I like outfitting and flying my spaceship, as well as having an away team of people. I'd still be here, though I'm mainly addicted to DOffing more than anything else.
without the Star Trek license i would never have started to play this game in the first place.
so
[X] NO!
of course if it had another license... Babylon 5 for example, i probably would have played it some and be long gone by now. But i'm a sucker for Star Trek so it doesn't matter how bad it gets i probably stick around till server shutdown.
Psssst! This isn't Star Trek.
This is an mmo with Star Trek visuals that you need to buy.
Star Trek is always about story. People, political. personal. I have never heard anyone disagreeing with that.
Story is really hard for cryptic to keep pace. "It is coming" though.
It is much easier to make more fed ships and non combat pets.
Psssst! This isn't Star Trek.
This is an mmo with Star Trek visuals that you need to buy.
Star Trek is always about story. People, political. personal. I have never heard anyone disagreeing with that.
Story is really hard for cryptic to keep pace. "It is coming" though.
It is much easier to make more fed ships and non combat pets.
I am not saying it is wrong for cryptic to have done this. It is a direction.
Some game players don't want a wall of text. They just want pew pew.
Maybe it is the franchise that doesn't translate well to Star Trek.
I have a hard time believing a Star Trek captain would tow his 2k+ crew around the galaxy commuting genocide. And yes, it is genocide.
Lets say my fed ship has killed since release about 10 kdf ships a day with an average of 2k per ship. That is about 7 million people killed.
I have a fleet of 500 people who do the same day in and day out.
It isn't very star Trekkie
Well, STO has the best space combat engine of all games. You got to give them that. EVE has only pixels autofighting for minutes. SWTOR has only shooting on rails. That's about it for MMO space combat games.
No I wouldn't still be playing if it didn't have the star trek license. I would of stopped playing after the first 30 free days of play that you got when you brought the game. The game got boring real fast in the beginning. The only thing that keep me playing was that I really like the star trek franchise. But now not even that is going to keep me play, if season 7 is bad. Season 7 really needs to impress me, if I'm going to stay. But it doesn't look that way right now.
Aside from the IP, I enjoy space combat, and the Doff system to an extent (I miss the way it was before, with easier to get Doffs, I still don't have a perfect crew after almost a year).
Without it being "Star Trek", it would have to have a really good storyline to keep me playing. I finally quit WoW because of the cross-realm zones (which thankfully aren't a problem here), but I enjoyed their questing for rep and rewards vs the old style grinds of killing mobs and endlessly running dungeons for gear or boosting rep. STO is a few steps behind in MMO evolution, as in moving away from the "asian grinder" model or oldschool "run this dungeon 1,000 times for all the gear". Hopefully STO will get to that point, but from the Dev team's actions and company associates, it might not be any time soon.
No I wouldn't still be playing if it didn't have the star trek license. I would of stopped playing after the first 30 free days of play that you got when you brought the game. The game got boring real fast in the beginning. The only thing that keep me playing was that I really like the star trek franchise. But now not even that is going to keep me play, if season 7 is bad. Season 7 really needs to impress me, if I'm going to stay. But it doesn't look that way right now.
If it was not a Star Trek game it would not have interested me so no I doubt I would have even tried it, there are plenty of free MMO's that I have not tried or interested in trying.
Hell yes.
I'm a free player not spending real money on this, so it's a great bit of fun.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It seems, from reading this thread, that the folks most likely to stick with the game are the ones that never played a MMO previously.
I came to MMO's through SWG and then STO...
Went on to try WoW (8 months), Eve (1 month) and eventually TOR (3 months)...
STO is the only one I've stuck with.
(SWGs NGE, was too big a change for me..., I left a couple of months after and I had been there almost from the day it hit the stores.)
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I dunno. It seems better than half of my fleetmates started with WoW or EQ and a lot of people here played CoH. I suspect it may be an age thing.
People who started MMOs here seem, to me, to be either young enough that they didn't get in on the 00s MMO wave or old enough to fall well outside the traditional demographic.
What really got me interested, was the fact that I found out I could fly a replica of the TOS Enterprise...
Granted it wasn't till I started playing, that I realized that it was only good for the first few levels...
(snip)
Now, every time I start a new alt (which has been eight times now), I use the old girl to level up as far as I can, before it becomes impractical on Advanced (the mode I always play in).
Actually , I have a LVL 50 toon that I use to "express doff" that has driver coils maxed out and I only log on to fly with him for a short while every few days ... -- but baby ... he's warping warp 15 ... TOS Connie style !
(ok , I admit it , I have 14 alts ... )
and "IF," STO manages to hang on to dear life after such competition arises, its probably due to its F2P status, which should have started that way from the beginning.
Erm ... were there any major F2P mmo's in 2007-8 ?
Because that's when STO started development , and until Turbine made the plunge , "F2P" was a dirty word in the West .
It seems, from reading this thread, that the folks most likely to stick with the game are the ones that never played a MMO previously.
I came to MMO's through SWG and then STO...
Went on to try WoW (8 months), Eve (1 month) and eventually TOR (3 months)...
STO is the only one I've stuck with.
(SWGs NGE, was too big a change for me..., I left a couple of months after and I had been there almost from the day it hit the stores.)
An odd conclusion for you to draw.
Since I specifically stated myself to be a veteran MMO player and that I would stick around specifically because I care more for the Sci-Fi MMO beneath the shiny Star Trek surface.
Even without the Trek name I would still be playing it, even though indeed, it wouldn't even exist without the license.
Simply because I am into Sci-Fi MMOs.
Always remember as well, forum users are only a vocal minority, if CBS were to strip this game of it's right to call itself Star Trek, I don't think it would die unless CBS demands shutdown, though sure, all the Trekkies would ragequit.
I'm not sure if that's a bad thing tbh since they do tend to be too demanding of something that is primarily still a Sci-Fi MMO, you can't make it ''feel more trek'' then it does already, the kind of exploration people are demanding is something that Cryptic shouldn't even want to do.
I've played another third person game called Global Agenda, that game litterally died because the devs listened too much to what the community wanted, losing any and all focus and resulting in half assed functions it shouldn't have had like open zones, they themselves even admitted that they lost focus on a specific direction for the game because everyone wanted something different and they listened.
So yes, I much rather have Cryptic stick to their plans and take community opinion into consideration at best.
Never forget, the moment a game stops being profitable, updates stop and player base diminishes, again, Global Agenda is a perfect example, it was no longer considered salvageable and the company pulled the plug on it's devs, causing updates to stop and in a period of probably not even 4 months, the entire game to die.
They are speaking of a sequel in which they'll do things as they originally intended to with a focus on PvP, no open world and minimum PvE, if they stick to that it'll probably go better then the first game ever went.
If I hadn't bought a LTM at launch I wouldn't be playing STO now. As it is.. Honestly I DON"T actually play STO anymore..
I show up in game to socialize.. Honestly Champions Online is more fun. The game mechanics are more straitforward.. And my main MMO is ****..
A free player devolped port of Starfleet Command II Empires at war is out there now that'll run under Vista, WIN-7 and WIN 8.. so I get my Trek PvP fix there...
As a space combat game its so tremendously better. Tactics count!
I also am a KDF player and.. well.. seriously less then half the content of the federation faction.. and new players can't jump in and start playing KDF right away...They have to run a Fed toon to I think it is level 25 to unlock the KDF play.. ANd as unhappy as I am with ship combat in STO theres very little epic PvP gameplay.. Like the Fed and KDF are supposed to be at war.. But good luck doing PvP that effects that war because none exists.
STO is a goodie chase now and there are better goodie chasses.. **** and Guild wars 2 are good example.. and for that matter the still rigning king of the MMO's World of ********.. which in spite of NOT being a F2P MMO is still holding onto millions of players world wide..
That and frankly as far as ZEN purchases are concerned PWI and Cryptic have chosen to charge right at the edge of pain... To much grubbing for money and not 'nuff ongoing story of the trek universe.
No. Without the Trek IP, I would not have looked at this game. And the more that they water it down with endless grinding battles, light sabers, characters from Dr. Who and Galaxy Quest the further I and my money move away from this game.
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How someone is finding Zen and the Dilithium exchange to be FUN is beyond me.
heh
The simple truth of the matter is MMOs attract a wide variety of players. People who play for different reasons, enjoy different things, etc. And, to be honest, I didn't think I'd enjoy playing with the market, either, but once I got into it, I got into it! Before that, looking at any game's market/exchange/auction house was dull, dull, dull. I didn't bother, hated it.
I've played with folks who love PVP.
I've played with folks who love PVE and only play when there's new content.
I've played with folks who love sandboxes, and hate any sort of pre-canned content.
I've played with folks who love raiding.
I've played with folks who love role-playing.
I've played with folks who just love making new costumes/looks for characters.
I've played with folks who pretty much only hang out, and play super casually.
I've played with folks who try to master the whole game, and are walking wikipedias.
I've played with folks who focus in on a single area/topic only.
And at their extremes, many of them think the rest are crazy or playing wrong
Ever take the Bartle Test? That's an old measurement of playstyle, but helps convey the idea, I think.
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Nope. the Star trek experienceis what drew me in.....i invested in a Lifer status so i cannot muster the motivation to leave and start a new MMo atm. i am subbed to TOR but it is not to my liking thus far.
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Quite frankly if this game didn't have the Star Trek name and license I would of never even looked at it.
This is the problen with Star Trek games as you expect it to live up to the real thing but it doens't unlike Starfleet Command 1 and 2 as elements from Starfleet Battles helped them.
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I'll admit I didnt read every single post in full, but I have scanned over every page of this thread and it seems like 90% of people are saying "no". IMHO that is a pretty sad reality for Cryptic to realize that people arent playing because of their work that they really enjoy, but mainly because of the "costume" that the game is wearing.
I'll admit I didnt read every single post in full, but I have scanned over every page of this thread and it seems like 90% of people are saying "no". IMHO that is a pretty sad reality for Cryptic to realize that people arent playing because of their work that they really enjoy, but mainly because of the "costume" that the game is wearing.
But, again, the flipside of your observation above is - Were this MMO NOT based on the Star Trek IP; and an attempt to trying and be faithful to 46 years of WILDLY varying canon; and trying to appeal to a Star Trek fanbase that spans 3 generations, 6 TV series (including TAS); and 11 feature films - they may have made VERY different design decisions that would have made this a very different MMO that may have had a broader appeal to MMO fans and science fiction fans in general.
tl;dr - If this MMO wasn't based on the Star Trek IP - it probably would have been a VERY different MMO.
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But, again, the flipside of your observation above is - Were this MMO NOT based on the Star Trek IP; and an attempt to trying and be faithful to 46 years of WILDLY varying canon; and trying to appeal to a Star Trek fanbase that spans 3 generations, 6 TV series (including TAS); and 11 feature films - they may have made VERY different design decisions that would have made this a very different MMO that may have had a broader appeal to MMO fans and science fiction fans in general.
tl;dr - If this MMO wasn't based on the Star Trek IP - it probably would have been a VERY different MMO.
Yeah, I've seen people say this before. And thats probably true. But there is no way to know whether you would play a completely different game without a specific explanation of what the differences would be. So the only way you can actually answer the question the OP is asking is if you assume that the game would work the same basic way(actual mechanics and systems) except without the Trek skin. And it seems that the majority of people are saying they would not want to play that. So regardless of how you try to explain it, it would appear that they are not happy with the basic mechanics of the game, which Cryptic designed.
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[X] NO!
of course if it had another license... Babylon 5 for example, i probably would have played it some and be long gone by now. But i'm a sucker for Star Trek so it doesn't matter how bad it gets i probably stick around till server shutdown.
This is an mmo with Star Trek visuals that you need to buy.
Star Trek is always about story. People, political. personal. I have never heard anyone disagreeing with that.
Story is really hard for cryptic to keep pace. "It is coming" though.
It is much easier to make more fed ships and non combat pets.
Agreed, and no
Some game players don't want a wall of text. They just want pew pew.
Maybe it is the franchise that doesn't translate well to Star Trek.
I have a hard time believing a Star Trek captain would tow his 2k+ crew around the galaxy commuting genocide. And yes, it is genocide.
Lets say my fed ship has killed since release about 10 kdf ships a day with an average of 2k per ship. That is about 7 million people killed.
I have a fleet of 500 people who do the same day in and day out.
It isn't very star Trekkie
end rant
Without it being "Star Trek", it would have to have a really good storyline to keep me playing. I finally quit WoW because of the cross-realm zones (which thankfully aren't a problem here), but I enjoyed their questing for rep and rewards vs the old style grinds of killing mobs and endlessly running dungeons for gear or boosting rep. STO is a few steps behind in MMO evolution, as in moving away from the "asian grinder" model or oldschool "run this dungeon 1,000 times for all the gear". Hopefully STO will get to that point, but from the Dev team's actions and company associates, it might not be any time soon.
You will like new Romulus. Ever.so.much.
I'm a free player not spending real money on this, so it's a great bit of fun.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I came to MMO's through SWG and then STO...
Went on to try WoW (8 months), Eve (1 month) and eventually TOR (3 months)...
STO is the only one I've stuck with.
(SWGs NGE, was too big a change for me..., I left a couple of months after and I had been there almost from the day it hit the stores.)
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People who started MMOs here seem, to me, to be either young enough that they didn't get in on the 00s MMO wave or old enough to fall well outside the traditional demographic.
Actually , I have a LVL 50 toon that I use to "express doff" that has driver coils maxed out and I only log on to fly with him for a short while every few days ... -- but baby ... he's warping warp 15 ... TOS Connie style !
(ok , I admit it , I have 14 alts ...
Erm ... were there any major F2P mmo's in 2007-8 ?
Because that's when STO started development , and until Turbine made the plunge , "F2P" was a dirty word in the West .
An odd conclusion for you to draw.
Since I specifically stated myself to be a veteran MMO player and that I would stick around specifically because I care more for the Sci-Fi MMO beneath the shiny Star Trek surface.
For convenience:
I show up in game to socialize.. Honestly Champions Online is more fun. The game mechanics are more straitforward.. And my main MMO is ****..
A free player devolped port of Starfleet Command II Empires at war is out there now that'll run under Vista, WIN-7 and WIN 8.. so I get my Trek PvP fix there...
As a space combat game its so tremendously better. Tactics count!
I also am a KDF player and.. well.. seriously less then half the content of the federation faction.. and new players can't jump in and start playing KDF right away...They have to run a Fed toon to I think it is level 25 to unlock the KDF play.. ANd as unhappy as I am with ship combat in STO theres very little epic PvP gameplay.. Like the Fed and KDF are supposed to be at war.. But good luck doing PvP that effects that war because none exists.
STO is a goodie chase now and there are better goodie chasses.. **** and Guild wars 2 are good example.. and for that matter the still rigning king of the MMO's World of ********.. which in spite of NOT being a F2P MMO is still holding onto millions of players world wide..
That and frankly as far as ZEN purchases are concerned PWI and Cryptic have chosen to charge right at the edge of pain... To much grubbing for money and not 'nuff ongoing story of the trek universe.
The simple truth of the matter is MMOs attract a wide variety of players. People who play for different reasons, enjoy different things, etc. And, to be honest, I didn't think I'd enjoy playing with the market, either, but once I got into it, I got into it! Before that, looking at any game's market/exchange/auction house was dull, dull, dull. I didn't bother, hated it.
- I've played with folks who love PVP.
- I've played with folks who love PVE and only play when there's new content.
- I've played with folks who love sandboxes, and hate any sort of pre-canned content.
- I've played with folks who love raiding.
- I've played with folks who love role-playing.
- I've played with folks who just love making new costumes/looks for characters.
- I've played with folks who pretty much only hang out, and play super casually.
- I've played with folks who try to master the whole game, and are walking wikipedias.
- I've played with folks who focus in on a single area/topic only.
And at their extremes, many of them think the rest are crazy or playing wrongEver take the Bartle Test? That's an old measurement of playstyle, but helps convey the idea, I think.
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This is the problen with Star Trek games as you expect it to live up to the real thing but it doens't unlike Starfleet Command 1 and 2 as elements from Starfleet Battles helped them.
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But, again, the flipside of your observation above is - Were this MMO NOT based on the Star Trek IP; and an attempt to trying and be faithful to 46 years of WILDLY varying canon; and trying to appeal to a Star Trek fanbase that spans 3 generations, 6 TV series (including TAS); and 11 feature films - they may have made VERY different design decisions that would have made this a very different MMO that may have had a broader appeal to MMO fans and science fiction fans in general.
tl;dr - If this MMO wasn't based on the Star Trek IP - it probably would have been a VERY different MMO.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Yeah, I've seen people say this before. And thats probably true. But there is no way to know whether you would play a completely different game without a specific explanation of what the differences would be. So the only way you can actually answer the question the OP is asking is if you assume that the game would work the same basic way(actual mechanics and systems) except without the Trek skin. And it seems that the majority of people are saying they would not want to play that. So regardless of how you try to explain it, it would appear that they are not happy with the basic mechanics of the game, which Cryptic designed.