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If this game didnt hav the startrek licence would u still b playing it?

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  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    EVE is 'go hardcore or go home'. STO at least is still pretty fluffy and able to accept carebears.


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  • chikahirochikahiro Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I would. I like the variety of things to do. Its like Pirates of the Burning Sea in space, but more "me" friendly. Hell, its a fast-paced, kinder and gentler game than EVE, too. I love ship to ship combat, the ground stuff can be fun when I'm teamed up with friends, I'm finding the market to be lots of fun (especially the Zen to Dilithium Exchange), etc. The character customization is very good, and I like that I can enjoy the game at a leisurely pace if I like, or go full on hectic :)

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  • coldbeer72coldbeer72 Member Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Well then, looks like I will be staying here then, I play for enjoyment and a short escape from RL, it is not the be all and end all of my existance.......maybe i should have bought X-COM after all.....
    Have enough drama in RL, don't need it in fantasyland as well!!!!
  • azyurionazyurion Member Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Probably not. Certainly not as long as I have. The Trek altiverse setting makes up for a lot of weaknesses in this offering and its implementation.
  • allyoftheforceallyoftheforce Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    No. If this game were any other IP, it could die for all I care. I'm here for Star Trek not "Them".
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    What really got me interested, was the fact that I found out I could fly a replica of the TOS Enterprise...
    (I think it was the GameStop box of the game, that I first saw and purchased)

    Granted it wasn't till I started playing, that I realized that it was only good for the first few levels...

    But I was hooked.

    When later on, They added the TOS Bridge/Corridors and all the Classic versions of the uniforms, as well as a replica of the TOS Galileo-7...

    I knew I was here for whichever came first...

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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    chikahiro wrote: »
    ... I'm finding the market to be lots of fun (especially the Zen to Dilithium Exchange) ...

    How someone is finding Zen and the Dilithium exchange to be FUN is beyond me. :confused::confused:

    Here is the truth in all:

    STO Saving Grace:

    #1 - The iP
    #2 - It recently going F2P, However; That alone isn't enough, it needed its iP.
    #3 - Despite many CONS, STO is User Friendly
    #4 - The FACT that there is NO other Star Trek MMO out there
    #5 - The Foundry, a nice Tool
    #6 - Character Customization - I just wish it was more indepth like their sister title Champions Online
    #7 - Decent ship models / Not always accurate, but decent neverthless

    If another company, a GOOD company, manages to obtain the iP & develop a superior Star Trek MMO, I am willing to bet that a huge number of the STO population would abandon this Titanic.

    and "IF," STO manages to hang on to dear life after such competition arises, its probably due to its F2P status, which should have started that way from the beginning.
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  • deadmaninc84deadmaninc84 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    God no, I don't even really play it now except when I just need a little Star Trek then I turn it off.
  • captmack001captmack001 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    God no, I don't even really play it now except when I just need a little Star Trek then I turn it off.

    Second that
  • agentum656agentum656 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    No I would not.

    The game itself is medium at best. It has only gotten worse since f2p.

    I keep playing because of

    - star trek
    - the foundry

    ugc is keeping it alive for me.
  • luxchristianluxchristian Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    The story missions and the ST licence brought me in. New online friends I found in the game are what are keeping me playing it :D
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Even without the Trek name I would still be playing it, even though indeed, it wouldn't even exist without the license.

    Simply because I am into Sci-Fi MMOs.

    Always remember as well, forum users are only a vocal minority, if CBS were to strip this game of it's right to call itself Star Trek, I don't think it would die unless CBS demands shutdown, though sure, all the Trekkies would ragequit.

    I'm not sure if that's a bad thing tbh since they do tend to be too demanding of something that is primarily still a Sci-Fi MMO, you can't make it ''feel more trek'' then it does already, the kind of exploration people are demanding is something that Cryptic shouldn't even want to do.

    I've played another third person game called Global Agenda, that game litterally died because the devs listened too much to what the community wanted, losing any and all focus and resulting in half assed functions it shouldn't have had like open zones, they themselves even admitted that they lost focus on a specific direction for the game because everyone wanted something different and they listened.

    So yes, I much rather have Cryptic stick to their plans and take community opinion into consideration at best.

    Never forget, the moment a game stops being profitable, updates stop and player base diminishes, again, Global Agenda is a perfect example, it was no longer considered salvageable and the company pulled the plug on it's devs, causing updates to stop and in a period of probably not even 4 months, the entire game to die.

    They are speaking of a sequel in which they'll do things as they originally intended to with a focus on PvP, no open world and minimum PvE, if they stick to that it'll probably go better then the first game ever went.
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Like a previous poster said, if this game didn't have the ST licence then it wouldn't exist - so no, I wouldn't play it. ;)

    That said, the Star Trek aspects are what keeps drawing me to play the game. If that were somehow negated or removed whilst the game itself largely remained, I'm not sure I would play. I'm a trekkie first and foremost so that's why I'm here. I'm not suggesting that the core game is somehow deficient and all the Trek trappings make up for it, but I'm just not interested in playing a generic spaceship pewpew game in any other setting.
  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    probably no. but more because of the (raising) pricings on almost every toy. in my opinion prices (endo- and exo-game side) should be lowered to the 10th part to not get the feeling you're ripped (keys f.e. should be 10 for 1 buck; actually lobi-store-ships are, as long as payed with lobies = up to 200 bucks?!).
    also, because pricings are so high, expectations grow as well.
    i wouldn't be struggling with the game if the prices were lower, and mechanics remained the same (except pvp) while all skins were changed.
    ... f2p: who has the time to grind/wait for 18-24 days, to just fit out one ship with weapons for dil, no cons or other sinks like fleet-assignments included; also, why was f.e. the mvae raised that much? purchased it for 1200 c-points before f2p. guess now it's 2500?!^^...
    am a lts and for now i keep spending some money every month too. but dunno how long i'm willing to keep on. even never would have expected myself to behave as such... 250 bucks for just one game, which even keeps on to suck money?! xD... the stipend not really is worth a lot, regarding to game-pricings. i normally hate such money-sinks, but you know.... need some new trek from time to time and may would keep on playing it when there were no st-ip. it's just too expensive the way it is :rolleyes:....
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    wast33 wrote: »
    probably no. but more because of the (raising) pricings on almost every toy. in my opinion prices (endo- and exo-game side) should be lowered to the 10th part to not get the feeling you're ripped (keys f.e. should be 10 for 1 buck; actually lobi-store-ships are, as long as payed with lobies = up to 200 bucks?!).
    also, because pricings are so high, expectations grow as well.
    i wouldn't be struggling with the game if the prices were lower. (... f2p: who has the time to grind/wait for 18-24 days, to just fit out one ship with weapons for dil, no cons or other sinks like fleet-assignments included; also, why was f.e. the mvae raised that much? purchased it for 1200 c-points before f2p. guess now it's 2500?!^^...)
    am a lts and for now i keep spending some money every month too. but dunno how long i'm willing to keep on (even never would have expected myself to behave as such... 250 bucks for just one game, which even keeps on to suck money?! xD... the stipend not really is worth a lot, regarding to game-pricings. i normally hate such money-sinks, but you know.... need some new trek from time to time :rolleyes:...).

    When the game was P2P, prices didn't need to be high because every person playing was a subscriber who paid a monthly fee, I'm sure the majority of them stopped paying the fee when the game went F2P, the entire market changed.

    They could no longer rely on subscription to get the profit margin they wanted and thus the C-Store became the main source of income, that had things like raised prices and character bound purchases as a result.
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  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    When the game was P2P, prices didn't need to be high because every person playing was a subscriber who paid a monthly fee, I'm sure the majority of them stopped paying the fee when the game went F2P, the entire market changed.

    They could no longer rely on subscription to get the profit margin they wanted and thus the C-Store became the main source of income, that had things like raised prices and character bound purchases as a result.

    ...i just guess it could be possible that they sell/earn even more with lower prices in whole ;). only problem on the other hand i see, is that possibilities to get "the" gear without money also needed to be nerfed then. player-bleed-out (if there is one ^^) may could be stopped, more players could feel the fun again, not just the grind, etc...
    "microtransactions" is the keyword. and now plz tell me the pricings are "micro" for a computergame (for the price of one ship i can almost buy a whole game, without ever paying for again ^^).
    but that's more a felt opinion than an economical proper sight, and i'm aware of your points ;)...
    but the economics at pwe may should think about short-time-money vs. long-term-playerbase.
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    yes. probably not quite as much, but i find the game to be fun, so i would still find it fun if it was not start trek.

    the history and lore of the different races from the tv shows would be gone but that would just mean that i have new races and histories to get to know. there would still be ships and cool items to collect. again they wont be iconic as before but that wont make the ships look any less cool.

    if anything not being called star trek would free the game up from half the trivial complaints of what is and is not canon, or how the feds should or should not act.

    the only thing is i might find the foundry less enjoyable as that allows me to explore the star trek universe. im not sure if id be as interested in it without it, but again there would be more freedom to branch out. so its swings and roundabouts.
  • dman1701nccdman1701ncc Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    badaabadin wrote: »
    question not a comment.
    No I would not. In fact I stopped playing the game shortly after F2P went up. I was already turned off by the lock boxes last Christmas and only grew more so since. My chief complaint with the game back then (actually half a year or so before) was there was nothing to do in the game aside from grind.

    I've recently come back and rolled a new toon. In a seriously short amount of time I've covered at least half the distance (play wise) with this toon as it took my first two to reach. There really is nothing new to do but grind once you get through the leveling up. This is a fact. I have encountered the same bugs I did in BETA. Last night I ran an exploration mission and all my away team did not make it there with me. Then I kept getting killed by ground forces that were located magically inside a hill. I could not see them or harm them, but they could kill me. Then when I re spawned I had my away team, but we still were being attacked unseen in a hill where we could not attack them. This happened to me three times on three different exploration missions. Just like back in BETA. Yes I was ready for this game and on the mailing list for it when Perpetual announced it. I'm both a VET and LFS. Heading into the 3rd anniversary of the game with the same bugs that have been here all along? While lockboxes and new ships to grind with are on offer and the priority? To grind more? For what? New STUFF to do the same old stuff with? Grind? As I was told by condescending poster after poster, this is what MMOs are at high levels!

    Guess what? I agree. I have come to learn that I don't care for MMOs. While I was away I played all three Mass Effect games and a few others. I enjoyed them and found them far superior to this game, outside of the Trek factor. For me it comes down to what do I want to spend my money on? Turns out it is not MMOs and this one is the one that taught me that. I bought pretty much everything in the C-Store prior to last Christmas, I don't mind spending money. This game just wants my money, for literally EVERYTHING, with very little return as I don't count doing the same things over and over and over, just in different clothes and using different weapons and slightly different versions of ships.

    So I am "poisoned" against MMOs now you could say. I see nothing about season 7 that promises anything new. By new I mean new Trek like stuff to do. New as in new missions and STORY. Sure the foundry has some fun stuff to do, but what does it accomplish STORY WISE and advancement in a continuing game wise? Nothing?

    So NO if it were not for the Trek name I would not be here now. I hope I am wrong about season 7. I have a lot of unspent stipend points to use. IMO this game is a money grab that does not deliver anymore for the money spent on it. Since I literally am still encountering the same kind of bugs I did three years ago, while they roll out money grab after money grab? I'll just spend no more on it, and see how long it takes to make VA with my new toon. At which point I can do what? Spend more money to do more of the same, grind grind grind. Just in new maps. Should be there (VA) very shortly. IMO all that is offered by STO now is more grinding and more chances to buy stuff to do the same things, or variations of the same things over and over again. I have not spent a penny on a lockbox of any kind and won't. Not because don't mind supporting good games I really enjoy and want to play more of. I've spent hundreds of dollars on this game (outside my LFS) and used to do so gladly to support it. Because it was a Trek game. It is not so to me now.

    Star Trek and gambling used to be relegated to Quarks. Now I am supposed to spend money and "gamble" on a game? Why? I sure as hell won't have anything to show for it in the real world. In the STO world it is so I can do the same kind of thing, over and over and over. And I understand some folks like that. Not me. So no is my answer to the thread topic.
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  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    No I would not. In fact I stopped playing the game shortly after F2P went up. I was already turned off by the lock boxes last Christmas and only grew more so since. My chief complaint with the game back then (actually half a year or so before) was there was nothing to do in the game aside from grind.

    I've recently come back and rolled a new toon. In a seriously short amount of time I've covered at least half the distance (play wise) with this toon as it took my first two to reach. There really is nothing new to do but grind once you get through the leveling up. This is a fact. I have encountered the same bugs I did in BETA. Last night I ran an exploration mission and all my away team did not make it there with me. Then I kept getting killed by ground forces that were located magically inside a hill. I could not see them or harm them, but they could kill me. Then when I re spawned I had my away team, but we still were being attacked unseen in a hill where we could not attack them. This happened to me three times on three different exploration missions. Just like back in BETA. Yes I was ready for this game and on the mailing list for it when Perpetual announced it. I'm both a VET and LFS. Heading into the 3rd anniversary of the game with the same bugs that have been here all along? While lockboxes and new ships to grind with are on offer and the priority? To grind more? For what? New STUFF to do the same old stuff with? Grind? As I was told by condescending poster after poster, this is what MMOs are at high levels!

    Guess what? I agree. I have come to learn that I don't care for MMOs. While I was away I played all three Mass Effect games and a few others. I enjoyed them and found them far superior to this game, outside of the Trek factor. For me it comes down to what do I want to spend my money on? Turns out it is not MMOs and this one is the one that taught me that. I bought pretty much everything in the C-Store prior to last Christmas, I don't mind spending money. This game just wants my money, for literally EVERYTHING, with very little return as I don't count doing the same things over and over and over, just in different clothes and using different weapons and slightly different versions of ships.

    So I am "poisoned" against MMOs now you could say. I see nothing about season 7 that promises anything new. By new I mean new Trek like stuff to do. New as in new missions and STORY. Sure the foundry has some fun stuff to do, but what does it accomplish STORY WISE and advancement in a continuing game wise? Nothing?

    So NO if it were not for the Trek name I would not be here now. I hope I am wrong about season 7. I have a lot of unspent stipend points to use. IMO this game is a money grab that does not deliver anymore for the money spent on it. Since I literally am still encountering the same kind of bugs I did three years ago, while they roll out money grab after money grab? I'll just spend no more on it, and see how long it takes to make VA with my new toon. At which point I can do what? Spend more money to do more of the same, grind grind grind. Just in new maps. Should be there (VA) very shortly. IMO all that is offered by STO now is more grinding and more chances to buy stuff to do the same things, or variations of the same things over and over again. I have not spent a penny on a lockbox of any kind and won't. Not because don't mind supporting good games I really enjoy and want to play more of. I've spent hundreds of dollars on this game (outside my LFS) and used to do so gladly to support it. Because it was a Trek game. It is not so to me now.

    Star Trek and gambling used to be relegated to Quarks. Now I am supposed to spend money and "gamble" on a game? Why? I sure as hell won't have anything to show for it in the real world. In the STO world it is so I can do the same kind of thing, over and over and over. And I understand some folks like that. Not me. So no is my answer to the thread topic.

    Ehh yeah, I do conclude from your post that MMO's are not for you.

    MMO's are exactly what Cryptic is providing us with, grind like content, STF's are fun to me, because I am an MMO oriented player, they likely aren't for you.

    The new Tholian stuff on Nukara (which I admit I barely played) and the new Romulan stuff as well are things MMO players look forward to because it's new stuff to do, that is also the downside for STO I guess.

    STO hasn't really attracted the real MMO players as much as it attracted Trekkies looking to fill their daily Trek needs, those same Trekkies are the ones constantly talking about ''it needs to feel more Trek''.

    For me, I am an MMO player who always had a mild interest in Star Trek, I never really avidly followed it myself but saw it every once in a while when the rest of the family was watching it, so for me as both it made sense to play this game when it went F2P.
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  • sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    hello no i would have quit after a few lvls much better games out there and ones that dont cost a bloody fortune to play.

    im only here cus its star trek im still here cus its star trek.

    elite isnt hard at all u get very poor rewards for completing stuff and now its a grindfest if u want to have anything of worth. not to mention the epsiodes have dryed up and not much content or equal factions the kdf are treated like the ginger kid no one wants to know.
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    Nope...

    Only reason I tried it to begin with, is the Trek Banner.

    Agree with these, nope, I'd have bailed with everyone else when this game initially died off in 2011 from neglect. I consider Season 5/F2P this game's heart transplant and now it's just on borrowed time.
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  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    No, I would not.
  • captaintrueheartcaptaintrueheart Member Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    No... not even a remote chance....

    I'm a passionate Star Trek fan, I like the mission content find all this MMO-ism TRIBBLE takes away from the fun of the game.

    I would much prefer the game to have been developed along the lines of Fallout... with regular downloadable content to add new missions, etc. I think it Star Trek would be much better suited as a single player game with a heavy focus on story and exploration than a shoot n grind with 5 other players MMO.

    Though for now at least I can get my ST fix and keep on grindin'
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I prolly wouldn't. I'm more of a FPS kinda guy and tho this game has some interesting aspects it simply doesn't have what I look for in a game:
    1. PvP
    2. good space combat (MS Flight simulator has better 3d flight combat)
    3. ground combat (like MoH, CoD)

    I DO like the economy, DOFF system and customization aspects of STO, but being my first MMO I suspect my expectations were a bit too high.
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  • dant158#3249 dant158 Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Not a snowballs chance in hell!

    Oh wait, I'm already not playing at the minute :P

    Is there any chance I would have stuck around as long as i did, if the Trek IP wasn't attached?

    Not a snowballs chance in hell!
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  • thisisoverlordthisisoverlord Member Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Simply put;

    No.
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  • cerritourugcerritourug Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Not even drunk.
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  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Were it not for the Star Trek IP, I would never have bothered to play it as I really don't care for superhero type games and that's all that Cryptic makes - CoH, CoV, CO and NW. They've taken their expertise with superhero games and made a "superheros-in-space" using the ST IP License.

    I seriously doubt that Cryptic Studios can take STO and make it into something that lasts more than a few years.

    Were it not for my interest in ST, I would have never devoted the financial resources towards my entertainment that I have over the last almost 3 years.
  • joxertm2joxertm2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    With or without the license, I'll probably soon quit it.
    Should I mention I've actually planned to go LTS in the beginning when I didn't actually know much about the game?

    But very soon, instead of getting fun, I got only annoyed with things.
    The gambling systems in every single aspect of the game are more than despicable, ages old bugs are still not fixed and above everything too many things were poorly designed in the first place and are not changing in the next season.
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