And when Kirk saw Uhurua kissing with Spock?
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I was thinking Nurse Chapel (We know she exists in this Enterprise) but Dehner makes alot more sense. And her hair matches.
While this movie may not embody what Trek was at it's core, it looks like it's gonna be great fun to watch. I'm excited.
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The good part is ... if JJ needs to "destroy" 1-2 Planets, every movie ... its gonna end soon :P
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But that aside, ST2009 is ST, but like I said, it is an alternate version of it. There is no unified ST anymore, with both the old and the new all in one; JJ Trek and Prime Trek are seperate imo, and I understand that. They have the same name and characters, but that is all.
I just can't understand why many others can't see that, or otherwise refuse to.
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Now you're just getting silly. Overstating your case doesn't make it a better argument.
As long as Gene got his cut of the royalties, he would approve. You are talking about a guy who wrote LYRICS for the original TOS theme music. Why? So he could get a cut of the composers royalties.
Look, you don't like the fact that the story is no longer one unified, linear time line. Fair enough. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean people who like both aren't "real" fans.
Dial back the hyperbole and labeling a bit, eh? Its hurting whatever valid points you are raising.
I say we drive the blasphemers from our ranks!
(JJ admits that he never liked trek and was more of a SW fan in a interview).
What is so great about Khan? Really? Khan was probably the best villain Kirk ever faced. Space Seed is a great TOS episode and ST2 The Wrath of Khan is thought of as probably the best Star Trek film ever made. Judging by the physical acts of the villain in the trailer and his "I have returned" quote, I'm leaning toward this being Khan. And this being Abrahms ST, who's to say some space freighter didn't awaken Khan in this timeline? I mean Abrahms already killed George Kirk, destroyed Vulcan and brought "our Spock" to his timeline.
That aside, I get that whole vision thing, I really do... but to take it to this kind of extreme that you don't accept any kind of changes (like the existance of JJ's Trek), seems to be going against the very spirit you wish to represent
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I agree, I see no energy projection/redirection or telekenesis like Mitchell would have. I see only enhanced physical attributes(dexterity, strength, leaping). That would match Khan who was genetically "superior".
How is he dumbing down the franchise? If I recall, the Star Trek movie franchise crapped the bed with Nemesis so badly that they didn't bother making another TNG or even bother with DS9 movies. Paramount was so disgusted that it almost sold the movie rights. Star Trek needed a shot in the arm. I think Abrahms did fans a favor my making his Star Trek an alternate timeline(ala Fringe) and making is non-trek movie goers would like it, vs corrupting our original beloved timeline and making fanboys wet themselves in anger. My brother-in-law in not an original Star Trek watcher, but he like Abramms movie. And if this keeps the Trek franchise going, I'm good with it.
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Yeah, it's a pretty good twist on the same old zombie apocolypse stuff.
Now I'm not saying it all has to be the same, but saying it's been done before is no reason to dislike it. Especially before we've even seen the finished film...
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So i think this one will be a other good sci-fi movie, i just hope it is also a good star trek movie.