I'd like to ask you a hypothetical question. You are fighting someone with this "cheese". You lose. Now. Are you still better than the player who beat you with the cheese? Or is the player that beat you with the cheese better than you because he played in such a way in which your best moves could not power past it? Is it neither? All this talk is subjective. TSI may of beat QEW two tournaments ago. QEW may of beat TSI last tournament held. Who is better? Neither. Both are extremely skilled and well seasoned fleets. Their tactics as a whole are different. Their philosophy on team tactics, team setup and team execution are polar opposites. But they both excel, adapt, and perform among the best known fleets in their own individual ways.
My point is just because a player has a console on his ship and uses it or a group of players do. It does not define their specific level of skills or their morals. In order to discover the morals behind those consoles you wouldn't look at the players using them. You would look at the developers who allowed them to be patched into the game.
A better player? I lost and thats it. I could have done better, i will improve, i will adapt. Will i use the cheese? Maybe i will, maybe i will not.
As for the morale analogy, i still think it is like that. I would deem grav pulse to be cheese, others would not. I would deem subpsace jump to be perfectly oki, some others would not. So who is more "correct"? Maybe each team as you say have their setups and compositions, but just like consoles it could be considered cheese, as we know that tric mines with DPB is not p2w but still highly... annoying.
But yes, in the end its all Cryptics short sighted implentations which is to fault.
Co-founder of The Spanish Inquisition TSI - Cause no one expects it!
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
Dropping the phrase "Pay2Win" would help a lot. It doesn't really describe the phenomenon that people mean when they say it any more. (STO is heavily monetized, but many of the worst culprits are "free" and many expensive items are middling clunkers... Gal-X anyone)
I kind of agree here. It really comes down to cheesy builds in the end. I don't believe vent theta is any more cheesy than tric dpb's are and ones a console and ones an ability. It all comes down to game balance. No one is complaining about people using the oberths lame console because its not out of balance with the game. If the bug was a dilithium bought ship, it would still be the most powerful escort in the game and therefore be slightly OP (or extremely Op in some ppls opinion). It's balance that we crave, and its balance that cryptic starves us of. It's been said many times that this is a pve game with pvp just kind of thrown on top. It's a simple conclusion that has repeatably explained the history of pvp in this game, and while there are many more dynamic explanations as to why pvp sucks so hard right now in this game, it's usually the simplest explanation that cuts to the core of the problem IMO.
When I first joined 7th Core I was fortunate enough to play with who could arguably have been the Twins of Aytanhi, Mew, Mai Kai, Faithborn, and Era. We had Eric Carter, Kek, Nick, Austin, and Ellie. There was also Alex, Skye, Max, Chakot'e and couple others. It was unfortunate that just as I was learning to start to make any kind of real progress with my builds our best captains at the time decided to leave the game behind. TSI has been fortunate to have the same group of awesome players I missed out on the oppurtunity to play with when Faithborn asked me if I wanted to join the 182nd.
Darksamus and I decided after being the only most active captains left in the fleet that we would do what we could to keep 7th Core going. And we've struggled ever since. Me especially since STO is not only my first MMO but my first Star Trek game. But to finally answer your question yes. 7th Core is now Nova Core. And unless that original team of awesome players decided to come back and not join us. I'm hoping to recreate whatever magic that original 7th Core team had with the new name.:D
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
But in light of my last mess I will still be diplomatic and try to work out some deal with the rest of the community, so everyones wishes and concerns are brought to the table. Which console can we in consensus agree upon is a tad OP, and which is not. After we can try to enforce them socially and as respectful human beings as good as we can.
Yes, my 2 cents on the issue.
your last mess? you mean a fourm post about lame TRIBBLE"? i seen nothing wrong with it but some 1 that was frustrated. noting wrong in it. its the whole reason people try to band together and not abuse the lame TRIBBLE ingame. so that way everyone can have fun and win/lose to a game of player skill. people were mad at tsi for using broken stuff like faw,ss csv3 ect. only thing that made it worse for you guys using it was because broken/op stuff in the hands of really good players makes it that much worse.
when very bad players use broken stuff in ques for that op edge causes greif and no fun in ques. we see this at this moment with FvK. just trying to get a pop for pvp on kink side takes ages. do you know why? leach,gp,aa. now its even worse, leach,gp,aa,ams. and with sob and nova core being the no skilled players they can be, lol stomp pugs and roll team that try as hard as they can while playing clean. trip can come here with a little hissy fit all he wants and make it about himself. sorry im not going to fall for that whine TRIBBLE of his. atm sob and nova core is a huge reason for people that tryed pvp for the first time and never look back. you guys can make all the cop outs you want and say cryptic put it in game dont fault us. its a cop out. if you suck this bad that you need to resort to console then blame yourself. better yet blame yourself for the console on your ship. its not cryptic fault, you made your own choice.
and trip, still waiting for you to pm me for that 1v1. ill even extend an invite to my ts. ill never step foot into yours, not after the way my guys were treated in your house. and remember even in your ts i gave full respect in your house. out side of it all bets are off. your fleet is trash. sob abuses consoles but guess what??? they actually have skilled players in there.
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
I assure you Broken, NONE of my characters needs a console to rip your best ship in half.
lol ok bring it tiny dancer. you and all of nova suck chefs chocolate salty balls. Without your spam, you worst than a pve'er lol
I have yet to see a nova guy not use p2w or spam. Even still I shred your ships made of glass. Thats coming from me Polie, and I am not nearly the player as Broken, Rand, and Yoda. If you want to puff up your chest and measure your epeen thats fine, but be ready to get knocked off your high horse. Hell I am tempted to setup a pvp match with Risa running shuttles just to smoke you. (again) lol
Whats the point of this thread again?
Somebody gave you a lot of horrible toys. Most people agree on that some of those toys are over the top and kill peoples fun in the game when used. Everybody knows that, whether he agrees or not.
If you decide to use those toys whatsoever, deal with the response you get and the reputation you build up. Don't come here crying about people talking bad about you and your buddies. You know it kills peoples fun but you still you use it. You're a b?tch. You get called names. Suck it up or play clean.
Don't make craptic responsible for it. We all know they sh?t on pvp. Most people manage to not use the stuff. Why can't you? And it's totally not about drawing a certain line. If it were so hard to define that line, it wouldn't be the same fleets getting called out by everyone.
Sorry about that Vipermist. I couldn't remember your name. I remember you from when I popped over there though. You guys helped me alot. Your style was different than TSI's but I saw exactly what you were doing. I feel both camps have valid approaches to pvp and in fact are applicable depending on who is playing on the team. Good to hear from you bud!:D
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
Whats the point of this thread again?
Somebody gave you a lot of horrible toys. Most people agree on that some of those toys are over the top and kill peoples fun in the game when used. Everybody knows that, whether he agrees or not.
If you decide to use those toys whatsoever, deal with the response you get and the reputation you build up. Don't come here crying about people talking bad about you and your buddies. You know it kills peoples fun but you still you use it. You're a b?tch. You get called names. Suck it up or play clean.
Don't make craptic responsible for it. We all know they sh?t on pvp. Most people manage to not use the stuff. Why can't you? And it's totally not about drawing a certain line. If it were so hard to define that line, it wouldn't be the same fleets getting called out by everyone.
It's interesting. There always has to be someone who wants to attack here on the forums. It's actually kind of entertaining seeing as I'm not attacking anyone except Broken for deliberately doing it and dragging it out for a very excessive period of time now. You make it sound like Nova Core has single handedly ruined pvp. Please. You want to slam TRIBBLE.? You want to slam Nova Core? I'm here saying we are putting our best foot forward and here you are wallowing in whats happened in the past. You want to bring up TSI too maybe? How about we go back to them for using what was broken 3 seasons ago.
Its obvious you think you are special. You must be the only person in game who didn't use Faw, or viral subnucleonic beam, or brace for impact doffs. Your animosity is directed to me. I don't spam consoles. I don't have trics. And the players who actually know me know my words to be true. But I don't have to prove anything to you. If you could read you would know what the point of this thread was. I will continue to answer questions in this thread and become more active on these forums again. And I will post productive responses while at the same time continuing to deflect unproductive replies like the one you've happily submitted here.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
lol ok bring it tiny dancer. you and all of nova suck chefs chocolate salty balls. Without your spam, you worst than a pve'er lol
I have yet to see a nova guy not use p2w or spam. Even still I shred your ships made of glass. Thats coming from me Polie, and I am not nearly the player as Broken, Rand, and Yoda. If you want to puff up your chest and measure your epeen thats fine, but be ready to get knocked off your high horse. Hell I am tempted to setup a pvp match with Risa running shuttles just to smoke you. (again) lol
/out and back to Eve
Fantastic. It is obvious you have some animosity toward my fleet. I'm not sure why your animosity though is directed at me. It's obvious you don't know me. Whatever you didn't like about my fleet before has nothing to do with the publicly stated efforts by me now to change the light with which my fleet is looked upon. My business with Broken is not your concern. I've been threatened and ridiculed by him personally and for that the business I have with him is personal and my own. As far as your challenge goes its accepted. I'll happily suck chef's chocolate salty balls with whipped cream on top if you can beat a 5 man Nova Core team in shuttles. I look forward to meeting Risa Squadron in the queues.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
Fantastic. It is obvious you have some animosity toward my fleet. I'm not sure why your animosity though is directed at me. It's obvious you don't know me. Whatever you didn't like about my fleet before has nothing to do with the publicly stated efforts by me now to change the light with which my fleet is looked upon. My business with Broken is not your concern. I've been threatened and ridiculed by him personally and for that the business I have with him is personal and my own. As far as your challenge goes its accepted. I'll happily suck chef's chocolate salty balls with whipped cream on top if you can beat a 5 man Nova Core team in shuttles. I look forward to meeting Risa Squadron in the queues.
lol really i have? i never even metion you till you called me out on fourms yet you refuse to back it up. you also choise not even even touch the subject how my fleet was treated in your house. but yeah risa did have 3 shuttles and 2 decated heals and we lol won a match against a full nova core premade
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
Fantastic. It is obvious you have some animosity toward my fleet. I'm not sure why your animosity though is directed at me. It's obvious you don't know me. Whatever you didn't like about my fleet before has nothing to do with the publicly stated efforts by me now to change the light with which my fleet is looked upon. My business with Broken is not your concern. I've been threatened and ridiculed by him personally and for that the business I have with him is personal and my own. As far as your challenge goes its accepted. I'll happily suck chef's chocolate salty balls with whipped cream on top if you can beat a 5 man Nova Core team in shuttles. I look forward to meeting Risa Squadron in the queues.
Its been done before. We have taken nova several times in the past w/o being sire spamsalot. And your bad attributed is of my concern since he is my fleet mate. An attack on one if an attack on all.
I just think its hilarious how you all think your some sort of bad TRIBBLE and you can't even beat us with your spam. Sure it's a PIA, but pure and absolute skill out beats pure noob p2w garbage.
Hell last time I beat down Nova I turned on my auto macro's and just used the mouse to pilot. Not timing anything and just auto firing everything, and yes yall still went down like Broken on a knish. nom nom nom
Why so much bad ju-ju? I've been watching this thread unfold and its (no offence intended) but it seems like an Ego contest.
To Quote Horizon when he flamed at me sometime ago when I posted about pre-made teams
"you're not the kirksauce"
I'm most definately not this kirksauce, I don't want to be either, PvP is all well and good when there is a good competitive atmosphere, but being all un-sporting and being all flame and blame isn't getting anyone anywhere but a trip to sulk land.
I'm aware of almost every fleet mentioned, I have respect for alot of you and your fleets, although I wouldn't expect any of you to actually be aware of me, I don't exactly PvP to often anymore or even telegraph that I'm a PvP'er although I really enjoy it.
Also I like to generally just 1v1 these days, I have a good build for that, I don't stick to specific builds.
I wouldn't say that I'd win against some of the more experienced PvP'ers but I would do my best and still have the sportsmanship to actually not give two hoots about a complete roll over anymore, its going to happen.
I've also learned that it doesn't really matter what we really think about spam or pay to win consoles, the players in the minority of not being active in the forums, or not in a fleet that has any players aware of pay 2 win consoles being an issue for PvP'ers.
my issue is no matter what we do we're still going to get new players who are going to use them, the repuation system has single handedly given the player who was here before season 7, the advantage of better equipment, we should atleast take that into consideration when we start seeing the new players who start to PvP using less than effective equipment, and having pay to win consoles, that for the most part is the only advantage they have... would we like to be stripped of our advantages? probably not.
I'm in the minority but I do see players who clearly abuse the system because of Pay To Win consoles, those who like to logout just before death for instance, then complain "I couldn't move all that pay to win spam I aint dying from that TRIBBLE"
I fight fair, I do not use pay to win consoles, I don't put money toward getting them, I don't open boxes. the only thing I have that is considered "pay to win" is the Red Matter Capacitor and I got that from my Collectors Edition
Why so much bad ju-ju? I've been watching this thread unfold and its (no offence intended) but it seems like an Ego contest.
To Quote Horizon when he flamed at me sometime ago when I posted about pre-made teams
"you're not the kirksauce"
I'm most definately not this kirksauce, I don't want to be either, PvP is all well and good when there is a good competitive atmosphere, but being all un-sporting and being all flame and blame isn't getting anyone anywhere but a trip to sulk land.
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I've also learned that it doesn't really matter what we really think about spam or pay to win consoles, the players in the minority of not being active in the forums, or not in a fleet that has any players aware of pay 2 win consoles being an issue for PvP'ers.
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my issue is no matter what we do we're still going to get new players who are going to use them, the repuation system has single handedly given the player who was here before season 7, the advantage of better equipment, we should atleast take that into consideration when we start seeing the new players who start to PvP using less than effective equipment, and having pay to win consoles, that for the most part is the only advantage they have... would we like to be stripped of our advantages? probably not.
Less silverback-style thumping of chests, more of this.
Awareness of multiple perspectives, some tolerance for people less in the loop and a friendly attitude towards people using things you think are diabolical would probably make PvP a more welcoming experience for new players. Once they decide to stay and repeatedly hear reasonable arguments not to use such-and-such skill/console/tactic they might very well refrain from using these. Yelling and flaming at new, unaware players, on the other hand, may well make their forays into PvP very brief ones indeed.
my issue is no matter what we do we're still going to get new players who are going to use them, the repuation system has single handedly given the player who was here before season 7, the advantage of better equipment, we should atleast take that into consideration when we start seeing the new players who start to PvP using less than effective equipment, and having pay to win consoles, that for the most part is the only advantage they have... would we like to be stripped of our advantages? probably not.
I'm in the minority but I do see players who clearly abuse the system because of Pay To Win consoles, those who like to logout just before death for instance, then complain "I couldn't move all that pay to win spam I aint dying from that TRIBBLE"
RachelJ88
pre-season 7 characters do have a minor disadvantage, but the fleet shields and regular MK XII VR deflectors/engines can be effective and viable in PVP. I will say, on my after-s7 sci I do miss the 2x borg. The hull proc is great. However, the borg deflector doesn't fit my needs so I probably wouldn't use the borg stuff anyway. Although a MK XII MACO would be great!
I've been noticing a lot of the same tactics in PVP premades lately. Point and case, while I find some of the tactics in poor taste, some I would refuse to use in a team, some I will and that is adapting. Be that as it may, if I don't have anything nice to say, I don't say nothing! I also try and extend that philosophy to my teammates.
It would be nice if PWE/Crypic would fix the issue with mines. IE, if one critz they all crit. I also have a suspicion that the same may be true for cannon swings. Need to start doing some logs/tests though. I noticed a 17k cannon critz last night, followed by a couple more instantly killing a enemy. Granted it a decloak alpha, but that followed by at least 1 other crit >10k seems a bit hax.
lol really i have? i never even metion you till you called me out on fourms yet you refuse to back it up. you also choise not even even touch the subject how my fleet was treated in your house. but yeah risa did have 3 shuttles and 2 decated heals and we lol won a match against a full nova core premade
You keep bringing up how your fleet was treated in my house. I have been good friends with Balla and Tosk for a long time. Since before I even knew who you were. I respect Risa Squadron and have always respected them. But you are disrespectful. Whatever happened with you in "my house" I was not there. So why don't you tell me what happened. Who is it exactly in my house that treated you so wrong? As for me you have talked **** about me the same as Talon Jones. It's funny because I've never given Talon Jones any reason to **** talk me personally. But not only has he but he continues to **** talk my fleet. Of course the only thing he succeeds at is wins by Logout. So maybe I shouldn't be suprised.
You've also made it personal with your ridiculous youtube video. "Is a Tuffli Freighter better than Nova Core". And you question why I call you out? Why don't you link the video here so people can see. I say I can kill you because I have. And I didn't have help. Other times I did. That's how pvp works. It's fact. Not chest thumping. I am publicly stating my capability against you while at the same time acknowledging your skill as my opponent. Which is showing you far more respect than you care to show me or anyone else you don't agree with. What have you contributed to this forum post except malicious response after response. You aren't constructive about anything on this forum or in the organizedpvp channel. I'll be happy to address the issue if something serious happened to you or your players while in our teamspeak. But you need to understand whatever happened did not happen by me to you or your fleet. I wasn't in game at the time and have no clue to what you are talking about.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
Its been done before. We have taken nova several times in the past w/o being sire spamsalot. And your bad attributed is of my concern since he is my fleet mate. An attack on one if an attack on all.
I just think its hilarious how you all think your some sort of bad TRIBBLE and you can't even beat us with your spam. Sure it's a PIA, but pure and absolute skill out beats pure noob p2w garbage.
Hell last time I beat down Nova I turned on my auto macro's and just used the mouse to pilot. Not timing anything and just auto firing everything, and yes yall still went down like Broken on a knish. nom nom nom
I have no issue with you. I'd defend my fleetmate from being attacked as well if I was in your position. It's too bad that you cannot see that your fleetmate has decided to flat out insult and **** talk me in the past when there was nothing I have done to warrant it. I've never had a problem with Broken in the past despite his complaining about being blown up when I have been on the other side of a match. And for that reason I will not respond to anymore of your posts unless they concern the main topic I presented in the original thread. I'll end by saying the way you are defending your fleetmate isn't the best way to go about it. You are welcome to pop onto our teamspeak and speak with me personally. I'd be happy to explain my side of the story in an intelligent and mature manner.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
pre-season 7 characters do have a minor disadvantage.
I'm not saying we have disadvantage of the outcome of the equipment, more so the attaining of the equipment, new players will have to plow through leveling... hit Rear Admiral Upper and then start earning Marks to start the Rep system, where as before the reputation system you could, do a day of normal STF's and have enough EDC's for an Assimilated ship set.
The cost of attaining what we we're so easily able to get pre-season 7 is scandalous.
The newer players which I'm refering will be disadvantaged till they acquire the items, giving them incentive to use the consoles they so purchased to stay competitive.
These are my own views, not those necessarily of Every Single person associated with NC or the IA battlegroup.
1) I would tend to agree with trip on all accounts, unfortunately haters will be haters and life is too short to police an 'unpolice-able' aspect of a game.
2) I saw the hostility first begin when NC became more visible in the sto forums by way of numerous members using fleet sigs I made, something which I regret because Im pretty sure most of the aggressors didnt even give me two thoughts before then.
I myself, when pugging, have been called almost any name in the book to the point I just turn off zone chat. My two mains are a tac/tac in a defiant that flies bop style for hit/pop/runs and an engi healboat. Here's the thing tho, no p2w on my ships, no auto-macros, and I still do relatively well. Most people will tell you, I'm one of the most easy-going unassuming people of the bunch.
There are names (fleet leaders even) in this thread that state they 'took the high road'. My experience, when on my alt in a pug team of friends on alts (maybe 3 or so on TS/VENT), is that when our group starts to win against a premade (take your pick which), their p2w comes out. I'm not the type to call you names or jump on a bandwagon and disrespect your fleet name, but don't think yourself my better because you rate your personal character via a game. The difference is you choose to do things when you think no one is looking.
3) There are premades, and there are 'premades' composed of pugs not on TS/VENT from the same fleet. I find the latter to be more my cup of tea.
That said, I haven't pvp'ed all that much in a long while, I slap myself silly to say that Im actually enjoy pveing the romulan stuff more than pvp.
4) People that love to, will smear Nova Core's name whatever chance they get. An actual example? I've been using a clean build a *player* was kind enough to teach me for my tac/tac as it was my first tac. Members from his fleet would send me private tells on how terrible it actually was and that I shouldn't use such horrible tactics setup. I told them where I got the setup from, subsequently they shut their traps because of who this veteran actually was and what role of importance he played in their fleet.
Conclusion
This isn't something to detract from the thread, moreseo to support a live and let live attitude of pvp, while being a decent and respectful person/pvper.
People can accuse, dictate, and lord over others all they want. Holier than thou attitudes and big **** contests be damned.
At the end of the day, You won't see me spending my time playing the Mean Girls game.
If I logon, then I'll just logon to chat and play with my friends, whether they be in my fleet or in others. I hope to make more when I get the chance to use what little free time I have. @LEONHART mail me if you want to hang
I've never seen the movie, but I've seen it referenced enough elsewhere. It's kind of funny (and sad), but if one steps back a moment and looks at some of what's going on...lol.
These are my own views, not those necessarily of Every Single person associated with NC or the IA battlegroup.
1) I would tend to agree with trip on all accounts, unfortunately haters will be haters and life is too short to police and 'unpolice-able' aspect of a game.
2) I saw the hostility first begin when NC became more visible in the sto forums by way of numerous members using fleet sigs I made, something which I regret because Im pretty sure most of the aggressors didnt even give me two thoughts before then.
I myself, when pugging, have been called almost any name in the book to the point I just turn off zone chat. My two mains are a tac/tac in a defiant that flies bop style for hit/pop/runs and an engi healboat. Here's the thing tho, no p2w on my ships, no auto-macros, and I still do relatively well. Most people will tell you, I'm one of the most easy-going unassuming people of the bunch.
There are names (fleet leaders even) in this thread that state they 'took the high road'. My experience, when on my alt in a pug team of friends on alts (maybe 3 or so on TS/VENT), is that when our group starts to win against a premade (take your pick which), their p2w comes out. I'm not the type to call you names or jump on a bandwagon and disrespect your fleet name, but don't think yourself my better because you rate your personal character via a game. The difference is you choose to do things when you think no one is looking.
3) There are premades, and there are 'premades' composed of pugs not on TS/VENT from the same fleet. I find the latter to be more my cup of tea.
That said, I haven't pvp'ed all that much in a long while, I slap myself silly to say that Im actually enjoy pveing the romulan stuff more than pvp.
4) People that love to, will smear Nova Core's name whatever chance they get. An actual example? I've been using a build a clean *player* was kind enough to teach me for my tac/tac. Members from his fleet would send me private tells on how terrible it actually was and that I shouldn't use such horrible tactics setup. I told them where I got the setup from, subsequently they shut their traps because of who this veteran actually was and what role of importance he played in their fleet.
Conclusion
People can accuse, dictate, and lord over others all they want. Holier than thou attitudes and big **** contests be damned.
At the end of the day, You won't see me spending my time playing the Mean Girls game.
If I logon, then I'll just logon to chat and play with my friends, whether they be in my fleet or in others.
*10pts* Well put!
If I logon, then I'll just logon to chat and play with my friends, whether they be in my fleet or in others. <-- Thats all I do at the moment too.
These are my own views, not those necessarily of Every Single person associated with NC or the IA battlegroup.
1) I would tend to agree with trip on all accounts, unfortunately haters will be haters and life is too short to police an 'unpolice-able' aspect of a game.
2) I saw the hostility first begin when NC became more visible in the sto forums by way of numerous members using fleet sigs I made, something which I regret because Im pretty sure most of the aggressors didnt even give me two thoughts before then.
I myself, when pugging, have been called almost any name in the book to the point I just turn off zone chat. My two mains are a tac/tac in a defiant that flies bop style for hit/pop/runs and an engi healboat. Here's the thing tho, no p2w on my ships, no auto-macros, and I still do relatively well. Most people will tell you, I'm one of the most easy-going unassuming people of the bunch.
There are names (fleet leaders even) in this thread that state they 'took the high road'. My experience, when on my alt in a pug team of friends on alts (maybe 3 or so on TS/VENT), is that when our group starts to win against a premade (take your pick which), their p2w comes out. I'm not the type to call you names or jump on a bandwagon and disrespect your fleet name, but don't think yourself my better because you rate your personal character via a game. The difference is you choose to do things when you think no one is looking.
3) There are premades, and there are 'premades' composed of pugs not on TS/VENT from the same fleet. I find the latter to be more my cup of tea.
That said, I haven't pvp'ed all that much in a long while, I slap myself silly to say that Im actually enjoy pveing the romulan stuff more than pvp.
4) People that love to, will smear Nova Core's name whatever chance they get. An actual example? I've been using a clean build a *player* was kind enough to teach me for my tac/tac as it was my first tac. Members from his fleet would send me private tells on how terrible it actually was and that I shouldn't use such horrible tactics setup. I told them where I got the setup from, subsequently they shut their traps because of who this veteran actually was and what role of importance he played in their fleet.
Conclusion
This isn't something to detract from the thread, moreseo to support a live and let live attitude of pvp, while being a decent and respectful person/pvper.
People can accuse, dictate, and lord over others all they want. Holier than thou attitudes and big **** contests be damned.
At the end of the day, You won't see me spending my time playing the Mean Girls game.
If I logon, then I'll just logon to chat and play with my friends, whether they be in my fleet or in others. I hope to make more when I get the chance to use what little free time I have. @LEONHART mail me if you want to hang
You're watchin mah thread Tal? omg! haha. Btw I LOVE your how to make a Tal video. I'd like to put it on the front page of the website. Next time you're in teamspeak talk to me. I'd like to set it up for sometime next week. Also we need a picture of your character for the gallery. It's just not quite right without a Tal there.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
@virus You should watch it, it's pretty much lindsay lohan before the fall. time to predict the weather :P @snog reminds me of a thought I once had, "PVP Tournament: Tuffi Freighters only" I would LOVE to see that @tripwire aye aye capn, I'll be on vaca for about a week but will try when I get back. @rachel ty, we needs to hang out at some point then
Ditto, tournies for the goal of laughter instead of bragging rights would be an enjoyable change of pace (and I'm not saying mine/torp setups then everyone just dies lol)
PVP Tourny = Corporate Wars: Fight of the Freighters
It's interesting. There always has to be someone who wants to attack here on the forums. It's actually kind of entertaining seeing as I'm not attacking anyone except Broken for deliberately doing it and dragging it out for a very excessive period of time now. You make it sound like Nova Core has single handedly ruined pvp. Please. You want to slam TRIBBLE.? You want to slam Nova Core? I'm here saying we are putting our best foot forward and here you are wallowing in whats happened in the past. You want to bring up TSI too maybe? How about we go back to them for using what was broken 3 seasons ago.
Its obvious you think you are special. You must be the only person in game who didn't use Faw, or viral subnucleonic beam, or brace for impact doffs. Your animosity is directed to me. I don't spam consoles. I don't have trics. And the players who actually know me know my words to be true. But I don't have to prove anything to you. If you could read you would know what the point of this thread was. I will continue to answer questions in this thread and become more active on these forums again. And I will post productive responses while at the same time continuing to deflect unproductive replies like the one you've happily submitted here.
I have absolutely no idea where you got all that from. Where did I even talk about the past or YOU?
I never said you destroyed anything. I'm saying, if you want to use all that sh?t, don't cry about the rude words or behaviour people treat you with. I'm not exclusively adressing you or your fleet but everyone who thinks it's okay to bring whatever the game offers.
So don't come in here and say: "We will not put restrictions on our guild members. They can use whatever they want but please treat them well and offer them candy."
That sh?t doesn't work. Nobody will be nice to you when you knowingly take the fun out of the Arena for everybody else.
(I haven't really played the game since F2P but I even refused to play with my guild, if they wanted to bring Scramble when it was broken and yes I only used Faw with 25 Weapon Energy setting to clear mine spam. I've never played dirty. I didn't even support my PUGs, if they were abusing any broken mechanic. Maybe that makes me special but I only did it because winning with all that TRIBBLE doesn't mean anything to me. If you feel fine by using it, so be it but don't complain.)
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A better player? I lost and thats it. I could have done better, i will improve, i will adapt. Will i use the cheese? Maybe i will, maybe i will not.
As for the morale analogy, i still think it is like that. I would deem grav pulse to be cheese, others would not. I would deem subpsace jump to be perfectly oki, some others would not. So who is more "correct"? Maybe each team as you say have their setups and compositions, but just like consoles it could be considered cheese, as we know that tric mines with DPB is not p2w but still highly... annoying.
But yes, in the end its all Cryptics short sighted implentations which is to fault.
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
I kind of agree here. It really comes down to cheesy builds in the end. I don't believe vent theta is any more cheesy than tric dpb's are and ones a console and ones an ability. It all comes down to game balance. No one is complaining about people using the oberths lame console because its not out of balance with the game. If the bug was a dilithium bought ship, it would still be the most powerful escort in the game and therefore be slightly OP (or extremely Op in some ppls opinion). It's balance that we crave, and its balance that cryptic starves us of. It's been said many times that this is a pve game with pvp just kind of thrown on top. It's a simple conclusion that has repeatably explained the history of pvp in this game, and while there are many more dynamic explanations as to why pvp sucks so hard right now in this game, it's usually the simplest explanation that cuts to the core of the problem IMO.
LeMay
Former TSI/182nd member
When I first joined 7th Core I was fortunate enough to play with who could arguably have been the Twins of Aytanhi, Mew, Mai Kai, Faithborn, and Era. We had Eric Carter, Kek, Nick, Austin, and Ellie. There was also Alex, Skye, Max, Chakot'e and couple others. It was unfortunate that just as I was learning to start to make any kind of real progress with my builds our best captains at the time decided to leave the game behind. TSI has been fortunate to have the same group of awesome players I missed out on the oppurtunity to play with when Faithborn asked me if I wanted to join the 182nd.
Darksamus and I decided after being the only most active captains left in the fleet that we would do what we could to keep 7th Core going. And we've struggled ever since. Me especially since STO is not only my first MMO but my first Star Trek game. But to finally answer your question yes. 7th Core is now Nova Core. And unless that original team of awesome players decided to come back and not join us. I'm hoping to recreate whatever magic that original 7th Core team had with the new name.:D
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
your last mess? you mean a fourm post about lame TRIBBLE"? i seen nothing wrong with it but some 1 that was frustrated. noting wrong in it. its the whole reason people try to band together and not abuse the lame TRIBBLE ingame. so that way everyone can have fun and win/lose to a game of player skill. people were mad at tsi for using broken stuff like faw,ss csv3 ect. only thing that made it worse for you guys using it was because broken/op stuff in the hands of really good players makes it that much worse.
when very bad players use broken stuff in ques for that op edge causes greif and no fun in ques. we see this at this moment with FvK. just trying to get a pop for pvp on kink side takes ages. do you know why? leach,gp,aa. now its even worse, leach,gp,aa,ams. and with sob and nova core being the no skilled players they can be, lol stomp pugs and roll team that try as hard as they can while playing clean. trip can come here with a little hissy fit all he wants and make it about himself. sorry im not going to fall for that whine TRIBBLE of his. atm sob and nova core is a huge reason for people that tryed pvp for the first time and never look back. you guys can make all the cop outs you want and say cryptic put it in game dont fault us. its a cop out. if you suck this bad that you need to resort to console then blame yourself. better yet blame yourself for the console on your ship. its not cryptic fault, you made your own choice.
and trip, still waiting for you to pm me for that 1v1. ill even extend an invite to my ts. ill never step foot into yours, not after the way my guys were treated in your house. and remember even in your ts i gave full respect in your house. out side of it all bets are off. your fleet is trash. sob abuses consoles but guess what??? they actually have skilled players in there.
lol jorf
he was never in QEW
no but my man muz was. and hes still a good pvp'er
lol ok bring it tiny dancer. you and all of nova suck chefs chocolate salty balls. Without your spam, you worst than a pve'er lol
I have yet to see a nova guy not use p2w or spam. Even still I shred your ships made of glass. Thats coming from me Polie, and I am not nearly the player as Broken, Rand, and Yoda. If you want to puff up your chest and measure your epeen thats fine, but be ready to get knocked off your high horse. Hell I am tempted to setup a pvp match with Risa running shuttles just to smoke you. (again) lol
/out and back to Eve
Somebody gave you a lot of horrible toys. Most people agree on that some of those toys are over the top and kill peoples fun in the game when used. Everybody knows that, whether he agrees or not.
If you decide to use those toys whatsoever, deal with the response you get and the reputation you build up. Don't come here crying about people talking bad about you and your buddies. You know it kills peoples fun but you still you use it. You're a b?tch. You get called names. Suck it up or play clean.
Don't make craptic responsible for it. We all know they sh?t on pvp. Most people manage to not use the stuff. Why can't you? And it's totally not about drawing a certain line. If it were so hard to define that line, it wouldn't be the same fleets getting called out by everyone.
Sorry about that Vipermist. I couldn't remember your name. I remember you from when I popped over there though. You guys helped me alot. Your style was different than TSI's but I saw exactly what you were doing. I feel both camps have valid approaches to pvp and in fact are applicable depending on who is playing on the team. Good to hear from you bud!:D
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
It's interesting. There always has to be someone who wants to attack here on the forums. It's actually kind of entertaining seeing as I'm not attacking anyone except Broken for deliberately doing it and dragging it out for a very excessive period of time now. You make it sound like Nova Core has single handedly ruined pvp. Please. You want to slam TRIBBLE.? You want to slam Nova Core? I'm here saying we are putting our best foot forward and here you are wallowing in whats happened in the past. You want to bring up TSI too maybe? How about we go back to them for using what was broken 3 seasons ago.
Its obvious you think you are special. You must be the only person in game who didn't use Faw, or viral subnucleonic beam, or brace for impact doffs. Your animosity is directed to me. I don't spam consoles. I don't have trics. And the players who actually know me know my words to be true. But I don't have to prove anything to you. If you could read you would know what the point of this thread was. I will continue to answer questions in this thread and become more active on these forums again. And I will post productive responses while at the same time continuing to deflect unproductive replies like the one you've happily submitted here.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
Fantastic. It is obvious you have some animosity toward my fleet. I'm not sure why your animosity though is directed at me. It's obvious you don't know me. Whatever you didn't like about my fleet before has nothing to do with the publicly stated efforts by me now to change the light with which my fleet is looked upon. My business with Broken is not your concern. I've been threatened and ridiculed by him personally and for that the business I have with him is personal and my own. As far as your challenge goes its accepted. I'll happily suck chef's chocolate salty balls with whipped cream on top if you can beat a 5 man Nova Core team in shuttles. I look forward to meeting Risa Squadron in the queues.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
lol really i have? i never even metion you till you called me out on fourms yet you refuse to back it up. you also choise not even even touch the subject how my fleet was treated in your house. but yeah risa did have 3 shuttles and 2 decated heals and we lol won a match against a full nova core premade
Its been done before. We have taken nova several times in the past w/o being sire spamsalot. And your bad attributed is of my concern since he is my fleet mate. An attack on one if an attack on all.
I just think its hilarious how you all think your some sort of bad TRIBBLE and you can't even beat us with your spam. Sure it's a PIA, but pure and absolute skill out beats pure noob p2w garbage.
Hell last time I beat down Nova I turned on my auto macro's and just used the mouse to pilot. Not timing anything and just auto firing everything, and yes yall still went down like Broken on a knish. nom nom nom
To Quote Horizon when he flamed at me sometime ago when I posted about pre-made teams
"you're not the kirksauce"
I'm most definately not this kirksauce, I don't want to be either, PvP is all well and good when there is a good competitive atmosphere, but being all un-sporting and being all flame and blame isn't getting anyone anywhere but a trip to sulk land.
I'm aware of almost every fleet mentioned, I have respect for alot of you and your fleets, although I wouldn't expect any of you to actually be aware of me, I don't exactly PvP to often anymore or even telegraph that I'm a PvP'er although I really enjoy it.
Also I like to generally just 1v1 these days, I have a good build for that, I don't stick to specific builds.
I wouldn't say that I'd win against some of the more experienced PvP'ers but I would do my best and still have the sportsmanship to actually not give two hoots about a complete roll over anymore, its going to happen.
I've also learned that it doesn't really matter what we really think about spam or pay to win consoles, the players in the minority of not being active in the forums, or not in a fleet that has any players aware of pay 2 win consoles being an issue for PvP'ers.
my issue is no matter what we do we're still going to get new players who are going to use them, the repuation system has single handedly given the player who was here before season 7, the advantage of better equipment, we should atleast take that into consideration when we start seeing the new players who start to PvP using less than effective equipment, and having pay to win consoles, that for the most part is the only advantage they have... would we like to be stripped of our advantages? probably not.
I'm in the minority but I do see players who clearly abuse the system because of Pay To Win consoles, those who like to logout just before death for instance, then complain "I couldn't move all that pay to win spam I aint dying from that TRIBBLE"
I fight fair, I do not use pay to win consoles, I don't put money toward getting them, I don't open boxes. the only thing I have that is considered "pay to win" is the Red Matter Capacitor and I got that from my Collectors Edition
RachelJ88
Less silverback-style thumping of chests, more of this.
Awareness of multiple perspectives, some tolerance for people less in the loop and a friendly attitude towards people using things you think are diabolical would probably make PvP a more welcoming experience for new players. Once they decide to stay and repeatedly hear reasonable arguments not to use such-and-such skill/console/tactic they might very well refrain from using these. Yelling and flaming at new, unaware players, on the other hand, may well make their forays into PvP very brief ones indeed.
pre-season 7 characters do have a minor disadvantage, but the fleet shields and regular MK XII VR deflectors/engines can be effective and viable in PVP. I will say, on my after-s7 sci I do miss the 2x borg. The hull proc is great. However, the borg deflector doesn't fit my needs so I probably wouldn't use the borg stuff anyway. Although a MK XII MACO would be great!
I've been noticing a lot of the same tactics in PVP premades lately. Point and case, while I find some of the tactics in poor taste, some I would refuse to use in a team, some I will and that is adapting. Be that as it may, if I don't have anything nice to say, I don't say nothing! I also try and extend that philosophy to my teammates.
It would be nice if PWE/Crypic would fix the issue with mines. IE, if one critz they all crit. I also have a suspicion that the same may be true for cannon swings. Need to start doing some logs/tests though. I noticed a 17k cannon critz last night, followed by a couple more instantly killing a enemy. Granted it a decloak alpha, but that followed by at least 1 other crit >10k seems a bit hax.
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You keep bringing up how your fleet was treated in my house. I have been good friends with Balla and Tosk for a long time. Since before I even knew who you were. I respect Risa Squadron and have always respected them. But you are disrespectful. Whatever happened with you in "my house" I was not there. So why don't you tell me what happened. Who is it exactly in my house that treated you so wrong? As for me you have talked **** about me the same as Talon Jones. It's funny because I've never given Talon Jones any reason to **** talk me personally. But not only has he but he continues to **** talk my fleet. Of course the only thing he succeeds at is wins by Logout. So maybe I shouldn't be suprised.
You've also made it personal with your ridiculous youtube video. "Is a Tuffli Freighter better than Nova Core". And you question why I call you out? Why don't you link the video here so people can see. I say I can kill you because I have. And I didn't have help. Other times I did. That's how pvp works. It's fact. Not chest thumping. I am publicly stating my capability against you while at the same time acknowledging your skill as my opponent. Which is showing you far more respect than you care to show me or anyone else you don't agree with. What have you contributed to this forum post except malicious response after response. You aren't constructive about anything on this forum or in the organizedpvp channel. I'll be happy to address the issue if something serious happened to you or your players while in our teamspeak. But you need to understand whatever happened did not happen by me to you or your fleet. I wasn't in game at the time and have no clue to what you are talking about.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
I have no issue with you. I'd defend my fleetmate from being attacked as well if I was in your position. It's too bad that you cannot see that your fleetmate has decided to flat out insult and **** talk me in the past when there was nothing I have done to warrant it. I've never had a problem with Broken in the past despite his complaining about being blown up when I have been on the other side of a match. And for that reason I will not respond to anymore of your posts unless they concern the main topic I presented in the original thread. I'll end by saying the way you are defending your fleetmate isn't the best way to go about it. You are welcome to pop onto our teamspeak and speak with me personally. I'd be happy to explain my side of the story in an intelligent and mature manner.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
I'm not saying we have disadvantage of the outcome of the equipment, more so the attaining of the equipment, new players will have to plow through leveling... hit Rear Admiral Upper and then start earning Marks to start the Rep system, where as before the reputation system you could, do a day of normal STF's and have enough EDC's for an Assimilated ship set.
The cost of attaining what we we're so easily able to get pre-season 7 is scandalous.
The newer players which I'm refering will be disadvantaged till they acquire the items, giving them incentive to use the consoles they so purchased to stay competitive.
RachelJ88
1) I would tend to agree with trip on all accounts, unfortunately haters will be haters and life is too short to police an 'unpolice-able' aspect of a game.
2) I saw the hostility first begin when NC became more visible in the sto forums by way of numerous members using fleet sigs I made, something which I regret because Im pretty sure most of the aggressors didnt even give me two thoughts before then.
I myself, when pugging, have been called almost any name in the book to the point I just turn off zone chat. My two mains are a tac/tac in a defiant that flies bop style for hit/pop/runs and an engi healboat. Here's the thing tho, no p2w on my ships, no auto-macros, and I still do relatively well. Most people will tell you, I'm one of the most easy-going unassuming people of the bunch.
There are names (fleet leaders even) in this thread that state they 'took the high road'. My experience, when on my alt in a pug team of friends on alts (maybe 3 or so on TS/VENT), is that when our group starts to win against a premade (take your pick which), their p2w comes out. I'm not the type to call you names or jump on a bandwagon and disrespect your fleet name, but don't think yourself my better because you rate your personal character via a game. The difference is you choose to do things when you think no one is looking.
3) There are premades, and there are 'premades' composed of pugs not on TS/VENT from the same fleet. I find the latter to be more my cup of tea.
That said, I haven't pvp'ed all that much in a long while, I slap myself silly to say that Im actually enjoy pveing the romulan stuff more than pvp.
4) People that love to, will smear Nova Core's name whatever chance they get. An actual example? I've been using a clean build a *player* was kind enough to teach me for my tac/tac as it was my first tac. Members from his fleet would send me private tells on how terrible it actually was and that I shouldn't use such horrible tactics setup. I told them where I got the setup from, subsequently they shut their traps because of who this veteran actually was and what role of importance he played in their fleet.
Conclusion
This isn't something to detract from the thread, moreseo to support a live and let live attitude of pvp, while being a decent and respectful person/pvper.
People can accuse, dictate, and lord over others all they want. Holier than thou attitudes and big **** contests be damned.
At the end of the day, You won't see me spending my time playing the Mean Girls game.
If I logon, then I'll just logon to chat and play with my friends, whether they be in my fleet or in others.
Chillax. No Ego. No Drama.
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I've never seen the movie, but I've seen it referenced enough elsewhere. It's kind of funny (and sad), but if one steps back a moment and looks at some of what's going on...lol.
Ahem...
*10pts* Well put!
If I logon, then I'll just logon to chat and play with my friends, whether they be in my fleet or in others. <-- Thats all I do at the moment too.
RachelJ88
You're watchin mah thread Tal? omg!
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMlk4sRPLQk
@snog reminds me of a thought I once had, "PVP Tournament: Tuffi Freighters only" I would LOVE to see that
@tripwire aye aye capn, I'll be on vaca for about a week but will try when I get back.
@rachel ty, we needs to hang out at some point then
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We need that old school organizer back. I think he was Captain Data or someone else.
PVP Tourny = Corporate Wars: Fight of the Freighters
*@trip, my last derailment, promise :P
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I have absolutely no idea where you got all that from. Where did I even talk about the past or YOU?
I never said you destroyed anything. I'm saying, if you want to use all that sh?t, don't cry about the rude words or behaviour people treat you with. I'm not exclusively adressing you or your fleet but everyone who thinks it's okay to bring whatever the game offers.
So don't come in here and say: "We will not put restrictions on our guild members. They can use whatever they want but please treat them well and offer them candy."
That sh?t doesn't work. Nobody will be nice to you when you knowingly take the fun out of the Arena for everybody else.
(I haven't really played the game since F2P but I even refused to play with my guild, if they wanted to bring Scramble when it was broken and yes I only used Faw with 25 Weapon Energy setting to clear mine spam. I've never played dirty. I didn't even support my PUGs, if they were abusing any broken mechanic. Maybe that makes me special but I only did it because winning with all that TRIBBLE doesn't mean anything to me. If you feel fine by using it, so be it but don't complain.)