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getting these task force gear is still unfair
jim625
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we where promised by the devs that they where gonna make getting these omega task force gear more fairly to players but I dont think they have and all they did is make us grind grind grind just get to get a certin gear you want I had a look at these borg tech you could equip to your ship and it says it will cost about 500 omega marks and thats just stupid:mad:
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well they see fairness in the fact that now you know how much you need to grind for the gear, because before it was total luck.
however I dare say with the amount of STFs you have to run so you would get enough marks and whatnot, you are pretty much screwed over. with that many stfs played in the previous system, you would have gotten the gear anyway (yeah, there is a chance you wouldnt have, but then your name is Brian, and you are a famous meme)
still this system doesnt really bother me, however it is unfair towards new characters and players, because they are pretty much locked out from the gear for quite sometime (and indirectly this makes the system unfair against other players, because they will perform worse than they would otherwise)
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
In what way is it unfair, pray tell?
Are the restrictions or demands lower for some people than others?
Do some people luck out and get their sets in 5 stf's, while others take forever?
Really, 500 omega marks isn't all that shocking... I just converted some 800 of them to dilithium, because I'm already getting swamped by them. On one character I was up to 2500 marks, and I'm not even a big-time player, spreading my time across 4 characters.
The time it takes to reach the required reputation levels is also pretty well-struck, now, if you ask me. When has season 7 launched? Many people already have access to the mk XI versions of these sets. The input requirements to progress surely aren't the problem, I'd say, particularly after the recent patches.
I actually start to think the system is very beneficial to players, as it is now, guaranteeing easy access to gear and (after the most recent patch) providing way more dilithium than previously.
But please, do explain where you see the unfairness, I have been known to concede my errors of judgement, when confronted with solid arguments.
Mk X omega set in a box the day you hit level 45
then no one can complain about people coming to stfs under equipped
Some players whined about the RNG nature of the endgame. Now we're all screwed.
You know what? To some extent I'm inclined to agree.
But only if they find a different reason to play STF's, other than gear.
Sure, blowing up Borg is fun, but after you've blown up the same set of Borg 20 times, for no particular reason other than blowing them up, it gets old real quick.
Do you see the problem inherent in the MMO endgame system/concept?
As far as I'm concerned, all mk XI/XII equipment should be roughly equal (yes, even non-set parts), but with different bonusses, so people can mix and match to their heart's content, rather than be forced to use one of 2/3 sets. Except, when getting the optimum gear is the only goal beyond a certain point, and getting that gear is easy, what do you do?
W*rCr*ft: The Pandoria nerf was fatal to my relationship with Blizzard. And now Perfect
World has nerfed the last MMORPG i will ever play. I am disgusted with the need for changing the games just to pretend to have something new to offer.
There was NOTHING wrong with the old system. Sure, it took me about 2.5 months to get my full Omega Mk XII set, but so what? I generated at least 250K unrefined dilithium in just Rare/Prototype Borg salvages, which was instrumental in feeding the currency requirements in buffing fleet projects, and allowing me to get the Advanced Fleet weapons for my ships. Not to mention the EDCs that allowed me to populate my
Active Space and Active Ground Duty Officers slots with awesome Purple Borgs...
Now? That ride is over, and the insipidly glossed-over "Grind" for the gear has had absolutely any other motivating factor(salvage drops, EDCs) removed. I had even gotten
over the endless stream of under-geared, under-experienced free to play players that
rarely failed to appear on the Elite Space or Ground STFs. But what the devs have done with this update is the last nail for the coffin. Good luck PWE, and to think i'm in a minority of paying players is the gamble they have chosen to take. Peace.
Yeah... right... I have better idea, just gave every one 50lv, all gear they will ever need and "press-here-to-win" button.
You don't need omega gear to play and win STFs. All you need is using your brain.
500 OM? It's 4-6 simple ISE , especially now with bonus Marks as drop.
there is grinding involved but there was grinding before, and it was totally based on luck. someone people had gone the whole year without getting what they wanted. this way people can get their gear in months and know they are getting their gear. before it was just praying it would be your turn.
there is an element of luck brought back in as you can now win extra BNP's and omega marks and they can greatly help.
Ive had 10 extra BNP's drop in a match, so there are some decent rewards on offer.
once people are at tier 5, which wont take that long, it will feel much better as you can work towards what you want and ignore what you dont.
They are locked out of a handful of Mk XII pieces for a bit over a month. It's hardly devastating. They can get stuff thats 90% as effective within a week, and 95% within 2. Not to mention all the cheap XI purples weapons on the exchange.
At that rate, it's really not all that many runs to get stuff. If you have to have every item from every store, sure, you're looking at Too Many Marks, but there's no reason to do that. Maybe 50 runs on elite to fill the rep system and get most of the desirable items? That's five a day for ten days.
Likewise, on the Romulan front, you just have to do the daily and raise a few Epohhs. You'll be swimming in marks in no time.
I miss the old ways, elite gear felt good when you got it, rather than grind then PAY for it
With the old system Mark X & XI could be received with both EDC & Tech drops, at the same time you were grinding for EDC's/Tech you could easily pick up enough salvage for a full set of Mk XI weapons & cash in 15 EDC's for the full Borg set. If you were amazingly unlucky you might have to run 60 normal's for a Maco/Omega/HG Mk X set, but with half a dozen characters I never had to do more then 40 runs, and the majority of my toon's had a full set before they hit 30 runs. One toon had a full set before I had enough EDC's for the Borg set.
The Mk XI sets required a little more time due to a lower tech drop rate (in normal's) & higher EDC conversion rate, but it was still quite easy to pick up a set. Also keep in mind that a good portion of players would be half way to a full set of Mk XI by the time they finished their grind for MK X, or would have multiple Mk X sets due to tech drops. A good portion of my toon's had all the Mk X sets & at least one Mk XI set plus the Borg set & full Borg Mk XI gear well before they hit 100 runs...
Now compare that to The "New" system.
When you compare it to what we had before the new system simply puts everything behind a grind & pay wall with out any extra benefits to the player. Mk X Borg gear is going to take 70 runs & the better part of a week of dilithium grinding, while Mk X Omega/Maco/HG is closer to 80 runs & a full week of Dilithium grind. Who the hell is going to gear up with normal's now ? You are far better off just jumping into Elite infected & praying that your team can carry you.
The only benefit of the new system is to those players who were grinding for Mk XII & were unlucky with tech drops, for those players this system gives them a solid goal to chase, of course Cryptic could have simply added a EDC conversion system like they had for Mk X & XI gear, but that would have been too easy. In summery, people are only playing normal's for fun at this point. Alt gear grinds are much more painful & the system is pretty much entirely designed around people running Elite STF's from the start. I'm sure some people will love that, but I can't help but feel a little sad for the new players getting into the game. Normal's are much more forgiving & a much friendlier environment to get started with.
previously, some would get their sets in first 5 runs, some didn't get them in years.
now you have to work to grind the rep system for some 3-4 weeks, then you'll grind some dill and marks and BUY the equipment..
THEN YOU CONVERT marks to Dill and GET RICH
what is there not to like?
and others too numerous to name...
Now they flood you with marks and DIL, and it's still not enough.
Maybe everyone should simply be issued MK XIII purple gear for installing the game? You don't even need to create an account. It's UPS'd to you on an SD card.
500 years in the future and we still look like schmucks when getting our ID photos taken...
No, if you do ground (and I would love to see people forced to do ground STFs) you can get 112 Marks for a single run on Khitomere Accord Ground Elite (please, I dislike those new names!).
That means: You could be done in just 5 good runs.
If Star Trek Online was an Open-Source (GPL) Game, we would have a low-grind fork.
but ISE is way faster than anything, you can do it in 10 mins no sweat.
I also dont like the new names, dont rly understand the need for it
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
Elite STF's? still doesn't solve the alt problem.
Just don't complain when undergeared noobs jump into Elite STF's to get their gear. The new system encourages it, so you're just going to have to deal with even "moar" rainbow love.
All they needed was an EDC conversion system like the had with MK X & MK XI gear (20-40-60), instead they screwed everyone over for the benefit of people chasing Mk XII gear, GG Cryptic.
While Normal difficulty should still pay out less than Elites, closing the gap (upwards, please. Don't go lowering Elite's Mark payout) should help with the monotony of the grind. Normal should maintain a very rare chance to get BNPs at mission end. This would allow more casual players to get to the point where they can run more Elites without being as underpowered while still pushing Elite STFs for getting Mark XII gear.
The push up the Rep levels should be relatively comfortable for everyone, but getting the Mark XII gear should be tougher and promote Elite play.
Simply to keep people OUT of elite
You could lock everybody who hasn't got a full Mk XI ground set (Omega/MACO/KHG, not Jem'hadar) out of Elite STFs and as a result of this the people who think they could do Elite STFs would complain.
Gear doesn't replace skill and beeing geared for something doesn't mean that you are ready for it.
If you want a good team, then you may not use public queues, you've got to do private matches.
If Star Trek Online was an Open-Source (GPL) Game, we would have a low-grind fork.
And I never wore a single item of maco KHG or Omega gear for any of them (and I never had a ground team member complain about my abilities either had one complain he didn't like my HAIRCUT however)
Maco gear does not make you any better at your job
it just makes you look a bit like an armoured spacesuit
/this
elite should be purely optional. reward would be only a title, perhaps a costume at 100 runs..
Wimp.